Outdated compared to what? College jackets?
The Romulans may be many things, but informal is not one of them, not even renegades.
Outdated time wise. We know the FEDs delve into old uniforms, but does the KDF?
Not really, at least from what we see now. How can we know if the RR is not the same?
After all, the developers consider it a 'mini-faction' like the KDF, not a fully fledged one.
Just because it "looks" expensive doesn't mean it is.
Hell, Starfleet combadges are partly made out of gold. Also, Kirk claimed he could manufacture any precious gem he was presented with even before the time of replicators.
Hah! Not like the other series were around to clean up TOS's lore antics.
Nevertheless, you still need the on-hand copy to scan it into the system.
Which I suppose is not on the 'to-do' / 'priority' list after losing a world.
And those guys are mostly with Obisek, and THAT was in response to the Tal'Shiar working with the Iconians.
The Reman Resistance actually originally responded to the Romulan Star Empire.
This is seen through their gathering of thalaron weapons to use against said RSE.
That in itself is seen in the first mission with Reman appearances i.e. The Vault.
Obisek would no doubt change his mind on immediate targets when the iconian
insurrection and said sympathizers to their cause became known to him. That, I
might add- lured out Sela, the enemy. Which *might* just have been his plan.
I say a Romulan without Romulan ideals might as well be a Vulcan.
Yes, I would say as much for D'Tan, but for others hoping to make new ideals? no.
"It's not who you are underneath, it's what you do that defines you."
Anyway, the majority of Romulans in-game are nothing like the ones from the series.
That's why we have TOS era Fed stuff, ENT era Fed stuff, ENT MACO stuff in the data files, Klingon TOS uniforms, plus uniforms from every era 'cept Cage, Kelvin and the collarless WOK uniforms.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
plus uniforms from every era 'cept Kelvin and the collarless WOK uniforms.
Technically we lack the uniforms of one more era, it's just that didn't see them much: the Starfleet uniforms directly preceding the famous TOS uniforms (the ones Pike had during the expedition to Talos IV and Kirk had during the trans-Galactic Barrier voyage).
Technically we lack the uniforms of one more era, it's just that didn't see them much: the Starfleet uniforms directly preceding the famous TOS uniforms (the ones Pike had during the expedition to Talos IV and Kirk had during the trans-Galactic Barrier voyage).
Pretty sure CBS said NO to those as well. But that was before Wishstone's time. It might have been Stormshade or someone like Snix that fielded that question.
Pretty sure CBS said NO to those as well. But that was before Wishstone's time. It might have been Stormshade or someone like Snix that fielded that question.
I've checked around, and as far as I can tell Wishstone has been replaced by Stormshade (and has been for a while now)... which suggests to me that if it really was Wishstone that said the Romulan uniforms of the show were vetoed, it was in a context where a Romulan faction was still far off. The early 2260s Starfleet uniform may or may not (still) be vetoed, by I wouldn't be sure the Romulan uniforms are just because they have been.
I've checked around, and as far as I can tell Wishstone has been replaced by Stormshade (and has been for a while now)...
Stormshade works on Neverwinter now. Branflakes replaced Stormshade.
The primary reason why any quote is hard to find is because of all the archived posts and how they've rebooted these forums. They were difficult to navigate before the change, as the penchant for locking moving and hiding threads over 4 weeks old was an annoyance and a huge roadblock in the sharing of information. But these days?
I'll find it. Eventually. Probably when I'm looking for something else entirely.
Technically we lack the uniforms of one more era, it's just that didn't see them much: the Starfleet uniforms directly preceding the famous TOS uniforms (the ones Pike had during the expedition to Talos IV and Kirk had during the trans-Galactic Barrier voyage).
Oh yeah the Cage / WNMHGB era ones.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Yeah that ship sailed 3 years ago and was torpedoed by a U-Boat which was then eaten by a giant squid which was in turn abducted by a UFO which travelled to Zeta Reticuli and blown up by the Death Star which then fell into a black hole.
