Speaking of D'Tan I cant help but notice some similarities between him and Dastahl.
1 Dan and D'Tan sound a alike
2 Dan and D'Tan look alike minus the ears and ridges
3 There both the leaders or there respective projects
4 T'Tan is building New Romulus; Dan is building new Star Trek
The first thing I thought of when I heard of the Tau Dewa sector block is that reminds me of Mountain Dew.
If it turns out Dan loves to drink Mountain Dew this is gonna be a bit much to be pure coincidence. :P
It is doubtful that he is in Sela's pocket. The Tal Shair wouldn't be approaching him if he was already on their side. D'Tan seem legit in his goal of opposing the "Empress" and appears to want to unite Romulans and restore their heritage, especially after finding the sword and gaining traction with the FED/KDF.
If Sela were around, she probably wouldn't be too happy about this second "Mol Rihan", but she's not around as far as we know. Neither is Hakeev for that matter.
But that makes me wonder, what was the working relationship between Sela and Hakeev? He clearly had connections with what he believed to be Iconians. Did she as well?
In the iconian gate logs in colliseum isn't it stated it had been used to board Sela's ship? Might have been the one hakeev had but I'm pretty sure that gate had been used to get to sela's scimitar.
In the iconian gate logs in colliseum isn't it stated it had been used to board Sela's ship? Might have been the one hakeev had but I'm pretty sure that gate had been used to get to sela's scimitar.
So all that means is that Hakeev and/or one of his agents are just using the gateway to travel to Sela's flagship, for all we know he's just using it to spy on her. Which makes sense seeing as she deposed the Iconian's last important minion costing them outright control of the empire, they probably want to make sure she doesn't unknowingly TRIBBLE up any of their other plans.
In the iconian gate logs in colliseum isn't it stated it had been used to board Sela's ship? Might have been the one hakeev had but I'm pretty sure that gate had been used to get to sela's scimitar.
Just because the Gateway sent someone to Sela's ship doesn't mean she knew about it.
In Contagion Picard ends up on Taris' ship after jumping through the Iconian Gateway and she had no idea he was coming and was arguably not involved with the Iconians at the time.
So all that means is that Hakeev and/or one of his agents are just using the gateway to travel to Sela's flagship, for all we know he's just using it to spy on her. Which makes sense seeing as she deposed the Iconian's last important minion costing them outright control of the empire, they probably want to make sure she doesn't unknowingly TRIBBLE up any of their other plans.
In an odd way, working with the Shadows put in motion a chain of events that led to the rebirth of the Centauri Republic (granted it took the near annihilation of said Republic to make it happen, and Molari didn't live to see it, but it happened) as a member of the galactic community...
Which is one of the possible end-states that the whole Romulan mess has.
Yeah, so if Taris is Mollari, then I guess that would make Sela G'Kar.... Which kinda says bad things about what will happen to EA/Starfleet....
Yeah, so if Taris is Mollari, then I guess that would make Sela G'Kar.... Which kinda says bad things about what will happen to EA/Starfleet....
Playing the Drakh War parallel?
Granted I may be a bit biased by my absolute adoration for the Peter Jurasik/Andreas Katsulas pairing, but I just don't see the Taris/Sela paradigm being analogous.
Although...
We don't actually know what happened to Tomalak do we?
But that makes me wonder, what was the working relationship between Sela and Hakeev? He clearly had connections with what he believed to be Iconians. Did she as well?
It's possible the Iconians approached her first, and were rebuffed, so they went to the next potentially powerful person in the empire.
It's also possible that she accepted their help, but they found out that she was intending to betray them at some point, so they hedged their bets and seeded an alliance with the Tal Shiar in the event that they had to "do away" with the empress.
Granted I may be a bit biased by my absolute adoration for the Peter Jurasik/Andreas Katsulas pairing, but I just don't see the Taris/Sela paradigm being analogous.
Although...
We don't actually know what happened to Tomalak do we?
Well, in the first few seasons they absolutely HATED each other, and in the end G'Kar killed Londo. G'Kar didn't become friends with Londo until the incident with the serum that enhances telepathic powers. I wouldn't say that the two of them were ever good friends...
Well, in the first few seasons they absolutely HATED each other, and in the end G'Kar killed Londo. G'Kar didn't become friends with Londo until the incident with the serum that enhances telepathic powers. I wouldn't say that the two of them were ever good friends...
On the contrary, the two almost singlehandedly became the founding bedrock of what eventually became the Interstellar Alliance (ISA), with G'Kar being the idealist poet backed by Londo's political savvy in wrangling the League of Non-aligned worlds. The transformation from blood enemies to B5's "Odd Couple" was, and still is, one of the best pieces of side-character writing and acting in the entirety of television history. I still get chills when I watch Andy K. play that role.
