I actually like the idea of the Romulans joining with either the Federation or the Empire. Firstly, it makes sense with where the Romulans are at in STO. This isn't set in one of the TV series after all. Not to mention the fact that allying with someone doesn't mean you give yourself wholeheartedly and I suspect the Romulans will have a blade pointed at their ally's back.
Secondly, it means I don't have to help another fleet grind out a starbase from scratch (which would mean neglecting my Fed and Klingon fleets).
I can understand why the idea of Romulans basically fighting each other in PvP makes little sense, but then the Federation-Klingon war never made any real sense to me anyway.
All in all, I'm looking forward to rolling my first Romulan alt.
This is our point of view , a lot of us wanted to make a Romulan characters in a independent faction , the fleet I joined was willing to start over again on Romulan starbases. Its now a faction for Alt players. We cant have a idenity of our own when we split up between two factions the Romulans have always hated and killing each in pvp matches.
Liberated Borg are a must! They clearly exist, and even though the most prominent one was a Tal'Shiar agent, they're not all like that.....
And what about Hirogen? They're allied with Sela, why not them?
Congratulations Cryptic on being so predictable.
I've seen notes on STOwiki about the Hirogen being removed from Romulan Faction, but didn't believe it until now!
At least 5-6 players (counting myself) asked the question in the relevant Ask Cryptic if we'd be playing Hirogen.
The fact that you have refused to acknowledge this query says it all.
Couple that with the fact that you only get Romulan, Reman and AlienGen, that pretty much ends the chance of being a Hirogen Captain right at the beginning of the faction.
To be clear, you've just taken away the one reason I was willing to play the Romulan faction.
I told you I wasn't going to play the faction as a Romulan, Reman or Custom Alien.
And no captain=no money spent on c-store for keys (for lobi store, nothing else!) and unlocks.
So in conclusion, this faction means nothing to me now.
All I'll be doing is working on Tholian/Nukara Reputation on my existing captains and when that is done, I'll be back to doing nothing significant at all.
Call me when the next faction comes out, with Liberated Borg Cardassian as an species option.
And I'd better get to play as that! :mad:
Bees like honey, they don't like vinegar.
Everytime someone makes a character that is an copy of an existing superhuman, Creativity is sad
Stahl said earlier that the game's technology "doesn't allow" for new factions to be implemented any other way.
Whoever said that is talking TRIBBLE.
Fact #1 ~ We're getting half of a 3rd faction in May
Fact #2 ~ A games coding can be changed to implement desired changes; it isn't that such couldn't be possible, it's that it would require more time, effort and cost than they're willing to do. Cryptic have the STO source code, they can do with that what they want, and changes are do-able
Fact #3 ~ When Cryptic give you a FACT, you take it with a pinch of salt
Call me when the next faction comes out, with Liberated Borg Cardassian as an species option.
Heh, a Cardassian Faction you say? If we count the Romulan Faction as 0.5 of a faction, the Cardassians can be the same, thus come the release of the Cardassians (which will be implemented in the same stupid way) we'll actually have three factions worth of content through (what would be) two factions, as you can bet Cardassian players would need to 'join the Federation or Klingon'. Pathetic.
Fact #1 ~ We're getting half of a 3rd faction in May
More like 3/4 of a faction. They've got their own 1-50 progression of story missions, affected in flavor only by the choice of faction to infiltrate; their own ships; their own races (lol three races, but still); and at least a few of their own DOffs. They have all the same endgame content as the Feds and KDF, who also don't have truly exclusive endgame content, which would put them on even footing with the Romulans in that regard.
What's missing is independent Fleet content, an exclusive stable of DOffs both random and premade, and their own iteration of the Omega Force Rep. Some additional things, like a timeship and some Vet rewards are also missing, but those aren't really critical to being a complete faction.
Calling the Romulans an incomplete faction is accurate, but saying they're only half a faction is understating how much they will have.
My only question would be, if they make Romulan Cruiser (D'Deridex for example) just as lame and boring as Starfleet Cruisers.
But seriously, i don't have to ask anyway, since they will be availlable to Federation side somehow, lol.
"...'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured...the first thought forbidden...the first freedom denied--chains us all irrevocably.' ... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. I fear that today--"
- (TNG) Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie
Funny I was just about to post that info myself but you beat me to it.
It has been mentioned a couple of times this joining the fed and kdf, just like its been talked about as a stand alone faction. I think it's an interview with priority one your looking for. But that said. If everything was written in stone in that interview then he's adding a Borg faction as well. Since they was mention when he talked about future factions added to the game. So if foolish concept 1 can sneak its way into the game nothing can now write off foolish idea 2 and 3 and so on
People ask why I still hang around after 3 years, even though I don't play the game.
Well a sample of quotes from people who mainly in the "Faith in Cryptic" thread and now this,are the reason why.
People flip flop from loving to hating to hating to loving, with still the staunch defenders backup up Cryptic no matter what they do!
Cryptic build up your hopes and then as usual dash them when they reveal the whole truth (that's Cryptic truth btw).
Whatever you do people, please still post;)
"Bingo!
Now don't all you Nay-sayers feel kinda silly... ??"
"Cryptic you outdid yourselves this time!!! Impressive! Finished Klingons and a Romulan faction... amazing!"
"For years we've all had our doubts that Cryptic could pull it together and make this game a true Trek experience. We've sat through content drouths that lasted nearly years. Klingons have had to suffer with half a faction since launch. We've seen difficulties with stability and bugs, some of which have been persistent.
However, today, we see Cryptic's best hand yet, and the single largest change to Star Trek Online since its launch in February of 2010.
The question here, to the community, is simple. With the announcement of the new Romulan faction and a far more expanded(possibly finished) Klingon faction, and the myriad of other new additions, has your faith in Cryptic as a company been restored? strengthened? or were you one of the hopefuls that never lost it."
"We don't even know to what extent it really is a "faction."
"If, in the end, it is two complete factions, I think Cryptic will get a reputation boost by the majority of it's playerbase; but time will tell."
