Listen never ever say that you think most people feel one way or another on something without solid proof which I believe that most people don't give a cra one way or the other for romulan empire or romulan republic but do I have proof? No I don't. But however its highly likely that most people just play the game to have fun and don't care as long as they can use romulans.
I never did in any of my posts on anything, only that there are going to be more people disspaointed by this news then you think. We will see in may.
Correcting one misspelled letter does not make you smarter, never said we are the majority but there are more of us then you think.
I never said it did make me smarter I was simply pointing it out. I'm sure there might be more of you than I think there is but most likely not much more. You've assumed 2 things now and you know what they say when you assume...
On another note what I said about assuming could be redirected at me since I am assuming that you are a very insignificant few.
Listen never ever say that you think most people feel one way or another on something without solid proof which I believe that most people don't give a cra one way or the other for romulan empire or romulan republic but do I have proof? No I don't. But however its highly likely that most people just play the game to have fun and don't care as long as they can use romulans.
no u should never say something with out proof
so here goes in my fed n kdf fleets all the members have been on about is great new story ark new sister rom fleet. which we cant realy make cos there have to join KDF/FED. why would we make a new fleet when both fed/kdf are all ready tier4 we would of to see a new rom base but not to re-grind the old bases.
ill play the content if i can but im on a lower spec comp and it wont let me load tribble up so guess this year ill find other F2P games to spend my money on.
no u should never say something with out proof
so here goes in my fed n kdf fleets all the members have been on about is great new story ark new sister rom fleet. which we cant realy make cos there have to join KDF/FED. why would we make a new fleet when both fed/kdf are all ready tier4 we would of to see a new rom base but not to re-grind the old bases.
ill play the content if i can but im on a lower spec comp and it wont let me load tribble up so guess this year ill find other F2P games to spend my money on.
I specifically stated that I didn't have proof in the quote that you made but also leaving a game simply cuz they do something you don't like is not respectable I mean seriously why rage quit just because of something like that? If anything rage quitting from SWTOR is actually respectable as that game has one of the worst F2P models ever conceived so I would not suggest that game if you do end up rage quitting anyway.
I noticed several Romulan fleets starting up just after LoR was announced. I was thinking about joining one of them myself.
Obviously numerous people were interested in "starting over" just to be able to play as Romulans.
Cryptic and their defenders severely underestimate the playerbase to their own detriment.
I know I was it was going to be like day 1 all over again no fleets that had been set up for 3 years and so on
My main concern is how does joining the federation and klingon factions in terms of allies, effect long term progressions?
And What I mean by this dan is that when romulans get starbases, which technically you say is the only real thing they are missing that would indeed make them a faction in the sense that people could go out and soley make romulan based fleets rather joining current federation or kdf ones. How will these romulans eventually be able to make there own fleets? Will KDF sided romulans be able to team up with fed sided roms to make fleets? Even that doesnt make sense. How does a republic romulan "group" split up and fight each other being on different sides???
Urg. Doublebummer. The already at release outdatet Klingon / Federation war not ended & the pand.. ehh romulans get dragged in to have to choose a side.
We WANT to play Romulans.
We just don't want to play watered down I Can't Believe It's Not Romulans that go running to the cover of other factions at the first sign of trouble.
Then don't play the Romulan expansion if that's how you feel. Frankly, it amazes me how you seem to have nothing better to do than to whine about something that may not be as bad as you claim it to be.
If that were true, then why is the decision to join a faction "permanent"?
Where in the information that has been provide does it state that you join the faction of your ally?
And if I play it and still have these criticisms? What then? You can't use that defence forever.
It is not my fault that I and many like me have not liked anything we've heard at all.
The fact is, we feel disappointed, and we feel mislead. Whatever comes of this we've already had many of our thoughts and ambitions for the Romulan faction squashed, and we have a right to be upset.
That's fine, if you want to still make criticisms, but make sure that they're constructive and not filled with biased hatred of a decision that you may not agree is the best decision.
