Why does this thread still exist? It's a seventy-year-old ship, guys. It shouldn't even be in use at this point. And no, neither should the Excelsior. And as for the NX, it's explicitly stated to be replicas. And the NX isn't in mainstream use anyway -- I've never seen it in mobs. T'varo is a bit more problematic, except it fits with the current Romulan aesthetic, unlike the Galaxy, which sticks out like a sore thumb beside the established white-hull look of the 25th century.
You want a Galaxy-ish ship that won't crumble into dust if you touch it? Fly the Venture. It's a 25th-century version of the same design, so it has reason to be moderately viable. Oh and does no one but me remember that the Galaxy lost horribly against everything it ever encountered before the crew saved the day with DeM technobabble? Except, ironically, the time it was used as a disposable background ship and shoved some Galors out of the way? Rule of Drama, sure, but it's still canon.
"Enemy ship on sensors, sir! They're firing! Shields offline!" "Fire phasers and photon torpedoes!" "No effect, sir. They have magic shields. They're firing again! Weapons offline! Hull breaches on C and E decks!" - Every battle in Star Trek that didn't involve the Defiant
Why does this thread still exist? It's a seventy-year-old ship, guys. It shouldn't even be in use at this point. And no, neither should the Excelsior. And as for the NX, it's explicitly stated to be replicas. And the NX isn't in mainstream use anyway -- I've never seen it in mobs. T'varo is a bit more problematic, except it fits with the current Romulan aesthetic, unlike the Galaxy, which sticks out like a sore thumb beside the established white-hull look of the 25th century.
You want a Galaxy-ish ship that won't crumble into dust if you touch it? Fly the Venture. It's a 25th-century version of the same design, so it has reason to be moderately viable. Oh and does no one but me remember that the Galaxy lost horribly against everything it ever encountered before the crew saved the day with DeM technobabble? Except, ironically, the time it was used as a disposable background ship and shoved some Galors out of the way? Rule of Drama, sure, but it's still canon.
"Enemy ship on sensors, sir! They're firing! Shields offline!" "Fire phasers and photon torpedoes!" "No effect, sir. They have magic shields. They're firing again! Weapons offline! Hull breaches on C and E decks!" - Every battle in Star Trek that didn't involve the Defiant
70 years old? are you talking about the ambassador? its like, 45 years old, not quite half way through its intended life span.
half the playable ships in the game are as old or older, and all of them are better, this is not a justification you can use for anything. the venture is just a costume, and so is the galaxy for that mater. we just don't feel like saying exploration cruiser retrofit when we refer to the ship the threads about.
and like you point out, all the battles play out as plot demands, so why is the galaxy the ONLY ship that is held to a canon standard? the galor was close to harmless to a galaxy class, yet it could not be a better ship comparatively in game. the personal dev bias and selective reasoning responsible for making this fan favorite, ship with most air time, this bad, is just appalling.
Sigh. Why do people insist on making the argument that I already specifically addressed in my post? The Intrepid shouldn't be in this game. The Defiant shouldn't. The Sovereign, the Miranda, the Excelsior, the Constitution, the Saber. Just "refit" designs. It's a bit sketchier with other factions, because designing new ships for them might be more difficult. But even so, you're right. Galors shouldn't really be in use anymore, although given the fact that the Cardassian faction barely even exists anymore since the Dominion wiped the floor with them, I actually can see them being used. Although they should fall apart like wet paper.
But the only ship that is consistently taken seriously, and argued for as some sort of god ship, is the Galaxy. People are saying that it should be the best ship in the fleet. Because people kiss the ground Picard walks on, with the excuse that it's supposedly underpowered. People don't say thing like this about other ships. Except the Constitution, but that whole phenomenon is considered a joke. This should be too.
Oh and my mistake about the age. Same difference, though. Were P-51s used in Vietnam?
And even so, the point has more to do with visual consistency than anything. The 24th century had a "look": ugly, misshapen chunks of plastic with red and blue lights. The 25th century has a "look" too: sleek, white-hulled ships with black highlights. The Galaxy doesn't fit that. And neither do most of the other ships we're using, which is why they should be retired.
Actually the P-51 was in service in other countries well into the 1980's. And they are still used in aerial competitions today.
No one here is asking for a god ship. We want the galaxy on par with the rest of the fleet, it currently is way behind due to its boff and console layout. Not to mention the model/textures all need redone from ground up for both Galaxy X and R, as well as just about every other canon ship.
How they can have the source material and a ST license and still not get simple stuff like the ship models right is honestly beyond me. The current galaxy class does not reflect what it should be. If it did, would there be a 680+ page thread about it?
the galor was close to harmless to a galaxy class, yet it could not be a better ship comparatively in game. the personal dev bias and selective reasoning responsible for making this fan favorite, ship with most air time, this bad, is just appalling.
