Reminds me of the Ruse Khan used to allow a Miranda to virtually destroy your beloved Connie, and in a few hours Kirk and his miracle working Engineer and Science officer got the engines restarted.
Perhaps we should flash forward to the B'rel sending poor old Enterprise to her grave.
:P
Die Die Die Die Die Connie DIE !!!!
The B'rel did no such thing. What movie were you watching?
Christ, look what you did, you have me defending the Connie now.
The B'rel did no such thing. What movie were you watching?
Christ, look what you did, you have me defending the Connie now.
Generations most likely; he never said which Enterprise, now did he?
though, considering he said 'Die Connie!!!!' right after, i would assume he was in fact referring to the Enterprise-A, or refit, whichever it was at that point
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I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
That was shenanigans, though. And it wasn't a B'rel, it was some other variant. One that got sacked because it sucked.
yep, a good ole D-12 that was retired due to defective plasma coils. I just watched that part a few days ago.
I am all for the Constellation, it was the same size as the Constitution II but with more volume, however I do believe it was poorly used, with four warp nacelles, how could it be underpowered unless Picard was comparing it to more modern vessels at the time (2350s).
Yet, the Victory, a Constellation, fought in the Dominion War, and according to non-on screen sources (The Starship Creator video game), the Victory fought at Wolf 359 and against the Klingons.
The Enterprise got owned in STIII because it had no crew, and Scotty's automated systems got fried.
The Enterprise-A was only at risk because the BoP could fire while cloaked.
The Enterprise-D's loss was entirely Riker's fault, and I can only assume he gave sexual favours to the highest ranked Admirals in Starfleet to not get court-martialled and demoted to cabin boy over that.
Where were all you Odyssey fans back when the contest winner was announced and the designer was being burned to a crisp in forum effigy in post after post?
The Enterprise-D's loss was entirely Riker's fault, and I can only assume he gave sexual favours to the highest ranked Admirals in Starfleet to not get court-martialled and demoted to cabin boy over that.
i haven't seen Generations in years, but i saw it plenty of times before to be able to recall major details with good clarity...however, i'm not recalling the cause of the fight or the Enterprise's loss being riker's fault; care to elaborate?
Where were all you Odyssey fans back when the contest winner was announced and the designer was being burned to a crisp in forum effigy in post after post?
well, personally, i didn't even know about the odyssey until the news article about it popped up on the launcher, but i read these forums almost every day back then, and i don't remember coming across anything even remotely like what you're describing
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
i haven't seen Generations in years, but i saw it plenty of times before to be able to recall major details with good clarity...however, i'm not recalling the cause of the fight or the Enterprise's loss being riker's fault; care to elaborate?
Instead of using his ship's firepower to immediately blow away the outdated, outmatched and underpowered Klingon garbage scow he has the Enterprise wallow around like a beached whale and wastes time coming up with a silly technobabble solution to the Klingons.
Also he puts Troi at the helm. People like to blame Troi for the resulting mess, but since Troi isn't a pilot and Riker is, it's entirely his fault.
How was it Riker's fault, the D was disabled in the first couple of volleys. Granted I would have called poppycock to the writers to at least make the BOP into something new and more OP.
Where were all you Odyssey fans back when the contest winner was announced and the designer was being burned to a crisp in forum effigy in post after post?
We were there. Just drowned out by what was arguably a prime example of the worst kind of Trek fans doing what they do best; resisting change with venom and vitriol.
What I'd like to know is how many of those fans have grown to like the ship since then.
Red Letter Media gives a really good review of the film. Worth googling and watching.
well, personally, i didn't even know about the odyssey until the news article about it popped up on the launcher, but i read these forums almost every day back then, and i don't remember coming across anything even remotely like what you're describing
That's odd because the thread about the contest was one of the biggest on the forums. And it was filled with hatred for the winning entry once it was announced. There was a crusade to get Cryptic to pick again. To pick anything but the Ody. There was an interview with the winner and he essentially said he wasn't planning on flying the ship or playing the game because of all the hatred. I'm not sure how you missed it. It was the biggest ball of fed-centered hatred since they released the MU unis to the C-Store.
I'm not sure how you missed it. It was the biggest ball of fed-centered hatred since they released the MU unis to the C-Store.
well, i started playing a few days before the game's 2nd anniversary, but didn't come to these forums until about a month later when i had gotten my KDF main to level 50 and was hunting STF walkthroughs and advice; when was the contest?
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
Where were all you Odyssey fans back when the contest winner was announced and the designer was being burned to a crisp in forum effigy in post after post?
I only started playing recently.
