Here we go again, PvP complaints. Ruining the game for all others one skill or console at a time because of lack of gaming skills. The worst part is the devs always seem to cave into the wining of a small segment of the people who play the game.
JHAS being the best hands down escort, the galaxy and negh'var being awful, also doesn't make sense in canon, tricobalts being weaker than photons also don't make sense in canon, in fact, much of this game doesn't make sense in canon.
Actually I consider that new romulan tier 5 fleet escort, the best escort. The Fleet Ha'feh.
Even if that is the case, a full shield heal every few seconds is what it boils down to.
These people claiming its not working that way are either: A. Lying to spread disinfo to prevent a nerf, or B. Not using cannons to test.
I really wish i seen this magical full shield heal when im using my valdore with 3 DHC's and 2 turrets when im cannon rapidfireing a tac cube... but i have yet to see any of this OP happen....
Actually I consider that new romulan tier 5 fleet escort, the best escort. The Fleet Ha'feh.[/QUOTE]
Those are going to be insane once people get them repped and capped out with gear and everything
Mine (just the free one you get at 40) already can rival my fleet advanced in terms of raw dps output (im sure the romulan boffs and the crit, and the sing overcharge factors heavily there) with only mk xi blues. Not to mention the cloak and turn rate making it quite a nimble little fat pigeon of a ship. Yes I said pigeon, cause it looks like one.
HaFeh is gonna be the new JHAS, i can almost guarantee it.
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We all know this is really about pvp given the OP's fleet. Well in PVP even though this shows ridiculous healing numbers, a lot of it is wasted on full shield facings. What is more out of control in pvp is the ridicoulous healing and resists a Recluse or Wells can put on someone and themselves. Mogai console doesn't give any shield resists, but these 2 other ships in addition to their ridiculous high shield modifiers can run EPTS3, TSS3, extends 3 or2.Then they get more hull and 2 hangars in case of the recluse, or more manuverability and temporal cheese in case of the wells. You will never see him comlain about that though since their and most other premades rely on these ships which are actually overpowered compared to the Mogai and its consoles.
Nerf the Recluse and Wells and its consoles, not the Valdore console.
Actually I consider that new romulan tier 5 fleet escort, the best escort. The Fleet Ha'feh.
Those are going to be insane once people get them repped and capped out with gear and everything
Mine (just the free one you get at 40) already can rival my fleet advanced in terms of raw dps output (im sure the romulan boffs and the crit, and the sing overcharge factors heavily there) with only mk xi blues. Not to mention the cloak and turn rate making it quite a nimble little fat pigeon of a ship. Yes I said pigeon, cause it looks like one.
HaFeh is gonna be the new JHAS, i can almost guarantee it.
Yeah it's going to be scary, surprised they didn't throw on the advanced battle cloak while they were at it.
RIGHT Because everyone is going to drop their main char, to start a new faction in which they have nothing. You've got it figured out.
most pvper's are quite rich ingame, if i can afford getting my new rom char full MK XII gear, i'm pretty sure our "steemed" PvPers in this thread with JHAS, wells, recluses and etc can too, and most of them are in fleets with T5 shipyards, or can get in one and buy a ship.
most pvper's are quite rich ingame, if i can afford getting my new rom char full MK XII gear, i'm pretty sure our "steemed" PvPers in this thread with JHAS, wells, recluses and etc can too, and most of them are in fleets with T5 shipyards, or can get in one and buy a ship.
Considering how many Ha'Fehs i see in pvp on a daily basis... people already are playing them quite heavily. Rep also takes a few weeks to grind out, im sure tier 5 isnt far off now, and then we will see the capped ones.
Also playing a rom is a little bit of a new concept for most, the extra abilities make for a whole new dimension of strategy, im sure pro pvpers are practicing that on their own before they start trying to pwn everyone in srs bsns premades.
Just the fact that a level 5 singularity overcharge is about as powerful as attack pattern alpha probably took some getting used to for many, to be able to pretty much chain alpha strikes isnt something most are used to, im sure.