Please stop using WE and try using I. You do not speak for me or for most people that play STO. Unless you were elected as some STO forum spokesperson that no one knows about.
Dan, the problem is that you did not even attempt to get input from your playerbase on this! When you were getting ready to start on the faction, you should have started a poll or survey to see what the community wanted, and you didn't! Instead, you went with this cutting corners alternative straight out of World of War Craft. You basically made the Romulans into Pandaren. When the teaser page went up, it indicates that you would have a full 1-50 roulan, and there is no information that states you would pick a side to go with. THAT is why the community is up in arms about this.
I honestly hope you dont do this with the next faction, or STO may just die. It may not even recover from a blunder this big.
EDIT: Had to make it 2 words, apparently its a banned word here.
So is The Gates of Gre'thor, ever done it with a non-Klingon? its so ... ridiculous because its made FROM the Klingons point of view, doesnt work if ANYONE, be it the players character or the bridge officers is a not Klingon because they are VERY out of character.
This is how us KDF players feel when playing the FE's, they aren't Klingon but Federation missions.
This doesnt work when the missions are not reflecting what FACTION you are, this is a long standing complain from KDF players they get Fed missions refurnished when its FE and those actually TRY to be Faction Neutral.
Romulan Missions should NOT be Faction Neutral and so they will stick out as "YOU DONT BELONG HERE" if you are not a Romulan.
Romulan missions should not be faction neutral? Don't you mean all factions missions should not be faction neutral? This is a long standing problem with the KDF faction, as stated yourself.
Support the Game by Supporting the KDF, equality and uniqueness for all factions!
From what I've read of this I think some people may be misunderstanding the faction choice bit. The Romulans will have level 1-50 of story. It's just that you will play most of it as an ally of the fed or Klingons. This affects only pvp and fleet missions. It also means that as a Romulan you can get access to Klingon or federation gear as well. This is how I read the Q&A.
You might want to practice what you preach, and not mislead us with teasers and countdowns that directly led people to assume things that apparently you did not intend.
On the site it states:
Create your first character as a member of the Federation, Klingon Empire, or Romulan Republic and level your captain from 1 to 50.
^^^
Does it say "Play as a member of the Tal Shiar and the Pomulan Star Empire" anywhere on the site? If so, show me the text.
Also, DSthl and others have been talking about having a Romulan player start out with Romulan focused missions, and then at some point allying with either the KDF or Fed faction for MONTHS in interviews and threads on this very BBS.
As far as what the countdown 'implied' - near the end most thought is was a build up to the announcement to a Romulan Featured episode series - the fact they were adding playable Romulans was thought an outside chance at best - but still after the 'reveal' the text on the LoR website regarding what type of Romulan you play was what I've posted above.
About the ONLY thing that might have been 'implied' was that you'd get a Romulan Starbase system <--- trhat may be the extent of any misleading inferences. They also didn't wait all that long to clarify things as the Ask Cryptic was put up soon after the reveal; questions submitted, and the answers posted today with further clarifications on this BBS.
If they're trying to wifully mislead people; they're doing a pretty TRIBBLE-poor job of it.
Again, I'm not saying you don't have cause to be upset or angry because it's not what you personally thought it would be - but if you look at the statements being made in the press, and on this site leading up to the LoR site reveal; they pretty much stuck to what they said the implementation of the Romulan faction in STO would be if/when they put it in. They haven't mislead anyone who was following the discussion from various sources.
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If I were in dans posisition there would be alot of mysterious account deletions.
Just saying.
Maybe some people should be happy with what they have and stop complaining about things they don't have, or things they think they don't have.
The legacy of Romulis webpage had no mention of Romulan players having to join the Feds or Klingons. I made a thread the day the news hit about who was going to join the Green faction and it got a lot of response by people exicted for it. No Green faction means a lot of unhappy people who will whine. It will be much worse in may and the UI wont be a hit with a lot of people either all though I like it my self.
did anyone notice how dstahl said the story would be carried on for the romulans in future featured episodes? I did. you know what that implies? that there is no intent to expand on the romulan story after the initial release.
