Oh, don't pull the generalization card out now, that's a flat-out total lie you just spouted. I wasn't mislead by Cryptic in ANY way at all. It's only those like you and linwei that feel mislead. So generalizing it to mean that everyone was mislead is completely false, and you know it.
Not quite, it'll be up when they have it ready, it was never going to be put on Tribble right away anyway.
no they where lazy because they decide to show the option but oh wait you cant get it yet just like they dont say its not a real faction till it comes out and is announced
" Now the gate has been unlatched headstones pushed aside; corpses shift and offer room ,a fate you must abide."
I'm sorry but if you can't admit that the hype they were building up, the countdown, the teaser pictures and all that were misleading then you're being disingenuous.
Heck they never said anything about this on the day LoR was announced and didn't until this Ask Cryptic, deliberately letting players hype ourselves up and discuss the possibilities.
Right. Exactly my point. The only difference is that I feel like when push comes to shove, having MY whim catered to is preferable to having YOUR whim catered to. Again, I suspect the choice was not between the current system or your ideal, it was between the current system or NOTHING, and I think something you don't quite like is better than nothing at all.
But then I have been accused of being a pragmatist.
I don't buy that. At all. Cryptic keeps talking about how great things have been going for them, how they have increased their staff, and how we're getting this EXPANSION!!! with a NEW FACTION!
When what we're really getting is a half-baked bunch of space-pirate Pandaren.
It really seems like they just rubber stamped the first idea that they came up with, based on how little effort it would take to implement.
I posted it before, but if the effort to create and implement an actual new faction would've required charging for the (in this case actual) expansion, I and many others would've been willing to pay.
Instead of creatively addressing potential problems, Cryptic threw up their hands and went with the most short-sighted, quite frankly lazy plan they possibly could.
It probably doesn't hurt that the best Romulan ships will no doubt be on the z-store and available to all three factions - easily rationalized under this "ally" poppycock.
I'm sorry but if you can't admit that the hype they were building up, the countdown, the teaser pictures and all that were misleading then you're being disingenuous.
Heck they never said anything about this on the day LoR was announced and didn't until this Ask Cryptic, deliberately letting players hype ourselves up and discuss the possibilities.
I think the biggest issue for alot of people is how cryptic mislead everyone and didnt say anything till now.
But they did say something before now. They were talking about how this exact system would be the most likely way Romulans would get into the game for a good while before now. We had plenty of warning that this is how it could have turned out.
It's hardly Cryptic's fault if you didn't listen to/weren't around for those podcasts and the resulting discussion threads.
Everyone thought Romulins was a third playable faction tell today. The Legacy of Romulis webpage said nothing about having to pick the feds or klingons to side with.
Oh how cute, you're playing the monopolization game are you?
Being the only one to do it doesn't mean you get to do it badly. That kind of attitude has generated enough schlock and garbage in this world, thank you.
Actually, pretty much the definition of being a monopoly is that you can do whatever you want, because there is no competition. Cryptic has no moral obligation to meet your mighty aesthetic standards, anymore than you have an obligation to pay money for a product you evidently don't like. I maintain that Cryptic is actually doing a pretty great thing when they could likely have made almost as much gross income off of just selling Romulan ships sans faction, and would have thus had a much higher profit. You don't see it that way. That's fine, but please stop confusing your personal feelings and opinions as somehow superior to anyone else's. The only way to know for sure who's right from a business perspective is to see what happens, but I'm betting on Cryptic.
But they did say something before now. They were talking about how this exact system would be the most likely way Romulans would get into the game for a good while before now. We had plenty of warning that this is how it could have turned out.
It's hardly Cryptic's fault if you didn't listen to/weren't around for those podcasts and the resulting discussion threads.
Everyone thought Romulins was a third playable faction tell today. The Legacy of Romulis webpage said nothing about having to pick the feds or klingons to side with.
