The fair way to do it would have been to give the JHAS pets free to anyone with a JHAS, and make everyone else pay dil for them. A dil price most would gladly pay (and 60k = $7.50).
But changing it now would upset the people who have already bought them, and since Cryptic doesn't offer refunds of anything, ever, it's not going to change. Further complaining will accomplish nothing.
Yeah further complaining will accoplish nothing..... is that a Federation Carrier on my view screen :rolleyes:
I still say Cryptic should just make if so all players can buy the Very Rare versions of the Hanger Attack Ship but give the players that own the bug the ability to craft Ultra Rare versions of them that have an extra ability like torpedo spread II or something.
I think that would be great for all that had the Dreadnought Carrier.
Well if more players were able to use them there would be a heck of a lot more bug reports and a fix would come much sooner than latter.
There you see it's all connected
Thats what I posted ten pages ago. Yes open it to everybody and maybe then the outrage will be enough to fix them. As far as we know they have no idea how bad they are, nor plan to look at them. I try to keep the threads alive, but no comment in any of them from the devs.
Thats what I posted ten pages ago. Yes open it to everybody and maybe then the outrage will be enough to fix them. As far as we know they have no idea how bad they are, nor plan to look at them. I try to keep the threads alive, but no comment in any of them from the devs.
I gotta say, it is almost useless as a carrier with its current pets.
I gotta say, it is almost useless as a carrier with its current pets.
The Dreadnought Carrier is just a Huge Escort without its Hanger Support AI working.
I teamed with a Dread user today and they had the Hanger Bugs (nice looking) and it seemed pretty useless
I think the players are beginning to see that the Dread is not all that it's cracked up to be has the price on the exchange has dropped aobut 20 Million EC in the last 2 days alone.
The only decent Hanger option for the Dread right now is the Ultra Scorp Fighters.
In another week or so I'll be able to save my lobi and pick up the Dread Carrier on the cheap off the Exchange just like I did the Recluse before it got popular
Cryptic really needs to do more QA testing with new ships before releasing them.
Even if the Hanger Attack ships worked 100% there is no way in hell that Cryptic should expect players to have the Bug ship just to buy something that can only be used with the Dread Carrier.
You can buy the best kdf fighters for 30k dil so why the hell would the fed equivalent be so difficult and expensive to get... seems bloody stupid tbh
Come on devs sort it out...we don't want the escort fighter we just want an equivalent fed version of the ultra rare bop
I honestly don't see how it matters if this particular fighter is available to everyone. Its not like it will take away from the actual escort version, or affect it in away way at all. It is a separate item.
Well if players who get the Dred get the JHAS pets without the JHAS...then I want Galor Phaser access without needing a Galor.
Sorry Bud,
But the bucket that your argument is in has no bottom.
The Galors energy weapons can be used on any ship and being able to buy extra sets of those weapons was a perk added for players that wanted more copies of the weapons and yes it's a nice perk for Galor owners.
Then on the other hand you have the Hanger Jem'Hadar Attack ships that can wait for it?.. Only be used with the Jem'Hadar Dreadnought Carrier and you're telling me that this is a perk for Bug owners even though they do nothing for the Bugs themselves and can only be used with one specific Carrier.
I might not be so up in arms about this issue if the Hanger Bugs could be used with all full Carriers, I still would not be too happy with the requirement but it would be harder to argue my point if they were not restricted to one Carrier.
The Hanger Jem'Hadar Attack ships have nothing to do with the Lockbox Bug ship except for the fact that they look the same and to say that they are a perk for owners of the Bug provided that they also own the Jem'Hadar Dreadnought Carrier is just asinine.
If Cryptic had said hey guys we decided to make a nice perk for the owners of the Jem'Hadar Attack Ship and released a special console that could only be used with the Bug ship that say once every 4 minutes summoned 2 extra NPC Bug ships that help out in battle and then I'd say wow that's a very nice perk for bug ship owners.
So what perk comes from just owning the Dreadnought Carrier?
It's like telling me that I need to own a BOP if I want to use the Hanger BOP on my Vo'Quv or the Frigate with my Kar'Fi.
This is not a perk it's a ploy and it defecates on players who only want the Jem'Hadar Dreadnought Carrier :mad:
But the bucket that your argument is in has no bottom.
The Galors energy weapons can be used on any ship and being able to buy extra sets of those weapons was a perk added for players that wanted more copies of the weapons and yes it's a nice perk for Galor owners.
