It is doubtful that he is in Sela's pocket. The Tal Shair wouldn't be approaching him if he was already on their side. D'Tan seem legit in his goal of opposing the "Empress" and appears to want to unite Romulans and restore their heritage, especially after finding the sword and gaining traction with the FED/KDF.
If Sela were around, she probably wouldn't be too happy about this second "Mol Rihan", but she's not around as far as we know. Neither is Hakeev for that matter.
But that makes me wonder, what was the working relationship between Sela and Hakeev? He clearly had connections with what he believed to be Iconians. Did she as well?
I think the key to the status of the relationshup between Sela and Hakeev as what Obisek said about it: (paraphrased) "The empress despises what she can not control."
That says to be that in the aftermath of the destruction of the romulan home system the Tal Shiar became a rogue element. I think Sela had an alliance/agreement with the Tal Shiar for a time in which it helped her gain and retain power after Te'lura(sp?) as assassinated. I don't think that Sela has the Tal Shiar's total loyalty.
I don't know when Hakeev was compromised. But he seemed to have started a campaign of oppression against the Remans. The Remans wanting freedom would have been a burr in the side of Sela. So she went along with Hakeev's actions be doing nothing but definitely keeping watch. I suspect she didn't know Hakeev's tie to the Iconians.
When out Captain's get involved, Sela may have discovered the Iconian's involvement as we do. That may have flipped he over toward taking action. I think Sela started to tail our Captain towards the end of the FE. Ever the opportunist, she would be poised to strike at the victors (Hakeev's forces or the Remans) in the end. The Iconian taking her ship as something unplanned by her.
Well, you have to realize I'm bias and I want Romulus back permanently, not back for a while before we destroy it again, so to me this just isn't compelling.
And I'm adamant that, while Romulus is certainly missed, the story potential from its destruction is much richer than if it were never destroyed or magically brought back permanently.
It takes a huge pair of duranium spheres to subvert "Status Quo is God". I don't think they should undo that because the fans are afraid of change.
I think the key to the status of the relationshup between Sela and Hakeev as what Obisek said about it: (paraphrased) "The empress despises what she can not control."
That says to be that in the aftermath of the destruction of the romulan home system the Tal Shiar became a rogue element. I think Sela had an alliance/agreement with the Tal Shiar for a time in which it helped her gain and retain power after Te'lura(sp?) as assassinated. I don't think that Sela has the Tal Shiar's total loyalty.
I don't know when Hakeev was compromised. But he seemed to have started a campaign of oppression against the Remans. The Remans wanting freedom would have been a burr in the side of Sela. So she went along with Hakeev's actions be doing nothing but definitely keeping watch. I suspect she didn't know Hakeev's tie to the Iconians.
When out Captain's get involved, Sela may have discovered the Iconian's involvement as we do. That may have flipped he over toward taking action. I think Sela started to tail our Captain towards the end of the FE. Ever the opportunist, she would be poised to strike at the victors (Hakeev's forces or the Remans) in the end. The Iconian taking her ship as something unplanned by her.
Yeah, I think it might be that the Iconians wanted to get Sela out of the way and were concerned that if Starfleet took her into custody that we'd join forces against them.
And I'm adamant that, while Romulus is certainly missed, the story potential from its destruction is much richer than if it were never destroyed or magically brought back permanently.
It takes a huge pair of duranium spheres to subvert "Status Quo is God". I don't think they should undo that because the fans are afraid of change.
Exactly how I feel. Romulus being destroyed worked for me as a story seed for years to come.
And if people were REALLY that attached to a fictional world? I'd have cried when Gallifrey was lost..then returned..and was lost again..and..
Exactly how I feel. Romulus being destroyed worked for me as a story seed for years to come.
And if people were REALLY that attached to a fictional world? I'd have cried when Gallifrey was lost..then returned..and was lost again..and..
Oh nevermind.
It wasn't destroyed well. It was destroyed in a FLASHBACK and it was destroyed with Delta Vega in viewing distance of Vulcan.
Everything about JJ-Trek is pretty much blatantly dumb.
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Makes you wonder if the "thought-galaxy" of Where No One Has Gone Before might have been another universe.
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First of all, Iconians appear in a handful of episodes, mostly because of gateways. And in canon, they're all dead (and probably pacifists according to Picard in TNG).
First of all, Iconians appear in a handful of episodes, mostly because of gateways. And in canon, they're all dead (and probably pacifists according to Picard in TNG).
Secondly, it's green, and Romulan tech is green.
Those victorious may write - or rewrite - the history books, but just because Picard thinks the Iconians may have been peaceful or even pacifist, doesn't mean he's correct. Maybe everyone had a good reason to bomb the Iconians into the dust. Maybe the Iconians wanted them to think they had won and had killed all of the Iconians.
If it was an Iconian puppet master pulling those strings, why would they have to use Iconian tech to assassinate someone?
Those victorious may write - or rewrite - the history books, but just because Picard thinks the Iconians may have been peaceful or even pacifist, doesn't mean he's correct. Maybe everyone had a good reason to bomb the Iconians into the dust. Maybe the Iconians wanted them to think they had won and had killed all of the Iconians.