Yup one of the many ways cryptic mislead all of us
Actually, pretty much the definition of being a monopoly is that you can do whatever you want, because there is no competition. Cryptic has no moral obligation to meet your mighty aesthetic standards, anymore than you have an obligation to pay money for a product you evidently don't like. I maintain that Cryptic is actually doing a pretty great thing when they could likely have made almost as much gross income off of just selling Romulan ships sans faction, and would have thus had a much higher profit. You don't see it that way. That's fine, but please stop confusing your personal feelings and opinions as somehow superior to anyone else's. The only way to know for sure who's right from a business perspective is to see what happens, but I'm betting on Cryptic.
How so we've upgraded from "I accept mediocrity" to "It could be worse!"
My that's positively ambitious for you.
They talked about doing the Romulans as Pandaren, but I'm pretty sure that was well before Perfect World took over, and their staff size increased. The forum response then was pretty negative, as I recall.
This may take awhile as my knowledge of podcast interviews is hardly encyclopedic but I'll do my best.
If anyone with a better memory could provide it before me, please do.
Not everyone listens to podcast and cryptic could have quashed this when they did the 'BIG" reveal even the LoR site says nothing about joining fed or kdf.
Weve been mislead and lied to i can live with a rom micro faction but cannot stand being mislead or lied to when cryptic couldve came right out and said something.
Because many customers have spent money to purchase exclusive ships and have spent countless hours of effort to build up starbases and fleet holdings. We are trying to be as open as possible with the Romulans to respect the investments that have been made in the game. That is why you are seeing people post "thank you for considering that" threads when it comes to Starbases. We haven't ruled out allowing Romulan Starbases in the future, but for now, we're limiting it to existing Fed or KDF faction holdings.
I've spent a lot of money on this game, and being one of the other factions hoes isn't the experience I was looking for as a Romulan.
I'm not in a big fleet, we predated Starbases, and since they were originally sold as doable but slow we gave it a shot. We aren't even T1, this was a chance to start over and get into the whole fleet system with a bunch of like minded Romulan players. Now its find a mega fleet or grind again with the possibility of having to grind it yet again in the future if you ever decide to really make a Romulan faction.
Whats ironic is that you are doing this to help offset countless hours on starbases, but what about my countless hours on Reputation and Boffs and Doffs and Accolades and Rep Gear and Crafting and Borg Red Alerts and Bound Lokcbox items and Bound Lobi items? I guess that stuff doesn't count.
The "maybe one day Romulan Starbases" is pretty empty, we'll still be split form part of our faction, and we'd have to give up our fleets an all we got from those starbases. That's a pretty TRIBBLE situation, might as well not even bother at that point.
By your logic, a pie in the face is better than no pie at all.
Honestly I had a much longer explanation about how your analogy failed, and was really nothing more than a strawman, but then I decided to just take you up on it.
Yes, if I had to choose between never having any pie ever again, or having pie in my face before I ate it, I would probably choose face pie over no pie. Again, though, I'm a pragmatist. I maintain that what Romulan players are getting is not anywhere near as insulting and crude as a pie in the face (or the forum favorite meme "Slap in the face"), but that's because I tend only to get really upset about things that matter, like nuclear war and bad arguments on internet forums.
Again, if you feel insulted or slighted or betrayed, or whatever, that's fine. Just realize that probably the vast majority of paying customers don't share your sentiments.
Suavek: <wallotext snippage> I won't ask when it's going to come out, as I understand how much work such undertaking requires, but I'll ask this - What is the current concept you're leaning toward when planning the playable Romulan faction? <more wallotext snippage>
Dstahl: The idea that I like best is one where Romulans can be a playable race that can ultimately side with either the FED or KDF, but not necessitate having numerous factions at end game. This allows existing Fleets and Factions to all benefit from having new playable races that are somewhat like their own faction, but not necessarily a third faction in the grand scheme of things. There are a lot of questions that plan would bring up, but this is the idea that resonates the most and would allow us the most flexibility to add new "factions" in the future while not shafting the KDF. In any case, Romulans would need their own starting story before they integrated into FED or KDF mission flows. Again, don't hold me to this design as it could easily change, but this is where the most possibilities exist for actually getting it into the game in a reasonable way.