"ve had about enough of this TRIBBLE stop with this nonsense of "turning it around" since going F2p they have turned it around the roi for them is high and as far as PW is concerned this game is a cash cow for them now and to be honest (flame me if you want) no matter what they do YOU will stil be here because you love startrek plain and simple and im not talking fair weather fans but the hardcore fans YOU will stay and YOU will like it no matter what they do and they know that and I know that so im happy with all the lockboxes and such and the ways they come up with to make money because if they don't then this thing gets shut down and they are doing well right now so turning it around has already been done as far as making money ....and never forget yourself sir MONEY is what its all about"
"My credit card is standing by for the first sign of a sale for Lifetime subs."
And my favourite from the one person says they never complain about what Cryptic does and has so far not commented on this thread, but I know they don't want to be a mini faction...
"Is my faith in Cryptic back? My belief in Cryptic has never left.
I've been a lifer since the first day they were offered back in Open Beta. I purchased almost every game box release offered. I've purchased almost every single item from the C-Store and most items on the Lobi store. I own at least 1 copy of every lockbox ship. I think I have around 18 character slots unlocked. Several of my characters have multiple ship slots and multiple BOff slots unlocked. Couple of my characters have max DOFF slots unlocked. I have 14 characters with 10 at level 50 (7 VA/3 LG). 1 max crafter. All of my Fed characters are in a single-player fleet with an almost T2 SB and working on T1 embassy. I've experienced almost all of the missions available in STO however I don't PvP and don't care to experience the STFs.
I've seen the term "whale" applied for the type of customer I've been of Cryptics STO, and most likely my expenditures over the years put me at the "blue whale" level (being the largest of the terran whales).
I accept STO for the amusement park MMO that it is and never expect it to become something that it isn't or can never be. I've enjoyed the entertainment I've experienced with Cryptic's offering of their vision and version of the ST IP and feel that I've received more than an adequate return on my investment in my entertainment.
And now I'm going to finally be able to play a Romulan character in a Romulan faction and fly Romulan ships in space after waiting 3 years.
My belief in the company never left and I am glad to see that once again it was well-placed. And once again, my purchase of an LTS way back before release has proven to have been a majorly wise decision on my part."
Oh I love these forums...:D
Straight from the mouth of one of the leaders of the CDF - "I tell you what, Haven't spent any money either - I'm a lousy freeloader" - Jonsills 17/12/2014
OK, 40+ more pages after taking an 8h sleep... Sorry, but catching up on that many posts would take me all day, so if I say something that's already been said I apologize...
The way I understood it the Romulans will get (besides of the featured episodes, which always have been cross-faction, but more about those later) their very own level 1-50 "flavour". How this will play out is something we don't know yet BUT it was clearly stated that you won't be able to be doing e.g the Fek'lhr missions just because you decide to ally your Romulan Captain with the KDF (It was only said that you could help a KDF teammate with HIS/HER mission).
And please, people, try to remember where the people of New Romulus are standing right now: No real military, no intelligence agency, only a bunch of civilians who most likely aquired any ship (which will most likely explain the TOS BoP as the starting vessel) they could get a hold on to leave barren colonies like the Hfihar mining colony which are unable to support themselves, with only the survivors of Obisek's group of rebels and maybe a few disillusioned defectors from the Imperial Navy having any battle experience.
They go and colonize a planet that's slowly recovering from a cataclysmic holocaust... a planet noone else wanted back then. And while surveying the planet they stumble over a damaged but repairable Iconian gateway... making their new homeworld a strategic important place to almost any power in the known galaxy. Without any allies they would lose their new home AGAIN, and every Romulan will be aware of that. If they want to hold this world as their own their is no way around making an ally.
I don't have any problems with choosing an ally as a Romulan, it's only logical, and I'm grateful that I as a player can make the decission with whom I want to ally my new home.
Now, with that out of the way, I DO see some problems with the way this is implemented though:
1) Romulans need a social zone for just themselves.
After all Romulans ARE xenophobic. The way things are discribed right now though they have to share their homeworld with both Feds and KDF or are only guests on ESD or Qo'noS. Simple solution though: Make the city on New Romulus accesible to Romulans only. After all, every faction deserves a little places for themselves.
2) Any upcoming Romulan fleets/starbase system is made to fail.
What will happen once a Romulan fleets/starbase system IS put into place? Will all Romulan players will be forced to leave the Fed/KDF fleet they joined and have to join a Romulan fleet now, starting at zero?
The last question that remains though: Is the Romulan Republic a true faction or just a subfaction? From what I read so far I would tend to lean to the former, and I can't wait to get my hands on a warbird
I have to do the exact same thing. when I tell them they have to join fed or kdf I doubt they will bother logging in. they will say sorry wazza we'll stick with TOR because that sounds a bit rubbish. i'm sure they will use different words but I don't want to get my post deleted lol
Me, I'm still coming back from TOR. Not everybody cares if it's a FULLY independent faction, they just want new content! *starts acting like tacofangs* And all the new ships, races, and other stuff that comes with the faction.
By the way, this reminds me... will we ever be able to invite people from other factions to our starbases? Like we can with our ships?
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
"Anyone who wants a 3rd queue faction hasn't played a Klingon. As I said before, that isn't good for the game. We allow cross faction teaming because it allows more people to play together. "
agreed, but i think what people really want are 3 way PVP Maps, just because it would be crazy pew pew fun. And it can't be that hard to make a few recycled PvP Maps with 3 Spawnpoints now, can it?
PvP isn't getting any better by not doing anything for it either, and in a game like STO with constant Power Creep, be it from new Reputation Systems or C-Store consoles or whatever, there will just never be that sweetspot where the balance is perfect enough to be happy about it.
There is always a power to tweak or fix.
The Balancing of powers is not improving PvP, that is maintaining the playability of what is there already.
Unless PvP gets some new Modes / Maps it will be stuck where it is stuck for 3 Years now.
Gozer wanted to make the PvP Queue into one queue, no more Fed vs KDF but just Player vs. Player.