After their mutual death (G'kar was killed by the Drakh parasite as he killed Londo to prevent Londo from killing Sheridan and Delenn. Londo knew it was the only way for Sheridan and Delenn to survive, and he even calls G'Kar "old friend" in the scene if you listen carefully) Emperor Coto (yup, Vir took over) had twin statues built to represent the friendship between Londo and G'Kar, and it served as the basis for a lasting piece (Unfinished Tales notwithstanding) between Narn and Centauri, and the return of the Centauri to the galaxy at large (after the parasite infested Molari at the end of the Drakh-driven Centauri War, the Centauri became something akin to present-day North Korea).
Granted I may be a bit biased by my absolute adoration for the Peter Jurasik/Andreas Katsulas pairing, but I just don't see the Taris/Sela paradigm being analogous.
Although...
We don't actually know what happened to Tomalak do we?
Are you trying to tell me that G'Kar was Tomalak???
When Admiral T'nae went back in time with the Enterprise C she was captured by the Romulans as well. She was then determined to be from the future and had some knowledge of the destruction of Romulus.
You know what? Taking this one little bit completely out of context from everything else you wrote? If Cryptic somehow used T'Nae going back in time, being captured by the Romulans, and informing them of Romulus' destruction to ultimately UNDO everything J.J. Trek did to the prime universe????...
Love. Absolute love. I would not only bow at Cryptic's feet, but I think most Trekkies would too, and if CBS does indeed believe "It's canon if enough people believe it," I think you'd have an ARMY of Trekkies arguing that Star Trek Online is canon because of how FREAKIN AWESOME of a solution this would be for J.J. ruining a beloved faction of the series.
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As for Tomalak becoming a G'Kar-esque character...I could see it happening. The Tomalak shown in TNG is not so different from what G'Kar was before the Shadow War and the fall of Narn...
Well, he "retired" to Romulus after Sela removed him as proconsul, so I guess it depends on if he was on Romulus when the shockwave hit...
And there's your epiphany moment, seeing his race almost wiped out by the arrogance, deception and greed that so defined his people.
Granted it's missing an acid trip and a chat with an immortal archangel type-character...but I've seen character metamorphoses hinge on shakier ground.
You know what? Taking this one little bit completely out of context from everything else you wrote? If Cryptic somehow used T'Nae going back in time, being captured by the Romulans, and informing them of Romulus' destruction to ultimately UNDO everything J.J. Trek did to the prime universe????...
Love. Absolute love. I would not only bow at Cryptic's feet, but I think most Trekkies would too, and if CBS does indeed believe "It's canon if enough people believe it," I think you'd have an ARMY of Trekkies arguing that Star Trek Online is canon because of how FREAKIN AWESOME of a solution this would be for J.J. ruining a beloved faction of the series.
Can someone remind me - what happens to T'Nae at the end of Temporal Ambassador?
On the contrary, the two almost singlehandedly became the founding bedrock of what eventually became the Interstellar Alliance (ISA), with G'Kar being the idealist poet backed by Londo's political savvy in wrangling the League of Non-aligned worlds. The transformation from blood enemies to B5's "Odd Couple" was, and still is, one of the best pieces of side-character writing and acting in the entirety of television history. I still get chills when I watch Andy K. play that role.
After their mutual death (G'kar was killed by the Drakh parasite as he killed Londo to prevent Londo from killing Sheridan and Delenn. Londo knew it was the only way for Sheridan and Delenn to survive, and he even calls G'Kar "old friend" in the scene if you listen carefully) Emperor Coto (yup, Vir took over) had twin statues built to represent the friendship between Londo and G'Kar, and it served as the basis for a lasting piece (Unfinished Tales notwithstanding) between Narn and Centauri, and the return of the Centauri to the galaxy at large (after the parasite infested Molari at the end of the Drakh-driven Centauri War, the Centauri became something akin to present-day North Korea).
Hmm... good point. I didn't think of that. So could the same happen with Taris and Sela? We'll find out I guess. Maybe Sela rescues Taris from the Iconians?
And yeah, RIP Andreas Katsulas, I miss him. I love that he got one last appearance in Enterprise though.
Can someone remind me - what happens to T'Nae at the end of Temporal Ambassador?
The issue is not what you DO see but what you DON'T see. You don't see her get pulled from the divergent timeline back to the correct one. Thus some people speculate that she got sent back in time with Tasha. But you don't see that either. In fact, you don't see or hear from the alternate T'nae at all after you board the Ent-C. She does apparently board with you though.
