Well, I don't like J'mpok at all, but I'd want even less to see Jarod in charge of the Empire. He's just a treacherous Duras, a honorless PetaQ and he should have no say so in Empire affairs. The only reason he is a factor in STO is because the Duras supported the House of J'mpok to come to power so he can reinstate their House in return.
If this happens and Jarod comes into power in the Empire, I can't see any peace between the Federation & the Klingon Empire since the Duras are all famous for loving their Romulan care bears. One can argue that this is STO and not the series, but we've all seen who wrote the letter (according to Cryptic) that endorsed D'Tan and the need KDF to get involved in helping New Romulus. So there we go - Duras with the Rommies once again :P
If he comes to power I can only see him running to Sela.
- KDF Ambassador Syon vocalizing her objection to the discussions of possible peace talks with the UFP due to recent Borg and Undine activities.Hegh'bat, Stardate 66588.8
tbh i dont care that much as long as it means kdf will get same amount of ships missions episodes hell feds even get more fleet action with dilthium rewards.
Well, I don't like J'mpok at all, but I'd want even less to see Jarod in charge of the Empire. He's just a treacherous Duras, a honorless PetaQ and he should have no say so in Empire affairs. The only reason he is a factor in STO is because the Duras supported the House of J'mpok to come to power so he can reinstate their House in return.
If this happens and Jarod comes into power in the Empire, I can't see any peace between the Federation & the Klingon Empire since the Duras are all famous for loving their Romulan care bears. One can argue that this is STO and not the series, but we've all seen who wrote the letter (according to Cryptic) that endorsed D'Tan and the need KDF to get involved in helping New Romulus. So there we go - Duras with the Rommies once again :P
If he comes to power I can only see him running to Sela.
I wouldn't say that, from what I've seen of Jarod in game, he doesn't seem to share his parents' generations ideas and methods. I think it could be quite an ironic twist of fate that it turns out to be the House of Duras that saves the Alpha Quadrant and become the heroes of the Empire.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
This character is why I don't play my Romulan any more. Tovan Khev is NOT my BFF! Get him off my bridge!
I wouldn't say that, from what I've seen of Jarod in game, he doesn't seem to share his parents' generations ideas and methods. I think it could be quite an ironic twist of fate that it turns out to be the House of Duras that saves the Alpha Quadrant and become the heroes of the Empire.
Let's just have a faction-agnostic mission that reveals that J'mpok and Quinn are Undine and send players from the opposing faction to kill them, THEN make some peace.
Let's just have a faction-agnostic mission that reveals that J'mpok and Quinn are Undine and send players from the opposing faction to kill them, THEN make some peace.
Some questions...
Why would Warriors from a Warrior-based culture ever want to make peace?
Where is the honor in dying in one's bed like some drooling, decrepit tooth-less terran grandmother?
What Klingon songs of glory ever start with "I fell and cannot get up"?
War is everything.
Peace is truly for cowards.
Qapla'
"Dammit J'mpok! I'm a Warrior, not a Worrier!"
- KDF Ambassador Syon vocalizing her objection to the discussions of possible peace talks with the UFP due to recent Borg and Undine activities.Hegh'bat, Stardate 66588.8
Additionally, I am to the belief that allowing each player to make a choice and allowing klingon to choose, would be better in the long run.
This is really what i want to see, the ability, at some point, for klingon character players (real KDF players, not alts you play twice a month), to choose if they are at peace with the feds or not. I mean, i don't mind if warmongers are a minority, as long as KDF players and not devs make the call. At some point, i really think players should make some decisions instead of being babisitted by devs with episodes. It's supposed to be a game we can play, not a TV show we can watch, and games where players are completely passive listeners aren't fun at all.
Even in point and click or RPG games, which are the best examples of story telling, you can make basic decisions influencing the rest of your experience. In STO you can't, you have cutscenes, your faction is ruled by NPCs taking all interesting decisions for you, and all you can do is sit and watch the said cutscenes. Who would like to play a brainless dictatorship ruled by NPCs? Because that's what this game is, currently, and IMO this part of the game isn't fun at all.
