So every six second you are getting over 18K shield back? Lets say its 18K for the sake of simplicity.That is merely 60 times a shield regen of 300 every six seconds (Please someone correct me if I'm wrong here?) surely that is not OP?
To me its clear, this is classic Cryptic bungling. Who wants to bet they just forgot to put in the internal CD on the proc, or that the CD has a few decimal points off?
Even Cryptic tends to fix these types of mistakes right away instead of letting them fester for weeks. I can only assume they putting this as a lower priority compared to other bugs that prevent gameplay instead of merely borking PvP and PvE competitive events.
Those arguing for a change due to the "competitive" fleet actions are misdirecting their energy. Focus it on getting the "competitive" fleet actions changed instead, the DPS/HPS scoreboard was and still is a stupid idea for something which should be corporative, especially the Crystaline Entity.
Those arguing for a change due to the "competitive" fleet actions are misdirecting their energy. Focus it on getting the "competitive" fleet actions changed instead, the DPS/HPS scoreboard was and still is a stupid idea for something which should be corporative, especially the Crystaline Entity.
They are just bad players who want to ruin what people bought for hard earned money.
Its so laughable because the only event where you NEED shield healing are elite stfs. Even there, team mates being alive more should not be a problem. But I guess some people have so big egos that they need to whine on forums if they are not the ones who single handedly win every stf with all of the other 4 team members dead.
If your shields drop in any other event while you are using 100 weapon power base setting, you are doing it wrong.
No amount of tailored excel statistics will change that.
I would make it banned to nerf something people actually bought. It is a very bad business decision for a free to play game to take away things people payed for.
Nerf the console? Offer a refund or dont do it.
Let us wear Swimsuits on Foundry maps or bridges please! I would pay zen for that.
To me its clear, this is classic Cryptic bungling. Who wants to bet they just forgot to put in the internal CD on the proc, or that the CD has a few decimal points off?
Im pretty sure they imagine numbers and put them in game with no idea why.Ive yet to see why its 200% and not 100% or 50 or 400....its 200% just because you have to heal twice your damage.They should put 10,000% .
Im pretty sure they imagine numbers and put them in game with no idea why.Ive yet to see why its 200% and not 100% or 50 or 400....its 200% just because you have to heal twice your damage.They should put 10,000% .
Its because this is a totally random heal. It may happen in a row for five seconds, or it may never happen in five minutes. :rolleyes:
And Cryptic would be a fool to nerf Cstore items. Who would buy from there if the items from it got constantly downgraded? Nobody.
The self entitlement of people here is so overdosed, its funny.
Do people in real life go to the goverment and order them to knock down their neighbour's fence just because its prettier then theirs?
Of course not.
Let us wear Swimsuits on Foundry maps or bridges please! I would pay zen for that.
Its because this is a totally random heal. It may happen in a row for five seconds, or it may never happen in five minutes. :rolleyes:
And Cryptic would be a fool to nerf Cstore items. Who would buy from there if the items from it got constantly downgraded? Nobody.
random is not all the time.That heal is all the time in game.
the people who bought items which were nerfed before will continue to buy their sheets and hope one day they will fire the guy who keeps adding untested stuffs in game and make people complain on the forums .
And these are just the results from someone with a below average DPS of 2500. I've posted this image over and over again in this thread and in the other one in the PvP forum. Still the people defending the console either ignore it or claim it's fabricated. The amount of ignorance some people show here is just astonishing.
random is not all the time.That heal is all the time in game.
the people who bought items which were nerfed before will continue to buy their sheets and hope one day they will fire the guy who keeps adding untested stuffs in game and make people complain on the forums .
I am afraid that is totally untrue.
I once gone without a heal from it for two minutes with a T'Varo, 3 rear turrets, 2 dhcs and 1 dual beam bank front.
Tip: I dont care about PVP. It only ruins my PVE. Its an annoyance to me. But that is a personal opinion.
Let us wear Swimsuits on Foundry maps or bridges please! I would pay zen for that.
defiant 3 romulan tac boffs for more crtH = more dps
andorian escorts = more dps
yep you are a pro *facepalm*
btw when (probably next patch ) this console will get nerfed Ill laugh at you KirK roleplayers who need broken stuffs because you dont know how to heal your ships .
