With all due respect, are we even talking about the same game here?
The cruisers already are toothless bricks, with the exception of maybe two that are not toothless in a single cookie cutter setup that basically aims to move them away from their obsolete role in STO into the escort role.
Impossible. They only did that with the Romulans because they made their complete lineup out of scratch at the same time. Starfleet and KDF ship classes are set in stone. This is Cryptic that we're talking about, I hope you realize how reluctant they are to change already made items. They wouldn't even poke it with a stick from far.
What you're saying is that they should throw out their entire starship mantra and create a entirely new game mechanic out of scratch. I may even agree that this could and would be better, but now the milion dollar question - do you really believe Cryptic would do this??
Hehe. No, of course not.
You are completely right, Cryptic will not change their system at any cost.
But i think it would be the best sollution.
Maybe we should think about how to archive that with other means.
(DOFFs, small changes of BOFF powers, maybe a console, you get the point.)
My sollution would be to make the Lt. Cmdr station of all Starfleet ships universal. So they would roughly be some sort of cruisers (most ppl will notice that using only tactical stations isn't very productive at all).
Depending on their size, Starfleet ships should get a big power bonus and have a much higher power cap at their subsystems.
(Science ships roughly the same, but less powerful)
This maybe sounds radical and maybe some ships would end up with the same BOFF layout, but think about it for a minute.
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its the only cruiser in a category that can only use 2 of the 4 abilities.
OH GOD. i just realized that if they gave the galaxy R a hanger, it would get even more shafted the the galaxy X! no enhanced maneuverability, no reduced weapons drain.
That really is funny, they created a seperate extra-gimped category solely for the Gal-X. They couldn't even just call it a Battlecruiser, but had to single it out. *Gives Gal-X-tan a much-needed hug*
That really is funny, they created a seperate extra-gimped category solely for the Gal-X. They couldn't even just call it a Battlecruiser, but had to single it out. *Gives Gal-X-tan a much-needed hug*
Yeah, but I'm still hopefull that the fleet version when it comes (hopefully it will) will receive some of the much needed love.
On another note, I think that the Oddy, the Sovereign and the Excelsior just turned completely bada$$. :P Honestly, even if I wasn't a Trek fan and cared about canon at all, I'd still take a beam cruiser over the Avenger now, with the latest changes.
Maybe it's just me, but I'm liking this - the tank/aura paladin style gameplay has always been my thing in MMOs and now I get to have one in STO. On my favourite class of ships!
I'm really curious to see how this works on the Galaxy-R, I have a couple ideas that will be fun to try. If they work as I'm hoping, maybe the ol' gal will become fun to play with once again!
its the only cruiser in a category that can only use 2 of the 4 abilities.
OH GOD. i just realized that if they gave the galaxy R a hanger, it would get even more shafted the the galaxy X! no enhanced maneuverability, no reduced weapons drain.
NO HANGER FOR GALAXY R, DON'T YOU DARE CRYPTIC
it seem to be the way to officially gimped them forever.
no seriously, we got the dreadnought name without the advantages, but we will sure get the inconvenient, as alway with the galaxy x.
no, it is not made on purpose, it is only the bad luck guy of an old system, that they surely take great care to not put up to date.
Strategic Maneuvering??? we don't need that!!! we already turning better than a starbase with our 6base degree, anymore and we will be OP.
the regent, exelsior on the other hand with their 7 and 8 turn will be glad to heard that they finally get the love they deserved in that area, for a long time.
and klingons battle cruiser, yeah saying that they need it is an anderstatement.
but Attract Fire!! ho yes we need that, we are so indestructible we don't even need Shield Frequency Modulation, we can get ours TRIBBLE kick even more.
nice stats, but the regent, the regent is over. its 1000% worthless now
so this thing can stomp, crush and mangle the regent toe's, and the toes of all the other tac cruisers, but the galaxy cant be allowed to have even an optional LTC tac?