If it was an Iconian puppet master pulling those strings, why would they have to use Iconian tech to assassinate someone?
Or maybe it's just an allegory. People being scared by technology, so scared that they bombed scientists to death. Actually, it's really what I want to think about this episode, it's far more 'Star Trek' than evil guys enslaving a galaxy with a revolt of the slaves. In a ST universe, such a simple plot looks ludicrous. In this game, we need simple plots simple minds can get, so that we just end up gankfesting defenceless NPCs, but it doesn't mean it's what the franchise is about.
Yeah because we all know paramount will tell JJ to stop filming any more millions of dollars made films because STO decided to have T'Nae undo that timeline.
Especially since Paramount doesn't even have anything to do with STO, thats CBS's thing.
First of all, Iconians appear in a handful of episodes, mostly because of gateways. And in canon, they're all dead (and probably pacifists according to Picard in TNG).
Secondly, it's green, and Romulan tech is green.
It is more interesting to me that Tal'aura has an appointment with the Tholian ambassador immediately after killing the Romulan Senate...
After all the Suliban were working for Future guy, who was supposed to be a Romulan. Whom very well could be wanting to prevent the Hobus event and prevent the founding of the Federation. (Or maybe in an ironic twist, purposely pushing to encourage the formation of the Federation). Because it's interesting he provided information about the Xindi, whom were working for the Sphere Builders, who in modern times could very well end up collaborating with the Iconians to destroy the Earth.
i don't know why everyone is so damn fixated on future guy being a romulan when he was never meant to be
from future guy's memory alpha page: In November 2012, Brannon Braga stated on his Twitter account that the show's fifth season would have revealed Future Guy to be Jonathan Archer "trying to correct history" and repair a corrupt future by influencing his younger self. Braga added that Archer being Future Guy was the plan from the beginning, and previous statements claiming Future Guy was intended to be a Romulan were meant as a red herring.
Star Trek: First Contact was similar in the sense that the Borg's time traveling antics affected the prime universe. The Enterprise-E's warp field, supposedly, protected it from the affects, allowing them to devise a way to travel back in time and correct it.
not quite; they were caught in the temporal vortex's wake as the sphere entered it, protecting them from the timeline changes
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It is more interesting to me that Tal'aura has an appointment with the Tholian ambassador immediately after killing the Romulan Senate...
Then after Tal'aura became Praetor, she herself got assassinated and Sela blamed. And who did the finger pointing? The Tal'Shiar.
And of course Donatra's mysterious disappearance, which we later we find her assimilated into the Borg collective. So could've she been abducted by the Iconians and thrown to the Borg as fodder to get her out of the way? Could this be Sela's fate as well?
Interesting the sides are becoming clear now.
Sela likely could be working with the Tholians and was captured to learn what they are up to. D'Tan is working with the Remans to reset the Romulan Empire. All while Taris is working with the Iconians.
i don't know why everyone is so damn fixated on future guy being a romulan when he was never meant to be from future guy's memory alpha page: In November 2012, Brannon Braga stated on his Twitter account that the show's fifth season would have revealed Future Guy to be Jonathan Archer "trying to correct history" and repair a corrupt future by influencing his younger self. Braga added that Archer being Future Guy was the plan from the beginning, and previous statements claiming Future Guy was intended to be a Romulan were meant as a red herring.
Because he was hinted at being Romulan at first and for STO, it works perfectly with the destruction of Romulus and him trying to bring it back by altering the timeline.
If they went ahead and had Archer as Future Guy, that likely would've gone down as THE most dumb---- thing ever to happen in Star Trek.
So what we're theorycrafting here is a setup for Demons of Air and Darkness (Iconians) vs Demons of Stone and Fire (Tholians, if you'll excuse the just-now-invented phrase)?
It is more interesting to me that Tal'aura has an appointment with the Tholian ambassador immediately after killing the Romulan Senate...
Well in her position you can't say you need to go to the bathroom, and it could really be just an excuse.
Jokes apart, we don't hear about the Tholians later in Nemesis, which means they aren't really involved, or even not involved at all, in the Romulan civil war. Most of the times, we rather see Romulans getting involved in other races domestic affairs. That's what we expect from them. Tholians are supposed to be isolationists and really far away from Romulan territory. That's why such a theory looks really... Weird.
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I think the key to the status of the relationshup between Sela and Hakeev as what Obisek said about it: (paraphrased) "The empress despises what she can not control."
That says to be that in the aftermath of the destruction of the romulan home system the Tal Shiar became a rogue element. I think Sela had an alliance/agreement with the Tal Shiar for a time in which it helped her gain and retain power after Te'lura(sp?) as assassinated. I don't think that Sela has the Tal Shiar's total loyalty.
I don't know when Hakeev was compromised. But he seemed to have started a campaign of oppression against the Remans. The Remans wanting freedom would have been a burr in the side of Sela. So she went along with Hakeev's actions be doing nothing but definitely keeping watch. I suspect she didn't know Hakeev's tie to the Iconians.
