For starters, I want to talk about CBS. So, in the beginning they tell Cryptic they have to overhaul EVERYTHING to acknowledge the destruction wreaked by JJ. But consider this, if JJ Trek is so sacred to CBS, then technically, STO should have NEVER been allowed to be made. From that point forward JJ Trek OVERWRITES the Prime Timeline that CBS controls. Its gone, poof, events in JJ Trek almost certainly prevent even the births of all of the TNG crew. Thats of course if you REALLY respected JJ Trek. But if Im Dan Stahl, I go back to CBS and say, "Hey, by letting us even MAKE STO, you solidified the concept that Spock and Nero went to an alternate universe, and not back in time in the original Prime Universe. So its actually OK to undo the JJ damage to the Prime Universe and do what we want with it, and JJ Trek can still be happening in another universe and we both live happily ever after." And seriously, why on earth does CBS even CARE about Paramount's baby? Its in CBS' best interest to make the timeline THEY control be as appealing as possible to keep STO alive and profitable. The moment STO truly becomes stale, its finished. (And seriously CBS, why cant we kill Picard and crew, we ALL know you wont EVER make another TNG movie or likely even another tv show that will require their cameos? Personally if we cant use em, kill em all with a good death I say) All that to say, if Cryptic wants to undo the destruction of Romulus, I wont complain.
But it cant be via T'Nae. I know Al thinks he has a killer ace up his sleeve with her left on the Enterprise C, but if she did survive, you are telling me after 63 years we havnt noticed anything relevant she changed to the Prime Universe? TNG already saw the effect Tasha had giving birth to Sela. Yeah, alternate T'Nae could still be alive and much older than her Prime counterpart, but she's been out of the picture THIS long? Oh, and shes from the alternate timeline where Romulus ISNT destroyed because the Enterprise C never died valiantly at Narendra III. As that timeline advanced, what reason would there have been to destroy Romulus? Someone said she has knowledge of Romulus' destruction. No, she doesnt, it never happened in her life. I say Captain Walker of the Pastak leaves alternate T'Nae on the C because he knows she just gets killed in the battle, or executed soon after capture and THATS the end of alternate T'Nae. (Unless you wanted to say shes been in a prison locked up, has gotten in touch with her emotions, and wants to WREAK HAVOC on the Romulan empire for all her years in some cold dungeon at the bottom of some moon prison...........Naaaaaaaaaah)
Something that occurred to me, in Yesterday's Enterprise, changing the C's destiny overwrote the Prime Universe (temporarily, thank you Guinan), but during that alternate timeline, was the quantum signature of the crew, and more importantly THAT Tasha that goes back with the C the exact same as the quantum signatures of that crew if a reading was taken during the Farpoint mission? It was both the same Prime Universe (because when you alter the SAME universe, it INSTANTLY changes, JJ Trek didnt instantly change what we now experience in STO, further proof JJ Trek isnt the alternate of the Prime Universe) that we saw two different versions of.
So, the Tasha that went back with the C has the exact same quantum signature as her eventual self will when she's born at the same time Sela was roughly. But, what happens when the same quantum signature experiences an alternate timeline flux, that isnt realigned lets say when you fix that timeline. The rest of the crew's quantum signatures realign with their quantum universe when the timeline is restored (to the one Guinan knows is right) but Tasha's quantum signature never properly realigns, or recovers from its state of flux, because her body didnt experience the quantum realignment when the prime timeline was restored. Her QS cheated by taking a short cut via the anomaly. So now we have a QS in Tasha in flux. Like a volcano ready to erupt, but never gets its chance, because Tasha is executed a few years after Sela's birth. But that QS in flux in Tasha gives BIRTH. What does that do to the QS of Sela? Maybe after a certain amount of years hers goes bonkers like Worf's did in "Parallels"? Huh huh? It could happen. And maybe thats why the "Iconians" have interest in her, she started fluxing, and popped up in other timelines where maybe the Iconians werent destroyed huh huh? All conjecture, but some 4th dimensional Star Trek thinking amirite?