Mind you, I might have had a different opinion had I seen the other ships it beat out. If I saw it beat out a slew of other superior designs, I would likely have been salty as well.
Regarding the designation of the Chandley... The old FASA system classified ships according to a system more in keeping with the age of sail. That is, a Frigate was a large, powerful, yet menueverable warship.
In modern usage, a frigate is still a manueverable warship, but it is a small craft.
I'd agree, the Chandley would likely have been a larger (ie higher tier) ship, but I would probably have left it as an Escort, since escorts are ships designed for combat (as is the Chandley...).
As an aside, the designation "Escort" as used in STO is incorrect. The classes of ships should be "Warships," "Science Ships," and "Starships."
It certainly is a warship. It was a heavy troop carrier. Which is why I suggested making a homage to it into a carrier, replacing the troop carrying abilities with fighter carrying abilities.
I can see it as a multi-use carrier. Designed to carry ships, troops, or even colonization gear and supplies depending on need. That suits how starfleet designs warships generally. Designed to be useful outside of war.
A suitable buff that such a ship would get potentially would be to be a carrier, but have possibly two extra slots for Ground Doffs as well to cover the fact it is a troop carrier. This would be a useful feature.
We were there. Just drowned out by what was arguably a prime example of the worst kind of Trek fans doing what they do best; resisting change with venom and vitriol.
What I'd like to know is how many of those fans have grown to like the ship since then.
I have always thought the Odyssey looks like a giant space toilet.
On the other hand I've never particularly cared to talk about it, since there are far uglier ships in game and no ship will ever be as repulsive as the Jupiter.
The entire plot-line on how the Enterprise was destroyed in Generations was one of the only enjoyable aspects of the movie. Though putting Troi on helm was stupid as hell. I can somewhat see the logic, seeing as Riker cannot really give orders while piloting. However I have trouble seeing her as really the best choice of anyone on the bridge at the time, and considering she had command training and experience it was likely smarter for Riker to take helm and delegate barking orders to Troi.
Shame there wasn't a second Riker floating around somewhere, problem solved then!
As an aside; were I Picard I would have set up an interface that would allow Data to command multiple stations at a time if needed. He clearly can do it, and it would have solved the issues in that exact situation.
The B'rel did no such thing. What movie were you watching?
Christ, look what you did, you have me defending the Connie now.
Riiiiight, Like Kruge couldn't have finished off Kirks ship but held fire hoping to board and claim a huge prize of the genesis torpedo data, instead Kirk set the autodestruct and ran for his life.
Enterprise was killed by a B'rel regardless of Kirk dealing the final blow or not.
Before that, and it wasn't as bad as he makes out. I suspect a lot of sore losers were in the mix.
The Chandley was a horrible design, however, it did make it into Trek novels with its inclusion in Starfleet Corps of Engineers novel, Foundations.
You are the first person I have ever seen say they didn't like the Chandley.
Only criticism I have ever heard before was that it looked like a Connie saucer with D-7 wings added. Which is a valid statement, however design-wise it made sense (since it was a carrier) and I found it made it look pretty badass.
You are the first person I have ever seen say they didn't like the Chandley.
Only criticism I have ever heard before was that it looked like a Connie saucer with D-7 wings added. Which is a valid statement, however design-wise it made sense (since it was a carrier) and I found it made it look pretty badass.
*googles Chandley*
... good god it's like somebody made a Miranda out of play-doh then pulled it apart.
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
Riiiiight, Like Kruge couldn't have finished off Kirks ship but held fire hoping to board and claim a huge prize of the genesis torpedo data, instead Kirk set the autodestruct and ran for his life.
Enterprise was killed by a B'rel regardless of Kirk dealing the final blow or not.
Like I said, the Enterprise had no crew.
Kruge's only advantage was that he was cloaked, when that advantage was nullified, he himself said that the Enterprise outgunned him and should've blown him out of the sky.
I can somewhat see the logic, seeing as Riker cannot really give orders while piloting.
he certainly had no trouble giving orders while piloting the Enterprise-E in the briar patch...of course, he was piloting with a frikkin' joystick at the time...
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
I think that the Iconians are from another alternate universe that things are of a larger scale and that when they come we (with the infinite generosity of Cryptic and PWE) will be thoroughly spammed with every drop by Iconian Lockboxes full of T6 Constitution Class ships that will send our Oddysey class ships running for the stars and send people back to the forums crying (again) that they want to retrofit the UP Galaxy ships to be retrofited to T6 Galaxy class ships with 10 tactical slots so that they can drive back the Iconian Connies...
Seriously...