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most pvper's are quite rich ingame, if i can afford getting my new rom char full MK XII gear, i'm pretty sure our "steemed" PvPers in this thread with JHAS, wells, recluses and etc can too, and most of them are in fleets with T5 shipyards, or can get in one and buy a ship.
You know, just because you play alts, doesn't mean other people do. Just because you want to play romulan doesn't mean other people do. As a matter of fact, I've played the SAME char since pre-opening and I'm not going to drop it because of some overpowered console or shiny ship on another faction a dev let slip in.
I have a great deal of items, progress and time spent on my char and don't give me that "oh 10 billion ec in gear is easy to replace" nonsense.
Actually I consider that new romulan tier 5 fleet escort, the best escort. The Fleet Ha'feh.
Those are going to be insane once people get them repped and capped out with gear and everything
Mine (just the free one you get at 40) already can rival my fleet advanced in terms of raw dps output (im sure the romulan boffs and the crit, and the sing overcharge factors heavily there) with only mk xi blues. Not to mention the cloak and turn rate making it quite a nimble little fat pigeon of a ship. Yes I said pigeon, cause it looks like one.
HaFeh is gonna be the new JHAS, i can almost guarantee it.
I don't think the flexibility of a LtC uni over a Lt uni makes up for the 30 inertia difference with the Fleet Dhelan. Ha'feh is 40, that's Nebula acceleration. I'm a fan of the big girls on ice skates, but I don't think that something that handles like a battle cruiser will end up being the next JHAS.
My only comment on topic is /combatlog 1. Maybe you have the console, maybe you don't, but take an evening of your playtime in the public queues and log every run. Download a parser and just take a look. It will show you everybody in the game with you.
_______________ CommanderDonatra@Capt.Sisko: ahhh is it supposed to do that? Norvo Tigan@dontdrunkimshoot: hell ya, maybe
You know, just because you play alts, doesn't mean other people do. Just because you want to play romulan doesn't mean other people do. As a matter of fact, I've played the SAME char since pre-opening and I'm not going to drop it because of some overpowered console or shiny ship on another faction a dev let slip in.
I have a great deal of items, progress and time spent on my char and don't give me that "oh 10 billion ec in gear is easy to replace" nonsense.
please, most pvpvers have alts, i find VERY hard to believe that people who play this game for like you said "since beta" don't have at least a few alts, and considering the ridiculous large number of people playing romulans, i'm pretty sure at least some are pvpers.
My only comment on topic is /combatlog 1. Maybe you have the console, maybe you don't, but take an evening of your playtime in the public queues and log every run. Download a parser and just take a look. It will show you everybody in the game with you.
People have done this already and it shows exactly why this console is overpowered.
please, most pvpvers have alts, i find VERY hard to believe that people who play this game for like you said "since beta" don't have at least a few alts, and considering the ridiculous large number of people playing romulans, i'm pretty sure at least some are pvpers.
maybe you don't, but most do.
so you have to play 2000 toons because you decide how each person plays the game?
Here we go again, PvP complaints. Ruining the game for all others one skill or console at a time because of lack of gaming skills. The worst part is the devs always seem to cave into the wining of a small segment of the people who play the game.
I agree with the other person that posted earlier. Every time something gets nerfed in this game, it breaks things more than what it fixes.
at least you are full of skill and need a console that makes escorts heal better than dedicated healers.
Im so going to laugh at you people when they will nerf the console .You will PvE QQ all over the place after your broken 1000zen sheet.
I have the Valore, and have the console slotted (still leveling), I am not "invincible"... the proc hits randomly (be it when my shields are at 100% or 5%).
As far as the loggers go, its picking up heal amount, not actually heal delivered/used. That would be a more telling number.
You are correct, most of those heals are wasted, this console is far from overpowered, I don't even bother using it on ships other then my Fleet Mogai for the 2 piece set. Shield resists are what is actually overpowered in this game, something the Mogai isn't best at stacking, and its console doesn't help with at all.