I'm not impressed with any of it so far
Stahl said earlier that the game's technology "doesn't allow" for new factions to be implemented any other way.
Assuming that's true, it's funny how this apparent fact has never once come up any other time he's been questioned on the possibility of new factions, or indeed when the Romulan "faction" was announced.
indeed. though a second question would be 'if this was actually true, how come both the feds and kdf are able to be separate factions?'
Even more incredulous because apparently the faction can work just fine and dandy independent up until level 10. My opinion is that Stahl is lying on this issue to deflect criticism. Only way it can be done, yeah. Right.
indeed
3 distinct factions would have required a lot more work than Cryptic is capable of undertaking
then the answer is simple: don't do it at all. if you can't do something right don't do it at all. better to allocate those resources to improving what already exists than doing something half assed
Oh, don't pull the generalization card out now, that's a flat-out total lie you just spouted. I wasn't mislead by Cryptic in ANY way at all. It's only those like you and linwei that feel mislead. So generalizing it to mean that everyone was mislead is completely false, and you know it.
except that misleading is exactly what they did. and its not the first time its happened. we have been both misled and flat out lied to in the past. if you are claiming otherwise than it is you who are lying. interesting how you single them out and belittle them to try to discredit anything they have said. this is not an opinion, its an established fact. want an example? how about the 'the kdf were always intended to be a pvp only faction....' line were fed, until flat out showing the dev proof that this was not true. thats just one example.
See this is why devs don't like posting on the forums almost every time they do it they get attacked.
blaming everyone but the people who created the misleading information to begin with isn't a good thing. the very fact that this thread has exploded should be a major red flag as to what they have done with the 'faction'
Why not just be honest from the get go and say you were making playable romulans with romulan ships for fed and kdf? People would have been excited about that.
Nobody likes being mislead.
It's not the hard working developers fault that it's going down like this, it's the people who decided not to be honest about its fault.
People like romulans and like romulans ships and have wanted to fly them for a long time, but again, nobody likes being sold a bill of goods. Whoever the PR people are that put the announcements and promotional materials together are the ones who deserve the blame, and they're the ones who hamstrung the hard working developers with their shenanigans.
What did they think would happen when the truth came out?
this.
Listen never ever say that you think most people feel one way or another on something without solid proof
the same could be said of not saying they don't feel that way either
which I believe that most people don't give a cra one way or the other for romulan empire or romulan republic
you immediately contradicted yourself you know
But however its highly likely that most people just play the game to have fun and don't care as long as they can use romulans.
many people pay considerable money on this game. yes, they do care. customers always care
If I were in dans posisition there would be alot of mysterious account deletions.
Just saying.
Maybe some people should be happy with what they have and stop complaining about things they don't have, or things they think they don't have.
in other words you would try to shut people up with threats and intimidation tactics instead of addressing WHY there is such an outrage going on? gee that won't come back on you at all
Upon further pondering about it I can imagine this fraction joining as a good OPTIONAL way for some individual captains while most other just stays friendly-neutral to bouth fed & kdf & doing their own romulan thing.
But as it is now its... curses, its like these new romulans are the new galactic woman of ill repute for the kdf & fed in this pvp excuse of a war in which they are dragged into to fight each other.
Romulan Captains. Killing each other. In the name of the Klingon Empire or in the name of the Federation. I'm not a hardcore trekker, but thats even too much for my stomach.
ntirely possible that there would be again North and South states, one helped by China, the other by Russia.
This is an apt enough analogy , except in our case , this is the equivalent of the center of the US getting nuked , so the West coast joins Russia while the East coast joins Canada .
Sure they would call it an 'alliance' , but no one is so naive as to believe that to be true .
I guess we have a president in STO -- the Gorn , Lethians , Orions have all "joined" the KFD and became nothing more then foot soldiers with next to zero identity of their own .