Oh, and if alternate T'Nae WERE still alive in the Prime Universe, her QS never realigned either, because her's cheated too with Tasha. And now she's fluxing all over the alternate universes right about now
STO: @AGNT009 Since Dec 2010
Capt. Will Conquest of the U.S.S. Crusader
The quantum signatures of alternate timeline people would not be the same. The moment the alternate time was created it would be like releasing and changing your I.P. address. (in a universe altering more techno cooler way).
Y'know how when you save 2 exact pics in a folder? And you can either override the first, or have 2, and the second becomes (1)? Kinda like that. The second version of someone becomes re signatured as (1).
The quantum signatures of alternate timeline people would not be the same. The moment the alternate time was created it would be like releasing and changing your I.P. address. (in a universe altering more techno cooler way).
Y'know how when you save 2 exact pics in a folder? And you can either override the first, or have 2, and the second becomes (1)? Kinda like that. The second version of someone becomes re signatured as (1).
eeeshh, now I'm really sick of reading about quantum mechanics
The quantum signatures of alternate timeline people would not be the same. The moment the alternate time was created it would be like releasing and changing your I.P. address. (in a universe altering more techno cooler way).
Y'know how when you save 2 exact pics in a folder? And you can either override the first, or have 2, and the second becomes (1)? Kinda like that. The second version of someone becomes re signatured as (1).
Disagree. (Im making this stuff up as I go :P ) To back up my theory, Prime Spock has a different QS than Quinto Spock. But if Prime Spock had actually went back in time in his SAME universe, then he and Quinto Spock would have the same QS. I believe the QS stays the same within the same person within the same universe, even if alternates are made and destroyed within it like we saw happen in Yesterday's Enterprise.
STO: @AGNT009 Since Dec 2010
Capt. Will Conquest of the U.S.S. Crusader
Disagree. (Im making this stuff up as I go ) To back up my theory, Prime Spock has a different QS than Quinto Spock. But if Prime Spock had actually went back in time in his SAME universe, then he and Quinto Spock would have the same QS. I believe the QS stays the same within the same person within the same universe, even if alternates are made and destroyed within it like we saw happen in Yesterday's Enterprise.
It really doesn't matter if everything goes poof because it always goes back to the way it was or where the dollars go which is JJ trek now. If you are a gamer you can everything that lasted 10+ seconds.
Atleast in the form of a game you get what Ronald Moore said you won't see in Star Trek which is space battles every week. Star Trek was more than just battles which wasn't something delved into until DS9 and then voyagers combat was based on survival.
I think this game for one I don't see being MMORPG's are pretty much about combat so its kind of hard for me to see thousands of players killing romulans for example (the tal shiar) when the setting is that there are only a handful of them left on each side of romulan empire.
The Borg is a given, the set of the tholians is great because its something to build on that the writers from past series didn't go too much into as well as the iconians. There is one factor though and its the only one besides your major established villains that would set the stage for a long term future health of STO. Which would be instead of these reps being per toon that its based on a per faction basis. So if you finish the omega all you would do is open up the stores and then grind up yer gear for the project. So if per say there was a delta quadrant which would sustain the game for years with the amount of content that could be pumped out... Given though my idea would probally take tech the game doesn't have which would be you pick 4 of your characters to be in command of 4 ships you can choose from your faction and then any excess toons you could place as boffs and sort of put in a elite skill setting from guild wars 1 that only actual characters using NPC AI would be beneficial but only as a PvE part of gameplay.
Anyways just my ideas on this because all the speculations and ideas I've read I think it would mix well but I know to keep us interested there has to be a grind but on the other side of it I don't want it to feel like such an overwhelming grind for all the characters I've built up over past couple of years but yet get to enjoy the story too.