Then on the other hand you have the Hanger Jem'Hadar Attack ships that can wait for it?.. Only be used with the Jem'Hadar Dreadnought Carrier and you're telling me that this is a perk for Bug owners even though they do nothing for the Bugs themselves and can only be used with one specific Carrier.
I might not be so up in arms about this issue if the Hanger Bugs could be used with all full Carriers, I still would not be too happy with the requirement but it would be harder to argue my point if they were not restricted to one Carrier.
The Hanger Jem'Hadar Attack ships have nothing to do with the Lockbox Bug ship except for the fact that they look the same and to say that they are a perk for owners of the Bug provided that they also own the Jem'Hadar Dreadnought Carrier is just asinine.
If Cryptic had said hey guys we decided to make a nice perk for the owners of the Jem'Hadar Attack Ship and released a special console that could only be used with the Bug ship that say once every 4 minutes summoned 2 extra NPC Bug ships that help out in battle and then I'd say wow that's a very nice perk for bug ship owners.
So what perk comes from just owning the Dreadnought Carrier?
It's like telling me that I need to own a BOP if I want to use the Hanger BOP on my Vo'Quv or the Frigate with my Kar'Fi.
This is not a perk it's a ploy and it defecates on players who only want the Jem'Hadar Dreadnought Carrier :mad:
since I don't think the devs even care about the forums anymore since PWE stepped in, and since it has already been posted on the forums by so many and invited by D-Stahl himself.
this is the level of emotion I feel since it seems neither the devs nor community leaders have paid any heed to this topic, yet they pay heed to topics far more mundane and asinine plus with far far FAR less views and replys.
Personnally, I own the Dreadnaught and would LIKE to have the Jem Hadar fighters for completeness... but...
It is completely TRIBBLE to mandate the items for a ship require you to own another ship.
Set consoles - Cryptic are shady with this but at least you can transfer the consoles to the ship you want
Hanger pets - Why do you have to own the actual ship to get the pets. Is this some stupid concept that your Attack Ship is flying with your Dreadnaught ?
I would go with that except the Dreadnaught has two pets... so where did the OTHER Attack Ship come from ?
Of course, since this works for the Attack ship... why dosent it work for OTHER ships.
When can we expect the Defiant hanger pets ?
Will this require us to own the Defiant ?
It is extremely shady to introduce a new ship that has access to frigate hangers but requires you to own a completely different ship in the process.
If someone has bought the Dreadnaught, one assumes they want to use and fly the Dreadnaught and not be screwed into getting another ship just to use the one they want.
Additionally, what the hell is with the laundry list of abilities they gave to the Attack Ships ?
If the AI worked even half decently on pets the Attack ships would be the best pets you could get which makes it even MORE hilariously shady to limit them to a very select few without offering something equal to others.
Additionally, what the hell is with the laundry list of abilities they gave to the Attack Ships ?
If the AI worked even half decently on pets the Attack ships would be the best pets you could get which makes it even MORE hilariously shady to limit them to a very select few without offering something equal to others.
I think that is what they were thinking in this whole debacle, instead of taking time to put in a real balancing factor or a counterpart, they thought "but its lunchtime!" and they just forgot about for that time, and whenever they remember "oh yea its rarity and neglect is its balancing factor"
The Attack Ships should be available to everyone who owns a Dreadnaught Carrier without question.
The only advantage from having the Attack Ship should be getting the Hanger at a 50% discount - Since they already have 'one' fighter they need to pay for the other. While those that dont have the Attack Ship pay full price for both.
In general, new frigate hangers should be introduced to match the Attack Ship hangers.
Personnally, I would love a pair of Defiants rather than Attack Ships but Sabers would work just as well.
I just picked up the Jem'Hadar Dreadnought Carrier off the Exchange for 70 million Ec.
The price was way down from its 110 million price tag of just 3 days ago and it looks like it will keep falling.
The Carrier collector in me wants to crack the thing open and take it for a spin; however, I don't think I'll be unpacking the Carrier till I know that I can get everything that can only be used with it without having to own an Attack Bug that I'll never use
I just picked up the Jem'Hadar Dreadnought Carrier off the Exchange for 70 million Ec.
The price was way down from its 110 million price tag of just 3 days ago and it looks like it will keep falling.