Yeah, I know... I was there. It's not that different, it's a different color and a few bits are different, mainly the velcro and the pockets, but it's not a complete redesign. If they were the same color as the old uniforms people would find it hard to tell the difference.
Yeah that ship sailed 3 years ago and was torpedoed by a U-Boat which was then eaten by a giant squid which was in turn abducted by a UFO which travelled to Zeta Reticuli and blown up by the Death Star which then fell into a black hole.
The uniformity was then retrieved by time travelling cats from the 27th century and passed to Q to look after
He promptly handed it to his fellow Devs and forgot about it
The Men's Department of the Navy hasn't changed the style of their Service Uniforms in quite a long time.
That is true, the US Marine Corps Dress Blues and Service Greens have remained virtually unchanged since their respective introductions. The only changes have been in cut and service cap type.
Meanwhile, we in the Army have filled out a survey about the possible introduction of a new service uniform to replace the new service uniform we just got :mad:
How the Devs see Star Trek, apparently:
Star Trek: The Original Grind
Star Trek: The Next Grind
Star Trek: Deep Space Grind
Star Trek: Voyage to the Grind
That is true, the US Marine Corps Dress Blues and Service Greens have remained virtually unchanged since their respective introductions. The only changes have been in cut and service cap type.
Meanwhile, we in the Army have filled out a survey about the possible introduction of a new service uniform to replace the new service uniform we just got :mad:
Yeah really..... it just needs redesigned with either better velcro or LESS velcro. Meanwhile, the army dress uniform is going BACK to what we wore 30 years ago.... (with minor modifications)
Wow, you guys are changing uniforms quick, you should have seen the ::censored:: storm when they introduced the digital cammies and tan boots...we Marines tend to be a conservative bunch
Like the Romulan Alliance System? Of course you do, it sounds fine to you because you aren't Romulans, you're FED or KDF who are going to make a Romulan alt, it makes a HUGE difference in perspective.
Wow, you guys are changing uniforms quick, you should have seen the ::censored:: storm when they introduced the digital cammies and tan boots...we Marines tend to be a conservative bunch
Digital camoflage is not a bad concept. And the marine version is nice. The army version has poorly chosen colors and doesn't blend in with much of anything....
Digital camoflage is not a bad concept. And the marine version is nice. The army version has poorly chosen colors and doesn't blend in with much of anything....
After getting back from Blackhawk Repairer school I worked in the supply room for a bit (yeah, go figure) and thus got access to all sorts of literature.
The Marine Corps Pattern (which they based off the Canadian pattern) is copyrighted by the Marines so the Army went another route. The Multicam actually tested well and soldiers liked it. However, towards the end of the testing someone (probably a General about to retire and go work for a contractor) snuck the ACU pattern in at the end and the rest is history.
Similar for the Army Service Uniform. Soldiers wanted a new color and cut, but next to no one wanted the blue dress to become standard. SMA Preston presided over two very questionable changes.
Side note: what option did you choose in the survey? I chose the OD Green with Khaki shirt.
How the Devs see Star Trek, apparently:
Star Trek: The Original Grind
Star Trek: The Next Grind
Star Trek: Deep Space Grind
Star Trek: Voyage to the Grind
After getting back from Blackhawk Repairer school I worked in the supply room for a bit (yeah, go figure) and thus got access to all sorts of literature.
The Marine Corps Pattern (which they based off the Canadian pattern) is copyrighted by the Marines so the Army went another route. The Multicam actually tested well and soldiers liked it. However, towards the end of the testing someone (probably a General about to retire and go work for a contractor) snuck the ACU pattern in at the end and the rest is history.
Similar for the Army Service Uniform. Soldiers wanted a new color and cut, but next to no one wanted the blue dress to become standard. SMA Preston presided over two very questionable changes.
Side note: what option did you choose in the survey? I chose the OD Green with Khaki shirt.
