If the Romulan ship could move at warp speed, why didn't it? They had done their job and were on the way home. There was no reason for them to be dilly-dallying around, at all. And it wasn't to bait the Enterprise; for the first part of the episode, the Romulans didn't even know the Enterprise was there.
They were on their way home. At impulse speed.
It's simple, he was luring Kirk into plasma torpedo range. He talks about his mission to his first officer enough that we know the reason for his attacks. He was trying to lure a Federation ship into combat with his vessel. He knew that he had the firepower to destroy the Enterprise, and the advantage of being invisible.
You have to remember one thing about TOS - that it's terminology was all over the place.
What was a United Earth ship one episode would be the United Federation of Planets ship the next, the Enterprise was "Starship class", Vulcans are "Vulcanians" and so on.
Therefore, Scotty stating that the Romulan ship's "power is simple impulse" could just mean that their power generation is inferior to the Enterprise's, and given that Romulans never seem to catch on to using M/AM power cores (props to one species for not being fond of being powered by bombs I suppose), this fits right in.
Basically, the Enterprise had M/AM, the Romulan ship had only fusion reactors (which are what normally power impulse engines on Fed ships). Therefore, the Romulan ship would be far slower, but still has warp engines.
Note that Scotty never says that their ENGINES are impulse.
The big question in context of Romulans with warp speed is what certain terms actually mean.
Does "their power is simple impulse" mean it has only impulse engines, or just fusion reactors?
The way Star Trek's FTL works (pump plasma trough a series of coils) is just as possible with fusion generators.
The result will only be a lot less efficient, which would exlain why the Romulans were constantly talking about their fuel status.
If we assume "warp power" mean matter-antimatter then the Romulans got that technology from the Klingons, not FTL propulsion in general.
The distances in "Balance of Terror" also make no sense if the Romulan ship moved at a speed slower than warp, cloaked or not.
We see a moving dot representing the Enterprise on the viewscreen.
The Enterprise moves a "maximum speed" at it takes two or three minutes (the cutting makes it difficult to be certain) to move from one square on the pat to the other.
Maximum speed in the 1st season appeared to be warp 8 on the old scale (meaning 512 times the speed of light).
It took the Romulan ship an hour to get from one outpost to the next...which is frankly impossible when the Enteprise moves at several hundread times the speed of the Romulan ship and it still takes minutes to get there.
So IMO, the fuzzy terminology can lead to the assumption the Romulans don't have FTL, but the events of the show indicate otherwise..not to mention they don't exclude the possibility of FTL using fusion power either.
Exactly! Also... one point that gets lost a lot, is that Scotty was just talking about the observed speed. They had no way of knowing if the vessel was moving at top speed.
You have to remember one thing about TOS - that it's terminology was all over the place.
What was a United Earth ship one episode would be the United Federation of Planets ship the next, the Enterprise was "Starship class", Vulcans are "Vulcanians" and so on.
Therefore, Scotty stating that the Romulan ship's "power is simple impulse" could just mean that their power generation is inferior to the Enterprise's, and given that Romulans never seem to catch on to using M/AM power cores (props to one species for not being fond of being powered by bombs I suppose), this fits right in.
Basically, the Enterprise had M/AM, the Romulan ship had only fusion reactors (which are what normally power impulse engines on Fed ships). Therefore, the Romulan ship would be far slower, but still has warp engines.
Note that Scotty never says that their ENGINES are impulse.
Of course you do. But remember that particular poster calls anything she doesn't like, canon or not, things like "absurd" and "pathetic" and "moronic."
Of course you do. But remember that particular poster calls anything she doesn't like, canon or not, things like "absurd" and "pathetic" and "moronic."
So take it with a grain of salt.
Dude you can have your t5 Connie as far as I'm concerned, stop crying over that.
Wow...so much negative against the RR...I feel the need to respond.
I am actually happy with this and here is why.
Romulus and Remus got blown to bits and the Tal Shiar HELPED pretty much with Iconian Support. This gets out and makes many want to tear the TS a new one and by association, the RSE.
It is only fitting than that splinter factions rise up to challenge a corrupt regime.
Sometimes it is healthy for the game as a whole to look at the story from a different angle, and the Romulan Republic may present that.
We actually have no idea how the story will play out. Maybe Sela forms this Republic to eventually surplant the New Romulan Empire and whatever the Tal Shiar calls its piece of the pie.
Maybe the Republic will become the Empire.