Why does this thread still exist? It's a seventy-year-old ship, guys. It shouldn't even be in use at this point. And no, neither should the Excelsior. And as for the NX, it's explicitly stated to be replicas. And the NX isn't in mainstream use anyway -- I've never seen it in mobs. T'varo is a bit more problematic, except it fits with the current Romulan aesthetic, unlike the Galaxy, which sticks out like a sore thumb beside the established white-hull look of the 25th century.
Like ddis said, it's about 50 years old by now. What I want to specifically point out is that this is half of her minimal intended service age, which is 100 years. So yeah, it is suposed to be in use.
You want a Galaxy-ish ship that won't crumble into dust if you touch it? Fly the Venture. It's a 25th-century version of the same design, so it has reason to be moderately viable. Oh and does no one but me remember that the Galaxy lost horribly against everything it ever encountered before the crew saved the day with DeM technobabble? Except, ironically, the time it was used as a disposable background ship and shoved some Galors out of the way? Rule of Drama, sure, but it's still canon.
How is this helping anything? Even if I put on the Venture skin, it will still be the same Galaxy-R setup that is the whole point of this thread in the first place.
I'm just going to say this: the two biggest phaser arrays in the Quadrant. Blowing chunks the size of her saucer off a Borg cube. You've said it yourself, if they made the ship OP and indestructible on every ocassion, it would make for a boring show. However, it was never as lackluster as her portrayal in STO.
"Enemy ship on sensors, sir! They're firing! Shields offline!" "Fire phasers and photon torpedoes!" "No effect, sir. They have magic shields. They're firing again! Weapons offline! Hull breaches on C and E decks!" - Every battle in Star Trek that didn't involve the Defiant
Yes, because the Defiant didn't have her posterior handed to her on multiple ocassions as well. :rolleyes:
Sigh. Why do people insist on making the argument that I already specifically addressed in my post? The Intrepid shouldn't be in this game. The Defiant shouldn't. The Sovereign, the Miranda, the Excelsior, the Constitution, the Saber. Just "refit" designs. It's a bit sketchier with other factions, because designing new ships for them might be more difficult. But even so, you're right. Galors shouldn't really be in use anymore, although given the fact that the Cardassian faction barely even exists anymore since the Dominion wiped the floor with them, I actually can see them being used. Although they should fall apart like wet paper.
You're missing the point of STO. Unfortunately (in my opinion) it has turned into a theme park and memorabilia collecting for the fans. What you're saying here is to trash everything people know and came to love from the shows, in order to add an entirely new layer. While this may actually work, I personally don't think Cryptic is the studio to succesfully make it happen anyway.
And I'm not sure why are you saying this now, since it's pretty evident where the game has gone and it's still going. We already have ships from the ENT era at end-game, so what you're saying is pretty pointless anyway.
But the only ship that is consistently taken seriously, and argued for as some sort of god ship, is the Galaxy. People are saying that it should be the best ship in the fleet. Because people kiss the ground Picard walks on, with the excuse that it's supposedly underpowered. People don't say thing like this about other ships. Except the Constitution, but that whole phenomenon is considered a joke. This should be too.
So you want the iconic ships of Star Trek to be treated like a joke?
I'm not sure if you payed attention, but these type of discussions happen very often on the boards about all the iconic ships - most notably the Constitution - because it's not playable at T5 and the Galaxy - because it's one of the most lackluster ships in STO. There often are threads about the Defiant and Intrepid as well, they just haven't picked up pace because those ships are actually usefull in some role, especially the Defiant.
The only difference between those and the Galaxy topic is that we converged here in a single thread instead of many of us starting multiple random threads every now and then.
Oh and my mistake about the age. Same difference, though. Were P-51s used in Vietnam?
100 years of intended service. The first ones built are at half of their intended age. Others are even younger.
And comparing starships from the 24-th century in a science fiction universe with contemporary means of warfare and what was used in Vietnam is a bit silly.
And even so, the point has more to do with visual consistency than anything. The 24th century had a "look": ugly, misshapen chunks of plastic with red and blue lights. The 25th century has a "look" too: sleek, white-hulled ships with black highlights. The Galaxy doesn't fit that. And neither do most of the other ships we're using, which is why they should be retired.
Says you. To me the 24-th century look is Star Trek - it's sleek, fluid, easy and ellegant. This 25-th century look Cryptic is pulling looks way over the top to me, with too many useless lignts on the hulls, spikes, fins and other stuff inspired from other franchises and generally Mass Effect looking to me, which IMHO completely sucks. The only thing I like from the 25-th centuty "look" is the white hull material because it reminds me of TOS, but that black is just over the top and intended to catch a 'badass' look to the ship, which is not very Starfleet.