Although I would want one, the T5 Constitution does not fit; it does not make any since no matter how badly an episode of TNG might have been written. It's too old; it does not make any since that UFP would put any resources into Retrofiting such an old design.
Pull out your Ambassador Retrofit (if you managed to get one) and put a Constitution bridge pack on it. That's as close as we are likely to get.
Time would be better spent in trying to create TOS episodes that you could fly your TOS Constitution or Cruiser Refit against equivalent enemy ships and have TOS quality (or better) stories.
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The entire plot-line on how the Enterprise was destroyed in Generations was one of the only enjoyable aspects of the movie. Though putting Troi on helm was stupid as hell. I can somewhat see the logic, seeing as Riker cannot really give orders while piloting. However I have trouble seeing her as really the best choice of anyone on the bridge at the time, and considering she had command training and experience it was likely smarter for Riker to take helm and delegate barking orders to Troi.
Shame there wasn't a second Riker floating around somewhere, problem solved then!
As an aside; were I Picard I would have set up an interface that would allow Data to command multiple stations at a time if needed. He clearly can do it, and it would have solved the issues in that exact situation.
Riker knows the following things.
- He's a pilot.
- Shields can be remodulated.
- He outguns the BoP.
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
Like I said, the Enterprise had no crew.
Kruge's only advantage was that he was cloaked, when that advantage was nullified, he himself said that the Enterprise outgunned him and should've blown him out of the sky.
That doesn't change the fact that Enterprise faced a B'rel in battle, and lost.
Before that, and it wasn't as bad as he makes out. I suspect a lot of sore losers were in the mix.
The Chandley was a horrible design, however, it did make it into Trek novels with its inclusion in Starfleet Corps of Engineers novel, Foundations.
*Googles*
What in the blue blazes!?!?! It's the unholy love-child of the Defiant and a Connie! :eek::eek:
On the plus side, we are never getting the many fan-designed ships I've seen in my time. The Odyssey looks rather silly (If only the idea behind it is silly, did we really need a ship bigger than a Galaxy class? Really?) but it could have been worst. Much worse.
On the plus side, we are never getting the many fan-designed ships I've seen in my time. The Odyssey looks rather silly (If only the idea behind it is silly, did we really need a ship bigger than a Galaxy class? Really?) but it could have been worst. Much worse.
To be fair, that idea isn't just limited to the fans. Remember the Enterprise-J? *shudder*
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The B'rel did no such thing. What movie were you watching?
Christ, look what you did, you have me defending the Connie now.
Generations most likely; he never said which Enterprise, now did he?
though, considering he said 'Die Connie!!!!' right after, i would assume he was in fact referring to the Enterprise-A, or refit, whichever it was at that point
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
yep, a good ole D-12 that was retired due to defective plasma coils. I just watched that part a few days ago.
I am all for the Constellation, it was the same size as the Constitution II but with more volume, however I do believe it was poorly used, with four warp nacelles, how could it be underpowered unless Picard was comparing it to more modern vessels at the time (2350s).
Yet, the Victory, a Constellation, fought in the Dominion War, and according to non-on screen sources (The Starship Creator video game), the Victory fought at Wolf 359 and against the Klingons.
The Enterprise got owned in STIII because it had no crew, and Scotty's automated systems got fried.
The Enterprise-A was only at risk because the BoP could fire while cloaked.
The Enterprise-D's loss was entirely Riker's fault, and I can only assume he gave sexual favours to the highest ranked Admirals in Starfleet to not get court-martialled and demoted to cabin boy over that.
i haven't seen Generations in years, but i saw it plenty of times before to be able to recall major details with good clarity...however, i'm not recalling the cause of the fight or the Enterprise's loss being riker's fault; care to elaborate?
well, personally, i didn't even know about the odyssey until the news article about it popped up on the launcher, but i read these forums almost every day back then, and i don't remember coming across anything even remotely like what you're describing
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Instead of using his ship's firepower to immediately blow away the outdated, outmatched and underpowered Klingon garbage scow he has the Enterprise wallow around like a beached whale and wastes time coming up with a silly technobabble solution to the Klingons.
Also he puts Troi at the helm. People like to blame Troi for the resulting mess, but since Troi isn't a pilot and Riker is, it's entirely his fault.
We were there. Just drowned out by what was arguably a prime example of the worst kind of Trek fans doing what they do best; resisting change with venom and vitriol.
What I'd like to know is how many of those fans have grown to like the ship since then.