For starters, I want to talk about CBS. So, in the beginning they tell Cryptic they have to overhaul EVERYTHING to acknowledge the destruction wreaked by JJ. But consider this, if JJ Trek is so sacred to CBS, then technically, STO should have NEVER been allowed to be made. From that point forward JJ Trek OVERWRITES the Prime Timeline that CBS controls. Its gone, poof, events in JJ Trek almost certainly prevent even the births of all of the TNG crew. Thats of course if you REALLY respected JJ Trek. But if Im Dan Stahl, I go back to CBS and say, "Hey, by letting us even MAKE STO, you solidified the concept that Spock and Nero went to an alternate universe, and not back in time in the original Prime Universe. So its actually OK to undo the JJ damage to the Prime Universe and do what we want with it, and JJ Trek can still be happening in another universe and we both live happily ever after." And seriously, why on earth does CBS even CARE about Paramount's baby? Its in CBS' best interest to make the timeline THEY control be as appealing as possible to keep STO alive and profitable. The moment STO truly becomes stale, its finished. (And seriously CBS, why cant we kill Picard and crew, we ALL know you wont EVER make another TNG movie or likely even another tv show that will require their cameos? Personally if we cant use em, kill em all with a good death I say) All that to say, if Cryptic wants to undo the destruction of Romulus, I wont complain.
You need to know that it's not all CBS's fault, Paramount has control over the Trek movies. And Stahl and his bosses wouldn't dare tell CBS what to do with Star Trek, because they would've lost the contract.
And Abrams reboot doesn't overwrite the Prime Timeline, the old one still exists. The Prime Timeline is far from dead as you believe it to be. There has been several attempts to promote a new Trek TV show in the Prime Timeline, just nothing yet that they think is good enough.
...talking to players is like being a mall Santa. Everyone immediately wants to tell you all of the things they want, and you are absolutely powerless to deliver 99% of them.
Someone missed the entire "point" of why JJ made an alternate universe (not timeline). It was to have his own "shard" in the server that is Star Trek, without concerns.
It's a larger version of the same reason Enterprise used a "Temporal cold war" story arc. To help offset cries of non canon or discontinuity by rabid fans.
The "prime" universe is perfectly intact.
It gets extremely old hearing people whine about JJ and his Trek. Sci fi fans are supposed to be open minded, but all I ever see is dogmatic Trekkies who can't handle change.
JJ Trek is here to stay, it likely will be the next tv series (I've read many rumors the new series may even be a clone wars style animated continuation of the JJ Enterprise crew btw).
All that Babylon 5 talk earlier made me start thinking about how a B5 MMO might work...
Earth Alliance, Centauri Republic, Narn Regime, and (maybe) the Minbari Federation as playable factions, with some compromise in place for players who want to roll League characters like Drazi or whatever. Minbari might be a little OP, at least in space, hence the maybe.
It would probably have to take place during or before the Shadow War to make the most narrative sense. You'd want a few First Ones around for big fleet actions and the like, right?
Anyone complaining about cruiser turn rates in STO would have tons of fun with those bulky Omega-class destroyers. Or anything bigger than a White Star, really. The big ships in B5 are big.
Anyway. Sela. She's cool too, I guess. I forgot about Taris in TNG's Contagion. Maybe the actress is available should that character return?
Do you really think Hakeev would have listened? He'd have taken the assets he had left and gone underground, probably would have tried to assassinate Sela in the process.
Well Sela did show up at Brea where Hakeev was planning to open up the big Gateway, so I guess it remains to be seen what the relationship between Sela and Hakeev was prior to his death. (and yes he is dead after that episode - he is blown to smithereens ala Jack Skelington on Xmas by your torpedo volley)
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
Well Sela did show up at Brea where Hakeev was planning to open up the big Gateway, so I guess it remains to be seen what the relationship between Sela and Hakeev was prior to his death. (and yes he is dead after that episode - he is blown to smithereens ala Jack Skelington on Xmas by your torpedo volley)
Oh? "my ship" blew him up? Thought "me" and Obisek killed him.