We don't know. At least wait and see.
How the Devs see Star Trek, apparently:
Star Trek: The Original Grind
Star Trek: The Next Grind
Star Trek: Deep Space Grind
Star Trek: Voyage to the Grind
Vulcans had warp drive
Vulcans are Romulan at the cell level
Ergo
A vulcan (aware of earth for some time) sends a message to his distant cousin "Hey we found a planet thats almost Type V "
The romulans send a drone fleet on spec (along with hundreds of others including the one that later turned up in the delta quad and became the Borg according to some people)
Those things on the outside of the space shuttle aren't warp drives you know
Oh for the love of God I am getting sick to death of reading the word Canon, could this discussion get any more disgustingly nerdy?
For decades it's been an accepted fact that Romulans got warp Drive from the Klingons in exchange for Cloaking tech during the TOS era, before that they were flying around in nuclear powered tubs that took years to go anywhere and that's the way the story was before Enterprise came along and screwed everything up.
It's also commonly accepted that Spock was the first Vulcan in Starfleet, it doesn't make it correct.
There is no proof of an Alliance, I believe that a Romulan would be open to an alliance but why would a Klingon ally with them?
Romulans had warp drive before the 'alliance' they would be nothing in it for them except a few D-7 Battle Cruisers, a few ships in return for a Clocking Device, that would then give the Klingons a military step up to become on par with the Romulans, yup that's a good idea.
They only way the alliance could have ever happened is if it was a trade warp drive - clocking device, but despite some dubious arguments against, Romulans defiantly had warp drive in ENT, therefore in the Earth - Romulan war, therefor in TOS.
Whether the BOP had Warp Drive or not is inconsequential Romulans as a whole had it.
yes non canon
by definition anything AFTER Gene died is soft canon
like a Narnia novel written After C s Lewis died or me adding a new book to the bible
And the people who wrote Enterprise had not paid attention
Gene was part of a team, that team continued after his death, as members of the team left the remaining and new members of the team where allowed to continue the story, all TV and Film versions of trek are HARD canon weather you like It or not. CS Lewis had complete control over his works, no team there, Look at JRR Tolkien he passed down his rights to Christopher, or is The Silmarillion not canon?
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
There is no proof of an Alliance, I believe that a Romulan would be open to an alliance but why would a Klingon ally with them?.
In that case why would the Klingons ally with the Fedration?
The Soviet Union and the Western Allies were ideological enemies, yet fought against a common enemy. Really no difference with the Klingons and Romulans.
Like I posted before, in the TNG episode "The Neutral Zone" Worf commented on the Klingon-Romulan Alliance.
How the Devs see Star Trek, apparently:
Star Trek: The Original Grind
Star Trek: The Next Grind
Star Trek: Deep Space Grind
Star Trek: Voyage to the Grind
It's also commonly accepted that Spock was the first Vulcan in Starfleet, it doesn't make it correct.
^^
It's not commonly accepted at all as - there was NEVER a line spoken on screen in any TOS (or later) TV episode nor in any of the feature films to that effect -- and in fact given that in the TOS episode "The Imunity Syndrome"; there's a Star Fleet ship (the U.S.S. Intrepid) manned by a crew of 430 Vulcans <-- One if which has to be Captain rank, not to many Vulcan officers the same rank as Spock as well...
Thus, in the end, there's canon evidence showing Spock was not the first Vulcan in Star Fleet.:)
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If enterprise is accurate the borg were wiped out in TNG era due to data gathered by archer
But of course Enterprise is Barclay Trek
But lets assume its accurate
ok the Romulans HAD a form of warp drive
sadly over the years it killed a lot of crewmen due to bad shielding
it was abandoned for manned ships on orders of the Senate and everyone who knew how to make it was crucified (in the press)
by the TOS era ships no longer had viable warp drive and have mass reaction impulse systems (and thus can run out of Fuel)
The klingons had much safer warp tech (Warp drives closer to the hull) and better shielding (reactor not "shield")
The klingons therefore traded tech
Everyone is happy and Archer is allowed to be God again
as to Riker
Riker and Kirk are opposites
Kirk was a heroic figure who liked women
Riker was a nymphomaniac who occasionally did duty on a starhip bridge
Also other than when possessed Kirk stuck to women
Riker went for anything with a pulse
Gut check time fellas. It's March 26 and still there has been no action from Cryptic to put the sparkle back into the Romulan faction. The days keep on slipping by and they keep ignoring this thread and the heartfelt pleas of the diehard Romulan customers who want to shove their Romulan Green Money at them for Romulans with Spark!