For the open queue that is just fine.
If we want to play faction themed PVP, then we can do so in Private Queues just fine, heck we play DOMINION vs. FED PvP already in Jupiter Force and those are LockBox Ships!!!
We can easily do KDF vs Rom or FED vs ROM once we get there.
But we will not be able to play Rom VS Fed VS Kdf in one map, because there are just no 3 Team Maps... yet.
And we the players WANTED the Romulan Faction to bring some new Spice to PvP, more so than just a few new Ships to shoot at.
We also WANTED Romulans to add some new spice to DOffing too, new Chains / Assignments / and proper Romulan DOffs too (Romulans are Xenophobic, i just don't see a lot of Klingons, Dosi and Karemma DOffs serving on a Warbird).
A Romulan Fleetstarbase Sink... i think we can all agree that we do not want a THIRD Super Sink until we are done with the FED and KDF Bases... and until the Small Fleets are happy how they get along.
It seems to me that some of you are failing to read what was said by DStahtl...
Not in the least, Romulans have their own storyline for the first 40 levels and then borrow their end game content from other factions. It means a couple of things. One Feds will all roll romulans so they can play with cloaks AND still use Federation ships from their old starbases on their new Romulan characters. It also means Romulans are lacking end game content of their own and that Cyptic doesn't have doffs, lockbox ships, or Starbases for them. Probably not enough c-store ships to boot. However, all of those things are what makes Cryptic most of their money. DStahtl doesn have to to say we did this to make money and programming lives easier, but feel free to read between the lines.
all the while remaining their own independent faction.
That's what he said about the Romulans when they make their decision, they'll still be their own faction, but they'll be allied with either the Federation or the KDF. How difficult is it to understand that?
You must not play KDF. If you did you know the track record of half assing the faction. Almost all of the KDF level 25 missions and up are Federation missions with KDF logo stitched on. The end game content is entirely the same. Yet we are considered a faction :rolleyes: I for one play PvP at endgame after a character reaches 50. Otherwise I'd blow my brains out from chasing bunnies and doing the same 3 STF's over and over again. And that about to be romulan vs. romulan. Kind of like its Domion vs. Dominion now.
If it was temporary, and they said they need more time to fully flesh out the end game fro the faction I would have been ok with it. But reserving the option and working to finish are not the same and they clearly said reserve the option. This is the intended end game for Romulans. Peace on New Romulus, Kow Tow to races they hate and Civil War outside of New Romulus.
Sadly I do not feel the Romulan element to be added to STO should be called a faction. Based on what Dan said it is more of a redheaded stepchild of the UFP and the KDF. Regarding the notion that Cryptic is supporting established fleets by doing this is yet another slap in the face of small fleet. People were actually looking forward to starting over with the FACTION from step one with EVERYONE else since the announcement. Now mega fleets will have to figure out to deal with the addition of so many new toons from established players (methinks many will start new alt fleets negating the whole stated reason by Cryptic) and those in small fleets will have an even harder time attracting new members but I digress...
I see no upside to this situation from a player perspective to be frank but maybe my perception is skewed since I've been waiting for years to play a PROPER Romulan faction on equal footing with the others. Well now the KDF will feel less screwed since team green is getting less than they did at start in my opinion.
If you are looking for an excellent PvE fleet consider: Omega Combat Division today.
Former member of the Cryptic Family & FriendsTesting Team. Sadly, one day, it simply vanished - without a word or trace...
Sadly I do not feel the Romulan element to be added to STO should be called a faction. Based on what Dan said it is more of a redheaded stepchild of the UFP and the KDF. Regarding the notion that Cryptic is supporting established fleets by doing this is yet another slap in the face of small fleet. People were actually looking forward to starting over with the FACTION from step one with EVERYONE else since the announcement. Now mega fleets will have to figure out to deal with the addition of so many new toons from established players (methinks many will start new alt fleets negating the whole stated reason by Cryptic) and those in small fleets will have an even harder time attracting new members but I digress...
I see no upside to this situation from a player perspective to be frank but maybe my perception is skewed since I've been waiting for years to play a PROPER Romulan faction on equal footing with the others. Well now the KDF will feel less screwed since team green is getting less than they did at start in my opinion.
Really Romulans are getting 1-40 of their own story...KDF did not get a story at all.
Sadly I do not feel the Romulan element to be added to STO should be called a faction. Based on what Dan said it is more of a redheaded stepchild of the UFP and the KDF. Regarding the notion that Cryptic is supporting established fleets by doing this is yet another slap in the face of small fleet. People were actually looking forward to starting over with the FACTION from step one with EVERYONE else since the announcement. Now mega fleets will have to figure out to deal with the addition of so many new toons from established players (methinks many will start new alt fleets negating the whole stated reason by Cryptic) and those in small fleets will have an even harder time attracting new members but I digress...
I see no upside to this situation from a player perspective to be frank but maybe my perception is skewed since I've been waiting for years to play a PROPER Romulan faction on equal footing with the others. Well now the KDF will feel less screwed since team green is getting less than they did at start in my opinion.
Regarding the kdf, the romulan species get a fair amount of story and missions which sounds good compared to what the kdf have had for such a long time. The huge problem is the end result. Which is carving the faction in half. Faction ship sharing is an awful idea. And romulan fighting romulan. Furthermore people wanting to play reman have to unlock them..... But the romulan republic surely would make romulans and remens equals? But it don't really sound very equal.
Really Romulans are getting 1-40 of their own story...KDF did not get a story at all.
It is a total experience evaluation methinks. Story is one point to consider but given it[KDF] was promoted as a PvP faction from day one, story would not be a high priority in my mind if I was designing the game for what it is worth. Anyway, I think if someone sat down listed all the elements of a faction and rated them equally the KDF will come out with more checks.
If you are looking for an excellent PvE fleet consider: Omega Combat Division today.
Former member of the Cryptic Family & FriendsTesting Team. Sadly, one day, it simply vanished - without a word or trace...