In short, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. But saying that a ship should be removed because you don't like how it looks is a bit silly, if not arrogant.
Especially in the current state of STO where there's isn't really any 25-th century look, because we can have Borg spikes sticking from our ships, shields that completely alter the look of a ship, deflector and engine effects that color the visuals differently, etc., etc. That's your 25-th century look - a hot mess MMO style.
Why does this thread still exist? It's a seventy-year-old ship, guys. It shouldn't even be in use at this point. And no, neither should the Excelsior. And as for the NX, it's explicitly stated to be replicas. And the NX isn't in mainstream use anyway -- I've never seen it in mobs. T'varo is a bit more problematic, except it fits with the current Romulan aesthetic, unlike the Galaxy, which sticks out like a sore thumb beside the established white-hull look of the 25th century.
you forget the ambassador...you known, the predecessor of the galaxy:rolleyes:
anyhow you just confirm what i said about people that use the supposed lifespan argument:
what is the argument that have been repeted the most on thread like this by people who bielieve that this ship is good as is?
" its an old ship. "
and even if can be logically demonstrated that it is no older than an ambassador or exelsior, and that he is just 10 years older than a sovy, this point of view remain, why?
because that how the brain work.
like drunk said, it is the the ship that was onscreen for the longest time of all franchise of star trek.
many people watch it when they were young and it was on the air a long time ago now.
and it was then ( in the mind of average trek fan ) replace by the sovereign.
so there is a "before" sovereign era and an "after".
in the collective unconscious of star trek fan it is a thing of the past, a pre ds9 era ship, a pre first contact. it can not be made competitive with the "nowaday" ship.
that is exactly why they don't made it better with the reboot and also why they don't have a problem to enhance the escort bo layout in the blog 20.
all other ship ( exept the constitution ) don't have that footprint that the galaxy have in the collective inconcious, and that why these both ship must be represented with level and stats that most people would bielieve they should have in comparison to other.
the exelsior can be made more powerfull than a sovereign because no one really known, but not a galaxy.
an ambassador can match the sovy....but not the galaxy
Sigh. Why do people insist on making the argument that I already specifically addressed in my post? The Intrepid shouldn't be in this game. The Defiant shouldn't. The Sovereign, the Miranda, the Excelsior, the Constitution, the Saber. Just "refit" designs. It's a bit sketchier with other factions, because designing new ships for them might be more difficult. But even so, you're right. Galors shouldn't really be in use anymore, although given the fact that the Cardassian faction barely even exists anymore since the Dominion wiped the floor with them, I actually can see them being used. Although they should fall apart like wet paper.
ship classes from the tng era were built to be in service for at least 100 years, with new examples being built for decades. they were probably making galaxy class till the 2390s, and they will be in service 100 years from their build date, at least. the excelsior in tng was older then the galaxy or anything of similar age would be in STO.
But the only ship that is consistently taken seriously, and argued for as some sort of god ship, is the Galaxy. People are saying that it should be the best ship in the fleet. Because people kiss the ground Picard walks on, with the excuse that it's supposedly underpowered. People don't say thing like this about other ships. Except the Constitution, but that whole phenomenon is considered a joke. This should be too.
nice exaggeration. there's a small mountain of evidence showing it to be the most powerful fed ship in canon, if you want to get in a debate about canon performance. no one complains about the other canon ships because they don't suck in game, only the galaxy does.
the reason for this thread is simple. the galaxy class is one of the most iconic ships in the franchise, stared in its own show, was seen in every dominion war battle, showed up at least twice in voyager, and was even in the last episode of enterprise. no ship can match that screen time. yet, in game, its the worst ship by a mile, with a dysfunctional station setup, worthless console setup, bottom of the barrel mobility, the worst cruiser dps potential. no cruiser is worse then it at filling any role you can think of. DPS? worst. healing? several tac cruisers do it better. tanking? several tac cruisers do it better. we want that to change, at least ever so. all it would take is a modest addition of a universal ENS station, it would still be the worst cruiser but it would be twice as good as it is now. but more then that would sure be nice, and more then justified.
Oh and my mistake about the age. Same difference, though. Were P-51s used in Vietnam?
And even so, the point has more to do with visual consistency than anything. The 24th century had a "look": ugly, misshapen chunks of plastic with red and blue lights. The 25th century has a "look" too: sleek, white-hulled ships with black highlights. The Galaxy doesn't fit that. And neither do most of the other ships we're using, which is why they should be retired.
the look is of 25th century stuff is ether very industrial looking, or a clear evolution from the 2360s look. being a blocky phaser array'less relic didn't stop the miranda or excelsior from being used during TNG and beyond.