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That's odd because the thread about the contest was one of the biggest on the forums. And it was filled with hatred for the winning entry once it was announced. There was a crusade to get Cryptic to pick again. To pick anything but the Ody. There was an interview with the winner and he essentially said he wasn't planning on flying the ship or playing the game because of all the hatred. I'm not sure how you missed it. It was the biggest ball of fed-centered hatred since they released the MU unis to the C-Store.
well, i started playing a few days before the game's 2nd anniversary, but didn't come to these forums until about a month later when i had gotten my KDF main to level 50 and was hunting STF walkthroughs and advice; when was the contest?
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
I only started playing recently.
Mind you, I might have had a different opinion had I seen the other ships it beat out. If I saw it beat out a slew of other superior designs, I would likely have been salty as well.
It certainly is a warship. It was a heavy troop carrier. Which is why I suggested making a homage to it into a carrier, replacing the troop carrying abilities with fighter carrying abilities.
I can see it as a multi-use carrier. Designed to carry ships, troops, or even colonization gear and supplies depending on need. That suits how starfleet designs warships generally. Designed to be useful outside of war.
A suitable buff that such a ship would get potentially would be to be a carrier, but have possibly two extra slots for Ground Doffs as well to cover the fact it is a troop carrier. This would be a useful feature.
The Chandley was a horrible design, however, it did make it into Trek novels with its inclusion in Starfleet Corps of Engineers novel, Foundations.
I have always thought the Odyssey looks like a giant space toilet.
On the other hand I've never particularly cared to talk about it, since there are far uglier ships in game and no ship will ever be as repulsive as the Jupiter.
Shame there wasn't a second Riker floating around somewhere, problem solved then!
As an aside; were I Picard I would have set up an interface that would allow Data to command multiple stations at a time if needed. He clearly can do it, and it would have solved the issues in that exact situation.
Riiiiight, Like Kruge couldn't have finished off Kirks ship but held fire hoping to board and claim a huge prize of the genesis torpedo data, instead Kirk set the autodestruct and ran for his life.
Enterprise was killed by a B'rel regardless of Kirk dealing the final blow or not.
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You are the first person I have ever seen say they didn't like the Chandley.
Only criticism I have ever heard before was that it looked like a Connie saucer with D-7 wings added. Which is a valid statement, however design-wise it made sense (since it was a carrier) and I found it made it look pretty badass.
*googles Chandley*
... good god it's like somebody made a Miranda out of play-doh then pulled it apart.
or the chimera, which certainly lives up to its namesake
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Like I said, the Enterprise had no crew.
Kruge's only advantage was that he was cloaked, when that advantage was nullified, he himself said that the Enterprise outgunned him and should've blown him out of the sky.
he certainly had no trouble giving orders while piloting the Enterprise-E in the briar patch...of course, he was piloting with a frikkin' joystick at the time...
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
The T5 Connie argument...
I think that the Iconians are from another alternate universe that things are of a larger scale and that when they come we (with the infinite generosity of Cryptic and PWE) will be thoroughly spammed with every drop by Iconian Lockboxes full of T6 Constitution Class ships that will send our Oddysey class ships running for the stars and send people back to the forums crying (again) that they want to retrofit the UP Galaxy ships to be retrofited to T6 Galaxy class ships with 10 tactical slots so that they can drive back the Iconian Connies...
Seriously...
Although I would want one, the T5 Constitution does not fit; it does not make any since no matter how badly an episode of TNG might have been written. It's too old; it does not make any since that UFP would put any resources into Retrofiting such an old design.
Pull out your Ambassador Retrofit (if you managed to get one) and put a Constitution bridge pack on it. That's as close as we are likely to get.
Time would be better spent in trying to create TOS episodes that you could fly your TOS Constitution or Cruiser Refit against equivalent enemy ships and have TOS quality (or better) stories.
SCE ADVISORY NOTICE: Improper Impulse Engine maintenance can result in REAR THRUSTER LEAKAGE. ALWAYS have your work inspected by another qualified officer.
Riker knows the following things.
- He's a pilot.
- Shields can be remodulated.
- He outguns the BoP.
Therefore:
"Remodulate the shields!
"I'm taking the helm."
"Worf, make that ship die."
the OP isn't asking for a T5 Constitution, he's asking for a T5 Constellation; entirely different design of ship
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
That doesn't change the fact that Enterprise faced a B'rel in battle, and lost.
Awoken Dead
Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
*Googles*
What in the blue blazes!?!?! It's the unholy love-child of the Defiant and a Connie! :eek::eek:
On the plus side, we are never getting the many fan-designed ships I've seen in my time. The Odyssey looks rather silly (If only the idea behind it is silly, did we really need a ship bigger than a Galaxy class? Really?) but it could have been worst. Much worse.
To be fair, that idea isn't just limited to the fans. Remember the Enterprise-J? *shudder*