Think that having Denise Crosby will give the Rommy's 'identity' ?
With a competent writing team I might think so .
With Cryptic , she will only serve as a semi-official stamp to their mutilation of the Romulan people .
Cryptic took the Romulan isolationist view point of "we want NONE of you" to a 180 degree turn and now the Romulans "want" to be either KDF or Fed .
And the fans are cheering ... as everything that was unique and different about the Romulans get's wiped away ... because 'this is just a game' .
No Romulan pride left ... , just bad fan fiction ... and pretty ships to pew-pew in ... most of the same content you pew-pew'd twice before .
Romulan Captains. Killing each other. In the name of the Klingon Empire or in the name of the Federation. I'm not a hardcore trekker, but thats even too much for my stomach.
That's pretty much how I feel. I was fine with the Romulan Republic angle. I was fine with working to overthrow the Imperial government. But this? I was expecting disappointing news eventually, but I figured it would be something about the Z-store. This... this is worse than I expected. When they said "Romulan faction", I was expecting a Romulan faction.
But as it is now its... curses, its like these new romulans are the new galactic woman of ill repute for the kdf & fed in this pvp excuse of a war in which they are dragged into to fight each other.
I thought that slot was taken up by Orions. :P
Let us wear Swimsuits on Foundry maps or bridges please! I would pay zen for that.
I actually like the idea of the Romulans joining with either the Federation or the Empire. Firstly, it makes sense with where the Romulans are at in STO. This isn't set in one of the TV series after all. Not to mention the fact that allying with someone doesn't mean you give yourself wholeheartedly and I suspect the Romulans will have a blade pointed at their ally's back.
Secondly, it means I don't have to help another fleet grind out a starbase from scratch (which would mean neglecting my Fed and Klingon fleets).
I can understand why the idea of Romulans basically fighting each other in PvP makes little sense, but then the Federation-Klingon war never made any real sense to me anyway.
All in all, I'm looking forward to rolling my first Romulan alt.
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the Tal'Shiar should not even be the bad guys here, they are heroes to the RSE for trying to kill him [except they aren't trying to kill him, they are trying to control him, which is also kind of weird].
D'Tan faction is a mistake. I was hoping they would find a way out from under it.
But see ... controling D'Tan wold mean controlling (or at least manipulating) D'Tan's influence over the Remans , the Feds and the KDF .
You don't have to sit on the throne ... just control the puppet who does and thus have all of his supposed power & influence .
Yes , I have to agree that the Tal'Shiar would have been the real heroes of the Romulan people if ... IF ... they themselves were not the puppets of the Iconians .
Hey but on the bright side , the Dominion and the Borg will be joining the Feds/Kdf soon(TM) ... .
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I never did in any of my posts on anything, only that there are going to be more people disspaointed by this news then you think. We will see in may.
I never said it did make me smarter I was simply pointing it out. I'm sure there might be more of you than I think there is but most likely not much more. You've assumed 2 things now and you know what they say when you assume...
On another note what I said about assuming could be redirected at me since I am assuming that you are a very insignificant few.
That post was directed at someone else.
I stand corrected then , besides if you think the whining about Romuluns is bad wait tell the new UI change hits the masses in may.
no u should never say something with out proof
so here goes in my fed n kdf fleets all the members have been on about is great new story ark new sister rom fleet. which we cant realy make cos there have to join KDF/FED. why would we make a new fleet when both fed/kdf are all ready tier4 we would of to see a new rom base but not to re-grind the old bases.
ill play the content if i can but im on a lower spec comp and it wont let me load tribble up so guess this year ill find other F2P games to spend my money on.
I specifically stated that I didn't have proof in the quote that you made but also leaving a game simply cuz they do something you don't like is not respectable I mean seriously why rage quit just because of something like that? If anything rage quitting from SWTOR is actually respectable as that game has one of the worst F2P models ever conceived so I would not suggest that game if you do end up rage quitting anyway.