"START AS ANY FACTION
Create your first character as a member of the Federation, Klingon Empire, or Romulan Republic and level your captain from 1 to 50."
I copied this from the LoR teaser site
An explanation is due and we players would like to hear it. :mad::mad:
For those who can't work the links (Hello mike update your browser)
I cut and pasted it
Thank You! This was very helpful! But now i'm so blown-away my head is spinning!
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Lt. Dark Knight, KDF Tactical Officer
This post is:
- Up to date with what is known of Ask Cryptic and subsequent Dstahl postings.
- a personal opinion
- The view of someone who loves Romulans and will likely play one still...
- Somewhere opinions can be shared in a calm manner, agree with my views or not and why...
This is not:
- A flame war
- A place for trolls, they can go back to their caves and sharpen their teeth.
So here it is.
We all know from Ask Cryptic that Romulans will have to choose an Alliance with Feds or KDF, share starbase and queues. So far, I have not heard of said players to have to "fold into" either faction and give up their green stuff. So, why no.... There was 3 scenarios before even the March 21st reveal:
Worst case:
Players can start as a romulan captain, however will have to choose a side and completely fold into its new home faction. No home base, no green UI, nothing personal except ships and uniforms only them can fly/use.
Practical:
Players can start in the romulan faction, have their own homebase, stories, ships costumes and so on. However, for practical reasons (fleet size, queue length...), they have to ally with the other 2 factions for use of SB and pvp/pve queues. So they are a full faction, just not SB.... yet.
Dreamed:
Romulan Republic is pretty much having all what Federation (and KDF to a lesser extent) has, UI, ships, uniforms, gated social zones to Feds, SB and so on.... I see it being portrayed as such in March 21st reveal.
I will be blunt, from previous hints and posts from the devs, the 'red' options seemed to have been their path, it was 'easy' to take and implement...
People wanted the 'green' (no punt intended) but, for now, Cryptic seemed to have chosen a (orange) medium path that is both practical and leaving the door open to still a full independent faction.... Who knows, the RR may rebel and find 'isolation' back behind some sort of a neutral zone once SB is given to them...
So, to all of you Romulans, the green is still here in full force... just rejoice in what is coming May 21st. I know I will and still roll a romulan toon. I feel I will be able to do about everything without interacting much with my "allied" faction except in queues and STFs, which is faction neutral as of today anyway...
First off, yikes! I cannot believe I just read this whole thread in one sitting with no coffee!
Second, so much hate... not just at the announcement but at anyone who dares disagree with an opposing view. How is any of that helpful?
Myself, as a big fan of both Romulans and Klingons, can see some of the Rom fans anger and understand it. But, venting that anger in such a fashion, especially at other players, will accomplish nothing before May. Don't believe me? Check out almost any KDF forum thread and see how well it has worked over there.
As this game is a mmoRPg I intend to do as I have done with each Alt/toon/char/whatever in this game and use a little imagination.
I fully intend to roll a Romulan (although I'd prefer a Reman and want clarification as to whether a Romulan has to unlock Reman on an account or if my Fed/KDF can unlock it so my first GREEN alt is Reman). When the time comes for me to choose an ally (KDF every time) I choose to see this in a similar fashion to the choices I make in my repuation system. Do I have more shield regen or critical hit chance? Do I go to a starbase overpopulated with tribbles or have a roaring fire? Put some RP into MMORPG.
I don't want to see a Romulan flying a Defiant any more than many (and I stress MANY, because it is not all) of the Romulan fans. Nor do I want to see them flying a Hegh'ta... but, from an established (if hotly debated) canon point of view, it makes more sense this way than the other.
I have a KDF fleet with 4 members (3 of them me ) because people just quit, or left for bigger fleets. I have an open invitation to any Romulan/Reman captains to join come May. It's not what many hoped for but it is a chance to build a fleet from almost nothing (still in the middle of tier 1 upgrade). RP that you have allied with only one KDF House. RP that you have stolen a base from under the KDF's noses. RP that you bought it with traded tech, and they gave you an unfinished one. But RP a little.
To those who STILL say it is unfair to have anything at all, please remember the KDF, who started with little, got handed scraps and told it was enough and have been promised much for this May but told little. Will we finally be finished after 3 years? Time will tell.
But ask yourself this, sons and daughters of Romulus and Remii...
...would you prefer to wait another year, maybe longer, to have the RSE of your dreams (with the potential that STO doesn't last that long, because NOONE can predict the future) or can you be satisfied with more than the KDF got at the start and the potential for improvement along the way?
"...we are far more united and have far more in common with each other than the things that divide us.”
Jo Cox 22.6.1974 - 16.6.2016
It is a total experience evaluation methinks. Story is one point to consider but given it was promoted as a PvP faction from day one story would be a high priority in my mind if I was designing the game for what it is worth. Anyway, I think if someone sat down listed all the elements of a faction and rated them equally the KDF will come out with more checks.
And you will be right. The kdf only lacked story missions to take them from 1-50. It was a problem but in my case it wasn't my 2 kdf toons levelled they way of true warrior thru fighting all those enemies of the Klingon empire.
But I like you always remember them being a pvp faction but the popularity of them exploded. Cryptic never fixed that problem early as they should have done and it remained a problem for 3 years. They are now making a new problem because they are underestimating romulan popularity and what's worse is underestimating the the drive and determination of it's player base. If they think doing a problem in reverse is better they are very much mistaken. Content 1-50 then you find your faction is torn apart more and ends up fight each other in some else's war. It is all shades of wrong
First off, yikes! I cannot believe I just read this whole thread in one sitting with no coffee!
Second, so much hate... not just at the announcement but at anyone who dares disagree with an opposing view. How is any of that helpful?
Myself, as a big fan of both Romulans and Klingons, can see some of the Rom fans anger and understand it. But, venting that anger in such a fashion, especially at other players, will accomplish nothing before May. Don't believe me? Check out almost any KDF forum thread and see how well it has worked over there.
As this game is a mmoRPg I intend to do as I have done with each Alt/toon/char/whatever in this game and use a little imagination.