Shield resist stacking doesn't show up as heals so won't seem absurd since it just prevents so much damage from being dealt in the first place, and reduces the heals the Mogai console does. It's people like the OP and his fleet that abuse this shield resist stacking the most with overpowered ships that can run Cmdr and lt Cmdr eng and lt Cmdr and ensign sci like the Recluse and use it to stack shield resists absurdly high and they don't want anything that is even remoteley able to compete with their tactics.
please, most pvpvers have alts, i find VERY hard to believe that people who play this game for like you said "since beta" don't have at least a few alts, and considering the ridiculous large number of people playing romulans, i'm pretty sure at least some are pvpers.
maybe you don't, but most do.
Why put beta player in quotations? I've been playing this game since beta. And my char has been here since pre-opening for buying collectors edition. I also have a very rare title in-game.
Devs pls dont listen to this again, dont nerf the Valdore console, its fine as it is.
Just becouse some1 hacks/tricks or whatever they called it :rolleyes: are not an "I win" button anymore in PvP, it doesnt mean that this console is op.
In CE i still got 1st place just yesterday (i wanst on a rom char), and there were at least 2 valdores there so its not a problem for PvE at all. And in STFs i have seen valdores dieng plenty of times as well.
Also some parse programs gives u some wrong numbers, over inflated ones that dont reflect the true in-game situation with this console, its might be cuz is new.
I remember a similar thing about the leach console when only kdf had it, everytime feds requested it, the answers where "Roll a KDF". So here is the same thing, "Roll a Romulan" and see for urself.
Your entire argument is "the console is good because I assume people were using it and I claim to have done better than they did, once."
Or at least, if we put punctuation in where it appears to be missing and finish typing in words that you half wrote - that is what your argument is.
Anyone in this thread saying it doesnt work the way we say it does... by all means, go queue up and fight one of these guys. Hell even do it 1v1, im sure you can find some.
You will see. Youre just being ignorant and assumptive. Ive seen it first hand on more than one occasion. Maybe when you see with your own eyes you will stop acting like you know more than those of us who have experienced what this console is capable of.
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Anyone in this thread saying it doesnt work the way we say it does... by all means, go queue up and fight one of these guys. Hell even do it 1v1, im sure you can find some.
You will see. Youre just being ignorant and assumptive. Ive seen it first hand on more than one occasion. Maybe when you see with your own eyes you will stop acting like you know more than those of us who have experienced what this console is capable of.
hey its normal for a escort to have more heals than a healer....and then they TRIBBLE about how escorts are op.
i like the stupid arguments "it beats your bug ship" ....the troll brain cant imagine that a Romulan CAN have a bug ship and CAN use that sheet on the bug ship.
Tac/Warbirds are pumping out absurd amounts of healing without having to change their builds or tactics at all - there's matches where Warbirds with these consoles are outhealing dedicated Recluse healers by a few million.
oh hell lets just all fly around in super ships 'n never die.
if you're a romulan who pvps its a mUst have console.
Unless you're into fair play.
Its stupid OP. Ridiculous OP.
And defending it, especially if you should know better, makes you look silly and childish.
Everyone know's its OP.
Stop embarrassing yourself and trying to defend it.
You're shameful.
you suck at internet spaceships.
And i'll still one shot your OP super scort with invulnerable shields.
nubs.
**facepalm**
QQing about a console that is far from OP and DOES not make you invincible makes you look childish. I see Romulans blow up all the time in pvp and I bet most run this console at this point, all it really does is help make up for the weaker shields Romulans get from low shield power since most have to set it at 15 or have no manuverability. Why not find out how to take advantage of Romulans weakness instead of QQ nerf it now posts, Maybe because "you suck at internet spaceships"?
*throws on my elite goggles* Alright lets see here, I've been playing this game since beta. I've been actively involved with PvP with the game for years. I've been here longer than you, and you don't even know who I am.