Of course fed players could have the ability to take the same decision too, but i bet their naivety will lead them to sue for peace at any cost. :P
Maybe it's my experience as faction leader in another MMO which leads me to say that, but i really think player made decisions are far more compelling than a stupid NPC ruling your game.
Why would Warriors from a Warrior-based culture ever want to make peace?
Where is the honor in dying in one's bed like some drooling, decrepit tooth-less terran grandmother?
What Klingon songs of glory ever start with "I fell and cannot get up"?
War is everything.
Peace is truly for cowards.
Qapla'
You'll have plenty of honor fighting against the Iconians. But your best chance for success against those honorless petaQs is if you join forces with the Feds. We won the Dominion War together, didn't we?
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them." -Thomas Marrone
I've got a question about this thread in genreral:
On what level are we discussing this?
As players or as some kind of pseudo-RPing folks who actually think they are characters in the Star Trek universe?
I want the Federation and the Klingons to be more aggressive towards one another. I don't want to just pass by some Klink in sector space, I want to feel the feeling of "Oh S***" when I see a Klingon in sector space.
Players, but some of us DO play "In character" and want the story we're playing to have, at minimum, decent internal consistency.
Thanks, but I've gotta say this makes it a helluva difficult to read the whole thread because I'm not always sure who's doing it in character and who isn't.;)
I want the Federation and the Klingons to be more aggressive towards one another. I don't want to just pass by some Klink in sector space, I want to feel the feeling of "Oh S***" when I see a Klingon in sector space.
+1
Being the "bad guy" in MMOs, for me, has been pretty satisfying up until now.
Thanks, but I've gotta say this makes it a helluva difficult to read the whole thread because I'm not always sure who's doing it in character and who isn't.;)
Does it matter?
*shoots some random feddie in the face with their own phaser*
Whether one is RPing or not, their opinion is just as meaningful and valid.
I have to RP conflict because this game really fails at times with delivering it.
Am one of the many players who choose to play KDF solely because they were billed as "The PVP Faction" by cryptic.
We in turn handed the feddies their collective TRIBBLE many times over to the point, they asked for FvF so to deny us the means to XP up. I remember those days and it was said on the forums as to why. Short memories around here *cough*
Sure, there were some really good PVPers on the feddie side but only a few. Most were too busy playing it up in Candyland and when they came to PVP, only ended up here on the forums crying for nerfs and access to KDF equipment.
Even if the feddies had the exact same gear as us, they still lose. Remember the cry for carriers? I remember the day they got them and they still cried after getting slaughtered in the queues.
Actually, it is no wonder there is such a cry of peace. Some are still vengeful for the past pew-pew, some want the devs to be able to focus more on the only ST faction in their eyes and some just want to play Candyland Online.
I been role-playing AND PVPing in games such as Anarchy Online, EVE, Star Wars Galaxies, Shadowbane, Ultima Online. Mass, open FFA slaughtering, running, crying, all-out PVP.
Now I spend my time on the forums, wondering where the fun went and why?
Fighting "together" with enemies to address a so-called "greater" threat is just more proof that the feddies are trying to co-opt us out of fighting them proper.
Let's have a war.
"Dammit J'mpok! I'm a Warrior, not a Worrier!"
- KDF Ambassador Syon vocalizing her objection to the discussions of possible peace talks with the UFP due to recent Borg and Undine activities.Hegh'bat, Stardate 66588.8
Whether one is RPing or not, their opinion is just as meaningful and valid.
And where did I say anything about "less valid"?
I said it's difficult to read.
Especially when people are, like you just did, jumping between the two.
It's all I meant by it, don't put words into my mouth.
A Klingon would not consider himself a "bad guy", so you just jumped from out-of-character to in-character.
And where did I say anything about "less valid"?
I said it's difficult to read.
Especially when people are, like you just did, jumping between the two.
It's all I meant by it, don't put words into my mouth.
That first quote, I was explaining something to a specific poster other than yourself.