With Delta taunt, DEMarion, Draw Fire, enough fleet armor, +TH sci consoles, points in threat, Aux2battechnicians, EPtW, EPtE, plasma weapons, a Galaxy can theoretically draw all the hate, and survive.
But the Regent to me has always been an offensive oriented beamboat that does slightly more DPS than a Gal-R. Might not be worth 25 bucks though. I bought one for the WAQT, never regretted that decision.
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it seem to be the way to officially gimped them forever.
no seriously, we got the dreadnought name without the advantages, but we will sure get the inconvenient, as alway with the galaxy x.
no, it is not made on purpose, it is only the bad luck guy of an old system, that they surely take great care to not put up to date.
Strategic Maneuvering??? we don't need that!!! we already turning better than a starbase with our 6base degree, anymore and we will be OP.
the regent, exelsior on the other hand with their 7 and 8 turn will be glad to heard that they finally get the love they deserved in that area, for a long time.
and klingons battle cruiser, yeah saying that they need it is an anderstatement.
but Attract Fire!! ho yes we need that, we are so indestructible we don't even need Shield Frequency Modulation, we can get ours TRIBBLE kick even more.
WONDERFUK!!!!!
Freaking stupid. They could have atleast released a fleet version of the G-X before they put out the avenger battle cruiser. Got more turn more front weapons and 3 of 4 options yet the G-X just gets two and still stuck with the 6 turning rate and No high level tac abilities. Hope they plan to redo boff seating on it to make it desireable compared to the Avenger. Personally let them add the Saucer Sep on G-X later and release the fleet version already.
Since now the first Starfleet cruiser has got a 5/3 weapons Layout, the Dreadought could maybe get the same.
Regarding the Cruiser Commands, i am not so sure about them.
At the first glace they don't look very creative or especially made with much tought or love for cruisers. Maybe if we see their actual magnitude we can say more...
Personally i wished Cruisers would have got something more similar like the romulan ships abilities. Let's hope in solo play their new abilites will have some value.
But hey still better than nothing.
It just depends if Escorts get upgraded too. If so, (starfleet/KDF) crusiers can be completely scrapped, because without any special and real offensive abilities they have won nothing.
Off topic:
Regarding the Avenger, i have seen the screenshot dontdrunkimshoot has posted. But i can't see any significant difference to the Regent (besides the Weapons layout and appearance)...
Is it DHC able?
Can its ship parts be mixed with any other ship (regent or odyssey, maybe)?
So it's got essentially the same BOFF layout as the Regent. hopefully this will open up the door to give other ships more similar layouts like already existing ships.
(maybe the GCS could get the Odysseys Layout )
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One would wonder with the "Battle Cruiser" escort introduction if we'd see a Fleet Gal-X with 5 weapons fore and 4 aft.
In that case, the new Dreadnought Cruiser will have 6/2 weapons, a console that halves weapon drain but has a 2.5% chance of exploding when firing or fired upon. :P
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I'm already at the tail-end of the effectiveness spectrum with my Galaxy Dread, and this new thing?
Dammit, I like it, but at the same time, I HATE how much my Dread and other cruisers have been pushed to the wayside for this. Anyone who wants to be effective in a cruiser is gonna need one. We'll see more of these than we will of Oddy drivers. I'm having a hard enough time keeping my Dread almost semi-relevent as is. I may have to give it an aux2bat build, and **** over my escorts now...
Rrgh. I hate being poor.
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My name is Rage, and I too support a revised Galaxy family.
I'm already at the tail-end of the effectiveness spectrum with my Galaxy Dread, and this new thing?
Dammit, I like it, but at the same time, I HATE how much my Dread and other cruisers have been pushed to the wayside for this. Anyone who wants to be effective in a cruiser is gonna need one. We'll see more of these than we will of Oddy drivers. I'm having a hard enough time keeping my Dread almost semi-relevent as is. I may have to give it an aux2bat build, and **** over my escorts now...