Hehe, yeah realworld military uniforms don't really have any sort of logical progression to them, so why would Star Trek uniforms? My best guess is that the guy who signed off on the blues did it because he thought they looked better than the greens.
I forget exactly what I did for the survey, something green I think....
Hehe, yeah realworld military uniforms don't really have any sort of logical progression to them, so why would Star Trek uniforms?
I guess that depends on the country. If I look at Britsh or Russian/Soviet military there is a clear attempt to not change anything except for the combat/utility uniforms. Even with the German military, all they did was tweak the color slightly and remove "unsavory insignia" (I'm trying to avoid Godwin's Law)
In the US, it seems only the Marines and Coast Guard have heard the phrase "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
How the Devs see Star Trek, apparently:
Star Trek: The Original Grind
Star Trek: The Next Grind
Star Trek: Deep Space Grind
Star Trek: Voyage to the Grind
I guess that depends on the country. If I look at Britsh or Russian/Soviet military there is a clear attempt to not change anything except for the combat/utility uniforms. Even with the German military, all they did was tweak the color slightly and remove "unsavory insignia" (I'm trying to avoid Godwin's Law)
In the US, it seems only the Marines and Coast Guard have heard the phrase "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
If CBS were to weigh in on the topic, they'd set em all straight. That stuff is too old to be top tier uniforms in this century!
If CBS were to weigh in on the topic, they'd set em all straight. That stuff is too old to be top tier uniforms in this century!
If I were in charge of a Trek TV series (and had the money and resources) I would have four seperate uniforms:
A duty/utility uniform along the line of those seen in Enterprise or TOS
A Service uniform like those seen in The Wrath of Khan.
A White dress uniform (like in DS9 and Insurrection/Nemisis.
A combat uniform for my MACOs (my Trek would have a dedicated ground combat force if it were set post Dominion War but I would constiantly bring up some in fighting when some onboard my ship question the need of a dedicated military force in a primary exploratory organization).
How the Devs see Star Trek, apparently:
Star Trek: The Original Grind
Star Trek: The Next Grind
Star Trek: Deep Space Grind
Star Trek: Voyage to the Grind
I was never a fan of the old Romulan uniforms anyway.
They always looked like baked potatoes fresh from the oven.
Edit: And technically Godwin's Law only applies in a limited scope. If the discussion is about military uniforms, and you reference 1940's German uniforms and discuss why they changed them in a legitimate comparison, that is not Godwining.
Godwining is when you use the inherent negativity associated with TRIBBLE Germany to demonize one side of an unrelated argument. I.E. "Those (insert political party here) are acting just like the TRIBBLE!"
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Outdated time wise. We know the FEDs delve into old uniforms, but does the KDF?
Not really, at least from what we see now. How can we know if the RR is not the same?
After all, the developers consider it a 'mini-faction' like the KDF, not a fully fledged one.
Hah! Not like the other series were around to clean up TOS's lore antics.
Nevertheless, you still need the on-hand copy to scan it into the system.
Which I suppose is not on the 'to-do' / 'priority' list after losing a world.
The Reman Resistance actually originally responded to the Romulan Star Empire.
This is seen through their gathering of thalaron weapons to use against said RSE.
That in itself is seen in the first mission with Reman appearances i.e. The Vault.
Obisek would no doubt change his mind on immediate targets when the iconian
insurrection and said sympathizers to their cause became known to him. That, I
might add- lured out Sela, the enemy. Which *might* just have been his plan.
Yes, I would say as much for D'Tan, but for others hoping to make new ideals? no.
"It's not who you are underneath, it's what you do that defines you."
Anyway, the majority of Romulans in-game are nothing like the ones from the series.
That's why we have TOS era Fed stuff, ENT era Fed stuff, ENT MACO stuff in the data files, Klingon TOS uniforms, plus uniforms from every era 'cept Cage, Kelvin and the collarless WOK uniforms.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Stormshade works on Neverwinter now. Branflakes replaced Stormshade.