Honestly, have YOU ever pvped? Who.. are you? I mean outside of premades stomping pugs? No? Too bad. I wouldn't be surprised if you were that kiddo at cracked planet who thought he was good because he was abusing the repulsor beam bug. Somehow, your name looks familiar ^.~
Edit: and......... pahhhlease. and you are the one to talk, the one with the Romulan Veteran forum title. You just want power, for yourself. If it means furthering the unbalance in PvP then so be it, as long as you can get your lolz from uber console right?
The Goggles STILL do nothing!! Neon Neon, it's all I see.
Seriously though, you now show your true colors (no pun intended lol).
I've been very candid that I fly Romulan (I said D'D in fact), and see a large part of this argument as people who do not run Romulan as their main character, wanting to nerf any somewhat useful ability they cannot have themselves. Same was put forward about Singularity Powers.
I don't know you and you don't know me. But Hello! I've played since Beta & Head Start myself as a Federation Tactical. Not much of a forum junky. Love the new LoR content! The point here is that the Dev's can see who is honest with their arguments and who is not by looking up account history and in-game play stats (which faction and ship someone really uses).
Overall balance is good for an MMO, but you and some others take it to the point of everyone having exactly the same thing with the only difference being ship skins. And you do it out of natural human drive to have what you see as the best for yourself, or barring that, deny it to anyone else.
I just don't like dishonest argument as a reason to nerf.
A tac can do this, a tac can do that. Not every1 who rolled a rommy toon rolled a tac, yet i see most of the arguments complaining about this super uber month old tactical rom face rolling an entire team lol...heres a counter for it:
TARGET WEAPONS
That would actually require thinking out of the box, something a lot of pvpers that only do premade arena can't do sadly so they try to ruin the game for everyone else.
The Goggles STILL do nothing!! Neon Neon, it's all I see.
Seriously though, you now show your true colors (no pun intended lol).
I've been very candid that I fly Romulan (I said D'D in fact), and see a large part of this argument as people who do not run Romulan as their main character, wanting to nerf any somewhat useful ability they cannot have themselves. Same was put forward about Singularity Powers.
I don't know you and you don't know me. But Hello! I've played since Beta & Head Start myself as a Federation Tactical. Not much of a forum junky. Love the new LoR content! The point here is that the Dev's can see who is honest with their arguments and who is not by looking up account history and in-game play stats (which faction and ship someone really uses).
Overall balance is good for an MMO, but you and some others take it to the point of everyone having exactly the same thing with the only difference being ship skins. And you do it out of natural human drive to have what you see as the best for yourself, or barring that, deny it to anyone else.
I just don't like dishonest argument as a reason to nerf.
Cheers,
Zoo (D'Zoo)
People have shown you charts, have given personal accounts, have pointed out the obvious and ontop of that have gone out of their way to prove it to you.
Yet...
you still deny it.
Dishonest argument? The only one that is being dishonest here, is you mister.
That would actually require thinking out of the box, something a lot of pvpers that only do premade arena can't do sadly so they try to ruin the game for everyone else.
I don't do premades. In fact I prefer 1v1s, but aside from this fact. Don't you think it a flawed argument to say "oh but everyones worried about the tactis with this console, but they dont care about the sci/engineers with it! so that means you should leave it alone, and let the tactis remain invincible!"
Ignoring the fact that sci/engineering players can abuse this console pretty effectively...
You seriously don't see a problem with this argument? Really?
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Lack of gaming skill? Want to PvP right now?
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Actually I consider that new romulan tier 5 fleet escort, the best escort. The Fleet Ha'feh.
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I really wish i seen this magical full shield heal when im using my valdore with 3 DHC's and 2 turrets when im cannon rapidfireing a tac cube... but i have yet to see any of this OP happen....
amusing i haven't seen people abandoning their JHAS in droves to get the fleet ha'feh but sure lol.