I was certain there was talk about it in an audio interview, too, but I can't remember for the life of me whether it was Stahl or maybe Goatshark or Geko being interviewed. I'll keep poking around for that one to bolster my claim but the quoted instance is sufficient to prove it.
Because it is a faction. Choosing an ally is for your benefit, so that you gain access to their ships and their gear in addition to your exclusive faction based items.
Unlike your reference of Pandaran in WOW, Romulans have their own exclusive new ship class and combat mechanic, their own exclusive storyline and episodes, their own exclusive costumes, ther own exclusive ship costumes, and a leveling experience that is very similar to what the Feds had a launch prior to all the Feature Episode Series and not limited to just the 1-10 "starting area" like Pandaran are. Romulans have far more exlusive content than that, and the fact that we then give you all of the stuff from your chosen ally gives you twice as much which is the "best of two worlds" idea.
The only non-exclusive content that the Romulans play are the Feature Episode series (which are designed to be playable by any faction) and end game content which is also designed to be played by any faction. If you don't want to go play your allies missions after you've finished your exclusive storyline, then don't go play them. You can play without them. If you want the exclusive gear from Starbases, STFS, Reps, etc, then you'll have to play the missions that grant them just like everyone else. You aren't any different than the existing factions in that regard.
Question: Will Fleet versions of Romulan Disruptors be added to fleet starbases for thematic synergy with Romulans?
At what point will you force Romulans to pick a side? In theory could I play 1-50 and never pick a side and not join a fleet/ally with a faction?
Outside of PvP/War concerns why was the concession made to make Romulans pawns of other factions rather than a Neutral third party that could occasionally skirmish with the other two powers in faction agnostic PvP queues?
I'm very excited about the upcoming changes, although I am disappointed with the increase in level to Fleet Admiral. It's not that having a level increase is bad, it's that having millions of Fleet Admiral's flying around and going on away missions just seems really stupid. I think rank and level should be separate and everyone either starts as a low ranking officer until level 10 and get's their new ship and stays as a Captain or just starts as a Captain.
Just makes no sense having all these admirals.... but that's just my take on it anyway. Least I don't have to worry about making a 3rd fleet for my fleet lol
I was certain there was talk about it in an audio interview, too, but I can't remember for the life of me whether it was Stahl or maybe Goatshark or Geko being interviewed. I'll keep poking around for that one to bolster my claim but the quoted instance is sufficient to prove it.
You're welcome.
Funny I was just about to post that info myself but you beat me to it.
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I was certain there was talk about it in an audio interview, too, but I can't remember for the life of me whether it was Stahl or maybe Goatshark or Geko being interviewed. I'll keep poking around for that one to bolster my claim but the quoted instance is sufficient to prove it.
All I'll say is that it was a bad idea then, and a bad idea now, and never having read that I wasn't aware that this stupid idea was even mentioned before now.
As I'm sure that would've gotten a lot of negative reactions then too from those who did read it, it just goes to show that Stahl gives not one **** for our feedback.
I'm very excited about the upcoming changes, although I am disappointed with the increase in level to Fleet Admiral. It's not that having a level increase is bad, it's that having millions of Fleet Admiral's flying around and going on away missions just seems really stupid. I think rank and level should be separate and everyone either starts as a low ranking officer until level 10 and get's their new ship and stays as a Captain or just starts as a Captain.
Just makes no sense having all these admirals.... but that's just my take on it anyway. Least I don't have to worry about making a 3rd fleet for my fleet lol
Worse than that, all our gear we have spent a fortune on in STF's etc will now be obsolete and we will have to do it all over again. It wouldn't be so bad if the expense wasn't so far out of the roof that it's now orbiting Jupiter.
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How so we've upgraded from "I accept mediocrity" to "It could be worse!"