OOC is not enforceable or mandatory on forums, just so you know.
Did you check out the Shadowclan link, btw? Here's another one to the "About Shadowclan" page.
It states we play "bad guys" ingame. We always consider ourselves to be the good guys but we like to frame things for those we kill so they understand us better and appreciate our intent at being high-quality opposition.
*sips some unnamed beverage then decides to slip into something more comfortable*
The "Does it matter?" part was meant for you.
*shoots some random feddie in the face with their own phaser*
Since your avatar is KDF, I figured you would not consider yourself a random feddie and take the RP as a discontinuation in discussion.
The rest of my post was directed at all the others who have brought up this very subject of RPers RPing while in discussions of peace talks. Not the first time this popped up. Old forums had that going on.
As for being confused... let's correct that, shall we?
Thanks, but I've gotta say this makes it a helluva difficult to read the whole thread because I'm not always sure who's doing it in character and who isn't.;)
As a member of the KDF, I always try to keep my words consistent with my thoughts and deeds as a Warrior, whether in-game, on the forums or in-character.
Was not ever my intent to put words in your mouth. I hate it when others do that to me.
Qapla'
"Dammit J'mpok! I'm a Warrior, not a Worrier!"
- KDF Ambassador Syon vocalizing her objection to the discussions of possible peace talks with the UFP due to recent Borg and Undine activities.Hegh'bat, Stardate 66588.8
Well as it has been said before, each player should be able to choose between peace and war.
Personally I would choose peace since I want to team up with Feds in Defera and Nukara (for efficiency's sake), get in PuGs with Fed friends without having to time our queueing perfectly to be in the same STF. And since there are already cross-faction episodes (Devidian, Reman, Dominion, Breen, Species 8472) I should be able to team up for them (and them alone) with Feds.
However, that is only my personal opinion and peace (or war) should not be forced upon everyone.
However, that is only my personal opinion and peace (or war) should not be forced upon everyone.
A Ferasan wants peace?
What a puss..ycat!
Thanks for your opinion but we must warn you that such dangerous talk could be construed as acts against the Empire and thus, be considered treason.
Also be advised, this situation has progressed past standard hydro-spray behavioral reinforcement.
Soon you will be escorted to the nearest medical station, where there, through various means, procedures will be performed to ensure that you do not reproduce and taint other honorable warrior blood-lines of your race.
Choose your next words carefully for they may be your last.
Qapla'
"Dammit J'mpok! I'm a Warrior, not a Worrier!"
- KDF Ambassador Syon vocalizing her objection to the discussions of possible peace talks with the UFP due to recent Borg and Undine activities.Hegh'bat, Stardate 66588.8
Thanks for your opinion but we must warn you that such dangerous talk could be construed as acts against the Empire and thus, be considered treason.
Also be advised, this situation has progressed past standard hydro-spray behavioral reinforcement.
Soon you will be escorted to the nearest medical station, where there, through various means, procedures will be performed to ensure that you do not reproduce and taint other honorable warrior blood-lines of your race.
Choose your next words carefully for they may be your last.
Qapla'
Honorable warriors, ha! Half of the High Council is Species 8472 and the Klingons have not yet realized it!
I don't really care if it's peace or war, as long as there are Borg and Terrans to fight! (I wouldn't mind more rebels either, I need the accolades :P)
That first quote, I was explaining something to a specific poster other than yourself.
Which is why I put it in a seperate quoting box.
I did not respond to it, I responded to the second quote.
I used the first quote as an example to show what I was referring to, probably should've made that a little clearer.
Did you check out the Shadowclan link, btw? Here's another one to the "About Shadowclan" page.
It states we play "bad guys" ingame. We always consider ourselves to be the good guys but we like to frame things for those we kill so they understand us better and appreciate our intent at being high-quality opposition.
*sips some unnamed beverage then decides to slip into something more comfortable*
The "Does it matter?" part was meant for you.
*shoots some random feddie in the face with their own phaser*
Since your avatar is KDF, I figured you would not consider yourself a random feddie and take the RP as a discontinuation in discussion.