Should redo that scene then. Be funny to see Hakeev's face as he watches his impending doom as photon torpedoes rain down on him, before he could make his grand escape. And have Obisek comment, "Ohh, that's got to hurt."
Personally think that jj has ruined Star Trek with new action films. They don't even feel Star Trek, just over budget movies. He maybe is the right man for Star Wars but for me not Star Trek, him and CBS need to stop seeing $$ and start making real trek! Which will sell its self!
CBS really let a book with dr.who in the trek universe be made? Maybe the undine have infiltrated CBS and are trying to destroy the trek universe
Tholians, iconians and even the undine could all have something to do with what's going to happen with the romulans. I actually feel the mystery around this is great and I can't wait for what's to come!
There was actually almost a tv crossover between Doctor Who and Trek. David Tennant who played the Tenth Doctor, and Russel T Davies, the then exec Producer, negotiated with CBS and almost made it happen.
Almost.
The current Doctor Who/Trek crossovers are soft canon comics, but VERY well done.
A good chunk of Trek was inspired by Doctor Who, so don't knock it. The Borg wouldn't be around if not for Doctor Who's Cybermen. The term "reversing the polarity" came from Doctor Who.
Enterprise had an episode with a time ship "bigger on the inside" as a nod to Doctor Who. (they also said behind the scenes they almost made a brief scene where the exterior disguised itself as a police box as a homage but it got vetoed.)
As for the JJ films, they are run by Paramount NOT CBS, The films have separate rights, which is why STO has not yet included any JJ uniforms or ships(yet).
Although I did note the Exeter class looks a lot like a JJ connie..hehe.
Earth Alliance, Centauri Republic, Narn Regime, and (maybe) the Minbari Federation as playable factions, with some compromise in place for players who want to roll League characters like Drazi or whatever. Minbari might be a little OP, at least in space, hence the maybe.
Personally think that jj has ruined Star Trek with new action films. They don't even feel Star Trek, just over budget movies. He maybe is the right man for Star Wars but for me not Star Trek, him and CBS need to stop seeing $$ and start making real trek! Which will sell its self!!
CBS is not responsible for the JJ Trek movies. I personally enjoyed it and am looking forward for the next one. That said, I do understand that other do not like it. I respect that. If you feel the need to blame anyone for the JJ Trek movies (I know a lot of you out there do) then the blame goes to Paramount.
CBS is not responsible for the JJ Trek movies. I personally enjoyed it and am looking forward for the next one. That said, I do understand that other do not like it. I respect that. If you feel the need to blame anyone for the JJ Trek movies (I know a lot of you out there do) then the blame goes to Paramount.
Thought CBS was responsible for 'protecting' the franchise? Thought that included what paramount could do etc
CBS is responsible for everything that's not JJ Trek, as far as I'm aware they have zero influence over Paramount or JJ's decisions.
Bob Orci has confirmed on several occasions that Paramount and CBS collaborate together regarding the franchise even though films fall under Paramount and television shows fall under CBS.
CBS and Paramount used to be the same company, Viacom now they are separated as Viacom was split into two.
I suspect this a lot complicated due to how Viacom was split ... technically CBS seems to retains the rights with Paramount having it licensed but its very likely to be far more complicated.
All righst but feature film and DVD distribution rights were bought up by CBS. In essence, CBS holds rights to everything Star Trek before the Star Trek: 2009 movie. That's why when you look among the copyright statements for Star Trek Online, you only see CBS, not CBS and Paramount.
CBS is responsible for everything that's not JJ Trek, as far as I'm aware they have zero influence over Paramount or JJ's decisions.