My that's positively ambitious for you.
Lol. Well argued. You've got your hipster's sense of entitlement and unearned sense of superiority going strong tonight. The only way it could be better is if you were wearing a sweater vest while listening to some band I've never heard of.
Now, do you have any actual disagreement with the fact that as a business decision, Cryptic made a pretty good compromise? Because if so, I think it got lost in all your snark and sarcasm.
Lol. Well argued. You've got your hipster's sense of entitlement and unearned sense of superiority going strong tonight. The only way it could be better is if you were wearing a sweater vest while listening to some band I've never heard of.
Now, do you have any actual disagreement with the fact that as a business decision, Cryptic made a pretty good compromise? Because if so, I think it got lost in all your snark and sarcasm.
I did, but you ignored my post. Main thing was that you've created a completely false dichotomy. The choice never was between "something" and "nothing".
Lol. Well argued. You've got your hipster's sense of entitlement and unearned sense of superiority going strong tonight. The only way it could be better is if you were wearing a sweater vest while listening to some band I've never heard of.
Yes, desiring a product that isn't tepid and a waste of time is certainly entitlement.
How dare I strive for quality! Full mediocre ahead!
Now, do you have any actual disagreement with the fact that as a business decision, Cryptic made a pretty good compromise? Because if so, I think it got lost in all your snark and sarcasm.
If you consider alienating a substantial amount of your paying customers to be a "good compromise", then why would I disagree?
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Id rather have a pie in the face then a skillet lop side my head
no they where lazy because they decide to show the option but oh wait you cant get it yet just like they dont say its not a real faction till it comes out and is announced
Heck they never said anything about this on the day LoR was announced and didn't until this Ask Cryptic, deliberately letting players hype ourselves up and discuss the possibilities.
I don't buy that. At all. Cryptic keeps talking about how great things have been going for them, how they have increased their staff, and how we're getting this EXPANSION!!! with a NEW FACTION!
When what we're really getting is a half-baked bunch of space-pirate Pandaren.
It really seems like they just rubber stamped the first idea that they came up with, based on how little effort it would take to implement.
I posted it before, but if the effort to create and implement an actual new faction would've required charging for the (in this case actual) expansion, I and many others would've been willing to pay.
Instead of creatively addressing potential problems, Cryptic threw up their hands and went with the most short-sighted, quite frankly lazy plan they possibly could.
It probably doesn't hurt that the best Romulan ships will no doubt be on the z-store and available to all three factions - easily rationalized under this "ally" poppycock.
I agree with you completley
But they did say something before now. They were talking about how this exact system would be the most likely way Romulans would get into the game for a good while before now. We had plenty of warning that this is how it could have turned out.
It's hardly Cryptic's fault if you didn't listen to/weren't around for those podcasts and the resulting discussion threads.
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Actually, pretty much the definition of being a monopoly is that you can do whatever you want, because there is no competition. Cryptic has no moral obligation to meet your mighty aesthetic standards, anymore than you have an obligation to pay money for a product you evidently don't like. I maintain that Cryptic is actually doing a pretty great thing when they could likely have made almost as much gross income off of just selling Romulan ships sans faction, and would have thus had a much higher profit. You don't see it that way. That's fine, but please stop confusing your personal feelings and opinions as somehow superior to anyone else's. The only way to know for sure who's right from a business perspective is to see what happens, but I'm betting on Cryptic.
Proof, please.
Yup one of the many ways cryptic mislead all of us
How so we've upgraded from "I accept mediocrity" to "It could be worse!"
My that's positively ambitious for you.
This may take awhile as my knowledge of podcast interviews is hardly encyclopedic but I'll do my best.
If anyone with a better memory could provide it before me, please do.
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They talked about doing the Romulans as Pandaren, but I'm pretty sure that was well before Perfect World took over, and their staff size increased. The forum response then was pretty negative, as I recall.