Rrgh. I hate being poor.
go to btran cluster and do the Support Colonization Efforts chain to gain your purple technitian on critical, that how i got my3 tech.
Since now the first Starfleet cruiser has got a 5/3 weapons Layout, the Dreadought could maybe get the same.
well since it is call a dreadnought, one would said that he could use to have the advantages that go with it.
but no, that is disregarding cryptic policy concerning anything that look like a galaxy class.
and this one clearly state that if you give this ship 1 good things you have to remove 2 equal good things.
and if the "good thing" that you give him, isn't really that good, it is even better!!
Off topic:
Regarding the Avenger, i have seen the screenshot dontdrunkimshoot has posted. But i can't see any significant difference to the Regent (besides the Weapons layout and appearance)...
Is it DHC able?
Can its ship parts be mixed with any other ship (regent or odyssey, maybe)?
are you creazy!!!:D:D
it is DHC capable, it can have the dreadnought cloack and got 9 degree turn, NINE!
NINE, NINE, NINE, NINE, NINE, NINE!!!!! ( no i am not german:) )
that make 2 more than the regent, 3 more than the dreadnought!!!
with it 5/3 weapons setup he will make better use of the regent layout than the regent will ever do.
and how do they balanced that? they remove 1 DEVICE slot!
now, they are serious here!!!!
this ship have made the regent completely obsolete, and take the last "role" that the galaxy dreadnought could have fill.
yeah cryptic, let make more money by rending obsolete all ancient players purchase.
now that mov from cryptic is insulting, there no over words.
One point, the Gal-X is now the only ship that can perform a de-cloak double tap, think about that but keep it quiet
what do you mean? you speak about the reputation cloack combine with the normal cloack?
if it is that, the defiant and now the avenger can do it too.
can you clarified?
but if it is just the BO combine with the lance, frankly i expected better advantage of this ship as of today.
You can't exactly Lance + BO, but you can BO, wait for the Lance to come off the 15 second system (or was it 30?), then fire BO, hopefully proc the doff, then Lance the bugger right through shields.
Even if it didn't proc, that's 3 incredible phaser blasts on top of the CRF you're firing. (I use CRF1 and BO1)
And if you're under effects of DEM, 40-50% of your damage is already penetrating shields.
Of course, first rule about dreadnought cruiser double tap: No one talks about dreadnought cruiser double tap.
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I mean not only is the new Battle Cruiser the incarnation of everything that's wrong with this game but the "new cruiser mechanic" does in no way, shape or form help the neglected cruisers as well
Think about it: The idea of the comm arrays is actually pretty nice. But giving it to EVERY cruiser changes absolutely NOTHING with shafted cruisers, especially the Galaxy Class. It would have been a really good mechanic if all cruisers with 2 tac consoles got the comm arrays so they can function as command cruisers which would have given them purpose. You would have had the Star Cruiser, Galaxy and Oddyssey fill that role it would have been great.
But since every assault cruiser and the Battle cruiser as well, gets it too, well - they changed absolutely nothing. I mean why would you want anything BESIDES the Battle Cruiser now?
Absolutely craptastic, Cryptic. Not only have you invalidated each and every Federation cruiser with that ugly piece of dung because of it's tactical set up (I want to mention again that Geko can, in no way shape or form, understand why people think that STO is too tac heavy) but you also did absolutely NOTHING to help pre F2P ships.
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Bad choice of words, sorry.
Hehe. No, of course not.
You are completely right, Cryptic will not change their system at any cost.
But i think it would be the best sollution.
Maybe we should think about how to archive that with other means.
(DOFFs, small changes of BOFF powers, maybe a console, you get the point.)
My sollution would be to make the Lt. Cmdr station of all Starfleet ships universal. So they would roughly be some sort of cruisers (most ppl will notice that using only tactical stations isn't very productive at all).
Depending on their size, Starfleet ships should get a big power bonus and have a much higher power cap at their subsystems.
(Science ships roughly the same, but less powerful)
This maybe sounds radical and maybe some ships would end up with the same BOFF layout, but think about it for a minute.