In fact it's the opposite. Orci/Kurtzman/Abrams have veto rights on anything CBS can do per contractual stipulations, so CBS has to appeal to them. (Although CBS may have some degree of veto rights on Abrams/Orci/Kurtzman/Paramount.)
Yes, Paramount owns the new movies. CBS owns the TV shows (and I believe expanded that out to include TMP through Nemesis after Abrams' movie was deemed successful.) And they have contracts which give one side certain veto rights for what the other side can do if they believe it will negatively influence their business prospects. (So, for example, Kurtzman could call up John Van Citters at CBS and give a blanket veto to certain TOS centric product releases under the idea that it might impact sales of Abrams merch. And they'd have to negotiate it even if CBS owns TOS outright.)
That said, I think people misunderstand "protecting the franchise." It's about protecting brand recognition and merchandising.
A Galaxy class has to look roughly like a Galaxy class. A Klingon has to look roughly like a Klingon. The concern isn't so much the values or style of presentation. It's that the merchandise doesn't confuse consumers by arbitrarily breaking design rules or casting certain characters in a negative light.
I think Van Citters occasionally had deeper interests than that because, I believe, he used to work for Jesse Heinig at Decipher on the roleplaying game. But overall, anything deeper is going to probably be a suggestion from Van Citters. In general, his role is to keep the merchandise from creating brand confusion.
It's considerably more hands off than something like Hasbro's controls on D&D for Neverwinter because they view story as a consumer product. Van Citters might personally but CBS in general probably views these things primarily as visual trademarks used for merch and I believe CBS discourages story controls if it gets in the way of business dealings. So to the extent that happens, it's probably Van Citters as a fan letting his attitudes creep in or Kurtzman/Orci/Abrams pulling a veto behind the scenes. Because, in general, I think CBS probably views something like STO as a virtual action figure and T-shirt line. I think the books get more involved feedback but as sales dwindled, the impact of allowing them to deviate also dwindled from a merch perspective.
And at the end of the day, CBS and Paramount have the same major owners and collaborate quite a bit. (I think, for example, that comics have to be approved by both although Paramount largely won't intervene as long as somebody doesn't use TOS characters/properties or contradict the destruction of Romulus. And CBS won't intervene a WHOLE LOT if the work is Abrams universe specific.) But TOS stuff should be a place where approvals overlap pretty hard because whatever one side does can have a business impact on the other. (Ie. if Abrams makes Kirk too much of a jerk, CBS will claim it damages perception of their TOS rights by maligning Kirk. And if CBS pushes TOS merch and ships and such too hard, Paramount can claim it cuts into their potential sales.)
It may well be, upon reflection, that too much TOS stuff being approved for STO might be seen by Paramount as a threat to their sales of something like an Abrams Trek MMO or co-op game and so they can put limits on what Van Citters can greenlight to keep demand for 23rd century products less than completely satisfied so that more people will pick up Abramsverse games. Basically, they can probably prohibit eachother from unreasonable competition that would devalue their half of the IP.
Right. But the big TLDR is that ownership doesn't mean that there aren't contracts in place between the companies which allow them to supervise one another.
Orci has claimed to have veto rights (which he has used) on CBS products.
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Um... how?
Well, I mean it certainly is possible, but why?
Did you play the featured episode?