I d start with science ships .They need a nerf since you will always see 3 science ships in a premade not 3 escorts and buff the bug ship or give it a universal console like all lockbox ships have or c store ships have.
you drozana roleplayers are funny.
Childish insults are always used when ones arguments have failed. You should go do some RP at Drozana and leave the discussion to grownups. Or maybe go to sleep its probably past your bedtime anyway.
Childish insults are always used when ones arguments have failed. You should go do some RP at Drozana and leave the discussion to grownups. Or maybe go to sleep its probably past your bedtime anyway.
I see you want to talk about anything but the topic.You talk about bug ships ,you talk about people's toons and their colour,you insult people by saying roleplaying is a insult ...you must be trolling here just to stop people give feedback about broken items in game.
I see you want to talk about anything but the topic.You talk about bug ships ,you talk about people's toons and their colour,you insult people by saying roleplaying is a insult ...you must be trolling here just to stop people give feedback about broken items in game.
As the devs said and all pvp'ers (as in not roleplayers like you) the game is not and will never be for 1 vs 1 .Defiant has cloak and can do alpha strikes,Steamrunner is very tanky and you dont know what you are talking about.
you get more heals (alot more) than a dedicated healer....yep thats random for you *facepalm*
You accuse people of what you do yourself.
Let us wear Swimsuits on Foundry maps or bridges please! I would pay zen for that.
I see you want to talk about anything but the topic.You talk about bug ships ,you talk about people's toons and their colour,you insult people by saying roleplaying is a insult ...you must be trolling here just to stop people give feedback about broken items in game.
Obviously the topic is far beyond your ability to comprehend, hence why you were the one calling people Drozana RPers instead of staying on topic. Thus there is no point in further discussing this with you or for anyone to continue to read your posts.
He either can't read or deliberately misunderstood you, he thought you were talking about his post about roleplaying when you quoted his post about him talking about other ships then him later accusing me of changing the topic by bringing the bugship up.
Childish insults are always used when ones arguments have failed. You should go do some RP at Drozana and leave the discussion to grownups. Or maybe go to sleep its probably past your bedtime anyway.
I d start with science ships .They need a nerf since you will always see 3 science ships in a premade not 3 escorts and buff the bug ship or give it a universal console like all lockbox ships have or c store ships have.
With this statement right here you just lost any credibility on any topic on the STO forums, if you had any to begin with.
you quoted a post without my quote to see that was an answer .Trolling is against the forum rules btw but I think they make an exception with you because you keep the topics alive and full of nonsense.
Buffing the bug ship wouldn't be very logical but it is no longer the best escort in the game with that battle cloak rommie fleet escort.
I never said anything about the JHAS being the best ship or escort in game.
I was simply refering to the statement that the JHAS needs to be buffed while science ships should be nerfed which is the most ignorant thing I've read lately.
you dont know what "credibility" means but you heard the word on TV and now you use it everywhere.
Good luck trying to involve me in your trolling, which by the statement I quoted in my previous reply I'm certain is what you're doing. It might surprise you, but there are actually intelligent people on the forum.
Therefore, I'm done with you, I just wanted to congratulate you for the biggest nonsence I've read here in quite a while.
And escort sitting static facing the Crystal Entity - Firing CRF continuously at the entity.
only 1 shield facing taking any damge.
The healing goes on all 4 shield facing - all four!!
So what does that mean - 3/4 of this was TOTALLY wasted shield heal - maybe not as far as points for this 1 event - but for all other events and practical purposes - it's wasted.
AND it was more than 3/4 wasted because if there was no hits on shield for several seconds of CRF the players front shield was a full strengh - getting healed = wasted
Bottom line: this number ONLY matters in this event as 80%+ of this number WAS WASTED!
you cut that out and this players shield heal is right down with the rest.
How do I know - I have done it. Every time - every single 1 - that I have done CE in my Fleet Mogai I have gotten 1st place.
Easy fix: take shield healing out of this events point calculation - it becomes a pure DPS event just like every other PvE.
Stop trying to make this consoles problem about PvE.
This console BENEFITS 90% of PvE players - who are A) to lazy or b) to fixed for time - to bother making themselves and their ships/builds better.
I see Mogais and others in ESTF with this console still popping like popcorn.
THIS IS NOT A PvE issue!
This console is very helpful to bad players(75%+) of the games playerbase.