The primary reason why any quote is hard to find is because of all the archived posts and how they've rebooted these forums. They were difficult to navigate before the change, as the penchant for locking moving and hiding threads over 4 weeks old was an annoyance and a huge roadblock in the sharing of information. But these days?
I'll find it. Eventually. Probably when I'm looking for something else entirely.
...so probably only 4 uniforms and less than the full pallet of colors.
:P
Oh yeah the Cage / WNMHGB era ones.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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thats why they are called uniforms
Yeah that ship sailed 3 years ago and was torpedoed by a U-Boat which was then eaten by a giant squid which was in turn abducted by a UFO which travelled to Zeta Reticuli and blown up by the Death Star which then fell into a black hole.
My character Tsin'xing
..for the Federation.
The KDF ship is still pretty much around..
..still lacking as many options'.
Hopefully KDF will get a few more in May.
My character Tsin'xing
He promptly handed it to his fellow Devs and forgot about it
This is the song I will listen to while making my romulan's uniform.
That is true, the US Marine Corps Dress Blues and Service Greens have remained virtually unchanged since their respective introductions. The only changes have been in cut and service cap type.
Meanwhile, we in the Army have filled out a survey about the possible introduction of a new service uniform to replace the new service uniform we just got :mad:
Star Trek: The Original Grind
Star Trek: The Next Grind
Star Trek: Deep Space Grind
Star Trek: Voyage to the Grind
My character Tsin'xing
My character Tsin'xing
Black Trousers
White cross belts
Or
White uniform (with a kilt and shoes with pom poms)
After getting back from Blackhawk Repairer school I worked in the supply room for a bit (yeah, go figure) and thus got access to all sorts of literature.
The Marine Corps Pattern (which they based off the Canadian pattern) is copyrighted by the Marines so the Army went another route. The Multicam actually tested well and soldiers liked it. However, towards the end of the testing someone (probably a General about to retire and go work for a contractor) snuck the ACU pattern in at the end and the rest is history.
Similar for the Army Service Uniform. Soldiers wanted a new color and cut, but next to no one wanted the blue dress to become standard. SMA Preston presided over two very questionable changes.
Side note: what option did you choose in the survey? I chose the OD Green with Khaki shirt.
Star Trek: The Original Grind
Star Trek: The Next Grind
Star Trek: Deep Space Grind
Star Trek: Voyage to the Grind
I forget exactly what I did for the survey, something green I think....
My character Tsin'xing
I guess that depends on the country. If I look at Britsh or Russian/Soviet military there is a clear attempt to not change anything except for the combat/utility uniforms. Even with the German military, all they did was tweak the color slightly and remove "unsavory insignia" (I'm trying to avoid Godwin's Law)
In the US, it seems only the Marines and Coast Guard have heard the phrase "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
Star Trek: The Original Grind
Star Trek: The Next Grind
Star Trek: Deep Space Grind
Star Trek: Voyage to the Grind
If I were in charge of a Trek TV series (and had the money and resources) I would have four seperate uniforms:
A duty/utility uniform along the line of those seen in Enterprise or TOS
A Service uniform like those seen in The Wrath of Khan.
A White dress uniform (like in DS9 and Insurrection/Nemisis.
A combat uniform for my MACOs (my Trek would have a dedicated ground combat force if it were set post Dominion War but I would constiantly bring up some in fighting when some onboard my ship question the need of a dedicated military force in a primary exploratory organization).
Star Trek: The Original Grind
Star Trek: The Next Grind
Star Trek: Deep Space Grind
Star Trek: Voyage to the Grind
They always looked like baked potatoes fresh from the oven.
Edit: And technically Godwin's Law only applies in a limited scope. If the discussion is about military uniforms, and you reference 1940's German uniforms and discuss why they changed them in a legitimate comparison, that is not Godwining.
Godwining is when you use the inherent negativity associated with TRIBBLE Germany to demonize one side of an unrelated argument. I.E. "Those (insert political party here) are acting just like the TRIBBLE!"
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