Those are going to be insane once people get them repped and capped out with gear and everything
Mine (just the free one you get at 40) already can rival my fleet advanced in terms of raw dps output (im sure the romulan boffs and the crit, and the sing overcharge factors heavily there) with only mk xi blues. Not to mention the cloak and turn rate making it quite a nimble little fat pigeon of a ship. Yes I said pigeon, cause it looks like one.
HaFeh is gonna be the new JHAS, i can almost guarantee it.
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Nerf the Recluse and Wells and its consoles, not the Valdore console.
RIGHT Because everyone is going to drop their main char, to start a new faction in which they have nothing. You've got it figured out.
Yeah it's going to be scary, surprised they didn't throw on the advanced battle cloak while they were at it.
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most pvper's are quite rich ingame, if i can afford getting my new rom char full MK XII gear, i'm pretty sure our "steemed" PvPers in this thread with JHAS, wells, recluses and etc can too, and most of them are in fleets with T5 shipyards, or can get in one and buy a ship.
Considering how many Ha'Fehs i see in pvp on a daily basis... people already are playing them quite heavily. Rep also takes a few weeks to grind out, im sure tier 5 isnt far off now, and then we will see the capped ones.
Also playing a rom is a little bit of a new concept for most, the extra abilities make for a whole new dimension of strategy, im sure pro pvpers are practicing that on their own before they start trying to pwn everyone in srs bsns premades.
Just the fact that a level 5 singularity overcharge is about as powerful as attack pattern alpha probably took some getting used to for many, to be able to pretty much chain alpha strikes isnt something most are used to, im sure.
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You know, just because you play alts, doesn't mean other people do. Just because you want to play romulan doesn't mean other people do. As a matter of fact, I've played the SAME char since pre-opening and I'm not going to drop it because of some overpowered console or shiny ship on another faction a dev let slip in.
I have a great deal of items, progress and time spent on my char and don't give me that "oh 10 billion ec in gear is easy to replace" nonsense.
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My only comment on topic is /combatlog 1. Maybe you have the console, maybe you don't, but take an evening of your playtime in the public queues and log every run. Download a parser and just take a look. It will show you everybody in the game with you.
CommanderDonatra@Capt.Sisko: ahhh is it supposed to do that?
Norvo Tigan@dontdrunkimshoot: hell ya, maybe
please, most pvpvers have alts, i find VERY hard to believe that people who play this game for like you said "since beta" don't have at least a few alts, and considering the ridiculous large number of people playing romulans, i'm pretty sure at least some are pvpers.
maybe you don't, but most do.
People have done this already and it shows exactly why this console is overpowered.
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so you have to play 2000 toons because you decide how each person plays the game?
at least you are full of skill and need a console that makes escorts heal better than dedicated healers.
Im so going to laugh at you people when they will nerf the console .You will PvE QQ all over the place after your broken 1000zen sheet.
CommanderDonatra@Capt.Sisko: ahhh is it supposed to do that?
Norvo Tigan@dontdrunkimshoot: hell ya, maybe
You are correct, most of those heals are wasted, this console is far from overpowered, I don't even bother using it on ships other then my Fleet Mogai for the 2 piece set. Shield resists are what is actually overpowered in this game, something the Mogai isn't best at stacking, and its console doesn't help with at all.
Shield resist stacking doesn't show up as heals so won't seem absurd since it just prevents so much damage from being dealt in the first place, and reduces the heals the Mogai console does. It's people like the OP and his fleet that abuse this shield resist stacking the most with overpowered ships that can run Cmdr and lt Cmdr eng and lt Cmdr and ensign sci like the Recluse and use it to stack shield resists absurdly high and they don't want anything that is even remoteley able to compete with their tactics.
Or is it overpowered simply because your bug can't faceroll a ship instantly with this like you think you should be able to do to everyone?
