Why not just be honest from the get go and say you were making playable romulans with romulan ships for fed and kdf? People would have been excited about that.
Nobody likes being mislead.
It's not the hard working developers fault that it's going down like this, it's the people who decided not to be honest about its fault.
People like romulans and like romulans ships and have wanted to fly them for a long time, but again, nobody likes being sold a bill of goods. Whoever the PR people are that put the announcements and promotional materials together are the ones who deserve the blame, and they're the ones who hamstrung the hard working developers with their shenanigans.
What did they think would happen when the truth came out?
You know, when a new faction is being added you do actually kind of expect everything the existing factions can do and maybe more being added across all factions at the same time. So, we can't create a "Romulan" fleet, only a FED or KDF side fleet ran by a Romulan character. If they wanted to add to peoples existing fleets they could have just allowed Romulans to create a Romulan fleet and then decide which faction they'd like to work closely with and ally their fleet with a FED or KDF fleet adding maybe a Romulan HQ Holdings Tab so the FED & ROM chars can contribute to each others progress.
This could have also been introduced with the option to link your KDF Fleet to your FED fleet in regards to only viewing progress and roster as well as talking with all members in your group regardless of what faction they are on.
I always say nothing is written in stone, so I hope what I've read in Ask Cryptic today is subject to change and can maybe look at these suggestions and offer a full faction.
Wow, can't believe people crying about being mislead. So we won't get a fully independent Romulan faction. The reasons why makes sense both from a story and from a gameplay perspective, if you don't like it, don't play, it's not like you paid anything for it.
Playable romulans for kdf and fed are being added.
All their gibberish is just a way to obfuscate the fact that with the romulans, you create a character and then select whether it will be fed or kdf.
Well yeah, if you take into account no "Romulan" fleet / starbase etc. Hence my suggestion.... I'd just like to see everything that's currently available to FED / KDF be available to the new faction and more. If they want us to ally up so nobody is really struggling again with separate characters in another faction and more projects to complete, a fleet allegiance to your choosing of KDF or FED would be the way to do it IMO.
Give the hard working team some credit for everything they've been working on by reserving your opinions until you actually play it. It will be free to play and free to download the expansion. If you want to judge something you haven't played just based on a description, then sorry, you're missing some of the best content we've ever made.
I have no doubt that the content will be excellent, nor do I question the skill, hard work, and dedication of the STO team. That has zero impact on my disapointment over a Romulan faction that is beholden to another faction.
Many people are hearing "choose an ally" and thinking that you become FED or KDF and that is not true. You remain a Romulan. You don't lose your identity. You don't lose your faction's goal. Your ally is there to help you - to give you tech - to give you ships and help you stand up against the Tal Shiar. Even in game right now, New Romulans are looking to both Klingons and the Federation to help, and this is just an extension of that. So it is not about you dropping what your goals are and reporting into Admiral Quinn now. You report to the Romulan Republic.
I have to join my allies fleets and use their base to get their tech. That is pretty much joining their faction at that point.
We shouldn't be forming alliances, our government should. And if our allies want to send us tech and ships, all well and good. The US and UK are allies, we share tech and work jointly, but the US doesn't build their bases for them and tell their navy they have to be part of US fleets.
There should be Romulan fleets and starbases, and they should get access to Fed/KDF tech by doing Fleet "Reputation" projects that give access to units you want to have sharable.
If players want to be Fed/KDF romulans so they don't have to lose their investments, there are some great guides around that show how to use the alien gen to make them.
This also allows for cross faction teaming. Something that encourages group gameplay and can be fun.
Anyone who wants a 3rd queue faction hasn't played a Klingon. As I said before, that isn't good for the game. We allow cross faction teaming because it allows more people to play together.
End the KDF/Fed war and allow cross faction teaming then for everyone. PvP can be wargames. You're already ignoring the war 90% of the time anyhow, and a war more like the Dominion war, where 3 wholly independent factions work together for the greater good while having their own goals would be a great model.