I know I was it was going to be like day 1 all over again no fleets that had been set up for 3 years and so on
system Lord Baal is dead
so if my Romulan toon chooses to join the KDF, and my friends join FED, will we be able to queue for PVE & fleet actions together?
And What I mean by this dan is that when romulans get starbases, which technically you say is the only real thing they are missing that would indeed make them a faction in the sense that people could go out and soley make romulan based fleets rather joining current federation or kdf ones. How will these romulans eventually be able to make there own fleets? Will KDF sided romulans be able to team up with fed sided roms to make fleets? Even that doesnt make sense. How does a republic romulan "group" split up and fight each other being on different sides???
Where in the information that has been provide does it state that you join the faction of your ally?
That's fine, if you want to still make criticisms, but make sure that they're constructive and not filled with biased hatred of a decision that you may not agree is the best decision.
well they do for me :rolleyes:
system Lord Baal is dead
Dan, the problem is that you did not even attempt to get input from your playerbase on this! When you were getting ready to start on the faction, you should have started a poll or survey to see what the community wanted, and you didn't! Instead, you went with this cutting corners alternative straight out of World of War Craft. You basically made the Romulans into Pandaren. When the teaser page went up, it indicates that you would have a full 1-50 roulan, and there is no information that states you would pick a side to go with. THAT is why the community is up in arms about this.
I honestly hope you dont do this with the next faction, or STO may just die. It may not even recover from a blunder this big.
EDIT: Had to make it 2 words, apparently its a banned word here.
This is how us KDF players feel when playing the FE's, they aren't Klingon but Federation missions.
Romulan missions should not be faction neutral? Don't you mean all factions missions should not be faction neutral? This is a long standing problem with the KDF faction, as stated yourself.
would that be a frog in a liquidiser.
glad to see you will be giving a free space for the romulan character to live in, thank you very much for that it is greatfully appreciated.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Just saying.
Maybe some people should be happy with what they have and stop complaining about things they don't have, or things they think they don't have.
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On the site it states:
^^^
Does it say "Play as a member of the Tal Shiar and the Pomulan Star Empire" anywhere on the site? If so, show me the text.
Also, DSthl and others have been talking about having a Romulan player start out with Romulan focused missions, and then at some point allying with either the KDF or Fed faction for MONTHS in interviews and threads on this very BBS.
As far as what the countdown 'implied' - near the end most thought is was a build up to the announcement to a Romulan Featured episode series - the fact they were adding playable Romulans was thought an outside chance at best - but still after the 'reveal' the text on the LoR website regarding what type of Romulan you play was what I've posted above.
About the ONLY thing that might have been 'implied' was that you'd get a Romulan Starbase system <--- trhat may be the extent of any misleading inferences. They also didn't wait all that long to clarify things as the Ask Cryptic was put up soon after the reveal; questions submitted, and the answers posted today with further clarifications on this BBS.
If they're trying to wifully mislead people; they're doing a pretty TRIBBLE-poor job of it.
Again, I'm not saying you don't have cause to be upset or angry because it's not what you personally thought it would be - but if you look at the statements being made in the press, and on this site leading up to the LoR site reveal; they pretty much stuck to what they said the implementation of the Romulan faction in STO would be if/when they put it in. They haven't mislead anyone who was following the discussion from various sources.
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The legacy of Romulis webpage had no mention of Romulan players having to join the Feds or Klingons. I made a thread the day the news hit about who was going to join the Green faction and it got a lot of response by people exicted for it. No Green faction means a lot of unhappy people who will whine. It will be much worse in may and the UI wont be a hit with a lot of people either all though I like it my self.