However - situationally in a escort this console CAN BE - super OP - ANYTHING - console/ship/weapon that is powerful in PvE is going to be super dupper OP in PvP - hence the problem.
How do you make a console that really helps the 80% of the playerbase who blows up just by Qing an ESTF - but not make it into a monster OP console for PvP - you can't.
This is a nasty situation because if they take this crutch away there is going to be lots of ragefest. I expect the boards to light up with how hard and how many failures of pug events are going on.
And escort sitting static facing the Crystal Entity - Firing CRF continuously at the entity.
only 1 shield facing taking any damge.
The healing goes on all 4 shield facing - all four!!
So what does that mean - 3/4 of this was TOTALLY wasted shield heal - maybe not as far as points for this 1 event - but for all other events and practical purposes - it's wasted.
AND it was more than 3/4 wasted because if there was no hits on shield for several seconds of CRF the players front shield was a full strengh - getting healed = wasted
For the love of starfleet, even spill over shield isn't an excuse to argue the console isn't overpowered. It means the SPILLOVER is massively healing it is POTENTIAL healing, if you lose shield, then it's INSTANTLY back up. Unused shield heal is still relevant, it shows just how much the console IS healing and can POTENTIALLY heal.
I grow tired of explaining this, it is pure common sense.
Denying that the console isnt mass healing someone simply because a lot of it went over the cap... is really just an attempt at a self serving need to keep the console as is.
For the love of starfleet, even spill over shield isn't an excuse to argue the console isn't overpowered. It means the SPILLOVER is massively healing it is POTENTIAL healing, if you lose shield, then it's INSTANTLY back up. Unused shield heal is still relevant, it shows just how much the console IS healing and can POTENTIALLY heal.
I grow tired of explaining this, it is pure common sense.
Denying that the console isnt mass healing someone simply because a lot of it went over the cap... is really just an attempt at a self serving need to keep the console as is.
If you kept reading you would see that I admit that in a CRFing escort in PvP this becomes an super OP problem.
However, in PvE this console is more help to casual players than hindrence - bottom line.
And it won't do anything to me if they remove the console - I have blown through 2000+ ESFT without it - 9/10 not dying once - but most players are not like that.
I can also tell you that if I were to Decloak Alpha Strike someone with this console in PvP while they were not shooting someone and they were not able to hit TT/RSP - they will still go BOOM!
I can also tell you that if I were to Decloak Alpha Strike someone with this console in PvP while they were not shooting someone and they were not able to hit TT/RSP - they will still go BOOM!
Not the first person to point this or other strategies out, but they will keep crying until they see some change.
Not the first person to point this or other strategies out, but they will keep crying until they see some change.
It's because most of the hardcore PvPers get their jollies from blowing people up in a few seconds and moving on to the next person to blow up as quickly as possible - anything that causes them to take longer than 3 seconds to kill someone they start ranting and raving - smashing keyboards in rage - perhaps logitech has also made some money out of this console:eek:
Make no mistake - this entire thread is a veiled attempt to make this look like a PvE issue instead of what it is: a PvP issue.
That is the only reason I comment here as a PvP player as well - I don't like when someone tries to hide an issue under something that it is not.
As far as PvP goes this console DOES cause some issues - forces new tactics - slows things down - makes some players/teams almost untouchable and many players last longer than they would otherwise.
It DOES NOT - however - prevent a good player from getting kills - even against players with this console - it just takes more work - hence the rage.
However, in PvE this console is more help to casual players than hindrence - bottom line.
I don't know about you, but I don't play games to pander to casual players need to stay alive. I play to find a challenge. I don't care if the casual players get run over by a more experienced player. If you keep babying the casual players the game will get really boring really fast.
I don't know about you, but I don't play games to pander to casual players need to stay alive. I play to find a challenge. I don't care if the casual players get run over by a more experienced player. If you keep babying the casual players the game will get really boring really fast.
Are you playing STO? It is well know this is a game geared to casual players - Cryptic loves them - and a high turnover rate where people will come in spend lots of money and play a little here and there and come back when/if they can - buy some more.
Cryptic is not that interested in the hardcore players - they want money money money - and that come from the casuals - they buy lots of toys and play around a bit - but not enough to get any good with those toys.
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So every six second you are getting over 18K shield back? Lets say its 18K for the sake of simplicity.That is merely 60 times a shield regen of 300 every six seconds (Please someone correct me if I'm wrong here?) surely that is not OP?