When out Captain's get involved, Sela may have discovered the Iconian's involvement as we do. That may have flipped he over toward taking action. I think Sela started to tail our Captain towards the end of the FE. Ever the opportunist, she would be poised to strike at the victors (Hakeev's forces or the Remans) in the end. The Iconian taking her ship as something unplanned by her.
And I'm adamant that, while Romulus is certainly missed, the story potential from its destruction is much richer than if it were never destroyed or magically brought back permanently.
It takes a huge pair of duranium spheres to subvert "Status Quo is God". I don't think they should undo that because the fans are afraid of change.
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Exactly how I feel. Romulus being destroyed worked for me as a story seed for years to come.
And if people were REALLY that attached to a fictional world? I'd have cried when Gallifrey was lost..then returned..and was lost again..and..
Oh nevermind.
It wasn't destroyed well. It was destroyed in a FLASHBACK and it was destroyed with Delta Vega in viewing distance of Vulcan.
Everything about JJ-Trek is pretty much blatantly dumb.
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Actually M-theory supports Delta Vega being closer
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Makes you wonder if the "thought-galaxy" of Where No One Has Gone Before might have been another universe.
Possibly. Universes are all on different frequencies of reality so to speak. Thoughts could be said to be a frequency that could be tuned into. Such as what telepaths are tuned in on.
Hakeev, the Iconian agent, killing Praetor Te'lura, the Tholian agent? Oh boy.
Who says that it hasn't already happened?
I saw what you did there!
Iconians? In Nemesis? No.
First of all, Iconians appear in a handful of episodes, mostly because of gateways. And in canon, they're all dead (and probably pacifists according to Picard in TNG).
Secondly, it's green, and Romulan tech is green.
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Those victorious may write - or rewrite - the history books, but just because Picard thinks the Iconians may have been peaceful or even pacifist, doesn't mean he's correct. Maybe everyone had a good reason to bomb the Iconians into the dust. Maybe the Iconians wanted them to think they had won and had killed all of the Iconians.
If it was an Iconian puppet master pulling those strings, why would they have to use Iconian tech to assassinate someone?
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Or maybe it's just an allegory. People being scared by technology, so scared that they bombed scientists to death. Actually, it's really what I want to think about this episode, it's far more 'Star Trek' than evil guys enslaving a galaxy with a revolt of the slaves. In a ST universe, such a simple plot looks ludicrous. In this game, we need simple plots simple minds can get, so that we just end up gankfesting defenceless NPCs, but it doesn't mean it's what the franchise is about.
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If the James Cawley timeline is the result, give me Chris pine timeline any day:cool:
The JJverse isn't going anywhere
Especially since Paramount doesn't even have anything to do with STO, thats CBS's thing.
Wells seeing as paramount controls that and have no obligation towards CBS becuase of it pretty much where it is now.
It is more interesting to me that Tal'aura has an appointment with the Tholian ambassador immediately after killing the Romulan Senate...
She reappears at SB39, completely unaware of anything that just happened?
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Riiiiiighht, I forgot about that.
i don't know why everyone is so damn fixated on future guy being a romulan when he was never meant to be
from future guy's memory alpha page: In November 2012, Brannon Braga stated on his Twitter account that the show's fifth season would have revealed Future Guy to be Jonathan Archer "trying to correct history" and repair a corrupt future by influencing his younger self. Braga added that Archer being Future Guy was the plan from the beginning, and previous statements claiming Future Guy was intended to be a Romulan were meant as a red herring.
not quite; they were caught in the temporal vortex's wake as the sphere entered it, protecting them from the timeline changes
their warp field had nothing to do with it
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A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
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"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Then after Tal'aura became Praetor, she herself got assassinated and Sela blamed. And who did the finger pointing? The Tal'Shiar.
And of course Donatra's mysterious disappearance, which we later we find her assimilated into the Borg collective. So could've she been abducted by the Iconians and thrown to the Borg as fodder to get her out of the way? Could this be Sela's fate as well?
Interesting the sides are becoming clear now.
Sela likely could be working with the Tholians and was captured to learn what they are up to. D'Tan is working with the Remans to reset the Romulan Empire. All while Taris is working with the Iconians.
Plots within Plots.
Because he was hinted at being Romulan at first and for STO, it works perfectly with the destruction of Romulus and him trying to bring it back by altering the timeline.
If they went ahead and had Archer as Future Guy, that likely would've gone down as THE most dumb---- thing ever to happen in Star Trek.
Sela commands the Tal Shiar.
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Well in her position you can't say you need to go to the bathroom, and it could really be just an excuse.
Jokes apart, we don't hear about the Tholians later in Nemesis, which means they aren't really involved, or even not involved at all, in the Romulan civil war. Most of the times, we rather see Romulans getting involved in other races domestic affairs. That's what we expect from them. Tholians are supposed to be isolationists and really far away from Romulan territory. That's why such a theory looks really... Weird.
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like the president commands section 31?
Fat. Chance.
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"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
I dunno thishttp://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Threshold_%28episode%29 still is hard to beat, but the Archer thing is pretty close.
Which President...mwahahaha:D
last i checked, the federation only has one president...unless you know something i don't?
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