You know what? Taking this one little bit completely out of context from everything else you wrote? If Cryptic somehow used T'Nae going back in time, being captured by the Romulans, and informing them of Romulus' destruction to ultimately UNDO everything J.J. Trek did to the prime universe????...
Love. Absolute love. I would not only bow at Cryptic's feet, but I think most Trekkies would too, and if CBS does indeed believe "It's canon if enough people believe it," I think you'd have an ARMY of Trekkies arguing that Star Trek Online is canon because of how FREAKIN AWESOME of a solution this would be for J.J. ruining a beloved faction of the series.
Can someone remind me - what happens to T'Nae at the end of Temporal Ambassador?
T'Nae, Tasha, and Castillo help the player free the Enterprise-C. All four of you fly the Enterprise-C out of the Tholian base, and you're rescued by a Wells Class timeship from the future. As you fly into the temporal portal to return to the past, the Timeship captures you and tells you that you're basically "Not from this timeline" and that they're going to send you back to your own.
However, no mention is made of what happens to T'Nae, who for all intents and purposes isn't from Tasha and Castillo's timeline either. The omission of her side of the story implies that she may have returned into the past aboard the Enterprise-C. It's also possible that the Timeship made sure she didn't return either, but the omission of it leaves it up to question.
Geko says he is aware of it and "has ideas", implying he wanted it to happen, but for what reason? No one is sure. The above reasoning is the best damn story thread that could come of it I've heard, personally.
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If you guys pull a ctrl+z on JJ's universe like that.... Have my babies. Just have them.
They'll have my babies first, damn it, get in line!
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Yeah because we all know paramount will tell JJ to stop filming any more millions of dollars made films because STO decided to have T'Nae undo that timeline.
dstahl calls JJ: "Yo JJ..dstahl here. yeah sorry man, your timeline got nixed in our new mission."
JJ: "Damn. I'll go do Star Wars now..thnx. Can I get free lockboxes and keys?"
If that is ultimately changed, Romulus is saved and Nero/Spock never go back in time, then surely it would leave the new franchise beached with nowhere to go.....
If that is ultimately changed, Romulus is saved and Nero/Spock never go back in time, then surely it would leave the new franchise beached with nowhere to go.....
If that is ultimately changed, Romulus is saved and Nero/Spock never go back in time, then surely it would leave the new franchise beached with nowhere to go.....
The JJ verse is pretty much an "alternate universe" now, not an alternate timeline,. Alternate timelines can be undone. They never called it an alternate "Timeline" in the film. Uhura referred to "alternate universe".
It became a fixed parallel universe, not a dynamic alterable timeline.
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1 Dan and D'Tan sound a alike
2 Dan and D'Tan look alike minus the ears and ridges
3 There both the leaders or there respective projects
4 T'Tan is building New Romulus; Dan is building new Star Trek
The first thing I thought of when I heard of the Tau Dewa sector block is that reminds me of Mountain Dew.
If it turns out Dan loves to drink Mountain Dew this is gonna be a bit much to be pure coincidence. :P
In the iconian gate logs in colliseum isn't it stated it had been used to board Sela's ship? Might have been the one hakeev had but I'm pretty sure that gate had been used to get to sela's scimitar.
So all that means is that Hakeev and/or one of his agents are just using the gateway to travel to Sela's flagship, for all we know he's just using it to spy on her. Which makes sense seeing as she deposed the Iconian's last important minion costing them outright control of the empire, they probably want to make sure she doesn't unknowingly TRIBBLE up any of their other plans.
Just because the Gateway sent someone to Sela's ship doesn't mean she knew about it.
In Contagion Picard ends up on Taris' ship after jumping through the Iconian Gateway and she had no idea he was coming and was arguably not involved with the Iconians at the time.
What you said...
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Playing the Drakh War parallel?
Granted I may be a bit biased by my absolute adoration for the Peter Jurasik/Andreas Katsulas pairing, but I just don't see the Taris/Sela paradigm being analogous.
Although...
We don't actually know what happened to Tomalak do we?
It's possible the Iconians approached her first, and were rebuffed, so they went to the next potentially powerful person in the empire.
It's also possible that she accepted their help, but they found out that she was intending to betray them at some point, so they hedged their bets and seeded an alliance with the Tal Shiar in the event that they had to "do away" with the empress.
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On the contrary, the two almost singlehandedly became the founding bedrock of what eventually became the Interstellar Alliance (ISA), with G'Kar being the idealist poet backed by Londo's political savvy in wrangling the League of Non-aligned worlds. The transformation from blood enemies to B5's "Odd Couple" was, and still is, one of the best pieces of side-character writing and acting in the entirety of television history. I still get chills when I watch Andy K. play that role.