If only 12% of players are KDF, then only 12% of Romulans will be. Why would I go KDf and lose access to all that Fed gear in my zen ships?
If you really want to fix the population issues in the game end the dang war already.
Many people are hearing "choose an ally" and thinking that you become FED or KDF and that is not true. You remain a Romulan. You don't lose your identity. You don't lose your faction's goal. Your ally is there to help you - to give you tech - to give you ships and help you stand up against the Tal Shiar. Even in game right now, New Romulans are looking to both Klingons and the Federation to help, and this is just an extension of that. So it is not about you dropping what your goals are and reporting into Admiral Quinn now. You report to the Romulan Republic.
See daniel,
and there lays the core of the problem. Most people want to play as True Romulan, not as some dressed in rags guy from some backwater planet pretending to be a romulan.
You guys are handling the Romulans like their entire industry, resources etc all just vanished over night, when in fact just their Capital planet did. Ignoring all the other worlds potential.
Do the factories in california stop working when Washington dc vanishes? No, of cours enot. then why handle the Roms like theirs did?
I can understand the ally concept from a gameplay point, it allows them to get access to the latest fleet shinys without having first to grind their way to to them over several months, putting them on the same playing field with the feds and kdf.
But i think the whole story line could be handled better.
and i still want the liberated romulan borg at start
This whole Romulin faction now seems illogical base on statements by Dstal, why would you spend the time and money that could of been better spent providing content for the Federation and some dribblings to the KDF, only to make a faction that only a handful of the player base is going to play anyhow according to Cyptic. Seems like a waste of time. Make a Romulin race playable by the Feds and KDF and sell Romulin lockboxes and they would made hell of lot more money that way.
You might want to practice what you preach, and not mislead us with teasers and countdowns that directly led people to assume things that apparently you did not intend.
We WANT to play Romulans.
We just don't want to play watered down I Can't Believe It's Not Romulans that go running to the cover of other factions at the first sign of trouble.
If that were true, then why is the decision to join a faction "permanent"?
Hey, I want to play a KDF mission as a Fed.
What do you mean I can't? I want to!
And if I play it and still have these criticisms? What then? You can't use that defence forever.
It is not my fault that I and many like me have not liked anything we've heard at all.
The fact is, we feel disappointed, and we feel mislead. Whatever comes of this we've already had many of our thoughts and ambitions for the Romulan faction squashed, and we have a right to be upset.
Please stop using WE and try using I. You do not speak for me or for most people that play STO. Unless you were elected as some STO forum spokesperson that no one knows about.
Please stop using WE and try using I. You do not speak for me or for most people that play STO. Unless you were elected as some STO forum spokesperson that no one knows about.
Well if this keeps up then I think this thread will be locked like the JHAS pet thread even though at least a dev attempted to intervene in this thread.
No Romulan Starbase ... but let me use yours because we are friends? What about those Romulan fleets that want to be independent? Some Rom fans are not going to like this.
You misspelled Romulans and second why do you guys believe yourself to be represent the majority of players? If you don't then please ignore that question because I must have misunderstood something.
This whole Romulin faction now seems illogical base on statements by Dstal, why would you spend the time and money that could of been better spent providing content for the Federation and some dribblings to the KDF, only to make a faction that only a handful of the player base is going to play anyhow according to Cyptic. Seems like a waste of time. Make a Romulin race playable by the Feds and KDF and sell Romulin lockboxes and they would made hell of lot more money that way.
Well maybe but Washingtons population is much smaller comparitivily speaking. There would be country wide disruptions due to the shock as well as a power vacuum. This could lead to a civil war. The power vacum is one of the elements that has been mentioned but not mentioned loud enough so people are missing it. You have 3 factions (maybe more) now within Romulan space trying to take power or figure out how its going to play out. So its not out of the realm of possibility for this to be happening. The Feds and KDF are willing to help the one faction that appears to be the most trustworthy. Also don't assume that either the KDF or Feds don't have their own motives for wanting to help New Romulus and we may not know what that is for some time.