This is almost epic in its fail. A travesty of legendary (orange item) proportions. What can we do to get Cryptic's attention and let them know that the Romulans will not be ignored?
A petition perhaps?
A boycott?
A strongly worded letter to Jack Emmert?
Think fellow Romulans. THINK! There must be something we can do. I was toying with the idea of taking some mining equipment back in time to 2010 and making the forums watch as I destroy the Starfleet faction right before their very eyes. But I don't know. I just didn't have the right tattoo to make it work.
Apparently we need some more lore breaking sure yeah that will help this game, more non canon mess put in there.
You do realize OP that the Romulan people were against the oppressive nature of their government and the government held them in chains with tactics much like the current governments of our world right? Doing anything they wish despite the call of the people and with little regard for safety justice or truth, the only difference is that the military was in much heavier use against the people then it is in most of the countries in our time.
If the people called for the reunification after the original government died then yes that means the new government is goody two shoes, sorry you don't like the storyline even before it's released.
According to Cryptic's metrics and a whole lot of DStahl posts over the past three years, that's not profitable.
If that was true why is Cryptic spending all the money and resources on making a new faction and finishing the KDF. Seems to be a bad move in that case.
OMG, not only that you seem to hate ENT, but you probably weren't paying any attention at all while you were watching it, if you were in fact, watching it.
In that case why would the Klingons ally with the Fedration?
The Soviet Union and the Western Allies were ideological enemies, yet fought against a common enemy. Really no difference with the Klingons and Romulans.
Like I posted before, in the TNG episode "The Neutral Zone" Worf commented on the Klingon-Romulan Alliance.
They became allies as it was the only way for the Empire to survive, by DS9 they where strong enough to stand alone, and did, until the Dominion war. The Neutral Zone comment showed that the had been allies (i.e. not at war) not that they where trading their military advantages over each other.
Besides the Kitomer stuff happened after the supposed alliance.
^^
It's not commonly accepted at all as - there was NEVER a line spoken on screen in any TOS (or later) TV episode nor in any of the feature films to that effect -- and in fact given that in the TOS episode "The Imunity Syndrome"; there's a Star Fleet ship (the U.S.S. Intrepid) manned by a crew of 430 Vulcans <-- One if which has to be Captain rank, not to many Vulcan officers the same rank as Spock as well...
Thus, in the end, there's canon evidence showing Spock was not the first Vulcan in Star Fleet.:)
I know, that was my point, it's not canon, but it was believed to the point where it was another complained against ENT for having T'Pol.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Polly was not a starfleet officer technically (she was more along the lines of an exchange student)
Also she may not have been entirely vulcan (as shown by the fact she slept with humans YUCK)
Gut check time fellas. It's March 26 and still there has been no action from Cryptic to put the sparkle back into the Romulan faction. The days keep on slipping by and they keep ignoring this thread and the heartfelt pleas of the diehard Romulan customers who want to shove their Romulan Green Money at them for Romulans with Spark!
This is almost epic in its fail. A travesty of legendary (orange item) proportions. What can we do to get Cryptic's attention and let them know that the Romulans will not be ignored?
A petition perhaps?
A boycott?
A strongly worded letter to Jack Emmert?
Think fellow Romulans. THINK! There must be something we can do. I was toying with the idea of taking some mining equipment back in time to 2010 and making the forums watch as I destroy the Starfleet faction right before their very eyes. But I don't know. I just didn't have the right tattoo to make it work.
What've you guys got?
Why, you're absolutely right sir!
The Romulans already lost their spark and at this pace they'll lose the war against the Federation and the Empire in a week after release and probably lose their faction by july!
I say bring on the Cardies, before it's too late and more damage is done! :P
Polly was not a starfleet officer technically (she was more along the lines of an exchange student)
Also she may not have been entirely vulcan (as shown by the fact she slept with humans YUCK)
By series 4 she was definitely a Starfleet officer.
As for the second one I really don't what to know you would sleep with if humans are off limits :P
She is defiantly a Vulcan and umm what species did Spock's dad sleep with to get little Spock? Is Sarek not a Vulcan?
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Wow...so much negative against the RR...I feel the need to respond.
I am actually happy with this and here is why.