I fully intend to roll a Romulan (although I'd prefer a Reman and want clarification as to whether a Romulan has to unlock Reman on an account or if my Fed/KDF can unlock it so my first GREEN alt is Reman). When the time comes for me to choose an ally (KDF every time) I choose to see this in a similar fashion to the choices I make in my repuation system. Do I have more shield regen or critical hit chance? Do I go to a starbase overpopulated with tribbles or have a roaring fire? Put some RP into MMORPG.
I don't want to see a Romulan flying a Defiant any more than many (and I stress MANY, because it is not all) of the Romulan fans. Nor do I want to see them flying a Hegh'ta... but, from an established (if hotly debated) canon point of view, it makes more sense this way than the other.
I have a KDF fleet with 4 members (3 of them me ) because people just quit, or left for bigger fleets. I have an open invitation to any Romulan/Reman captains to join come May. It's not what many hoped for but it is a chance to build a fleet from almost nothing (still in the middle of tier 1 upgrade). RP that you have allied with only one KDF House. RP that you have stolen a base from under the KDF's noses. RP that you bought it with traded tech, and they gave you an unfinished one. But RP a little.
To those who STILL say it is unfair to have anything at all, please remember the KDF, who started with little, got handed scraps and told it was enough and have been promised much for this May but told little. Will we finally be finished after 3 years? Time will tell.
But ask yourself this, sons and daughters of Romulus and Remii...
...would you prefer to wait another year, maybe longer, to have the RSE of your dreams (with the potential that STO doesn't last that long, because NOONE can predict the future) or can you be satisfied with more than the KDF got at the start and the potential for improvement along the way?
If you checked the LoR teaser site we were supposed to be able to be roms and remans but i guess cryptic decided a lie in the face is better then a truth in the ear.
Just wait for May people, some things may change, at least we know Cryptic is listening to us a little bit, whether they are delivering this to make us happy or a publicly stunt to make them look good well only they know.
But we are getting what we want, just not exactly what we want. Given time I am sure they will fix this if they start to focus on more important things rather than just grind and nerf.
Am I totally happy, no but not much I can do about it, like many of you I am only a paying customer.
It is a total experience evaluation methinks. Story is one point to consider but given it[KDF] was promoted as a PvP faction from day one, story would not be a high priority in my mind if I was designing the game for what it is worth. Anyway, I think if someone sat down listed all the elements of a faction and rated them equally the KDF will come out with more checks.
And so they should, they have been in the game for 3 years and was promised before launch to be a full faction, it was only a couple of months before release that the PvP faction excuse came up. The Romulans have been in game for what minus (-) 2 months? Give Cryptic time, Rome wasn't built in a day. Payable Romulans, start any faction from the start and more KDF content, it's a win already despite being a little mislead and not getting exactly what was implied to us.
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And so they should, they have been in the game for 3 years and was promised before launch to be a full faction, it was only a couple of months before release that the PvP faction excuse came up. The Romulans have been in game for what minus (-) 2 months? Give Cryptic time, Rome wasn't built in a day. Payable Romulans, start any faction from the start and more KDF content, it's a win already despite being a little mislead and not getting exactly what was implied to us.
I can live with what we got i am content with atleast being a rom
what boils my blood is the bold faced lie they told all of us.
I mean go to the LoR teaser sire and this is what you will find
"START AS ANY FACTION
Create your first character as a member of the Federation, Klingon Empire, or Romulan Republic and level your captain from 1 to 50."
So does it say that roms must be KDF or FED?
This was a bold faced lie not just a mislead but an all and out lie thats one thing that just makes me madder then an old wet hen.
If cryptic had been honest from the get go i wouldnt be mad but happy but im mad because they lied to all of us.
And you will be right. The kdf only lacked story missions to take them from 1-50. It was a problem but in my case it wasn't my 2 kdf toons levelled they way of true warrior thru fighting all those enemies of the Klingon empire.
But I like you always remember them being a pvp faction but the popularity of them exploded. Cryptic never fixed that problem early as they should have done and it remained a problem for 3 years. They are now making a new problem because they are underestimating romulan popularity and what's worse is underestimating the the drive and determination of it's player base. If they think doing a problem in reverse is better they are very much mistaken. Content 1-50 then you find your faction is torn apart more and ends up fight each other in some else's war. It is all shades of wrong
I concur. There is a part of the decision process that we simply are not being told yet - if ever it seems.
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I know, alot of people didn't expect a full third faction at all, heck alot of people didn't expect a full Klingon Faction even.
Personally I like the new Romulans better then the old Romulans. We all ready have an empire about conquest and glory. I find the idea of playing revolutionaries and part time mercanies with a slight Space Roman/Space Elf and Space Orcs flavour exciting.
The TNG outfits were sooo ugly and the hair was all the same too.
The Ships were awesome and the elements that echoed
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This is our point of view , a lot of us wanted to make a Romulan characters in a independent faction , the fleet I joined was willing to start over again on Romulan starbases. Its now a faction for Alt players. We cant have a idenity of our own when we split up between two factions the Romulans have always hated and killing each in pvp matches.
Congratulations Cryptic on being so predictable.
I've seen notes on STOwiki about the Hirogen being removed from Romulan Faction, but didn't believe it until now!
At least 5-6 players (counting myself) asked the question in the relevant Ask Cryptic if we'd be playing Hirogen.
The fact that you have refused to acknowledge this query says it all.
Couple that with the fact that you only get Romulan, Reman and AlienGen, that pretty much ends the chance of being a Hirogen Captain right at the beginning of the faction.
To be clear, you've just taken away the one reason I was willing to play the Romulan faction.
I told you I wasn't going to play the faction as a Romulan, Reman or Custom Alien.
And no captain=no money spent on c-store for keys (for lobi store, nothing else!) and unlocks.
So in conclusion, this faction means nothing to me now.
All I'll be doing is working on Tholian/Nukara Reputation on my existing captains and when that is done, I'll be back to doing nothing significant at all.