Also remember when you start Mar 21st your starting at a time prior to New Romulus and working your way to the present day. So in essence your choosing a side prior to New Romulus being around.
It is saddening that the Romulans have been lumped into the ques and loyalties of other factions. They were always an intimidating and powerful foe, and thats what many of us who are fans wanted to be. I understand that they were weakened by the Hobus detonation and that the story so far has portrayed a plethora of weaknesses. In truth, it is likely that the constraints of budgets and time are what limited the factions independence. That is completely understandable, but there are a few things to keep in mind that might help resolve these issues.
After the Dominion war the Romulans were deemed the largest threat to the federation by star fleets most in the know faction, section 31. In ST Nemisis, Romulans had become the masters of a technology that could eviscerate all life on a planet in a matter of moments. Even before this power gave a Romulan ship the power to mend two layers of shields and countless disrupters they bent black holes to their will. The nature of a black hole consumes instead of giving, so their method of energy capture was likely similar in nature to the tech that made the DS9 minefield possible (zero point energy?). So by the nature of their own power source, Romulans excel at taking nothing and thriving with it. The same could be said for their empires creation after the sundering from Vulcan. Some very cool mythology could be created based on the Aeneid, and harkened back to as the Romulans rebuild their strength.
But most of all, the Romulans are the masters of deception, even deus ex machina could be utilized with them with little justification and be acceptable. Their nature makes it easy to justify, and easy to write too I hope.
Cheers for making this a reality, good luck on dealing with the problems it has caused, both logically and with the fan base.
Your ally is there to help you - to give you tech - to give you ships and help you stand up against the Tal Shiar.
See, this is my main issue. I still don't understand why all player Romulans are railroaded into this story. Why can't we choose between Republic, Empire, or Tal Shiar? I guess I'll wait and see what the story is like (because I will certainly be playing a Romulan) but I suspect I will end up roleplaying my character as a member of the Empire.
Unless you're going to say that every Romulan has joined the Republic, leaving the Empire behind? Other than the Tal Shiar, that is... but that doesn't make much sense, given that Sela was only abducted at the end of the Romulan story.
Romulans are splintered and there are factions within the Romulan Empire...
The New Romulan storyline will dive deeper into the underlying darkness threatening the galaxy than any species has thus far and by the time they finish their storyline, it will be clear why New Romulus needs to exist and why we chose to have players play Romulan citizens rather than the Tal Shiar. Future Feature Episode series will continue the story from this point.
I certainly hope things are made clear. I don't think the Republic is the only interesting faction to play. Maybe the Tal Shiar are too much of the bad guy, but I think the Empire itself wouldn't be so bad to play.
I understand trying to make things fun, and using existing assets, but I think that most people who wanted a Romulan faction wanted a series style Empire faction. Additionally, this sets a bad precedent for future factions. Will every new faction have to take sides in the Fed / KDF war, even if they have no vested interest in it?
You misspelled Romulans and second why do you guys believe yourself to be represent the majority of players? If you don't then please ignore that question because I must have misunderstood something.
Correcting one misspelled letter does not make you smarter, never said we are the majority but there are more of us then you think.
Listen never ever say that you think most people feel one way or another on something without solid proof which I believe that most people don't give a cra one way or the other for romulan empire or romulan republic but do I have proof? No I don't. But however its highly likely that most people just play the game to have fun and don't care as long as they can use romulans.
I and meny people in my fleets wonted to start a new fleet as 100% rom only, not some half baked playable rom u should just added them as z-store unlocks for both factions and added new ships to z-store as well instead of missleading people play as 3 factions yer right. :mad::mad::mad:
I open blame PWE for this, Cryptic most like got told to finish as fast they could and this what happens .I bet they where going to make a real faction and not some heft-back one where you have to choose FED or KDF .