Romulus and Remus got blown to bits and the Tal Shiar HELPED pretty much with Iconian Support. This gets out and makes many want to tear the TS a new one and by association, the RSE.
It is only fitting than that splinter factions rise up to challenge a corrupt regime.
Here is the thing. While we know the Tal Shiar were involved. We don't know that the RSE was involved. Specifically how much Sela and the Senate knew what was going on.
Given my limited knowledge of in game evens. I would say it is highly likely that the Tal Shiar acted without the knowledge of the Empress and Senate. Which is why I presented my own idea of how things would work with the Romulan Republic. Basically they are "splinter group" officially, but off the books as it were, They are taking orders from Sela and are loyal to her and the RSE (in whatever form it currently is)
They became allies as it was the only way for the Empire to survive, by DS9 they where strong enough to stand alone, and did, until the Dominion war.
They only broke the Alliance when the Federation condemed the attack on Cardassia, then came crawling back to DS9 when Cardassia joined the Dominion (technically the Alliance wasn't even reinstated yet). Yes, real strong.
not that they where trading their military advantages over each other.
Not stated that they didn't. However, as was posted before, it was the intention to have a Klingon-Romulan Alliance on screen during TOS. The Klingon D7s in "The Enterprise Incident" hints at that. Comments in TNG also hint at that.
The evidence, while circumstantial, does support a Klingon-Romulan Alliance. I'm not sure why your so adamntly apposed to that.
How the Devs see Star Trek, apparently:
Star Trek: The Original Grind
Star Trek: The Next Grind
Star Trek: Deep Space Grind
Star Trek: Voyage to the Grind
They only broke the Alliance when the Federation condemed the attack on Cardassia, then came crawling back to DS9 when Cardassia joined the Dominion (technically the Alliance wasn't even reinstated yet). Yes, real strong.
They where prepared to go to war with the Federation, not something done if you think you are outmatched.
So two peoples are automatically allies if they are not at war now? Hmm, better start importing some Cuban cigars.
You are really grasping at thin air and splitting hairs with that comment.
The USSR in WWII a shaky situation with Britain (and the USA). Probably the most apt analogy, did the USSR and USA share all their stuff?
Not stated that they didn't. However, as was posted before, it was the intention to have a Klingon-Romulan Alliance on screen during TOS. The Klingon D7s in "The Enterprise Incident" hints at that. Comments in TNG also hint at that.
Hints, but as they are just that they can be interpreted in different ways, there is just as much evidence for captured ships as there is for an alliance.
The evidence, while circumstantial, does support a Klingon-Romulan Alliance. I'm not sure why your so adamntly apposed to that.
Because it makes no sense and they are probably the last two races in the galaxy that are likely to form an alliance wit the exception of the Borg - Packled alliance.
Didn't Klingon ships in ENT have cloaks? Or am I miss remembering, if they did then the Alliance is even less likely than before.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Because it makes no sense and they are probably the last two races in the galaxy that are likely to form an alliance wit the exception of the Borg - Packled alliance.
Just you wait, there will be a Pakled - Kazon alliance someday! :eek:
Because it makes no sense and they are probably the last two races in the galaxy that are likely to form an alliance wit the exception of the Borg - Packled alliance.
And yet it still happened in DS9. Your standards of "likely" need work.
By series 4 she was definitely a Starfleet officer.
But not a real one (same as people who are given honorary rank when working with another military )
As for the second one I really don't what to know you would sleep with if humans are off limits
Vulcans should sleep with other Vulcans (once every 7 years) only
Humans with humans
Klingons with Klingons
Romulans with Romulans
And Betazoids with Betazoids
Borg with a blender
Bajorans with Bajorans
Cardassians with Cardassians
and of course Orions with Orions and wearing a gas mask and nose plugs
She is defiantly a Vulcan and umm what species did Spock's dad sleep with to get little Spock?
Ah but Spocks dad was a Romulan agent wasn't he (we all saw him in uniform)
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What was a United Earth ship one episode would be the United Federation of Planets ship the next, the Enterprise was "Starship class", Vulcans are "Vulcanians" and so on.
Therefore, Scotty stating that the Romulan ship's "power is simple impulse" could just mean that their power generation is inferior to the Enterprise's, and given that Romulans never seem to catch on to using M/AM power cores (props to one species for not being fond of being powered by bombs I suppose), this fits right in.
Basically, the Enterprise had M/AM, the Romulan ship had only fusion reactors (which are what normally power impulse engines on Fed ships). Therefore, the Romulan ship would be far slower, but still has warp engines.