The rest of my post was directed at all the others who have brought up this very subject of RPers RPing while in discussions of peace talks. Not the first time this popped up. Old forums had that going on.
1. Have you actually read the opening post of this thread, it asked specificaly what the players thought of the idea.
Hence I was assuming that this was first and foremost directed at the players.
Hence the confusion. And no, it still doesn't mean I want OOC enforced or anything like that.
2. So you think I must be RPing outside Ten Forward (which is where RPing should take place foremost) to be KDF, otherwise I'm Fed?
What...?!
3. I know the old discussion http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=216095
it was opened IC so it was hardly that it would be done IC.
As for being confused... let's correct that, shall we?
As a member of the KDF, I always try to keep my words consistent with my thoughts and deeds as a Warrior, whether in-game, on the forums or in-character.
Was not ever my intent to put words in your mouth. I hate it when others do that to me.
Qapla'
I never assume anything else from my fellow KDF players (IC or OOC).
tlhIngan maH!
Now let's drop this, it's distracting from the real issue.:)
Now let's drop this, it's distracting from the real issue.:)
HIja', tlhIngan maH!
Qapla'!
"Dammit J'mpok! I'm a Warrior, not a Worrier!"
- KDF Ambassador Syon vocalizing her objection to the discussions of possible peace talks with the UFP due to recent Borg and Undine activities.Hegh'bat, Stardate 66588.8
Honorable warriors, ha! Half of the High Council is Species 8472 and the Klingons have not yet realized it!
I don't really care if it's peace or war, as long as there are Borg and Terrans to fight! (I wouldn't mind more rebels either, I need the accolades :P)
*rolls up some archaic parchment*
HIghoS!
"Dammit J'mpok! I'm a Warrior, not a Worrier!"
- KDF Ambassador Syon vocalizing her objection to the discussions of possible peace talks with the UFP due to recent Borg and Undine activities.Hegh'bat, Stardate 66588.8
The Klingons had the balls to stop the Undine infiltration of not only their empire but the Gorn Hegemony as well. But when they asked the Federation for help they where told no, despite the evidence. It was the UFP that started this war and now they can't take it? Well to flippin' bad your going down.
The only peace to be had will be in the graveyards of the UFP as we drink over their corpses and sing our songs!!!!
Honorable warriors, ha! Half of the High Council is Species 8472 and the Klingons have not yet realized it!
Doubtful any still exist on the High Council. Tests where run and according to the STO backstory at least one whole house was destroyed in the process and wiped from its place on the council.
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them." -Thomas Marrone
Push the Devs to create some fed missions that allow the individual fed player to realize that Undine have infiltrated to the very top of the UFP and the KDF was right afterall
This would facilitate a Section 31 mission can both allow the fed to apoligise and petition the High Council to work with KDF forces to fight the greater enemy.
Do the same for the KDF but from the PoV of our side of things.
Tie it all together so it makes sense to the playerbase instead of the forced storyline that wehave now.
Thats my beef with it. It has no good story and was forced upon us, this co-op against the greater foe. Forced after the KDF tried get feds in from the begining and where rebuked.
Forced upon us and given a fed flavor as if it was thier idea all along.
Do I want to see this game present a Peace between the Empire and Federation?
No, I would like instead to actually see all the deeply interesting and complex insinuations found by scouring this game's BACKSTORY brought to the forefront and fed to us over the first 20 levels of our Faction, instead of, well, nothing.
This is a bit like asking if we would prefer to go to Kyoto Japan or stay at home for vacation and do local Japaneesy things for 2 weeks, after reading up on Japan and Kyoto for 3 years.
Hey, yeah we can go do all that stuff when we finally have enough saved away, or, you know, get to go to the Japanese market here in this state for a few weeks, but do it right now.
No, thanks. I'd rather keep saving and eventually go to Japan... er... I mean get to actually SEE this war we keep hearing about.
(Kyoto is amazing, by the way, and so much better than just schleping to the nearest Mitsuwa Market - though Mitsuwa does feel a lot like the Japanese supermarkets I've been in)
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In one way I can see peace as being a good thing as it means more people in the pool to do STFs and other group stuff with , especially for us poor Klingons.