But it cant be via T'Nae. I know Al thinks he has a killer ace up his sleeve with her left on the Enterprise C, but if she did survive, you are telling me after 63 years we havnt noticed anything relevant she changed to the Prime Universe? TNG already saw the effect Tasha had giving birth to Sela. Yeah, alternate T'Nae could still be alive and much older than her Prime counterpart, but she's been out of the picture THIS long? Oh, and shes from the alternate timeline where Romulus ISNT destroyed because the Enterprise C never died valiantly at Narendra III. As that timeline advanced, what reason would there have been to destroy Romulus? Someone said she has knowledge of Romulus' destruction. No, she doesnt, it never happened in her life. I say Captain Walker of the Pastak leaves alternate T'Nae on the C because he knows she just gets killed in the battle, or executed soon after capture and THATS the end of alternate T'Nae. (Unless you wanted to say shes been in a prison locked up, has gotten in touch with her emotions, and wants to WREAK HAVOC on the Romulan empire for all her years in some cold dungeon at the bottom of some moon prison...........Naaaaaaaaaah)
Something that occurred to me, in Yesterday's Enterprise, changing the C's destiny overwrote the Prime Universe (temporarily, thank you Guinan), but during that alternate timeline, was the quantum signature of the crew, and more importantly THAT Tasha that goes back with the C the exact same as the quantum signatures of that crew if a reading was taken during the Farpoint mission? It was both the same Prime Universe (because when you alter the SAME universe, it INSTANTLY changes, JJ Trek didnt instantly change what we now experience in STO, further proof JJ Trek isnt the alternate of the Prime Universe) that we saw two different versions of.
So, the Tasha that went back with the C has the exact same quantum signature as her eventual self will when she's born at the same time Sela was roughly. But, what happens when the same quantum signature experiences an alternate timeline flux, that isnt realigned lets say when you fix that timeline. The rest of the crew's quantum signatures realign with their quantum universe when the timeline is restored (to the one Guinan knows is right) but Tasha's quantum signature never properly realigns, or recovers from its state of flux, because her body didnt experience the quantum realignment when the prime timeline was restored. Her QS cheated by taking a short cut via the anomaly. So now we have a QS in Tasha in flux. Like a volcano ready to erupt, but never gets its chance, because Tasha is executed a few years after Sela's birth. But that QS in flux in Tasha gives BIRTH. What does that do to the QS of Sela? Maybe after a certain amount of years hers goes bonkers like Worf's did in "Parallels"? Huh huh? It could happen. And maybe thats why the "Iconians" have interest in her, she started fluxing, and popped up in other timelines where maybe the Iconians werent destroyed huh huh? All conjecture, but some 4th dimensional Star Trek thinking amirite?
Oh, and if alternate T'Nae WERE still alive in the Prime Universe, her QS never realigned either, because her's cheated too with Tasha. And now she's fluxing all over the alternate universes right about now
Capt. Will Conquest of the U.S.S. Crusader
Y'know how when you save 2 exact pics in a folder? And you can either override the first, or have 2, and the second becomes (1)? Kinda like that. The second version of someone becomes re signatured as (1).
eeeshh, now I'm really sick of reading about quantum mechanics
Disagree. (Im making this stuff up as I go :P ) To back up my theory, Prime Spock has a different QS than Quinto Spock. But if Prime Spock had actually went back in time in his SAME universe, then he and Quinto Spock would have the same QS. I believe the QS stays the same within the same person within the same universe, even if alternates are made and destroyed within it like we saw happen in Yesterday's Enterprise.
Capt. Will Conquest of the U.S.S. Crusader
I like bunnies.
Atleast in the form of a game you get what Ronald Moore said you won't see in Star Trek which is space battles every week. Star Trek was more than just battles which wasn't something delved into until DS9 and then voyagers combat was based on survival.
I think this game for one I don't see being MMORPG's are pretty much about combat so its kind of hard for me to see thousands of players killing romulans for example (the tal shiar) when the setting is that there are only a handful of them left on each side of romulan empire.
The Borg is a given, the set of the tholians is great because its something to build on that the writers from past series didn't go too much into as well as the iconians. There is one factor though and its the only one besides your major established villains that would set the stage for a long term future health of STO. Which would be instead of these reps being per toon that its based on a per faction basis. So if you finish the omega all you would do is open up the stores and then grind up yer gear for the project. So if per say there was a delta quadrant which would sustain the game for years with the amount of content that could be pumped out... Given though my idea would probally take tech the game doesn't have which would be you pick 4 of your characters to be in command of 4 ships you can choose from your faction and then any excess toons you could place as boffs and sort of put in a elite skill setting from guild wars 1 that only actual characters using NPC AI would be beneficial but only as a PvE part of gameplay.