Call me when the next faction comes out, with Liberated Borg Cardassian as an species option.
And I'd better get to play as that! :mad:
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Fact #1 ~ We're getting half of a 3rd faction in May
Fact #2 ~ A games coding can be changed to implement desired changes; it isn't that such couldn't be possible, it's that it would require more time, effort and cost than they're willing to do. Cryptic have the STO source code, they can do with that what they want, and changes are do-able
Fact #3 ~ When Cryptic give you a FACT, you take it with a pinch of salt
Heh, a Cardassian Faction you say? If we count the Romulan Faction as 0.5 of a faction, the Cardassians can be the same, thus come the release of the Cardassians (which will be implemented in the same stupid way) we'll actually have three factions worth of content through (what would be) two factions, as you can bet Cardassian players would need to 'join the Federation or Klingon'. Pathetic.
More like 3/4 of a faction. They've got their own 1-50 progression of story missions, affected in flavor only by the choice of faction to infiltrate; their own ships; their own races (lol three races, but still); and at least a few of their own DOffs. They have all the same endgame content as the Feds and KDF, who also don't have truly exclusive endgame content, which would put them on even footing with the Romulans in that regard.
What's missing is independent Fleet content, an exclusive stable of DOffs both random and premade, and their own iteration of the Omega Force Rep. Some additional things, like a timeship and some Vet rewards are also missing, but those aren't really critical to being a complete faction.
Calling the Romulans an incomplete faction is accurate, but saying they're only half a faction is understating how much they will have.
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But seriously, i don't have to ask anyway, since they will be availlable to Federation side somehow, lol.
It has been mentioned a couple of times this joining the fed and kdf, just like its been talked about as a stand alone faction. I think it's an interview with priority one your looking for. But that said. If everything was written in stone in that interview then he's adding a Borg faction as well. Since they was mention when he talked about future factions added to the game. So if foolish concept 1 can sneak its way into the game nothing can now write off foolish idea 2 and 3 and so on
People ask why I still hang around after 3 years, even though I don't play the game.
Well a sample of quotes from people who mainly in the "Faith in Cryptic" thread and now this,are the reason why.
People flip flop from loving to hating to hating to loving, with still the staunch defenders backup up Cryptic no matter what they do!
Cryptic build up your hopes and then as usual dash them when they reveal the whole truth (that's Cryptic truth btw).
Whatever you do people, please still post;)
"Bingo!
Now don't all you Nay-sayers feel kinda silly... ??"
"Cryptic you outdid yourselves this time!!! Impressive! Finished Klingons and a Romulan faction... amazing!"
"For years we've all had our doubts that Cryptic could pull it together and make this game a true Trek experience. We've sat through content drouths that lasted nearly years. Klingons have had to suffer with half a faction since launch. We've seen difficulties with stability and bugs, some of which have been persistent.
However, today, we see Cryptic's best hand yet, and the single largest change to Star Trek Online since its launch in February of 2010.
The question here, to the community, is simple. With the announcement of the new Romulan faction and a far more expanded(possibly finished) Klingon faction, and the myriad of other new additions, has your faith in Cryptic as a company been restored? strengthened? or were you one of the hopefuls that never lost it."
"We don't even know to what extent it really is a "faction."
"If, in the end, it is two complete factions, I think Cryptic will get a reputation boost by the majority of it's playerbase; but time will tell."
"ve had about enough of this TRIBBLE stop with this nonsense of "turning it around" since going F2p they have turned it around the roi for them is high and as far as PW is concerned this game is a cash cow for them now and to be honest (flame me if you want) no matter what they do YOU will stil be here because you love startrek plain and simple and im not talking fair weather fans but the hardcore fans YOU will stay and YOU will like it no matter what they do and they know that and I know that so im happy with all the lockboxes and such and the ways they come up with to make money because if they don't then this thing gets shut down and they are doing well right now so turning it around has already been done as far as making money ....and never forget yourself sir MONEY is what its all about"
"My credit card is standing by for the first sign of a sale for Lifetime subs."
And my favourite from the one person says they never complain about what Cryptic does and has so far not commented on this thread, but I know they don't want to be a mini faction...
"Is my faith in Cryptic back? My belief in Cryptic has never left.
I've been a lifer since the first day they were offered back in Open Beta. I purchased almost every game box release offered. I've purchased almost every single item from the C-Store and most items on the Lobi store. I own at least 1 copy of every lockbox ship. I think I have around 18 character slots unlocked. Several of my characters have multiple ship slots and multiple BOff slots unlocked. Couple of my characters have max DOFF slots unlocked. I have 14 characters with 10 at level 50 (7 VA/3 LG). 1 max crafter. All of my Fed characters are in a single-player fleet with an almost T2 SB and working on T1 embassy. I've experienced almost all of the missions available in STO however I don't PvP and don't care to experience the STFs.
I've seen the term "whale" applied for the type of customer I've been of Cryptics STO, and most likely my expenditures over the years put me at the "blue whale" level (being the largest of the terran whales).
I accept STO for the amusement park MMO that it is and never expect it to become something that it isn't or can never be. I've enjoyed the entertainment I've experienced with Cryptic's offering of their vision and version of the ST IP and feel that I've received more than an adequate return on my investment in my entertainment.
And now I'm going to finally be able to play a Romulan character in a Romulan faction and fly Romulan ships in space after waiting 3 years.
My belief in the company never left and I am glad to see that once again it was well-placed. And once again, my purchase of an LTS way back before release has proven to have been a majorly wise decision on my part."
Oh I love these forums...:D
The way I understood it the Romulans will get (besides of the featured episodes, which always have been cross-faction, but more about those later) their very own level 1-50 "flavour". How this will play out is something we don't know yet BUT it was clearly stated that you won't be able to be doing e.g the Fek'lhr missions just because you decide to ally your Romulan Captain with the KDF (It was only said that you could help a KDF teammate with HIS/HER mission).