It's starting off as a native Avenger ability, but it's getting spread to all cruisers, eventually.
Rommies don't get it, lol.
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My name is Rage, and I too support a revised Galaxy family.
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My name is Rage, and I too support a revised Galaxy family.
its the only cruiser in a category that can only use 2 of the 4 abilities.
OH GOD. i just realized that if they gave the galaxy R a hanger, it would get even more shafted the the galaxy X! no enhanced maneuverability, no reduced weapons drain.
NO HANGER FOR GALAXY R, DON'T YOU DARE CRYPTIC
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My name is Rage, and I too support a revised Galaxy family.
did you not see this table?
http://images-cdn.perfectworld.com/www/de/ee/deee11f4e807cc0449fc988ac067c96c1381171477.jpg
Yeah, but I'm still hopefull that the fleet version when it comes (hopefully it will) will receive some of the much needed love.
On another note, I think that the Oddy, the Sovereign and the Excelsior just turned completely bada$$. :P Honestly, even if I wasn't a Trek fan and cared about canon at all, I'd still take a beam cruiser over the Avenger now, with the latest changes.
Maybe it's just me, but I'm liking this - the tank/aura paladin style gameplay has always been my thing in MMOs and now I get to have one in STO. On my favourite class of ships!
I'm really curious to see how this works on the Galaxy-R, I have a couple ideas that will be fun to try. If they work as I'm hoping, maybe the ol' gal will become fun to play with once again!
It's been an ongoing problem between me and this website. I can't see TRIBBLE on here, EVERY image link leads to an Error 400.
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My name is Rage, and I too support a revised Galaxy family.
it seem to be the way to officially gimped them forever.
no seriously, we got the dreadnought name without the advantages, but we will sure get the inconvenient, as alway with the galaxy x.
no, it is not made on purpose, it is only the bad luck guy of an old system, that they surely take great care to not put up to date.
Strategic Maneuvering??? we don't need that!!! we already turning better than a starbase with our 6base degree, anymore and we will be OP.
the regent, exelsior on the other hand with their 7 and 8 turn will be glad to heard that they finally get the love they deserved in that area, for a long time.
and klingons battle cruiser, yeah saying that they need it is an anderstatement.
but Attract Fire!! ho yes we need that, we are so indestructible we don't even need Shield Frequency Modulation, we can get ours TRIBBLE kick even more.
WONDERFUK!!!!!
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=528931&page=271
nice stats, but the regent, the regent is over. its 1000% worthless now
so this thing can stomp, crush and mangle the regent toe's, and the toes of all the other tac cruisers, but the galaxy cant be allowed to have even an optional LTC tac?
With Delta taunt, DEMarion, Draw Fire, enough fleet armor, +TH sci consoles, points in threat, Aux2battechnicians, EPtW, EPtE, plasma weapons, a Galaxy can theoretically draw all the hate, and survive.
But the Regent to me has always been an offensive oriented beamboat that does slightly more DPS than a Gal-R. Might not be worth 25 bucks though. I bought one for the WAQT, never regretted that decision.
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Freaking stupid. They could have atleast released a fleet version of the G-X before they put out the avenger battle cruiser. Got more turn more front weapons and 3 of 4 options yet the G-X just gets two and still stuck with the 6 turning rate and No high level tac abilities. Hope they plan to redo boff seating on it to make it desireable compared to the Avenger. Personally let them add the Saucer Sep on G-X later and release the fleet version already.
Regarding the Cruiser Commands, i am not so sure about them.
At the first glace they don't look very creative or especially made with much tought or love for cruisers. Maybe if we see their actual magnitude we can say more...
Personally i wished Cruisers would have got something more similar like the romulan ships abilities. Let's hope in solo play their new abilites will have some value.
But hey still better than nothing.
It just depends if Escorts get upgraded too. If so, (starfleet/KDF) crusiers can be completely scrapped, because without any special and real offensive abilities they have won nothing.