I'm not impressed with any of it so far
indeed. though a second question would be 'if this was actually true, how come both the feds and kdf are able to be separate factions?'
indeed
then the answer is simple: don't do it at all. if you can't do something right don't do it at all. better to allocate those resources to improving what already exists than doing something half assed
except that misleading is exactly what they did. and its not the first time its happened. we have been both misled and flat out lied to in the past. if you are claiming otherwise than it is you who are lying. interesting how you single them out and belittle them to try to discredit anything they have said. this is not an opinion, its an established fact. want an example? how about the 'the kdf were always intended to be a pvp only faction....' line were fed, until flat out showing the dev proof that this was not true. thats just one example.
blaming everyone but the people who created the misleading information to begin with isn't a good thing. the very fact that this thread has exploded should be a major red flag as to what they have done with the 'faction'
this.
the same could be said of not saying they don't feel that way either
you immediately contradicted yourself you know
many people pay considerable money on this game. yes, they do care. customers always care
in other words you would try to shut people up with threats and intimidation tactics instead of addressing WHY there is such an outrage going on? gee that won't come back on you at all
But as it is now its... curses, its like these new romulans are the new galactic woman of ill repute for the kdf & fed in this pvp excuse of a war in which they are dragged into to fight each other.
Romulan Captains. Killing each other. In the name of the Klingon Empire or in the name of the Federation. I'm not a hardcore trekker, but thats even too much for my stomach.
This is an apt enough analogy , except in our case , this is the equivalent of the center of the US getting nuked , so the West coast joins Russia while the East coast joins Canada .
Sure they would call it an 'alliance' , but no one is so naive as to believe that to be true .
I guess we have a president in STO -- the Gorn , Lethians , Orions have all "joined" the KFD and became nothing more then foot soldiers with next to zero identity of their own .
Think that having Denise Crosby will give the Rommy's 'identity' ?
With a competent writing team I might think so .
With Cryptic , she will only serve as a semi-official stamp to their mutilation of the Romulan people .
Cryptic took the Romulan isolationist view point of "we want NONE of you" to a 180 degree turn and now the Romulans "want" to be either KDF or Fed .
And the fans are cheering ... as everything that was unique and different about the Romulans get's wiped away ... because 'this is just a game' .
No Romulan pride left ... , just bad fan fiction ... and pretty ships to pew-pew in ... most of the same content you pew-pew'd twice before .
That's pretty much how I feel. I was fine with the Romulan Republic angle. I was fine with working to overthrow the Imperial government. But this? I was expecting disappointing news eventually, but I figured it would be something about the Z-store. This... this is worse than I expected. When they said "Romulan faction", I was expecting a Romulan faction.
Oh haven't you heard the cheering ?
ESD & Quonos full of Romulans !!!
What could be better then that ??? :rolleyes:
(notice my stomach is turning as I type this post)
I thought that slot was taken up by Orions. :P
Secondly, it means I don't have to help another fleet grind out a starbase from scratch (which would mean neglecting my Fed and Klingon fleets).
I can understand why the idea of Romulans basically fighting each other in PvP makes little sense, but then the Federation-Klingon war never made any real sense to me anyway.
All in all, I'm looking forward to rolling my first Romulan alt.
K'ymara, Orion Engineer. Caedera of Borg, Liberated Borg Tactical, Elyza Vix, Joined Trill Scientist. Christina Bellona, Augmented Human Tactical.
T'Lana, Vulcan Scientist. Arbol, Martian Tactical. Ayzer Bryn, Joined Trill Engineer. Hawke, Betazoid Scientist. Karna Valkras, Klingon Engineer. Beth Parker, Human Tactical
Sarel, Romulan Engineer (Federation). Yazuri, Reman Scientist (KDF)
But see ... controling D'Tan wold mean controlling (or at least manipulating) D'Tan's influence over the Remans , the Feds and the KDF .
You don't have to sit on the throne ... just control the puppet who does and thus have all of his supposed power & influence .
Yes , I have to agree that the Tal'Shiar would have been the real heroes of the Romulan people if ... IF ... they themselves were not the puppets of the Iconians .
Hey but on the bright side , the Dominion and the Borg will be joining the Feds/Kdf soon(TM) ... .