Why does this thread still exist? It's a seventy-year-old ship, guys. It shouldn't even be in use at this point. And no, neither should the Excelsior. And as for the NX, it's explicitly stated to be replicas. And the NX isn't in mainstream use anyway -- I've never seen it in mobs. T'varo is a bit more problematic, except it fits with the current Romulan aesthetic, unlike the Galaxy, which sticks out like a sore thumb beside the established white-hull look of the 25th century.
You want a Galaxy-ish ship that won't crumble into dust if you touch it? Fly the Venture. It's a 25th-century version of the same design, so it has reason to be moderately viable. Oh and does no one but me remember that the Galaxy lost horribly against everything it ever encountered before the crew saved the day with DeM technobabble? Except, ironically, the time it was used as a disposable background ship and shoved some Galors out of the way? Rule of Drama, sure, but it's still canon.
"Enemy ship on sensors, sir! They're firing! Shields offline!" "Fire phasers and photon torpedoes!" "No effect, sir. They have magic shields. They're firing again! Weapons offline! Hull breaches on C and E decks!" - Every battle in Star Trek that didn't involve the Defiant
1. 70 year old ship more (50 years old as stated by other posters) rated for 100 years of service.
2. Whether you or other like it or not if older ships are gonna be in use and have decent setups (Excelsior as you mentioned) then so should the Galaxy.
3. The venture is a tier 4.5 and the skin for the Fleet Galaxy. So we can fly it but it either lacks the stats of other fleet ships or is the exact ship we are trying to get upgraded. Seems if you gonna come into a thread and make a statement you should atleast know a few facts about what you are talking about.
4. All shows have to have enemies that can harm you or its gonna be a boring show. For all the crappy it gets beat up episodes it has others where it does great or knocks the TRIBBLE out of other ships. Though rating how it should do by the show shouldn't be the standard, it should be as good as other ships rated at fleet level are, just with different advantages and disadvantages.
You sound as though by your last commit you either don't like trek or atleast didn't much enjoy the Next Gen if thats all you got from the show. Either way I like the design of the ship as much as the fact it was in the Next Gen. I want a ship that I can actually do some good in without spending a ton just to play catch up with other lesser geared cruisers.
I don't need to repeat what other people said already, but I'd like to ask: Why does this bother you? I mean even if we got a new Galaxy class this thread wouldn't have to stop since we are a more or less active group discussing the Galaxy and how it could be portrayed in this game. This topic will "die" when all participants don't want to discuss it any longer. To some of us this is simply fun - the people taking this issue WAY to seriously are usually those against any kind of change in STO.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
I contributed a related question and concealed the fact that it's Explorer-related. Maybe it'll slip through this way
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
galaxy class cruiser is being call a "luxuary liner" from it detractor...
well, we are about to find out!
for the risian summer event we can win a "REAL" luxuary liner.
since no one have been able to win the little challenge i have post, it is somehow crytal clear that you CAN'T get a worst bo layout than the galaxy retrofit, so, the risian liner would automatically be better.
and it must, otherwise what would be the reason to do all the things that are required to get one if you end up with something even " as good" as the galaxy retrofit, hehe!
so even if a dev would desire to prove me wrong... he can't, bound to provide to player something that have the power to force them to do all that must be done to aquire one.
so now, we can finally predict that even in the ' luxuary liner" class, the galaxy retrofit is at the bottom:rolleyes:.
i can't wait to see the stats of this new cruiser.:)
yep, now a literal cruise ship will be better then a supposed cruise ship
drunk you know all this is for naught summer event will be over in just a little bit and I suspect that they are hard at work on the new errrrrrrr,,,,,,,,,,,,,factions which will have tons of new ships that will out class this thing plus I always wondered who still flies anything that isn't a fleet ship all other ships are inferior ( not including odd and vesta and the new patrol)
Amusingly I've always called the Odyssey the overdeveloped, overly aesthetic luxury liner, especially when people say "Just make all of the current Typhoons into Odysseys and it'll solve the problem."
The Galaxy doesn't even look like it's overly aesthetic.
So, anyone taking bets on how many ships named the Titanic or Fhloston Paradise are going to come out of that new Risian ship?
drunk you know all this is for naught summer event will be over in just a little bit and I suspect that they are hard at work on the new errrrrrrr,,,,,,,,,,,,,factions which will have tons of new ships that will out class this thing plus I always wondered who still flies anything that isn't a fleet ship all other ships are inferior ( not including odd and vesta and the new patrol)
But that´s the fun part! Even this quickly forgotten liner cruiser will overclass the galaxy.