Off topic:
Regarding the Avenger, i have seen the screenshot dontdrunkimshoot has posted. But i can't see any significant difference to the Regent (besides the Weapons layout and appearance)...
Is it DHC able?
Can its ship parts be mixed with any other ship (regent or odyssey, maybe)?
So it's got essentially the same BOFF layout as the Regent. hopefully this will open up the door to give other ships more similar layouts like already existing ships.
(maybe the GCS could get the Odysseys Layout
In that case, the new Dreadnought Cruiser will have 6/2 weapons, a console that halves weapon drain but has a 2.5% chance of exploding when firing or fired upon. :P
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Dammit, I like it, but at the same time, I HATE how much my Dread and other cruisers have been pushed to the wayside for this. Anyone who wants to be effective in a cruiser is gonna need one. We'll see more of these than we will of Oddy drivers. I'm having a hard enough time keeping my Dread almost semi-relevent as is. I may have to give it an aux2bat build, and **** over my escorts now...
Rrgh. I hate being poor.
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My name is Rage, and I too support a revised Galaxy family.
go to btran cluster and do the Support Colonization Efforts chain to gain your purple technitian on critical, that how i got my3 tech.
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Assignment:_Support_Colonization_Efforts
when you finish the chain you can redo the last one and gain a purple if you crit
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=528931&page=271
well since it is call a dreadnought, one would said that he could use to have the advantages that go with it.
but no, that is disregarding cryptic policy concerning anything that look like a galaxy class.
and this one clearly state that if you give this ship 1 good things you have to remove 2 equal good things.
and if the "good thing" that you give him, isn't really that good, it is even better!!
are you creazy!!!:D:D
it is DHC capable, it can have the dreadnought cloack and got 9 degree turn, NINE!
NINE, NINE, NINE, NINE, NINE, NINE!!!!! ( no i am not german:) )
that make 2 more than the regent, 3 more than the dreadnought!!!
with it 5/3 weapons setup he will make better use of the regent layout than the regent will ever do.
and how do they balanced that? they remove 1 DEVICE slot!
now, they are serious here!!!!
this ship have made the regent completely obsolete, and take the last "role" that the galaxy dreadnought could have fill.
yeah cryptic, let make more money by rending obsolete all ancient players purchase.
now that mov from cryptic is insulting, there no over words.
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=528931&page=271
what do you mean? you speak about the reputation cloack combine with the normal cloack?
if it is that, the defiant and now the avenger can do it too.
can you clarified?
but if it is just the BO combine with the lance, frankly i expected better advantage of this ship as of today.
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=528931&page=271
Even if it didn't proc, that's 3 incredible phaser blasts on top of the CRF you're firing. (I use CRF1 and BO1)
And if you're under effects of DEM, 40-50% of your damage is already penetrating shields.
Of course, first rule about dreadnought cruiser double tap: No one talks about dreadnought cruiser double tap.
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I mean not only is the new Battle Cruiser the incarnation of everything that's wrong with this game but the "new cruiser mechanic" does in no way, shape or form help the neglected cruisers as well
Think about it: The idea of the comm arrays is actually pretty nice. But giving it to EVERY cruiser changes absolutely NOTHING with shafted cruisers, especially the Galaxy Class. It would have been a really good mechanic if all cruisers with 2 tac consoles got the comm arrays so they can function as command cruisers which would have given them purpose. You would have had the Star Cruiser, Galaxy and Oddyssey fill that role it would have been great.
But since every assault cruiser and the Battle cruiser as well, gets it too, well - they changed absolutely nothing. I mean why would you want anything BESIDES the Battle Cruiser now?
Absolutely craptastic, Cryptic. Not only have you invalidated each and every Federation cruiser with that ugly piece of dung because of it's tactical set up (I want to mention again that Geko can, in no way shape or form, understand why people think that STO is too tac heavy) but you also did absolutely NOTHING to help pre F2P ships.
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