Note that Scotty never says that their ENGINES are impulse.
Right, that nerdy enough for everyone? Good.
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So take it with a grain of salt.
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Impulse_reactor
Dude you can have your t5 Connie as far as I'm concerned, stop crying over that.
Or they can be just ornamentation to the grandness of some romulan engineer's male parts.
Of course, if something looks like a warp nacelle..... like romulan ships already had during ENT.... wait. ENT is canon. We all know that right?
I am actually happy with this and here is why.
Romulus and Remus got blown to bits and the Tal Shiar HELPED pretty much with Iconian Support. This gets out and makes many want to tear the TS a new one and by association, the RSE.
It is only fitting than that splinter factions rise up to challenge a corrupt regime.
More IDIC fail.
Sometimes it is healthy for the game as a whole to look at the story from a different angle, and the Romulan Republic may present that.
We actually have no idea how the story will play out. Maybe Sela forms this Republic to eventually surplant the New Romulan Empire and whatever the Tal Shiar calls its piece of the pie.
Maybe the Republic will become the Empire.
We don't know. At least wait and see.
Star Trek: The Original Grind
Star Trek: The Next Grind
Star Trek: Deep Space Grind
Star Trek: Voyage to the Grind
Vulcans are Romulan at the cell level
Ergo
A vulcan (aware of earth for some time) sends a message to his distant cousin "Hey we found a planet thats almost Type V "
The romulans send a drone fleet on spec (along with hundreds of others including the one that later turned up in the delta quad and became the Borg according to some people)
Those things on the outside of the space shuttle aren't warp drives you know
It's also commonly accepted that Spock was the first Vulcan in Starfleet, it doesn't make it correct.
There is no proof of an Alliance, I believe that a Romulan would be open to an alliance but why would a Klingon ally with them?
Romulans had warp drive before the 'alliance' they would be nothing in it for them except a few D-7 Battle Cruisers, a few ships in return for a Clocking Device, that would then give the Klingons a military step up to become on par with the Romulans, yup that's a good idea.
They only way the alliance could have ever happened is if it was a trade warp drive - clocking device, but despite some dubious arguments against, Romulans defiantly had warp drive in ENT, therefore in the Earth - Romulan war, therefor in TOS.
Whether the BOP had Warp Drive or not is inconsequential Romulans as a whole had it.
Gene was part of a team, that team continued after his death, as members of the team left the remaining and new members of the team where allowed to continue the story, all TV and Film versions of trek are HARD canon weather you like It or not. CS Lewis had complete control over his works, no team there, Look at JRR Tolkien he passed down his rights to Christopher, or is The Silmarillion not canon?
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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In that case why would the Klingons ally with the Fedration?
The Soviet Union and the Western Allies were ideological enemies, yet fought against a common enemy. Really no difference with the Klingons and Romulans.
Like I posted before, in the TNG episode "The Neutral Zone" Worf commented on the Klingon-Romulan Alliance.
Star Trek: The Original Grind
Star Trek: The Next Grind
Star Trek: Deep Space Grind
Star Trek: Voyage to the Grind
It's not commonly accepted at all as - there was NEVER a line spoken on screen in any TOS (or later) TV episode nor in any of the feature films to that effect -- and in fact given that in the TOS episode "The Imunity Syndrome"; there's a Star Fleet ship (the U.S.S. Intrepid) manned by a crew of 430 Vulcans <-- One if which has to be Captain rank, not to many Vulcan officers the same rank as Spock as well...
Thus, in the end, there's canon evidence showing Spock was not the first Vulcan in Star Fleet.:)
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But of course Enterprise is Barclay Trek
But lets assume its accurate
ok the Romulans HAD a form of warp drive
sadly over the years it killed a lot of crewmen due to bad shielding
it was abandoned for manned ships on orders of the Senate and everyone who knew how to make it was crucified (in the press)
by the TOS era ships no longer had viable warp drive and have mass reaction impulse systems (and thus can run out of Fuel)
The klingons had much safer warp tech (Warp drives closer to the hull) and better shielding (reactor not "shield")
The klingons therefore traded tech
Everyone is happy and Archer is allowed to be God again
as to Riker
Riker and Kirk are opposites
Kirk was a heroic figure who liked women
Riker was a nymphomaniac who occasionally did duty on a starhip bridge
Also other than when possessed Kirk stuck to women
Riker went for anything with a pulse
This is almost epic in its fail. A travesty of legendary (orange item) proportions. What can we do to get Cryptic's attention and let them know that the Romulans will not be ignored?