I do hope for something better after this maybe just maybe they add things that make feel like whole faction . Then again it could be better then we think time well tell us.
Oh yeah, and he's recruited Fed and KDF spies to help build his little themepark. And he's giving the Romulan tech to our enemies! And he's even going around calling his little woodstock "New Romulus" like he's the real authority. RSE would crush him like a bug, instead he's giving center stage. Tal'Shiar should not even be the bad guys here, they are heroes to the RSE for trying to kill him [except they aren't trying to kill him, they are trying to control him, which is also kind of weird].
D'Tan faction is a mistake. I was hoping they would find a way out from under it.
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She is speaking for a lot players like me, if dont like the whining now avoid the forums in may. I like the new UI , but it wont go over well either.
You know, when a new faction is being added you do actually kind of expect everything the existing factions can do and maybe more being added across all factions at the same time. So, we can't create a "Romulan" fleet, only a FED or KDF side fleet ran by a Romulan character. If they wanted to add to peoples existing fleets they could have just allowed Romulans to create a Romulan fleet and then decide which faction they'd like to work closely with and ally their fleet with a FED or KDF fleet adding maybe a Romulan HQ Holdings Tab so the FED & ROM chars can contribute to each others progress.
This could have also been introduced with the option to link your KDF Fleet to your FED fleet in regards to only viewing progress and roster as well as talking with all members in your group regardless of what faction they are on.
I always say nothing is written in stone, so I hope what I've read in Ask Cryptic today is subject to change and can maybe look at these suggestions and offer a full faction.
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Well yeah, if you take into account no "Romulan" fleet / starbase etc. Hence my suggestion.... I'd just like to see everything that's currently available to FED / KDF be available to the new faction and more. If they want us to ally up so nobody is really struggling again with separate characters in another faction and more projects to complete, a fleet allegiance to your choosing of KDF or FED would be the way to do it IMO.
I have no doubt that the content will be excellent, nor do I question the skill, hard work, and dedication of the STO team. That has zero impact on my disapointment over a Romulan faction that is beholden to another faction.
I have to join my allies fleets and use their base to get their tech. That is pretty much joining their faction at that point.
We shouldn't be forming alliances, our government should. And if our allies want to send us tech and ships, all well and good. The US and UK are allies, we share tech and work jointly, but the US doesn't build their bases for them and tell their navy they have to be part of US fleets.
There should be Romulan fleets and starbases, and they should get access to Fed/KDF tech by doing Fleet "Reputation" projects that give access to units you want to have sharable.
If players want to be Fed/KDF romulans so they don't have to lose their investments, there are some great guides around that show how to use the alien gen to make them.
End the KDF/Fed war and allow cross faction teaming then for everyone. PvP can be wargames. You're already ignoring the war 90% of the time anyhow, and a war more like the Dominion war, where 3 wholly independent factions work together for the greater good while having their own goals would be a great model.
If only 12% of players are KDF, then only 12% of Romulans will be. Why would I go KDf and lose access to all that Fed gear in my zen ships?
If you really want to fix the population issues in the game end the dang war already.
See daniel,
and there lays the core of the problem. Most people want to play as True Romulan, not as some dressed in rags guy from some backwater planet pretending to be a romulan.
You guys are handling the Romulans like their entire industry, resources etc all just vanished over night, when in fact just their Capital planet did. Ignoring all the other worlds potential.
Do the factories in california stop working when Washington dc vanishes? No, of cours enot. then why handle the Roms like theirs did?
I can understand the ally concept from a gameplay point, it allows them to get access to the latest fleet shinys without having first to grind their way to to them over several months, putting them on the same playing field with the feds and kdf.
But i think the whole story line could be handled better.
and i still want the liberated romulan borg at start
Please stop using WE and try using I. You do not speak for me or for most people that play STO. Unless you were elected as some STO forum spokesperson that no one knows about.