Not everyone listens to podcast and cryptic could have quashed this when they did the 'BIG" reveal even the LoR site says nothing about joining fed or kdf.
Weve been mislead and lied to i can live with a rom micro faction but cannot stand being mislead or lied to when cryptic couldve came right out and said something.
I think it was in his Raptr Question and Answer session late last year.
I've spent a lot of money on this game, and being one of the other factions hoes isn't the experience I was looking for as a Romulan.
I'm not in a big fleet, we predated Starbases, and since they were originally sold as doable but slow we gave it a shot. We aren't even T1, this was a chance to start over and get into the whole fleet system with a bunch of like minded Romulan players. Now its find a mega fleet or grind again with the possibility of having to grind it yet again in the future if you ever decide to really make a Romulan faction.
Whats ironic is that you are doing this to help offset countless hours on starbases, but what about my countless hours on Reputation and Boffs and Doffs and Accolades and Rep Gear and Crafting and Borg Red Alerts and Bound Lokcbox items and Bound Lobi items? I guess that stuff doesn't count.
The "maybe one day Romulan Starbases" is pretty empty, we'll still be split form part of our faction, and we'd have to give up our fleets an all we got from those starbases. That's a pretty TRIBBLE situation, might as well not even bother at that point.
Honestly I had a much longer explanation about how your analogy failed, and was really nothing more than a strawman, but then I decided to just take you up on it.
Yes, if I had to choose between never having any pie ever again, or having pie in my face before I ate it, I would probably choose face pie over no pie. Again, though, I'm a pragmatist. I maintain that what Romulan players are getting is not anywhere near as insulting and crude as a pie in the face (or the forum favorite meme "Slap in the face"), but that's because I tend only to get really upset about things that matter, like nuclear war and bad arguments on internet forums.
Again, if you feel insulted or slighted or betrayed, or whatever, that's fine. Just realize that probably the vast majority of paying customers don't share your sentiments.
Yup. Thanks a ton.
I was certain there was talk about it in an audio interview, too, but I can't remember for the life of me whether it was Stahl or maybe Goatshark or Geko being interviewed. I'll keep poking around for that one to bolster my claim but the quoted instance is sufficient to prove it.
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Question: Will Fleet versions of Romulan Disruptors be added to fleet starbases for thematic synergy with Romulans?
At what point will you force Romulans to pick a side? In theory could I play 1-50 and never pick a side and not join a fleet/ally with a faction?
Outside of PvP/War concerns why was the concession made to make Romulans pawns of other factions rather than a Neutral third party that could occasionally skirmish with the other two powers in faction agnostic PvP queues?
Just makes no sense having all these admirals.... but that's just my take on it anyway. Least I don't have to worry about making a 3rd fleet for my fleet lol
You're welcome.
Funny I was just about to post that info myself but you beat me to it.
All I'll say is that it was a bad idea then, and a bad idea now, and never having read that I wasn't aware that this stupid idea was even mentioned before now.
As I'm sure that would've gotten a lot of negative reactions then too from those who did read it, it just goes to show that Stahl gives not one **** for our feedback.
Worse than that, all our gear we have spent a fortune on in STF's etc will now be obsolete and we will have to do it all over again. It wouldn't be so bad if the expense wasn't so far out of the roof that it's now orbiting Jupiter.
Lol. Well argued. You've got your hipster's sense of entitlement and unearned sense of superiority going strong tonight. The only way it could be better is if you were wearing a sweater vest while listening to some band I've never heard of.
Now, do you have any actual disagreement with the fact that as a business decision, Cryptic made a pretty good compromise? Because if so, I think it got lost in all your snark and sarcasm.
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I did, but you ignored my post. Main thing was that you've created a completely false dichotomy. The choice never was between "something" and "nothing".
Yes, desiring a product that isn't tepid and a waste of time is certainly entitlement.
How dare I strive for quality! Full mediocre ahead!
If you consider alienating a substantial amount of your paying customers to be a "good compromise", then why would I disagree?