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  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Oh please if the minority ever got their way we would have Cruisers that blow up planets, escorts that blow up if they hit turbulence, Galaxy class with 15 tac consoles , and a captain level BO station, Free everything without playing and instant end game stuff, fleet bases costing 1 mark to get to tier 5 tomorrow.
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  • borgressistanceborgressistance Member Posts: 268 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    cryptic,

    after the patch note's for today,i have to adress some things.


    Dilithium will be rewarded based on the average playtime of the mission.
    All spotlight missions will reward the same as a qualifying mission, with two exceptions:
    Once every 24 hours, the first spotlight mission completed in that time frame will get a bonus 1440 Dilithium.
    Once every 24 hours, the first spotlight mission completed in that time frame will get a scaling amount of Energy Credits, based on the player's level.

    i can understand why you make the decision to get rid of the 1 clickers.
    but what you are trying to do now,go's way beyond that.

    the foundry missions,are mission made by players for players.
    the foundry authors make there missions without the idea of profit,there is the option to donate,but the choice to do so is FREE.
    you use the foundry for youre own greed.
    you use the foundry to generate profit.
    by making the spotlight missions more worth,you make the other missions absolute.
    who is gonna play another mission as the spotlight one's?
    the time spend is almost the same,but the rewards are different.
    why nerf the foundry time after time?
    i know some authors,and for them,there foundry missions are there life work.
    AND YOU NERF IT?
    if you like to repair oldtimers,and you are verry proud,and i like to scratcht the hood,what would you say?

    i'm not upset about the dill you take away again,caue there are many ways to get the dill,but its just the whole idea of what you guys are doing.

    last time with season 7,you decided to TRIBBLE it up.
    and people accept it,why? cause you play a filthy psychologic game.

    what you did then is like this:

    i have 10 dollar,you take all 10 away,but i dont like that so i ask to give it back,you made the choice to give 8 dollar back.
    and you suppose that i'm happy,cause i get some back.

    well in my opinion i still miss 2 dollar,so in my eye's you are still a thief.

    and now you try a different approche,with the same reason: GREED.

    then there is a second point,fleet marks ( from now known as fm)

    you totally erased the fm reward,why?
    the most players do the foundry missions just for the fm.
    and you take it all away again,soo can we suspect a update next week that you give us again a small part back???

    i'm in a great fleet,we have a nice starbase,and good members who donate much,i even see them as friends.
    we will get at t5,in time.
    but thats cause we have members who donate and are not greedy.
    but even we are gonna feel the difference.
    but what about the small fleets?
    how are they supposed to ever get above t3?
    every day i see people asking for a team to make a fleet,and every time i feel sorry for them,cause they dont know what it take's after making one,
    take a look at youre own forum cryptic,there are lots of fleets who have trouble,with members steeling and trying to kick the leader out.or fleet who have problems getting there projects filled.
    you know why?

    cause of patches like this.
    people choose to be an online criminal to get there stuff,instead of playing to get them.
    i dont approve this,but i can understand where it come's from.
    people let do others to hard work,and take what they want.
    cause its not worth to work for it,cause it gets nerfed every time!

    and you talk every day about balancing the fleet system,and this is what you give us?
    i cant see the "balance"in this.

    what i think thats gonna happen soon is this:

    more people who steal for there stuff.
    more fleets who abonden the faith and merge or delete there fleeet.
    less people who play foundry.
    less authors who make missions,and believe me,they make better misssions as you sometime's cryptic!
    a giant drop in youre player database.
    more people who get rude if a fm mission fails.

    cryptic,you are putting the last nail in youre own coffin,sorry to say,but its the truth.
    after all of this the foundry is useless,why not delete the whole foundry?
    after this,making a fleet is useless,so dont allow more fleets?

    cryptic,you are taking away the fun and the rewards for hard honest work away.
    in my opinion you are a gaming company right?
    not a company who make internet criminals?

    i'm sorry to see this change's,and i hope you are willing to take a fresh,new look,out of the eye's of a player on this.

    but forgive me,sometime's i have the feeling that i'm talking to a brick,named cryptic.

    with kind regards and (false) hope.
  • jam062307jam062307 Member Posts: 197 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Taking FM away from foundry missions is going to be a HUGE hit to the KDF fleets out there. I waited 45 minutes for a FM queue to pop yesterday and I got a lousy 16 marks because the team was aweful and couldn't complete Fleet Alert. IOR was the only reliable way to earn a steady reliable amount of FM for the KDF. Not everyone can be online when FM events are happening, or live in timezones that see a lot of people.