Hehe even the ra star cruiser is superior to the fleet galaxy!
drunk you know all this is for naught summer event will be over in just a little bit and I suspect that they are hard at work on the new errrrrrrr,,,,,,,,,,,,,factions which will have tons of new ships that will out class this thing plus I always wondered who still flies anything that isn't a fleet ship all other ships are inferior ( not including odd and vesta and the new patrol)
But that's just the thing - I assume most of us here who have a Galaxy-R actually have the fleet variant. So, we're essentially discussing the Fleet Galaxy-R, which is still inferior to almost every other fleet ship, plus it's inferior even to some 9 console T5 ships that are not fleet variants.
But that's just the thing - I assume most of us here who have a Galaxy-R actually have the fleet variant. So, we're essentially discussing the Fleet Galaxy-R, which is still inferior to almost every other fleet ship, plus it's inferior even to some 9 console T5 ships that are not fleet variants.
(...)
My fleet doesn't have a T4 shipyard yet, I'm still embracing the original R :cool:
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
1500 crew, 2 universal bo and of course the 4 cruiser command!
" yeah, but you anderstand, we can't give your 6 base/25 inertia galaxy x a lt commander, it will be overpowered then, common be serious now!"
YEAH, SURE!
i quit starfleet, going to join these guy that live with short 24H/24H 7/7 on risa, with the plan of my galaxy x i am sure they will retrofit it better than what starfleet could do.
my mother warn me tho, don't go to starfleet, they only got pakled engeener she said.
yep, now a literal cruise ship will be better then a supposed cruise ship
Yeah that was my first thought when I saw the stats for the Risan "Luxary" Cruiser. So this party barge is better then a ship that was Flagship of the United Federation of Planets for nearly 10 years...um...okay.:( Maybe Starfleet should stop producing starships all-together and have the risans build party boats instead. :rolleyes:
Well that did it for me. Cryptic make something that should have been a freighter non combat ish ship into a freaking assault cruiser?! Seriously? Yet the galaxy class gets spit on repeatedly. Ya I'm completely done with this game, and this company.
It doesnt even remotely feel like a ST game any more which is kinda the whole point of being Star Trek Online. The stories are ripped off from stargate, there is more alien ships at ESD then federation ships. The devs half a$$ so much of their work its sad, and they get paid for it....
Yeah that was my first thought when I saw the stats for the Risan "Luxary" Cruiser. So this party barge is better then a ship that was Flagship of the United Federation of Planets for nearly 10 years...um...okay.:( Maybe Starfleet should stop producing starships all-together and have the risans build party boats instead. :rolleyes:
there's no evidence the flagship ever stopped being a galaxy class. they has several opportunities to refer to the E as the flagship, but never did. in first contact they even mentioned the flagship was destroyed. a galaxy class would have been the flagship till the launch of the enterprise F, yet in game they make it the worst ship.
at least this cruise ship aint all that desirable if you already have a fleet excelsior. for a LT eng turned universal, and +2 turn rate you lose a turn console. it having all 4 cruiser commands means its not a battle cruiser, so 10 turn rate aint a big deal really.
at least this cruise ship aint all that desirable if you already have a fleet excelsior. for a LT eng turned universal, and +2 turn rate you lose a turn console. it having all 4 cruiser commands means its not a battle cruiser, so 10 turn rate aint a big deal really.
well, my galaxy x is not a battlecruiser but i i'll take the 10 turn rate anytime...... and the 40 inertia, and the lt commander.
i promise i will not make a big deal about it.
i give them back my hangar if i have to:rolleyes:
i want to grind this ship just to name it THE LOVEBOAT and go kick some TRIBBLE in arena with it.
scimitar, bug, patrol escort, delhan, avenger.... beware, the LOVEBOAT is commingXD!
well, my galaxy x is not a battlecruiser but i i'll take the 10 turn rate anytime...... and the 40 inertia, and the lt commander.
i promise i will not make a big deal about it.
i give them back my hangar if i have to:rolleyes:
i want to grind this ship just to name it THE LOVEBOAT and go kick some TRIBBLE in arena with it.
scimitar, bug, patrol escort, delhan, avenger.... beware, the LOVEBOAT is commingXD!
this aint DHC capable. battlecruiser= DHC builds possible= turn rate is actually important. but ya, 10 would be snazzy on a dread. even separated its turn potential sucks, because everything that buffs turn rate still does math against the base of 6.
there's no evidence the flagship ever stopped being a galaxy class. they has several opportunities to refer to the E as the flagship, but never did. in first contact they even mentioned the flagship was destroyed. a galaxy class would have been the flagship till the launch of the enterprise F, yet in game they make it the worst ship.