On the other hand though no, so many nos in fact. There needs to be a actual war first not this farce of a ''war'' we have now with a few instanced zones and Kerrat. Plus as others have said the only thing stopping the KDF from getting rolled into a sub faction of the Federation while every Starfleet captain and his targ are flying round in a bird of prey or a Negh'var.
Add meaningful content to the KDF so its actually worth playing them from a story perspective and so the faction can level up from 1 like the Federation, tidy up the whole mess that is the KDF and Fed combined story line of the Undine infiltration and add in some actual PvP with a decent meta game like territory control for example.
So tldr version: while I can see some benefits of peace I feel it would be the last nail in the coffin of the KDF as a independent faction.
- Formerly Captain Zipa, lifer that recently returned.
Peace with the feds? Now why would we want that... Instead I say extend the warzones! Turn all of the eta eridani block into a giant battlefield! Fed and KDF NPCs fighting constantly, players able to join in and slaughter each other, and constant attacks from NPCs from both factions at all times!
Ex. I enter Eta Eridani, start to make my way to drazona. Suddenly a neg'vhar decloaks in front of me and I enter a loading screen. I drop out of warp and find myself suddenly in the middle of a fight with a dozen Klingon ships. Then fed reinforcements drop out of warp and we all fight until all of one side is dead. If you win, you get the choice of hanging around and fighting reinforcements or leaving. If you lose (yes, LOSE), you are captured and you have to fight your way out of a Klingon brig, and then you can warp out after beaming back to your broke-#$% ship.
Also if they implement this, you should get rewards for winning (ECs, bonus expertise, loot, whatever), and if you lose, well that's your problem :P
Alternate: drop out of warp into a fight already going on between fed and KDF ships. Join in the fun. Reinforcements show up for both sides and a real fight gets going. Note: both of these examples are applicable for both fed and KDF players. Winner is last side standing.
Another idea: have special zones where there is constant fighting between fed and KDF ships that you can warp in, and NPCs spawn every two or three minutes, and the spawns are random and designed to compensate for existing situation (i.e. if the KDF ships won and there are no fed ships around, the next fed spawn is larger and has more powerful ships so that balance can be restored, and vice versa). Also have random dreadnought spawns (i.e. Vo'quvs, Bortas, Odysseys, Jupiters, etc). You get loot after you leave (determined by how many spawns you survived/stayed for, but have a cap so players don't just stay there unless they want to fight)
Turn the warzone into an actual warzone! TRIBBLE this peace bull-TRIBBLE!
It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once.
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If this happens and Jarod comes into power in the Empire, I can't see any peace between the Federation & the Klingon Empire since the Duras are all famous for loving their Romulan care bears. One can argue that this is STO and not the series, but we've all seen who wrote the letter (according to Cryptic) that endorsed D'Tan and the need KDF to get involved in helping New Romulus. So there we go - Duras with the Rommies once again :P
If he comes to power I can only see him running to Sela.
Borg, Undine, Feddies, House Traitors...
Kill them all.
Honor comes from the fight not the finish.
- KDF Ambassador Syon vocalizing her objection to the discussions of possible peace talks with the UFP due to recent Borg and Undine activities. Hegh'bat, Stardate 66588.8
I wouldn't say that, from what I've seen of Jarod in game, he doesn't seem to share his parents' generations ideas and methods. I think it could be quite an ironic twist of fate that it turns out to be the House of Duras that saves the Alpha Quadrant and become the heroes of the Empire.
This character is why I don't play my Romulan any more. Tovan Khev is NOT my BFF! Get him off my bridge!
That's what they want us to think.
Some questions...
Why would Warriors from a Warrior-based culture ever want to make peace?
Where is the honor in dying in one's bed like some drooling, decrepit tooth-less terran grandmother?
What Klingon songs of glory ever start with "I fell and cannot get up"?
War is everything.
Peace is truly for cowards.