    Further more, we've had the same 8 missions to earn FM through for almost 9 months...WE'RE SICK OF GRINDING THE SAME OLD TRIBBLE. The foundry gave us something different to play when we wanted to play it. I have the same complaint about STF's, but in reality you only need to grind STF's for a couple months with the reputation system before you have all the shinies and don't have to look at them ever again, even though they are the most challenging content in the game. And don't get me started on the fleet action dailies, the only one I've ever done on KDF has been fed minefield because it only requires 5 players to pop.
    STOP THE
    tacofangs wrote: »
    We planned on doing it next weekend, but then we saw your post and were like, "Dude, we should totally move that up a week! Tee Hee!"
  • erei1erei1 Member Posts: 4,081 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    marc8219 wrote: »
    Its not just the foundry author community that supports this. People who actually play the game legitimately and can earn dil and FM without the foundry don't like seeing people able to get the same or more rewards for little effort.

    It remains to be seen if the complainers are really a majority or just a very loud minority.
    AFAIK, foundry author never asked the FM to be removed from foundry missions. They just asked to have an appropriate reward for non grindfest mission, which is fine.

    The reward based on time played is fine, even if there will be afk grinders. However, the removal of FM suck.
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  • lordagamemnonb5lordagamemnonb5 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    marc8219 wrote: »
    Its not just the foundry author community that supports this. People who actually play the game legitimately and can earn dil and FM without the foundry don't like seeing people able to get the same or more rewards for little effort.

    It remains to be seen if the complainers are really a majority or just a very loud minority.

    And there is another issue, this so called "legitimate gameplay.". What constitutes "legitimate.?". Why are the majority being forced to spend their free time the way the minority wants them too?

    The IOR was another option. People played them because the fleet ques gave such a low amount of FM and got stale. But eventually people would give self-indulgent and self-absorbed foundry missions a break and go back to the ques for a change of pace.

    No more change of pace.
    How the Devs see Star Trek, apparently:
    Star Trek: The Original Grind
    Star Trek: The Next Grind
    Star Trek: Deep Space Grind
    Star Trek: Voyage to the Grind
  • zerobangzerobang Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    All i see here .... again .... is a serious lack of communication on Cryptic's end.


    I DON'T KNOW WHATS GOING ON!


    And these Patchnotes sound scary...
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  • mn03mn03 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I'm imagining a Dev trying to read this. It's difficult!
    Join date: 5 Feb 2010
  • borgressistanceborgressistance Member Posts: 268 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    hehe,i'm sorry,i'm dutch you know:D

    if you have time,feel free to copy paste it and make it easy to read:D
  • otowiotowi Member Posts: 600 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    zerobang wrote: »
    All i see here .... again .... is a serious lack of communication on Cryptic's end.


    I DON'T KNOW WHATS GOING ON!


    And these Patchnotes sound scary...

    Granted some of the patch notes are ok, but some are more... questionable in nature.

    And yes, Cryptic NEEDS to come clean about changes in general, and also like what we have now with the FM removal from the IOR. Tell us BEFORE you change things, and give us crystal clear reasons as to why.

    Also be willing to actually DISCUSS said changes with the community, so we can give feedback, and maybe come up with solutions that benefit all.
  • chalpenchalpen Member Posts: 2,207 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    This will kill fleet progression in the kdf.
    During the day the fleet queues are about an hour.
    And there is only 1% kdf or whatever stats cryptic uses so it can take a kdf fleet many times longer to get to t5.

    The foundry was the only way to get fm's.
    If cryptic removes a way to acquire something I would appreciate if they could replace it with something new.
    Should I start posting again after all this time?
  • eisenw0lfeisenw0lf Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    chalpen wrote: »
    This will kill fleet progression in the kdf.
    During the day the fleet queues are about an hour.
    And there is only 1% kdf or whatever stats cryptic uses so it can take a kdf fleet many times longer to get to t5.

    The foundry was the only way to get fm's.
    If cryptic removes a way to acquire something I would appreciate if they could replace it with something new.

    Yep, KDF fleets will be dead again when in comes to progression. But even IF we could get into fleet missions without having to wait 30-60 minutes on average to get them started I wouldn't play them, because I don't consider it fun to play a few boring missions dozens of times each just to fill the requirements of ONE starbase/embassy project. There isn't anything to do in STO at the moment besides fleet advancement, so I guess I have to look for another game :rolleyes:
  • ghqcommandghqcommand Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    What about the fact players get rewarded for playing any foundry mission and a very long mission is going to reward more?

    Serious bonus right there.

    I'm currently working on a foundry mission which could takes me many weeks and it could be 30 minutes long. It's a very detailed story line that keeps the player busy in all sorts of ways. I would love to know that players will be well rewarded for playing it and with any luck they will stop being so tight with dil and donate some to authors.
  • chalpenchalpen Member Posts: 2,207 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Turn in contraband for fleet marks maybe?
    Should I start posting again after all this time?
  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Oh no players are being forced to play with other players...dear god Cryptic what have you done. I don't like these people why are you forcing them to play with me Arghhhh. :P
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  • ghqcommandghqcommand Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    As for Macros.