Why put beta player in quotations? I've been playing this game since beta. And my char has been here since pre-opening for buying collectors edition. I also have a very rare title in-game.
http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh639/MewiST/derpderpderp_zps03c41981.png
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Special_Envoy
Doubting that I've been here a long time, is just pure denial there sunshine.
and If by alt... you mean, level 20 char built for farming fleet marks and doffs then YEAH I totally have alts /lol
What... are you talking about?
What are you talking about... 2.5% chance weapon proc is VERY reliable. Especially if you are an escort with cannons.
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if a bug cant Im sure a defiant or a fleet patrol will do it :rolleyes:
guess old ships dont matter now as long you have your 1000 zen sheet
Your entire argument is "the console is good because I assume people were using it and I claim to have done better than they did, once."
Or at least, if we put punctuation in where it appears to be missing and finish typing in words that you half wrote - that is what your argument is.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Wait... You're saying that because it over-heals... it's not overpowered?
CommanderDonatra@Capt.Sisko: ahhh is it supposed to do that?
Norvo Tigan@dontdrunkimshoot: hell ya, maybe
You will see. Youre just being ignorant and assumptive. Ive seen it first hand on more than one occasion. Maybe when you see with your own eyes you will stop acting like you know more than those of us who have experienced what this console is capable of.
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I think he wants it to increase his shield health by whatever percentage it spills over, infinitely.
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I tried it out on a beam boat and the times it proc'd were so few and far between that it was not that helpfull
The crusiers do get a boost but not like a escort running cannon rapid fire.
So How do you reduce the cooldown/proc - and not make the console TOTALLY USELESS for crusiers??? Beamboats??
IMO it shouldn't be useful for ships that are already established tanks.
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hey its normal for a escort to have more heals than a healer....and then they TRIBBLE about how escorts are op.
i like the stupid arguments "it beats your bug ship" ....the troll brain cant imagine that a Romulan CAN have a bug ship and CAN use that sheet on the bug ship.
agree with op, console it is over powered
QQing about a console that is far from OP and DOES not make you invincible makes you look childish. I see Romulans blow up all the time in pvp and I bet most run this console at this point, all it really does is help make up for the weaker shields Romulans get from low shield power since most have to set it at 15 or have no manuverability. Why not find out how to take advantage of Romulans weakness instead of QQ nerf it now posts, Maybe because "you suck at internet spaceships"?
The Goggles STILL do nothing!! Neon Neon, it's all I see.
Seriously though, you now show your true colors (no pun intended lol).
I've been very candid that I fly Romulan (I said D'D in fact), and see a large part of this argument as people who do not run Romulan as their main character, wanting to nerf any somewhat useful ability they cannot have themselves. Same was put forward about Singularity Powers.
I don't know you and you don't know me. But Hello! I've played since Beta & Head Start myself as a Federation Tactical. Not much of a forum junky. Love the new LoR content! The point here is that the Dev's can see who is honest with their arguments and who is not by looking up account history and in-game play stats (which faction and ship someone really uses).
Overall balance is good for an MMO, but you and some others take it to the point of everyone having exactly the same thing with the only difference being ship skins. And you do it out of natural human drive to have what you see as the best for yourself, or barring that, deny it to anyone else.
I just don't like dishonest argument as a reason to nerf.
Cheers,
Zoo (D'Zoo)
That would actually require thinking out of the box, something a lot of pvpers that only do premade arena can't do sadly so they try to ruin the game for everyone else.
People have shown you charts, have given personal accounts, have pointed out the obvious and ontop of that have gone out of their way to prove it to you.
Yet...
you still deny it.
Dishonest argument? The only one that is being dishonest here, is you mister.
I don't do premades. In fact I prefer 1v1s, but aside from this fact. Don't you think it a flawed argument to say "oh but everyones worried about the tactis with this console, but they dont care about the sci/engineers with it! so that means you should leave it alone, and let the tactis remain invincible!"
Ignoring the fact that sci/engineering players can abuse this console pretty effectively...
You seriously don't see a problem with this argument? Really?
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