at least this cruise ship aint all that desirable if you already have a fleet excelsior. for a LT eng turned universal, and +2 turn rate you lose a turn console. it having all 4 cruiser commands means its not a battle cruiser, so 10 turn rate aint a big deal really.
i thought picard was upset they did not allower the federation flagship to particapate. refering to the enterprise-e
but it;s been a long time sense i saw first contact so i could be mistaken
personally the galaxy would make a better flagship any way as it has more civilian and diplomatic areas on board the sov just does not have the room which would be a better show to other civilizations then a ship built ONLY for fighting
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Why does this thread still exist? It's a seventy-year-old ship, guys. It shouldn't even be in use at this point. And no, neither should the Excelsior. And as for the NX, it's explicitly stated to be replicas. And the NX isn't in mainstream use anyway -- I've never seen it in mobs. T'varo is a bit more problematic, except it fits with the current Romulan aesthetic, unlike the Galaxy, which sticks out like a sore thumb beside the established white-hull look of the 25th century.
You want a Galaxy-ish ship that won't crumble into dust if you touch it? Fly the Venture. It's a 25th-century version of the same design, so it has reason to be moderately viable. Oh and does no one but me remember that the Galaxy lost horribly against everything it ever encountered before the crew saved the day with DeM technobabble? Except, ironically, the time it was used as a disposable background ship and shoved some Galors out of the way? Rule of Drama, sure, but it's still canon.
"Enemy ship on sensors, sir! They're firing! Shields offline!" "Fire phasers and photon torpedoes!" "No effect, sir. They have magic shields. They're firing again! Weapons offline! Hull breaches on C and E decks!" - Every battle in Star Trek that didn't involve the Defiant
70 years old? are you talking about the ambassador? its like, 45 years old, not quite half way through its intended life span.
half the playable ships in the game are as old or older, and all of them are better, this is not a justification you can use for anything. the venture is just a costume, and so is the galaxy for that mater. we just don't feel like saying exploration cruiser retrofit when we refer to the ship the threads about.
and like you point out, all the battles play out as plot demands, so why is the galaxy the ONLY ship that is held to a canon standard? the galor was close to harmless to a galaxy class, yet it could not be a better ship comparatively in game. the personal dev bias and selective reasoning responsible for making this fan favorite, ship with most air time, this bad, is just appalling.
But the only ship that is consistently taken seriously, and argued for as some sort of god ship, is the Galaxy. People are saying that it should be the best ship in the fleet. Because people kiss the ground Picard walks on, with the excuse that it's supposedly underpowered. People don't say thing like this about other ships. Except the Constitution, but that whole phenomenon is considered a joke. This should be too.
Oh and my mistake about the age. Same difference, though. Were P-51s used in Vietnam?
And even so, the point has more to do with visual consistency than anything. The 24th century had a "look": ugly, misshapen chunks of plastic with red and blue lights. The 25th century has a "look" too: sleek, white-hulled ships with black highlights. The Galaxy doesn't fit that. And neither do most of the other ships we're using, which is why they should be retired.
No one here is asking for a god ship. We want the galaxy on par with the rest of the fleet, it currently is way behind due to its boff and console layout. Not to mention the model/textures all need redone from ground up for both Galaxy X and R, as well as just about every other canon ship.
How they can have the source material and a ST license and still not get simple stuff like the ship models right is honestly beyond me. The current galaxy class does not reflect what it should be. If it did, would there be a 680+ page thread about it?
Quoted for obvious truth.
You could always ignore it if it bothers you that much.
Like ddis said, it's about 50 years old by now. What I want to specifically point out is that this is half of her minimal intended service age, which is 100 years. So yeah, it is suposed to be in use.
How is this helping anything?
I'm just going to say this: the two biggest phaser arrays in the Quadrant. Blowing chunks the size of her saucer off a Borg cube. You've said it yourself, if they made the ship OP and indestructible on every ocassion, it would make for a boring show. However, it was never as lackluster as her portrayal in STO.
Yes, because the Defiant didn't have her posterior handed to her on multiple ocassions as well. :rolleyes:
You're missing the point of STO. Unfortunately (in my opinion) it has turned into a theme park and memorabilia collecting for the fans. What you're saying here is to trash everything people know and came to love from the shows, in order to add an entirely new layer. While this may actually work, I personally don't think Cryptic is the studio to succesfully make it happen anyway.
And I'm not sure why are you saying this now, since it's pretty evident where the game has gone and it's still going. We already have ships from the ENT era at end-game, so what you're saying is pretty pointless anyway.
So you want the iconic ships of Star Trek to be treated like a joke?