To me its clear, this is classic Cryptic bungling. Who wants to bet they just forgot to put in the internal CD on the proc, or that the CD has a few decimal points off?
Even Cryptic tends to fix these types of mistakes right away instead of letting them fester for weeks. I can only assume they putting this as a lower priority compared to other bugs that prevent gameplay instead of merely borking PvP and PvE competitive events.
They are just bad players who want to ruin what people bought for hard earned money.
Its so laughable because the only event where you NEED shield healing are elite stfs. Even there, team mates being alive more should not be a problem. But I guess some people have so big egos that they need to whine on forums if they are not the ones who single handedly win every stf with all of the other 4 team members dead.
If your shields drop in any other event while you are using 100 weapon power base setting, you are doing it wrong.
No amount of tailored excel statistics will change that.
I would make it banned to nerf something people actually bought. It is a very bad business decision for a free to play game to take away things people payed for.
Nerf the console? Offer a refund or dont do it.
Im pretty sure they imagine numbers and put them in game with no idea why.Ive yet to see why its 200% and not 100% or 50 or 400....its 200% just because you have to heal twice your damage.They should put 10,000% .
Its because this is a totally random heal. It may happen in a row for five seconds, or it may never happen in five minutes. :rolleyes:
And Cryptic would be a fool to nerf Cstore items. Who would buy from there if the items from it got constantly downgraded? Nobody.
The self entitlement of people here is so overdosed, its funny.
Do people in real life go to the goverment and order them to knock down their neighbour's fence just because its prettier then theirs?
Of course not.
random is not all the time.That heal is all the time in game.
the people who bought items which were nerfed before will continue to buy their sheets and hope one day they will fire the guy who keeps adding untested stuffs in game and make people complain on the forums .
And these are just the results from someone with a below average DPS of 2500. I've posted this image over and over again in this thread and in the other one in the PvP forum. Still the people defending the console either ignore it or claim it's fabricated. The amount of ignorance some people show here is just astonishing.
I am afraid that is totally untrue.
I once gone without a heal from it for two minutes with a T'Varo, 3 rear turrets, 2 dhcs and 1 dual beam bank front.
Tip: I dont care about PVP. It only ruins my PVE. Its an annoyance to me. But that is a personal opinion.
maybe if youd fire your weapons you would see that works .
so not having godmode in pve is considered bad?They should add a godmode command for pve so you wont need to spend 1000zen or any zen at all.
The turrets were firing all the time. The front weapons... around 75-60% of the time.
:rolleyes:
Oh, and its "Maybe if you would fire your weapons, you would see that it works."
Childish insults are always used when ones arguments have failed. You should go do some RP at Drozana and leave the discussion to grownups. Or maybe go to sleep its probably past your bedtime anyway.
I see you want to talk about anything but the topic.You talk about bug ships ,you talk about people's toons and their colour,you insult people by saying roleplaying is a insult ...you must be trolling here just to stop people give feedback about broken items in game.
You accuse people of what you do yourself.
Obviously the topic is far beyond your ability to comprehend, hence why you were the one calling people Drozana RPers instead of staying on topic. Thus there is no point in further discussing this with you or for anyone to continue to read your posts.
being a roleplayer is not an insult .You people really like to troll and twist words.
I did not insult you. I only quoted your posts.
He either can't read or deliberately misunderstood you, he thought you were talking about his post about roleplaying when you quoted his post about him talking about other ships then him later accusing me of changing the topic by bringing the bugship up.
So when you lose an argument you turn to name calling?
Hypocrisy must be your middle name.
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With this statement right here you just lost any credibility on any topic on the STO forums, if you had any to begin with.
Congratulations!
Buffing the bug ship wouldn't be very logical
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you dont know what "credibility" means but you heard the word on TV and now you use it everywhere.
you quoted a post without my quote to see that was an answer .Trolling is against the forum rules btw but I think they make an exception with you because you keep the topics alive and full of nonsense.
I never said anything about the JHAS being the best ship or escort in game.
I was simply refering to the statement that the JHAS needs to be buffed while science ships should be nerfed which is the most ignorant thing I've read lately.
Good luck trying to involve me in your trolling, which by the statement I quoted in my previous reply I'm certain is what you're doing. It might surprise you, but there are actually intelligent people on the forum.