Qapla'
- KDF Ambassador Syon vocalizing her objection to the discussions of possible peace talks with the UFP due to recent Borg and Undine activities. Hegh'bat, Stardate 66588.8
This is really what i want to see, the ability, at some point, for klingon character players (real KDF players, not alts you play twice a month), to choose if they are at peace with the feds or not. I mean, i don't mind if warmongers are a minority, as long as KDF players and not devs make the call. At some point, i really think players should make some decisions instead of being babisitted by devs with episodes. It's supposed to be a game we can play, not a TV show we can watch, and games where players are completely passive listeners aren't fun at all.
Even in point and click or RPG games, which are the best examples of story telling, you can make basic decisions influencing the rest of your experience. In STO you can't, you have cutscenes, your faction is ruled by NPCs taking all interesting decisions for you, and all you can do is sit and watch the said cutscenes. Who would like to play a brainless dictatorship ruled by NPCs? Because that's what this game is, currently, and IMO this part of the game isn't fun at all.
Of course fed players could have the ability to take the same decision too, but i bet their naivety will lead them to sue for peace at any cost. :P
Maybe it's my experience as faction leader in another MMO which leads me to say that, but i really think player made decisions are far more compelling than a stupid NPC ruling your game.
God, lvl 60 CW. 17k.
You'll have plenty of honor fighting against the Iconians. But your best chance for success against those honorless petaQs is if you join forces with the Feds. We won the Dominion War together, didn't we?
"Ending a battle to save an Empire is no defeat".
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them."
-Thomas Marrone
On what level are we discussing this?
As players or as some kind of pseudo-RPing folks who actually think they are characters in the Star Trek universe?
I want the Federation and the Klingons to be more aggressive towards one another. I don't want to just pass by some Klink in sector space, I want to feel the feeling of "Oh S***" when I see a Klingon in sector space.
Thanks, but I've gotta say this makes it a helluva difficult to read the whole thread because I'm not always sure who's doing it in character and who isn't.;)
+1
Being the "bad guy" in MMOs, for me, has been pretty satisfying up until now.
Does it matter?
*shoots some random feddie in the face with their own phaser*
Whether one is RPing or not, their opinion is just as meaningful and valid.
I have to RP conflict because this game really fails at times with delivering it.
Am one of the many players who choose to play KDF solely because they were billed as "The PVP Faction" by cryptic.
We in turn handed the feddies their collective TRIBBLE many times over to the point, they asked for FvF so to deny us the means to XP up. I remember those days and it was said on the forums as to why. Short memories around here *cough*
Sure, there were some really good PVPers on the feddie side but only a few. Most were too busy playing it up in Candyland and when they came to PVP, only ended up here on the forums crying for nerfs and access to KDF equipment.
Even if the feddies had the exact same gear as us, they still lose. Remember the cry for carriers? I remember the day they got them and they still cried after getting slaughtered in the queues.
Actually, it is no wonder there is such a cry of peace. Some are still vengeful for the past pew-pew, some want the devs to be able to focus more on the only ST faction in their eyes and some just want to play Candyland Online.
I been role-playing AND PVPing in games such as Anarchy Online, EVE, Star Wars Galaxies, Shadowbane, Ultima Online. Mass, open FFA slaughtering, running, crying, all-out PVP.
Shout out to Shadowclan.
Now I spend my time on the forums, wondering where the fun went and why?
Fighting "together" with enemies to address a so-called "greater" threat is just more proof that the feddies are trying to co-opt us out of fighting them proper.
Let's have a war.
- KDF Ambassador Syon vocalizing her objection to the discussions of possible peace talks with the UFP due to recent Borg and Undine activities. Hegh'bat, Stardate 66588.8
Because of stuff like this.
A Klingon would not consider himself a "bad guy", so you just jumped from out-of-character to in-character.
And where did I say anything about "less valid"?
I said it's difficult to read.
Especially when people are, like you just did, jumping between the two.
It's all I meant by it, don't put words into my mouth.
That first quote, I was explaining something to a specific poster other than yourself.