After their mutual death (G'kar was killed by the Drakh parasite as he killed Londo to prevent Londo from killing Sheridan and Delenn. Londo knew it was the only way for Sheridan and Delenn to survive, and he even calls G'Kar "old friend" in the scene if you listen carefully) Emperor Coto (yup, Vir took over) had twin statues built to represent the friendship between Londo and G'Kar, and it served as the basis for a lasting piece (Unfinished Tales notwithstanding) between Narn and Centauri, and the return of the Centauri to the galaxy at large (after the parasite infested Molari at the end of the Drakh-driven Centauri War, the Centauri became something akin to present-day North Korea).
Are you trying to tell me that G'Kar was Tomalak???
Now you're just yanking my chain :cool:
As much as I love Andy K. as an actor, the two characters (at least from my interpretation of what is shown onscreen) couldn't be more different.
G'Kar (after his epiphany) was the paragon of self-sacrifice and acting for the greater good, both of his own people and the galaxy at large.
Tomalak...not so much.
Well said.
RIP Andreas Katsulas - you are beloved and missed by many.
I'd love to see Tomalak return as a character in STO by the way, even if he would sadly have to be unvoiced.
Well, he "retired" to Romulus after Sela removed him as proconsul, so I guess it depends on if he was on Romulus when the shockwave hit...
You know what? Taking this one little bit completely out of context from everything else you wrote? If Cryptic somehow used T'Nae going back in time, being captured by the Romulans, and informing them of Romulus' destruction to ultimately UNDO everything J.J. Trek did to the prime universe????...
Love. Absolute love. I would not only bow at Cryptic's feet, but I think most Trekkies would too, and if CBS does indeed believe "It's canon if enough people believe it," I think you'd have an ARMY of Trekkies arguing that Star Trek Online is canon because of how FREAKIN AWESOME of a solution this would be for J.J. ruining a beloved faction of the series.
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I'll leave you with this (it's missing a few of what I think are his stronger passages, but it suffices): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2UQ2l9NPIg
As for Tomalak becoming a G'Kar-esque character...I could see it happening. The Tomalak shown in TNG is not so different from what G'Kar was before the Shadow War and the fall of Narn...
And there's your epiphany moment, seeing his race almost wiped out by the arrogance, deception and greed that so defined his people.
Granted it's missing an acid trip and a chat with an immortal archangel type-character...but I've seen character metamorphoses hinge on shakier ground.
Can someone remind me - what happens to T'Nae at the end of Temporal Ambassador?
And yeah, RIP Andreas Katsulas, I miss him. I love that he got one last appearance in Enterprise though.
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The Shakespeare quote from the EP had me grinning like a fool.
T'Nae, Tasha, and Castillo help the player free the Enterprise-C. All four of you fly the Enterprise-C out of the Tholian base, and you're rescued by a Wells Class timeship from the future. As you fly into the temporal portal to return to the past, the Timeship captures you and tells you that you're basically "Not from this timeline" and that they're going to send you back to your own.
However, no mention is made of what happens to T'Nae, who for all intents and purposes isn't from Tasha and Castillo's timeline either. The omission of her side of the story implies that she may have returned into the past aboard the Enterprise-C. It's also possible that the Timeship made sure she didn't return either, but the omission of it leaves it up to question.
Geko says he is aware of it and "has ideas", implying he wanted it to happen, but for what reason? No one is sure. The above reasoning is the best damn story thread that could come of it I've heard, personally.
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If you guys pull a ctrl+z on JJ's universe like that.... Have my babies. Just have them.
They'll have my babies first, damn it, get in line!
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Fed: "To Helna and Back", "Rema Donna", "Animations with Helna", "Mudd's Weapons", "Waiting for Wednesday", "Monolith"
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dstahl calls JJ: "Yo JJ..dstahl here. yeah sorry man, your timeline got nixed in our new mission."
JJ: "Damn. I'll go do Star Wars now..thnx. Can I get free lockboxes and keys?"
dstahl: "No." **Hangs up
For one thing I'd doubt the Romulans would ever listen to a Vulcan captured on an enemy ship.
If that is ultimately changed, Romulus is saved and Nero/Spock never go back in time, then surely it would leave the new franchise beached with nowhere to go.....
This is why you don't mess with time travel. lol
Yeah that'd be such a tragedy..
The JJ verse is pretty much an "alternate universe" now, not an alternate timeline,. Alternate timelines can be undone. They never called it an alternate "Timeline" in the film. Uhura referred to "alternate universe".
It became a fixed parallel universe, not a dynamic alterable timeline.
Indeed...