I'm not sure if you payed attention, but these type of discussions happen very often on the boards about all the iconic ships - most notably the Constitution - because it's not playable at T5 and the Galaxy - because it's one of the most lackluster ships in STO. There often are threads about the Defiant and Intrepid as well, they just haven't picked up pace because those ships are actually usefull in some role, especially the Defiant.
The only difference between those and the Galaxy topic is that we converged here in a single thread instead of many of us starting multiple random threads every now and then.
100 years of intended service. The first ones built are at half of their intended age. Others are even younger.
And comparing starships from the 24-th century in a science fiction universe with contemporary means of warfare and what was used in Vietnam is a bit silly.
Says you. To me the 24-th century look is Star Trek - it's sleek, fluid, easy and ellegant. This 25-th century look Cryptic is pulling looks way over the top to me, with too many useless lignts on the hulls, spikes, fins and other stuff inspired from other franchises and generally Mass Effect looking to me, which IMHO completely sucks. The only thing I like from the 25-th centuty "look" is the white hull material because it reminds me of TOS, but that black is just over the top and intended to catch a 'badass' look to the ship, which is not very Starfleet.
In short, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. But saying that a ship should be removed because you don't like how it looks is a bit silly, if not arrogant.
Especially in the current state of STO where there's isn't really any 25-th century look, because we can have Borg spikes sticking from our ships, shields that completely alter the look of a ship, deflector and engine effects that color the visuals differently, etc., etc. That's your 25-th century look - a hot mess MMO style.
you forget the ambassador...you known, the predecessor of the galaxy:rolleyes:
anyhow you just confirm what i said about people that use the supposed lifespan argument:
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=528931&page=271
ship classes from the tng era were built to be in service for at least 100 years, with new examples being built for decades. they were probably making galaxy class till the 2390s, and they will be in service 100 years from their build date, at least. the excelsior in tng was older then the galaxy or anything of similar age would be in STO.
nice exaggeration. there's a small mountain of evidence showing it to be the most powerful fed ship in canon, if you want to get in a debate about canon performance. no one complains about the other canon ships because they don't suck in game, only the galaxy does.
the reason for this thread is simple. the galaxy class is one of the most iconic ships in the franchise, stared in its own show, was seen in every dominion war battle, showed up at least twice in voyager, and was even in the last episode of enterprise. no ship can match that screen time. yet, in game, its the worst ship by a mile, with a dysfunctional station setup, worthless console setup, bottom of the barrel mobility, the worst cruiser dps potential. no cruiser is worse then it at filling any role you can think of. DPS? worst. healing? several tac cruisers do it better. tanking? several tac cruisers do it better. we want that to change, at least ever so. all it would take is a modest addition of a universal ENS station, it would still be the worst cruiser but it would be twice as good as it is now. but more then that would sure be nice, and more then justified.
the look is of 25th century stuff is ether very industrial looking, or a clear evolution from the 2360s look. being a blocky phaser array'less relic didn't stop the miranda or excelsior from being used during TNG and beyond.
1. 70 year old ship more (50 years old as stated by other posters) rated for 100 years of service.
2. Whether you or other like it or not if older ships are gonna be in use and have decent setups (Excelsior as you mentioned) then so should the Galaxy.
3. The venture is a tier 4.5 and the skin for the Fleet Galaxy. So we can fly it but it either lacks the stats of other fleet ships or is the exact ship we are trying to get upgraded. Seems if you gonna come into a thread and make a statement you should atleast know a few facts about what you are talking about.
4. All shows have to have enemies that can harm you or its gonna be a boring show. For all the crappy it gets beat up episodes it has others where it does great or knocks the TRIBBLE out of other ships. Though rating how it should do by the show shouldn't be the standard, it should be as good as other ships rated at fleet level are, just with different advantages and disadvantages.
You sound as though by your last commit you either don't like trek or atleast didn't much enjoy the Next Gen if thats all you got from the show. Either way I like the design of the ship as much as the fact it was in the Next Gen. I want a ship that I can actually do some good in without spending a ton just to play catch up with other lesser geared cruisers.
I don't need to repeat what other people said already, but I'd like to ask: Why does this bother you? I mean even if we got a new Galaxy class this thread wouldn't have to stop since we are a more or less active group discussing the Galaxy and how it could be portrayed in this game. This topic will "die" when all participants don't want to discuss it any longer. To some of us this is simply fun - the people taking this issue WAY to seriously are usually those against any kind of change in STO.
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live stream Q@A. i posted a question regarding 'thread related', maybe some of you would like to as well?
i read them all, you and supergirl have posted the questions we all want some kind of answer to.
will they be ignore? let see...