Anyways just my ideas on this because all the speculations and ideas I've read I think it would mix well but I know to keep us interested there has to be a grind but on the other side of it I don't want it to feel like such an overwhelming grind for all the characters I've built up over past couple of years but yet get to enjoy the story too.
You need to know that it's not all CBS's fault, Paramount has control over the Trek movies. And Stahl and his bosses wouldn't dare tell CBS what to do with Star Trek, because they would've lost the contract.
And Abrams reboot doesn't overwrite the Prime Timeline, the old one still exists. The Prime Timeline is far from dead as you believe it to be. There has been several attempts to promote a new Trek TV show in the Prime Timeline, just nothing yet that they think is good enough.
CBS is so protective over "Prime Universe" Trek because it's quite literally all they have.
It's a larger version of the same reason Enterprise used a "Temporal cold war" story arc. To help offset cries of non canon or discontinuity by rabid fans.
The "prime" universe is perfectly intact.
It gets extremely old hearing people whine about JJ and his Trek. Sci fi fans are supposed to be open minded, but all I ever see is dogmatic Trekkies who can't handle change.
JJ Trek is here to stay, it likely will be the next tv series (I've read many rumors the new series may even be a clone wars style animated continuation of the JJ Enterprise crew btw).
Earth Alliance, Centauri Republic, Narn Regime, and (maybe) the Minbari Federation as playable factions, with some compromise in place for players who want to roll League characters like Drazi or whatever. Minbari might be a little OP, at least in space, hence the maybe.
It would probably have to take place during or before the Shadow War to make the most narrative sense. You'd want a few First Ones around for big fleet actions and the like, right?
Anyone complaining about cruiser turn rates in STO would have tons of fun with those bulky Omega-class destroyers.
Anyway. Sela. She's cool too, I guess. I forgot about Taris in TNG's Contagion. Maybe the actress is available should that character return?
Well Sela did show up at Brea where Hakeev was planning to open up the big Gateway, so I guess it remains to be seen what the relationship between Sela and Hakeev was prior to his death. (and yes he is dead after that episode - he is blown to smithereens ala Jack Skelington on Xmas by your torpedo volley)
after being killed by the player a few moments before, of course
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Oh? "my ship" blew him up? Thought "me" and Obisek killed him.
Should redo that scene then. Be funny to see Hakeev's face as he watches his impending doom as photon torpedoes rain down on him, before he could make his grand escape. And have Obisek comment, "Ohh, that's got to hurt."
CBS really let a book with dr.who in the trek universe be made? Maybe the undine have infiltrated CBS and are trying to destroy the trek universe
Tholians, iconians and even the undine could all have something to do with what's going to happen with the romulans. I actually feel the mystery around this is great and I can't wait for what's to come!
Keep up the good work!!
Almost.
The current Doctor Who/Trek crossovers are soft canon comics, but VERY well done.
A good chunk of Trek was inspired by Doctor Who, so don't knock it. The Borg wouldn't be around if not for Doctor Who's Cybermen. The term "reversing the polarity" came from Doctor Who.
Enterprise had an episode with a time ship "bigger on the inside" as a nod to Doctor Who. (they also said behind the scenes they almost made a brief scene where the exterior disguised itself as a police box as a homage but it got vetoed.)
As for the JJ films, they are run by Paramount NOT CBS, The films have separate rights, which is why STO has not yet included any JJ uniforms or ships(yet).
Although I did note the Exeter class looks a lot like a JJ connie..hehe.
I choose purple Drazi.
Death to all green Drazi!!
CBS is not responsible for the JJ Trek movies. I personally enjoyed it and am looking forward for the next one. That said, I do understand that other do not like it. I respect that. If you feel the need to blame anyone for the JJ Trek movies (I know a lot of you out there do) then the blame goes to Paramount.