OOC is not enforceable or mandatory on forums, just so you know.
Did you check out the Shadowclan link, btw? Here's another one to the "About Shadowclan" page.
It states we play "bad guys" ingame. We always consider ourselves to be the good guys but we like to frame things for those we kill so they understand us better and appreciate our intent at being high-quality opposition.
*sips some unnamed beverage then decides to slip into something more comfortable*
The "Does it matter?" part was meant for you.
*shoots some random feddie in the face with their own phaser*
Since your avatar is KDF, I figured you would not consider yourself a random feddie and take the RP as a discontinuation in discussion.
The rest of my post was directed at all the others who have brought up this very subject of RPers RPing while in discussions of peace talks. Not the first time this popped up. Old forums had that going on.
As for being confused... let's correct that, shall we?
As a member of the KDF, I always try to keep my words consistent with my thoughts and deeds as a Warrior, whether in-game, on the forums or in-character.
Was not ever my intent to put words in your mouth. I hate it when others do that to me.
Qapla'
- KDF Ambassador Syon vocalizing her objection to the discussions of possible peace talks with the UFP due to recent Borg and Undine activities. Hegh'bat, Stardate 66588.8
Personally I would choose peace since I want to team up with Feds in Defera and Nukara (for efficiency's sake), get in PuGs with Fed friends without having to time our queueing perfectly to be in the same STF. And since there are already cross-faction episodes (Devidian, Reman, Dominion, Breen, Species 8472) I should be able to team up for them (and them alone) with Feds.
However, that is only my personal opinion and peace (or war) should not be forced upon everyone.
The friendship hand from Federation is nothing more than a tactic to control us. They suit best in front of our weapons.
Ain't Nobody Got Time for That
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
A Ferasan wants peace?
What a puss..ycat!
Thanks for your opinion but we must warn you that such dangerous talk could be construed as acts against the Empire and thus, be considered treason.
Also be advised, this situation has progressed past standard hydro-spray behavioral reinforcement.
Soon you will be escorted to the nearest medical station, where there, through various means, procedures will be performed to ensure that you do not reproduce and taint other honorable warrior blood-lines of your race.
Choose your next words carefully for they may be your last.
Qapla'
- KDF Ambassador Syon vocalizing her objection to the discussions of possible peace talks with the UFP due to recent Borg and Undine activities. Hegh'bat, Stardate 66588.8
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Honorable warriors, ha! Half of the High Council is Species 8472 and the Klingons have not yet realized it!
I don't really care if it's peace or war, as long as there are Borg and Terrans to fight! (I wouldn't mind more rebels either, I need the accolades :P)
Which is why I put it in a seperate quoting box.
I did not respond to it, I responded to the second quote.
I used the first quote as an example to show what I was referring to, probably should've made that a little clearer.
Did I say it is or should be?
No, you're once again interpreting too much into it.
1. Have you actually read the opening post of this thread, it asked specificaly what the players thought of the idea.
Hence I was assuming that this was first and foremost directed at the players.
Hence the confusion. And no, it still doesn't mean I want OOC enforced or anything like that.
2. So you think I must be RPing outside Ten Forward (which is where RPing should take place foremost) to be KDF, otherwise I'm Fed?
What...?!
3. I know the old discussion
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=216095
it was opened IC so it was hardly that it would be done IC.
I never assume anything else from my fellow KDF players (IC or OOC).
tlhIngan maH!
Now let's drop this, it's distracting from the real issue.:)
HIja', tlhIngan maH!
Qapla'!
- KDF Ambassador Syon vocalizing her objection to the discussions of possible peace talks with the UFP due to recent Borg and Undine activities. Hegh'bat, Stardate 66588.8
*rolls up some archaic parchment*
HIghoS!
- KDF Ambassador Syon vocalizing her objection to the discussions of possible peace talks with the UFP due to recent Borg and Undine activities. Hegh'bat, Stardate 66588.8
The Klingons had the balls to stop the Undine infiltration of not only their empire but the Gorn Hegemony as well. But when they asked the Federation for help they where told no, despite the evidence. It was the UFP that started this war and now they can't take it? Well to flippin' bad your going down.