    I understand your point in a way. But at the same time, why let it bother you if other players are playing the doff system on 15 characters plus at the same time running foundry missions to get the officer reports daily plus automatically picking up and discarding loot from their inventory...while they sleep?

    Maybe they have a full-time job and kids and other things in life which means the playtime on their account is equal to many other players. It's not like it gives them everything in the game within even a month.

    However I do admit it is cheating but I still don't care. What annoys me most is the exploits and the fleets with "Elite" in their name who use exploits to sustain the delusion that they are elite players. Give me macros over exploits any-time.
  • arcademasterarcademaster Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I think the problem is that Cryptic's and Players' ideas of what a fleet should be are completely different.

    Yeah I guess expecting fleets to work like guilds in ANY OTHER MMO in existence is asking too much. Where you form a guild with friends and people you like to play with.

    Cryptics visions for fleets is instead to be anonymous mobs of 400 players, randomly ninja invited as they were walking ESD. THAT is the only kind of fleet that will be fine with this.
  • grazyc2#7847 grazyc2 Member Posts: 1,988 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Quit building eons ago, Foundry is far from complete to make a nice story.
    With MOD builder I make better missions then the Foundry.
    Cause every tool is there you can set up cut scenes you can do so much more .
    I even with some help I let Janeway command the defiant in elite force well wana try that in STO not possible I can tell you.....

    Foundry Sucks.... Worst off it Cryptic get your mission and promote it like it's there own ..... Just hate that. :mad:
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  • frontline2042frontline2042 Member Posts: 219 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    o maybe im missing something here but the daily fleet action is still giving fleet marks isnt it? So yeah its not cycling between 2 characters and getting 200 marks and hour, but its not like you are totally screwed. Plus you still have the doff mission for fleet marks
    Ignorance is an obstacle not an excuse
    Let the stupid suffer
  • tc10btc10b Member Posts: 1,549 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    If people would actually god forbid PLAY foundry missions and not just leave Unattended running while they were at work or exploit it to gain max everything possible. This wouldn't be an issue.

    The foundry is supposed to be about creating actual mission type content, not creating an exploit tool so that you can gain max fleet marks, dilithium and loot all at the same time while doing nothing.

    IMO They should have just left quickies alone because now all you're going to get is people trying to exploit the system as much as possible and they are always going to be one step behind.
  • borgressistanceborgressistance Member Posts: 268 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    kirk2390 wrote: »
    .....

    Foundry Sucks.... Worst off it Cryptic get your mission and promote it like it's there own ..... Just hate that. :mad:

    thats just what i mean to say,cryptic decide wich mission get the spotlight status,so they are in control wich mission give's the bonus.
    they never gonna choose a mission who only take 20 minute's,and dont have 1000000000000000000 words of text.
  • chalpenchalpen Member Posts: 2,207 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Yeah I guess expecting fleets to work like guilds in ANY OTHER MMO in existence is asking too much. Where you form a guild with friends and people you like to play with.

    Cryptics visions for fleets is instead to be anonymous mobs of 400 players, randomly ninja invited as they were walking ESD. THAT is the only kind of fleet that will be fine with this.

    You may not realize is that most people in any f2p game suck.
    Not "suck" as is not a good player.
    But "suck" as in a general sociopath.
    Some games have mechanisms to deal with it. Cryptic will never implement anything g like that under any condition. They want us to endure.
    Ever join an stf and see people just stand there and not move?
    Ever do a fleet event and see someone not respawn?
    Ever ask someone to do something and get ignored and that makes everyone wipe?
    How about the fleet event starting with just you because everyone else left?
    Ever have someone yell "help!" 3 feet from the respawn point over and over again?
    You can't do anything because you have objectives and timers.
    These aren't stupid people. This is sociopathy. In some countries this sort of behavior may have been detected.
    That is why people did the foundry missions. To avoid the 99%.
    A broken foundry mission is still better that "does anyone know how to deploy my pets" 3 minutes into an stf.
    Should I start posting again after all this time?
  • l0cutus359l0cutus359 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    This is the wrong way to "fix" whatever problem Cryptic thinks they have.....

    We need more ways to get Fleet Marks, not less. I am bored with the existing Fleet Missions and I don't feel like grinding them anymore. Our fleet is quite skilled and can knock theses missions outa of the park, but the reward is too low given the SB requirements.

    As I stated in another thread, we had been exploring different Foundry missions the past few months and found many that were fun....but now the reward has been nerf'd.

    More and more players will just drift away not wanting to play the same, limited set of missions for Fleet Marks.

    I have buckets of Omega Marks with nothing to do with them, let us use them for Fleet Marks.... lets have some creativity here on other ways to get all these silly currencies.