Thought CBS was responsible for 'protecting' the franchise? Thought that included what paramount could do etc
CBS is responsible for everything that's not JJ Trek, as far as I'm aware they have zero influence over Paramount or JJ's decisions.
Bob Orci has confirmed on several occasions that Paramount and CBS collaborate together regarding the franchise even though films fall under Paramount and television shows fall under CBS.
All righst but feature film and DVD distribution rights were bought up by CBS. In essence, CBS holds rights to everything Star Trek before the Star Trek: 2009 movie. That's why when you look among the copyright statements for Star Trek Online, you only see CBS, not CBS and Paramount.
In fact it's the opposite. Orci/Kurtzman/Abrams have veto rights on anything CBS can do per contractual stipulations, so CBS has to appeal to them. (Although CBS may have some degree of veto rights on Abrams/Orci/Kurtzman/Paramount.)
Yes, Paramount owns the new movies. CBS owns the TV shows (and I believe expanded that out to include TMP through Nemesis after Abrams' movie was deemed successful.) And they have contracts which give one side certain veto rights for what the other side can do if they believe it will negatively influence their business prospects. (So, for example, Kurtzman could call up John Van Citters at CBS and give a blanket veto to certain TOS centric product releases under the idea that it might impact sales of Abrams merch. And they'd have to negotiate it even if CBS owns TOS outright.)
That said, I think people misunderstand "protecting the franchise." It's about protecting brand recognition and merchandising.
A Galaxy class has to look roughly like a Galaxy class. A Klingon has to look roughly like a Klingon. The concern isn't so much the values or style of presentation. It's that the merchandise doesn't confuse consumers by arbitrarily breaking design rules or casting certain characters in a negative light.
I think Van Citters occasionally had deeper interests than that because, I believe, he used to work for Jesse Heinig at Decipher on the roleplaying game. But overall, anything deeper is going to probably be a suggestion from Van Citters. In general, his role is to keep the merchandise from creating brand confusion.
It's considerably more hands off than something like Hasbro's controls on D&D for Neverwinter because they view story as a consumer product. Van Citters might personally but CBS in general probably views these things primarily as visual trademarks used for merch and I believe CBS discourages story controls if it gets in the way of business dealings. So to the extent that happens, it's probably Van Citters as a fan letting his attitudes creep in or Kurtzman/Orci/Abrams pulling a veto behind the scenes. Because, in general, I think CBS probably views something like STO as a virtual action figure and T-shirt line. I think the books get more involved feedback but as sales dwindled, the impact of allowing them to deviate also dwindled from a merch perspective.
And at the end of the day, CBS and Paramount have the same major owners and collaborate quite a bit. (I think, for example, that comics have to be approved by both although Paramount largely won't intervene as long as somebody doesn't use TOS characters/properties or contradict the destruction of Romulus. And CBS won't intervene a WHOLE LOT if the work is Abrams universe specific.) But TOS stuff should be a place where approvals overlap pretty hard because whatever one side does can have a business impact on the other. (Ie. if Abrams makes Kirk too much of a jerk, CBS will claim it damages perception of their TOS rights by maligning Kirk. And if CBS pushes TOS merch and ships and such too hard, Paramount can claim it cuts into their potential sales.)
It may well be, upon reflection, that too much TOS stuff being approved for STO might be seen by Paramount as a threat to their sales of something like an Abrams Trek MMO or co-op game and so they can put limits on what Van Citters can greenlight to keep demand for 23rd century products less than completely satisfied so that more people will pick up Abramsverse games. Basically, they can probably prohibit eachother from unreasonable competition that would devalue their half of the IP.
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Right. But the big TLDR is that ownership doesn't mean that there aren't contracts in place between the companies which allow them to supervise one another.
Orci has claimed to have veto rights (which he has used) on CBS products.