The only peace to be had will be in the graveyards of the UFP as we drink over their corpses and sing our songs!!!!
R.I.P
Just out of curiosity, what does that mean?
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Push the Devs to create some fed missions that allow the individual fed player to realize that Undine have infiltrated to the very top of the UFP and the KDF was right afterall
This would facilitate a Section 31 mission can both allow the fed to apoligise and petition the High Council to work with KDF forces to fight the greater enemy.
Do the same for the KDF but from the PoV of our side of things.
Tie it all together so it makes sense to the playerbase instead of the forced storyline that wehave now.
Thats my beef with it. It has no good story and was forced upon us, this co-op against the greater foe. Forced after the KDF tried get feds in from the begining and where rebuked.
Forced upon us and given a fed flavor as if it was thier idea all along.
Meh, it needs a rewrite.
R.I.P
No, I would like instead to actually see all the deeply interesting and complex insinuations found by scouring this game's BACKSTORY brought to the forefront and fed to us over the first 20 levels of our Faction, instead of, well, nothing.
This is a bit like asking if we would prefer to go to Kyoto Japan or stay at home for vacation and do local Japaneesy things for 2 weeks, after reading up on Japan and Kyoto for 3 years.
Hey, yeah we can go do all that stuff when we finally have enough saved away, or, you know, get to go to the Japanese market here in this state for a few weeks, but do it right now.
No, thanks. I'd rather keep saving and eventually go to Japan... er... I mean get to actually SEE this war we keep hearing about.
(Kyoto is amazing, by the way, and so much better than just schleping to the nearest Mitsuwa Market - though Mitsuwa does feel a lot like the Japanese supermarkets I've been in)
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On the other hand though no, so many nos in fact. There needs to be a actual war first not this farce of a ''war'' we have now with a few instanced zones and Kerrat. Plus as others have said the only thing stopping the KDF from getting rolled into a sub faction of the Federation while every Starfleet captain and his targ are flying round in a bird of prey or a Negh'var.
Add meaningful content to the KDF so its actually worth playing them from a story perspective and so the faction can level up from 1 like the Federation, tidy up the whole mess that is the KDF and Fed combined story line of the Undine infiltration and add in some actual PvP with a decent meta game like territory control for example.
So tldr version: while I can see some benefits of peace I feel it would be the last nail in the coffin of the KDF as a independent faction.
- Formerly Captain Zipa, lifer that recently returned.
Ex. I enter Eta Eridani, start to make my way to drazona. Suddenly a neg'vhar decloaks in front of me and I enter a loading screen. I drop out of warp and find myself suddenly in the middle of a fight with a dozen Klingon ships. Then fed reinforcements drop out of warp and we all fight until all of one side is dead. If you win, you get the choice of hanging around and fighting reinforcements or leaving. If you lose (yes, LOSE), you are captured and you have to fight your way out of a Klingon brig, and then you can warp out after beaming back to your broke-#$% ship.
Also if they implement this, you should get rewards for winning (ECs, bonus expertise, loot, whatever), and if you lose, well that's your problem :P
Alternate: drop out of warp into a fight already going on between fed and KDF ships. Join in the fun. Reinforcements show up for both sides and a real fight gets going. Note: both of these examples are applicable for both fed and KDF players. Winner is last side standing.
Another idea: have special zones where there is constant fighting between fed and KDF ships that you can warp in, and NPCs spawn every two or three minutes, and the spawns are random and designed to compensate for existing situation (i.e. if the KDF ships won and there are no fed ships around, the next fed spawn is larger and has more powerful ships so that balance can be restored, and vice versa). Also have random dreadnought spawns (i.e. Vo'quvs, Bortas, Odysseys, Jupiters, etc). You get loot after you leave (determined by how many spawns you survived/stayed for, but have a cap so players don't just stay there unless they want to fight)
Turn the warzone into an actual warzone! TRIBBLE this peace bull-TRIBBLE!