A petition perhaps?
A boycott?
A strongly worded letter to Jack Emmert?
Think fellow Romulans. THINK! There must be something we can do. I was toying with the idea of taking some mining equipment back in time to 2010 and making the forums watch as I destroy the Starfleet faction right before their very eyes. But I don't know. I just didn't have the right tattoo to make it work.
What've you guys got?
You do realize OP that the Romulan people were against the oppressive nature of their government and the government held them in chains with tactics much like the current governments of our world right? Doing anything they wish despite the call of the people and with little regard for safety justice or truth, the only difference is that the military was in much heavier use against the people then it is in most of the countries in our time.
If the people called for the reunification after the original government died then yes that means the new government is goody two shoes, sorry you don't like the storyline even before it's released.
If that was true why is Cryptic spending all the money and resources on making a new faction and finishing the KDF. Seems to be a bad move in that case.
In all fairness can you blame anyone for that?
They became allies as it was the only way for the Empire to survive, by DS9 they where strong enough to stand alone, and did, until the Dominion war. The Neutral Zone comment showed that the had been allies (i.e. not at war) not that they where trading their military advantages over each other.
Besides the Kitomer stuff happened after the supposed alliance.
I know, that was my point, it's not canon, but it was believed to the point where it was another complained against ENT for having T'Pol.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
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Also she may not have been entirely vulcan (as shown by the fact she slept with humans YUCK)
Why, you're absolutely right sir!
The Romulans already lost their spark and at this pace they'll lose the war against the Federation and the Empire in a week after release and probably lose their faction by july!
I say bring on the Cardies, before it's too late and more damage is done! :P
By series 4 she was definitely a Starfleet officer.
As for the second one I really don't what to know you would sleep with if humans are off limits :P
She is defiantly a Vulcan and umm what species did Spock's dad sleep with to get little Spock? Is Sarek not a Vulcan?
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
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Here is the thing. While we know the Tal Shiar were involved. We don't know that the RSE was involved. Specifically how much Sela and the Senate knew what was going on.
Given my limited knowledge of in game evens. I would say it is highly likely that the Tal Shiar acted without the knowledge of the Empress and Senate. Which is why I presented my own idea of how things would work with the Romulan Republic. Basically they are "splinter group" officially, but off the books as it were, They are taking orders from Sela and are loyal to her and the RSE (in whatever form it currently is)
They only broke the Alliance when the Federation condemed the attack on Cardassia, then came crawling back to DS9 when Cardassia joined the Dominion (technically the Alliance wasn't even reinstated yet). Yes, real strong.
So two peoples are automatically allies if they are not at war now? Hmm, better start importing some Cuban cigars.
You are really grasping at thin air and splitting hairs with that comment.
Not stated that they didn't. However, as was posted before, it was the intention to have a Klingon-Romulan Alliance on screen during TOS. The Klingon D7s in "The Enterprise Incident" hints at that. Comments in TNG also hint at that.
The evidence, while circumstantial, does support a Klingon-Romulan Alliance. I'm not sure why your so adamntly apposed to that.
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They where prepared to go to war with the Federation, not something done if you think you are outmatched.
The USSR in WWII a shaky situation with Britain (and the USA). Probably the most apt analogy, did the USSR and USA share all their stuff?
Hints, but as they are just that they can be interpreted in different ways, there is just as much evidence for captured ships as there is for an alliance.
Because it makes no sense and they are probably the last two races in the galaxy that are likely to form an alliance wit the exception of the Borg - Packled alliance.
Didn't Klingon ships in ENT have cloaks? Or am I miss remembering, if they did then the Alliance is even less likely than before.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
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'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
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Just you wait, there will be a Pakled - Kazon alliance someday! :eek:
But not a real one (same as people who are given honorary rank when working with another military )
Vulcans should sleep with other Vulcans (once every 7 years) only
Humans with humans
Klingons with Klingons
Romulans with Romulans
And Betazoids with Betazoids
Borg with a blender
Bajorans with Bajorans
Cardassians with Cardassians
and of course Orions with Orions and wearing a gas mask and nose plugs
Ah but Spocks dad was a Romulan agent wasn't he (we all saw him in uniform)
Who can tell
He didn't act like one