And please, people, try to remember where the people of New Romulus are standing right now: No real military, no intelligence agency, only a bunch of civilians who most likely aquired any ship (which will most likely explain the TOS BoP as the starting vessel) they could get a hold on to leave barren colonies like the Hfihar mining colony which are unable to support themselves, with only the survivors of Obisek's group of rebels and maybe a few disillusioned defectors from the Imperial Navy having any battle experience.
They go and colonize a planet that's slowly recovering from a cataclysmic holocaust... a planet noone else wanted back then. And while surveying the planet they stumble over a damaged but repairable Iconian gateway... making their new homeworld a strategic important place to almost any power in the known galaxy. Without any allies they would lose their new home AGAIN, and every Romulan will be aware of that. If they want to hold this world as their own their is no way around making an ally.
I don't have any problems with choosing an ally as a Romulan, it's only logical, and I'm grateful that I as a player can make the decission with whom I want to ally my new home.
Now, with that out of the way, I DO see some problems with the way this is implemented though:
1) Romulans need a social zone for just themselves.
After all Romulans ARE xenophobic. The way things are discribed right now though they have to share their homeworld with both Feds and KDF or are only guests on ESD or Qo'noS. Simple solution though: Make the city on New Romulus accesible to Romulans only. After all, every faction deserves a little places for themselves.
2) Any upcoming Romulan fleets/starbase system is made to fail.
What will happen once a Romulan fleets/starbase system IS put into place? Will all Romulan players will be forced to leave the Fed/KDF fleet they joined and have to join a Romulan fleet now, starting at zero?
The last question that remains though: Is the Romulan Republic a true faction or just a subfaction? From what I read so far I would tend to lean to the former, and I can't wait to get my hands on a warbird
Me, I'm still coming back from TOR. Not everybody cares if it's a FULLY independent faction, they just want new content!
By the way, this reminds me... will we ever be able to invite people from other factions to our starbases? Like we can with our ships?
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
agreed, but i think what people really want are 3 way PVP Maps, just because it would be crazy pew pew fun. And it can't be that hard to make a few recycled PvP Maps with 3 Spawnpoints now, can it?
PvP isn't getting any better by not doing anything for it either, and in a game like STO with constant Power Creep, be it from new Reputation Systems or C-Store consoles or whatever, there will just never be that sweetspot where the balance is perfect enough to be happy about it.
There is always a power to tweak or fix.
The Balancing of powers is not improving PvP, that is maintaining the playability of what is there already.
Unless PvP gets some new Modes / Maps it will be stuck where it is stuck for 3 Years now.
Gozer wanted to make the PvP Queue into one queue, no more Fed vs KDF but just Player vs. Player.
For the open queue that is just fine.
If we want to play faction themed PVP, then we can do so in Private Queues just fine, heck we play DOMINION vs. FED PvP already in Jupiter Force and those are LockBox Ships!!!
We can easily do KDF vs Rom or FED vs ROM once we get there.
But we will not be able to play Rom VS Fed VS Kdf in one map, because there are just no 3 Team Maps... yet.
And we the players WANTED the Romulan Faction to bring some new Spice to PvP, more so than just a few new Ships to shoot at.
We also WANTED Romulans to add some new spice to DOffing too, new Chains / Assignments / and proper Romulan DOffs too (Romulans are Xenophobic, i just don't see a lot of Klingons, Dosi and Karemma DOffs serving on a Warbird).
A Romulan Fleetstarbase Sink... i think we can all agree that we do not want a THIRD Super Sink until we are done with the FED and KDF Bases... and until the Small Fleets are happy how they get along.
Not in the least, Romulans have their own storyline for the first 40 levels and then borrow their end game content from other factions. It means a couple of things. One Feds will all roll romulans so they can play with cloaks AND still use Federation ships from their old starbases on their new Romulan characters. It also means Romulans are lacking end game content of their own and that Cyptic doesn't have doffs, lockbox ships, or Starbases for them. Probably not enough c-store ships to boot. However, all of those things are what makes Cryptic most of their money. DStahtl doesn have to to say we did this to make money and programming lives easier, but feel free to read between the lines.
You must not play KDF. If you did you know the track record of half assing the faction. Almost all of the KDF level 25 missions and up are Federation missions with KDF logo stitched on. The end game content is entirely the same. Yet we are considered a faction :rolleyes: I for one play PvP at endgame after a character reaches 50. Otherwise I'd blow my brains out from chasing bunnies and doing the same 3 STF's over and over again. And that about to be romulan vs. romulan. Kind of like its Domion vs. Dominion now.
If it was temporary, and they said they need more time to fully flesh out the end game fro the faction I would have been ok with it. But reserving the option and working to finish are not the same and they clearly said reserve the option. This is the intended end game for Romulans. Peace on New Romulus, Kow Tow to races they hate and Civil War outside of New Romulus.
I see no upside to this situation from a player perspective to be frank but maybe my perception is skewed since I've been waiting for years to play a PROPER Romulan faction on equal footing with the others. Well now the KDF will feel less screwed since team green is getting less than they did at start in my opinion.
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Really Romulans are getting 1-40 of their own story...KDF did not get a story at all.
Regarding the kdf, the romulan species get a fair amount of story and missions which sounds good compared to what the kdf have had for such a long time. The huge problem is the end result. Which is carving the faction in half. Faction ship sharing is an awful idea. And romulan fighting romulan. Furthermore people wanting to play reman have to unlock them..... But the romulan republic surely would make romulans and remens equals? But it don't really sound very equal.
It is a total experience evaluation methinks. Story is one point to consider but given it[KDF] was promoted as a PvP faction from day one, story would not be a high priority in my mind if I was designing the game for what it is worth. Anyway, I think if someone sat down listed all the elements of a faction and rated them equally the KDF will come out with more checks.
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Explain this please
"START AS ANY FACTION
Create your first character as a member of the Federation, Klingon Empire, or Romulan Republic and level your captain from 1 to 50."
I copied this from the LoR teaser site
An explanation is due and we players would like to hear it. :mad::mad:
Thank You! This was very helpful! But now i'm so blown-away my head is spinning!