    <sigh>

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  • tc10btc10b Member Posts: 1,549 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    kirk2390 wrote: »
    Foundry Sucks.... Worst off it Cryptic get your mission and promote it like it's there own ..... Just hate that. :mad:

    I'm sure that as part of the foundry EULA, what you create does become theirs. No doubt it's a legal thing to prevent you from suing them.

    If you didn't want nerfs to the foundry, you shouldn't be TRIBBLE it whilst asleep/at work or whatever. The game is supposed to reward people actually playing the game.

    While there are groups who will continue to exploit it en masse, there will continue to be nerfs to the foundry up to and including I would imagine removing rewards altogether. Food for thought perhaps?
  • tc10btc10b Member Posts: 1,549 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    thats just what i mean to say,cryptic decide wich mission get the spotlight status,so they are in control wich mission give's the bonus.
    they never gonna choose a mission who only take 20 minute's,and dont have 1000000000000000000 words of text.

    That's not even True, some of the foundry spotlight missions at the moment are quite short, involve combat and have a good storyline. Maybe you should actually play some of these missions.
  • thestargazethestargaze Member Posts: 1,020 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I am not too happy about this. My time on STO limited. When I get on it feels like all I do on STO is grinding, .. more grinding. I realize that some people all they do is grind and perhaps enjoy it,.. but what about the rest.

    The most fun time I had when playing STO lately was this Time Ambassador mission. No grinding,.. just enjoying myself.

    This daily was for me to get to a chance not only get dilithium but also fleet marks on top of enjoying a mission made by a player. Some of the missions on the foundry are maybe not my taste,.. but there are some good ones (that doesn't tale hours).

    There are just to many grinding items. And then you are feeling bad because you are so way behind,.. and you see others having their sets and playing much better than you because of it.

    I just feel this is the wrong way to go around this.

    Instead,.. limit the foundary. Make sure "good" and "proper" missions are available. Remove the mini-mes and grind mission content only. A lot of people will probably reject to this notion but whatever. Examples like "Spectres" for example is what I think is a good mission.. and want more of that. Also the layout for the foundry is terrible. What if I want to replay a mission.. but then i can't find it because I can't remember its name.
  • lordagamemnonb5lordagamemnonb5 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    neoakiraii wrote: »
    Oh no players are being forced to play with other players...dear god Cryptic what have you done. I don't like these people why are you forcing them to play with me Arghhhh. :P

    It's about options, and having a solo option along with a multiplayer option for obtaining FM was a nice way to ease the grind. I did both as time and fleet availability dictated what I had time for.

    I have no options now because a few people got their feelings hurt because no one were playing their overdone missions or because no one was playing the game they felt it should be "legitamitley" played.
    How the Devs see Star Trek, apparently:
    Star Trek: The Original Grind
    Star Trek: The Next Grind
    Star Trek: Deep Space Grind
    Star Trek: Voyage to the Grind
  • justin2384justin2384 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    this is the tread that brought this all on just so you all know who to thank...
    http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=537351
  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    It's about options, and having a solo option along with a multiplayer option for obtaining FM was a nice way to ease the grind. I did both as time and fleet availability dictated what I had time for.

    I have no options now because a few people got their feelings hurt because no one were playing their overdone missions or because no one was playing the game they felt it should be "legitamitley" played.

    Cryptic made a statement after Fleet week when they returned the Fleet marks back to the Foundry that it will stay as of right now, but not that they were permanent, the foundry authors have nothing to do with that.
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  • solomacesolomace Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    neoakiraii wrote: »
    Oh no players are being forced to play with other players...dear god Cryptic what have you done. I don't like these people why are you forcing them to play with me Arghhhh. :P

    neoakiraii wrote: »
    When "Fleet Week" happened and they added Fleet marks to the foundry it was temporary, then they added them back after the event, saying As of now Fleet marks were staying, they never said it would stay forever. it was eventful that they were going to be removed.

    Now you have to work with your fleet mates now and earn your marks, instead of soloing it.

    neoakiraii wrote: »
    That would suck if you're in a fleet alone....but if you're in a fleet fleet with people not so bad.;)
    neoakiraii wrote: »
    So are you guys leaving again like when season 7 happend:rolleyes:


    And they say I offer nothing in my posts as a Hater.

    But a member of the CDF, well they can pretty much say what they want and nothing is said...

    Every thread you pop up and don't offer anything except waving those cheerleader pom poms.

    Are you a Dev in disguise? Maybe the Nagus?
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  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    solomace wrote: »
    And they say I offer nothing in my posts as a Hater.

    But a member of the CDF, well they can pretty much say what they want and nothing is said...

    Every thread you pop up and don't offer anything except waving those cheerleader pom poms.

    Are you a Dev in disguise? Maybe the Nagus?

    I like poking the bears.
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