She speaks for unhappy Romulin players , not you.
You misspelled Romulans and second why do you guys believe yourself to be represent the majority of players? If you don't then please ignore that question because I must have misunderstood something.
Well, to be fair, in the shows the Romulans' plans are usually pretty awful and easily countered.
After all, they were duped into the Dominion War by a tailor and a Starfleet Officer.
Well maybe but Washingtons population is much smaller comparitivily speaking. There would be country wide disruptions due to the shock as well as a power vacuum. This could lead to a civil war. The power vacum is one of the elements that has been mentioned but not mentioned loud enough so people are missing it. You have 3 factions (maybe more) now within Romulan space trying to take power or figure out how its going to play out. So its not out of the realm of possibility for this to be happening. The Feds and KDF are willing to help the one faction that appears to be the most trustworthy. Also don't assume that either the KDF or Feds don't have their own motives for wanting to help New Romulus and we may not know what that is for some time.
Also remember when you start Mar 21st your starting at a time prior to New Romulus and working your way to the present day. So in essence your choosing a side prior to New Romulus being around.
It is saddening that the Romulans have been lumped into the ques and loyalties of other factions. They were always an intimidating and powerful foe, and thats what many of us who are fans wanted to be. I understand that they were weakened by the Hobus detonation and that the story so far has portrayed a plethora of weaknesses. In truth, it is likely that the constraints of budgets and time are what limited the factions independence. That is completely understandable, but there are a few things to keep in mind that might help resolve these issues.
After the Dominion war the Romulans were deemed the largest threat to the federation by star fleets most in the know faction, section 31. In ST Nemisis, Romulans had become the masters of a technology that could eviscerate all life on a planet in a matter of moments. Even before this power gave a Romulan ship the power to mend two layers of shields and countless disrupters they bent black holes to their will. The nature of a black hole consumes instead of giving, so their method of energy capture was likely similar in nature to the tech that made the DS9 minefield possible (zero point energy?). So by the nature of their own power source, Romulans excel at taking nothing and thriving with it. The same could be said for their empires creation after the sundering from Vulcan. Some very cool mythology could be created based on the Aeneid, and harkened back to as the Romulans rebuild their strength.
But most of all, the Romulans are the masters of deception, even deus ex machina could be utilized with them with little justification and be acceptable. Their nature makes it easy to justify, and easy to write too I hope.
Cheers for making this a reality, good luck on dealing with the problems it has caused, both logically and with the fan base.
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See, this is my main issue. I still don't understand why all player Romulans are railroaded into this story. Why can't we choose between Republic, Empire, or Tal Shiar? I guess I'll wait and see what the story is like (because I will certainly be playing a Romulan) but I suspect I will end up roleplaying my character as a member of the Empire.
Unless you're going to say that every Romulan has joined the Republic, leaving the Empire behind? Other than the Tal Shiar, that is... but that doesn't make much sense, given that Sela was only abducted at the end of the Romulan story.
I certainly hope things are made clear. I don't think the Republic is the only interesting faction to play. Maybe the Tal Shiar are too much of the bad guy, but I think the Empire itself wouldn't be so bad to play.
I understand trying to make things fun, and using existing assets, but I think that most people who wanted a Romulan faction wanted a series style Empire faction. Additionally, this sets a bad precedent for future factions. Will every new faction have to take sides in the Fed / KDF war, even if they have no vested interest in it?
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Correcting one misspelled letter does not make you smarter, never said we are the majority but there are more of us then you think.
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I and meny people in my fleets wonted to start a new fleet as 100% rom only, not some half baked playable rom u should just added them as z-store unlocks for both factions and added new ships to z-store as well instead of missleading people play as 3 factions yer right. :mad::mad::mad:
I do hope for something better after this maybe just maybe they add things that make feel like whole faction . Then again it could be better then we think time well tell us.
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