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=528931&page=271
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well, we are about to find out!
for the risian summer event we can win a "REAL" luxuary liner.
since no one have been able to win the little challenge i have post, it is somehow crytal clear that you CAN'T get a worst bo layout than the galaxy retrofit, so, the risian liner would automatically be better.
and it must, otherwise what would be the reason to do all the things that are required to get one if you end up with something even " as good" as the galaxy retrofit, hehe!
so even if a dev would desire to prove me wrong... he can't, bound to provide to player something that have the power to force them to do all that must be done to aquire one.
so now, we can finally predict that even in the ' luxuary liner" class, the galaxy retrofit is at the bottom:rolleyes:.
i can't wait to see the stats of this new cruiser.:)
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=528931&page=271
drunk you know all this is for naught summer event will be over in just a little bit and I suspect that they are hard at work on the new errrrrrrr,,,,,,,,,,,,,factions which will have tons of new ships that will out class this thing plus I always wondered who still flies anything that isn't a fleet ship all other ships are inferior ( not including odd and vesta and the new patrol)
The Galaxy doesn't even look like it's overly aesthetic.
So, anyone taking bets on how many ships named the Titanic or Fhloston Paradise are going to come out of that new Risian ship?
But that´s the fun part! Even this quickly forgotten liner cruiser will overclass the galaxy.
Hehe even the ra star cruiser is superior to the fleet galaxy!
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Hehe, you forgot the most important one... The LOVE BOAT.
Maybe you are too young to known this old serie.
The generic go like:
LOVE.... Exiting and new!
Come aboard! We'r expecting youuuuuu!
Love lalalananananana "caught" "caught"! Sorry for that:)
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But that's just the thing - I assume most of us here who have a Galaxy-R actually have the fleet variant. So, we're essentially discussing the Fleet Galaxy-R, which is still inferior to almost every other fleet ship, plus it's inferior even to some 9 console T5 ships that are not fleet variants.
I'm getting only 1 of those, just for my Nausicaan pirate. Then I'm painting it entirely black and calling it 'The Black Pearl'.
My fleet doesn't have a T4 shipyard yet, I'm still embracing the original R :cool:
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BWAHAHAHAHAHA!
it even better than the galaxy x!! HAHAHAHA!
a lt commander tact bo? on a loveboat what it this? the power of love?
10 degree turn rate! 10 DEGREE TURN RATE:eek:
with 40 INERTIA wtf!!
1500 crew, 2 universal bo and of course the 4 cruiser command!
" yeah, but you anderstand, we can't give your 6 base/25 inertia galaxy x a lt commander, it will be overpowered then, common be serious now!"
YEAH, SURE!
i quit starfleet, going to join these guy that live with short 24H/24H 7/7 on risa, with the plan of my galaxy x i am sure they will retrofit it better than what starfleet could do.
my mother warn me tho, don't go to starfleet, they only got pakled engeener she said.
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Yeah that was my first thought when I saw the stats for the Risan "Luxary" Cruiser. So this party barge is better then a ship that was Flagship of the United Federation of Planets for nearly 10 years...um...okay.:( Maybe Starfleet should stop producing starships all-together and have the risans build party boats instead. :rolleyes:
It doesnt even remotely feel like a ST game any more which is kinda the whole point of being Star Trek Online. The stories are ripped off from stargate, there is more alien ships at ESD then federation ships. The devs half a$$ so much of their work its sad, and they get paid for it....
there's no evidence the flagship ever stopped being a galaxy class. they has several opportunities to refer to the E as the flagship, but never did. in first contact they even mentioned the flagship was destroyed. a galaxy class would have been the flagship till the launch of the enterprise F, yet in game they make it the worst ship.
at least this cruise ship aint all that desirable if you already have a fleet excelsior. for a LT eng turned universal, and +2 turn rate you lose a turn console. it having all 4 cruiser commands means its not a battle cruiser, so 10 turn rate aint a big deal really.
well, my galaxy x is not a battlecruiser but i i'll take the 10 turn rate anytime...... and the 40 inertia, and the lt commander.
i promise i will not make a big deal about it.
i give them back my hangar if i have to:rolleyes:
i want to grind this ship just to name it THE LOVEBOAT and go kick some TRIBBLE in arena with it.
scimitar, bug, patrol escort, delhan, avenger.... beware, the LOVEBOAT is commingXD!
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this aint DHC capable. battlecruiser= DHC builds possible= turn rate is actually important. but ya, 10 would be snazzy on a dread. even separated its turn potential sucks, because everything that buffs turn rate still does math against the base of 6.
i thought picard was upset they did not allower the federation flagship to particapate. refering to the enterprise-e
but it;s been a long time sense i saw first contact so i could be mistaken
personally the galaxy would make a better flagship any way as it has more civilian and diplomatic areas on board the sov just does not have the room which would be a better show to other civilizations then a ship built ONLY for fighting