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This post is:
- Up to date with what is known of Ask Cryptic and subsequent Dstahl postings.
- a personal opinion
- The view of someone who loves Romulans and will likely play one still...
- Somewhere opinions can be shared in a calm manner, agree with my views or not and why...
This is not:
- A flame war
- A place for trolls, they can go back to their caves and sharpen their teeth.
So here it is.
We all know from Ask Cryptic that Romulans will have to choose an Alliance with Feds or KDF, share starbase and queues. So far, I have not heard of said players to have to "fold into" either faction and give up their green stuff. So, why no.... There was 3 scenarios before even the March 21st reveal:
Worst case:
Players can start as a romulan captain, however will have to choose a side and completely fold into its new home faction. No home base, no green UI, nothing personal except ships and uniforms only them can fly/use.
Practical:
Players can start in the romulan faction, have their own homebase, stories, ships costumes and so on. However, for practical reasons (fleet size, queue length...), they have to ally with the other 2 factions for use of SB and pvp/pve queues. So they are a full faction, just not SB.... yet.
Dreamed:
Romulan Republic is pretty much having all what Federation (and KDF to a lesser extent) has, UI, ships, uniforms, gated social zones to Feds, SB and so on.... I see it being portrayed as such in March 21st reveal.
I will be blunt, from previous hints and posts from the devs, the 'red' options seemed to have been their path, it was 'easy' to take and implement...
People wanted the 'green' (no punt intended) but, for now, Cryptic seemed to have chosen a (orange) medium path that is both practical and leaving the door open to still a full independent faction.... Who knows, the RR may rebel and find 'isolation' back behind some sort of a neutral zone once SB is given to them...
So, to all of you Romulans, the green is still here in full force... just rejoice in what is coming May 21st. I know I will and still roll a romulan toon. I feel I will be able to do about everything without interacting much with my "allied" faction except in queues and STFs, which is faction neutral as of today anyway...
Second, so much hate... not just at the announcement but at anyone who dares disagree with an opposing view. How is any of that helpful?
Myself, as a big fan of both Romulans and Klingons, can see some of the Rom fans anger and understand it. But, venting that anger in such a fashion, especially at other players, will accomplish nothing before May. Don't believe me? Check out almost any KDF forum thread and see how well it has worked over there.
As this game is a mmoRPg I intend to do as I have done with each Alt/toon/char/whatever in this game and use a little imagination.
I fully intend to roll a Romulan (although I'd prefer a Reman and want clarification as to whether a Romulan has to unlock Reman on an account or if my Fed/KDF can unlock it so my first GREEN alt is Reman). When the time comes for me to choose an ally (KDF every time) I choose to see this in a similar fashion to the choices I make in my repuation system. Do I have more shield regen or critical hit chance? Do I go to a starbase overpopulated with tribbles or have a roaring fire? Put some RP into MMORPG.
I don't want to see a Romulan flying a Defiant any more than many (and I stress MANY, because it is not all) of the Romulan fans. Nor do I want to see them flying a Hegh'ta... but, from an established (if hotly debated) canon point of view, it makes more sense this way than the other.
I have a KDF fleet with 4 members (3 of them me
To those who STILL say it is unfair to have anything at all, please remember the KDF, who started with little, got handed scraps and told it was enough and have been promised much for this May but told little. Will we finally be finished after 3 years? Time will tell.
But ask yourself this, sons and daughters of Romulus and Remii...
...would you prefer to wait another year, maybe longer, to have the RSE of your dreams (with the potential that STO doesn't last that long, because NOONE can predict the future) or can you be satisfied with more than the KDF got at the start and the potential for improvement along the way?
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And you will be right. The kdf only lacked story missions to take them from 1-50. It was a problem but in my case it wasn't my 2 kdf toons levelled they way of true warrior thru fighting all those enemies of the Klingon empire.
But I like you always remember them being a pvp faction but the popularity of them exploded. Cryptic never fixed that problem early as they should have done and it remained a problem for 3 years. They are now making a new problem because they are underestimating romulan popularity and what's worse is underestimating the the drive and determination of it's player base. If they think doing a problem in reverse is better they are very much mistaken. Content 1-50 then you find your faction is torn apart more and ends up fight each other in some else's war. It is all shades of wrong
If you checked the LoR teaser site we were supposed to be able to be roms and remans but i guess cryptic decided a lie in the face is better then a truth in the ear.
But we are getting what we want, just not exactly what we want. Given time I am sure they will fix this if they start to focus on more important things rather than just grind and nerf.
Am I totally happy, no but not much I can do about it, like many of you I am only a paying customer.
And so they should, they have been in the game for 3 years and was promised before launch to be a full faction, it was only a couple of months before release that the PvP faction excuse came up. The Romulans have been in game for what minus (-) 2 months? Give Cryptic time, Rome wasn't built in a day. Payable Romulans, start any faction from the start and more KDF content, it's a win already despite being a little mislead and not getting exactly what was implied to us.
by the way, may i have your sign in my signature? Its a nice banner.
I can live with what we got i am content with atleast being a rom
what boils my blood is the bold faced lie they told all of us.
I mean go to the LoR teaser sire and this is what you will find
"START AS ANY FACTION
Create your first character as a member of the Federation, Klingon Empire, or Romulan Republic and level your captain from 1 to 50."
So does it say that roms must be KDF or FED?
This was a bold faced lie not just a mislead but an all and out lie thats one thing that just makes me madder then an old wet hen.
If cryptic had been honest from the get go i wouldnt be mad but happy but im mad because they lied to all of us.
I concur. There is a part of the decision process that we simply are not being told yet - if ever it seems.
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Personally I like the new Romulans better then the old Romulans. We all ready have an empire about conquest and glory. I find the idea of playing revolutionaries and part time mercanies with a slight Space Roman/Space Elf and Space Orcs flavour exciting.
The TNG outfits were sooo ugly and the hair was all the same too.
The Ships were awesome and the elements that echoed