Therefore, I'm done with you, I just wanted to congratulate you for the biggest nonsence I've read here in quite a while.
Let's give some context to this number:
And escort sitting static facing the Crystal Entity - Firing CRF continuously at the entity.
only 1 shield facing taking any damge.
The healing goes on all 4 shield facing - all four!!
So what does that mean - 3/4 of this was TOTALLY wasted shield heal - maybe not as far as points for this 1 event - but for all other events and practical purposes - it's wasted.
AND it was more than 3/4 wasted because if there was no hits on shield for several seconds of CRF the players front shield was a full strengh - getting healed = wasted
Bottom line: this number ONLY matters in this event as 80%+ of this number WAS WASTED!
you cut that out and this players shield heal is right down with the rest.
How do I know - I have done it. Every time - every single 1 - that I have done CE in my Fleet Mogai I have gotten 1st place.
Easy fix: take shield healing out of this events point calculation - it becomes a pure DPS event just like every other PvE.
Stop trying to make this consoles problem about PvE.
This console BENEFITS 90% of PvE players - who are A) to lazy or b) to fixed for time - to bother making themselves and their ships/builds better.
I see Mogais and others in ESTF with this console still popping like popcorn.
THIS IS NOT A PvE issue!
This console is very helpful to bad players(75%+) of the games playerbase.
However - situationally in a escort this console CAN BE - super OP - ANYTHING - console/ship/weapon that is powerful in PvE is going to be super dupper OP in PvP - hence the problem.
How do you make a console that really helps the 80% of the playerbase who blows up just by Qing an ESTF - but not make it into a monster OP console for PvP - you can't.
This is a nasty situation because if they take this crutch away there is going to be lots of ragefest. I expect the boards to light up with how hard and how many failures of pug events are going on.
For the love of starfleet, even spill over shield isn't an excuse to argue the console isn't overpowered. It means the SPILLOVER is massively healing it is POTENTIAL healing, if you lose shield, then it's INSTANTLY back up. Unused shield heal is still relevant, it shows just how much the console IS healing and can POTENTIALLY heal.
I grow tired of explaining this, it is pure common sense.
Denying that the console isnt mass healing someone simply because a lot of it went over the cap... is really just an attempt at a self serving need to keep the console as is.
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If you kept reading you would see that I admit that in a CRFing escort in PvP this becomes an super OP problem.
However, in PvE this console is more help to casual players than hindrence - bottom line.
And it won't do anything to me if they remove the console - I have blown through 2000+ ESFT without it - 9/10 not dying once - but most players are not like that.
I can also tell you that if I were to Decloak Alpha Strike someone with this console in PvP while they were not shooting someone and they were not able to hit TT/RSP - they will still go BOOM!
Not the first person to point this or other strategies out, but they will keep crying until they see some change.
It's because most of the hardcore PvPers get their jollies from blowing people up in a few seconds and moving on to the next person to blow up as quickly as possible - anything that causes them to take longer than 3 seconds to kill someone they start ranting and raving - smashing keyboards in rage - perhaps logitech has also made some money out of this console:eek:
Make no mistake - this entire thread is a veiled attempt to make this look like a PvE issue instead of what it is: a PvP issue.
That is the only reason I comment here as a PvP player as well - I don't like when someone tries to hide an issue under something that it is not.
As far as PvP goes this console DOES cause some issues - forces new tactics - slows things down - makes some players/teams almost untouchable and many players last longer than they would otherwise.
It DOES NOT - however - prevent a good player from getting kills - even against players with this console - it just takes more work - hence the rage.
I don't know about you, but I don't play games to pander to casual players need to stay alive. I play to find a challenge. I don't care if the casual players get run over by a more experienced player. If you keep babying the casual players the game will get really boring really fast.
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Good god, get over the ego trip. Youve died, everyone gets invisitorped from time to time.
Youre not a better player than anyone else, can it.
Also, implying not dying in a video game with no real penalty for death is some kind of achievement?
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Are you playing STO? It is well know this is a game geared to casual players - Cryptic loves them - and a high turnover rate where people will come in spend lots of money and play a little here and there and come back when/if they can - buy some more.
Cryptic is not that interested in the hardcore players - they want money money money - and that come from the casuals - they buy lots of toys and play around a bit - but not enough to get any good with those toys.