The Carrier collector in me wants to crack the thing open and tack it for a spin; however, I don't think I'll be unpacking the Carrier till I know that I can get everything that can only be used with it without having to own an Attack Bug that I'll never use
well, as much as I want to believe it sucks completely without the pets, it doesn't not by a long shot, and as much as I want to believe it will stay the same, we know they are gonna nerf it.
the ship lives up to its name, it is a 4 fore weapon slot, 4 tac console, it is damn powerful and with the borg set it can take damage very well, as a Tac captain, i dished out 3x the damage with the dominion beam weapons from boldly they rode than any other beam weapon.
since it can load cannons it also does tremendous damage. This ship is worth opening up just for those stats alone, let alone the fact you can load any hangar pet you own, and thought they are not fixed yet, the jem'hadar fighters will be worth it (hopefully). if you're a KDF officer, you can load the refit BoP and do lots more with it.
as much as I would like to exaggerate the condition of this ship, the only thing I find wrong with it is simply the fact the best hangar pets and the ONLY frigates for feds to be able to obtain are lost on us unless we have the jem'hadar attack ship, and even those who do see it is broken.
***PS*** the jem'hadar fighters themselves can be loaded onto any carrier, including FDC, so if and when they fix the fighters, they are the size of delta flyers and hopefully will be like the DF and PF put together.
well, as much as I want to believe it sucks completely without the pets, it doesn't not by a long shot, and as much as I want to believe it will stay the same, we know they are gonna nerf it.
the ship lives up to its name, it is a 4 fore weapon slot, 4 tac console, it is damn powerful and with the borg set it can take damage very well, as a Tac captain, i dished out 3x the damage with the dominion beam weapons from boldly they rode than any other beam weapon.
since it can load cannons it also does tremendous damage. This ship is worth opening up just for those stats alone, let alone the fact you can load any hangar pet you own, and thought they are not fixed yet, the jem'hadar fighters will be worth it (hopefully). if you're a KDF officer, you can load the refit BoP and do lots more with it.
as much as I would like to exaggerate the condition of this ship, the only thing I find wrong with it is simply the fact the best hangar pets and the ONLY frigates for feds to be able to obtain are lost on us unless we have the jem'hadar attack ship, and even those who do see it is broken.
***PS*** the jem'hadar fighters themselves can be loaded onto any carrier, including FDC, so if and when they fix the fighters, they are the size of delta flyers and hopefully will be like the DF and PF put together.
Wow I did not know that they could use the ABOP, I may use it today after all.
Wow I did not know that they could use the ABOP, I may use it today after all.
to clearify I just found out it cannot load the ABOP, this was an error on my part, one of my friends said it could, then ten other said it couldnt, so logic dictates the mob is right.
if you have a jemmy dreadnought, go into the game, select the question mark at the bottom right side of your minimap, and select report a bug, go under items and complain there, use this thread as a refference as well as your complaints.
this is primarily good for reporting the uslessness of the fighters and attack ships so do it for those too.
if you have a jemmy dreadnought, go into the game, select the question mark at the bottom right side of your minimap, and select report a bug, go under items and complain there, use this thread as a refference as well as your complaints.
this is primarily good for reporting the uslessness of the fighters and attack ships so do it for those too.
yea it usually pays off with something good coming out of it, seeing as how people like Branflakes ignore people like us "certainly out of spite" and the devs seem to have forgotten about the forums, not talking about tacofangs of course.
but its a good way to get the message to the devs, do NOT open a ticket to the GM's. just a bug report.
"Jem'Hadar Attack Ship Pets now have a higher engine speed and turn rate.
Jem'Hadar Attack Ship Pets' Antiproton Sweep power now properly obey targeting arc restrictions.
All carrier pets will be more intelligent about favoring their forward firing arc, if they are fitted with cannons."
Maybe they are listening? Im trying to not get my hopes up.
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Yeah further complaining will accoplish nothing..... is that a Federation Carrier on my view screen :rolleyes:
I think that would be great for all that had the Dreadnought Carrier.
we are also complaining for them to fix the damn things.
Well if more players were able to use them there would be a heck of a lot more bug reports and a fix would come much sooner than latter.
There you see it's all connected
Thats what I posted ten pages ago. Yes open it to everybody and maybe then the outrage will be enough to fix them. As far as we know they have no idea how bad they are, nor plan to look at them. I try to keep the threads alive, but no comment in any of them from the devs.
I gotta say, it is almost useless as a carrier with its current pets.
The Dreadnought Carrier is just a Huge Escort without its Hanger Support AI working.
I teamed with a Dread user today and they had the Hanger Bugs (nice looking) and it seemed pretty useless
I think the players are beginning to see that the Dread is not all that it's cracked up to be has the price on the exchange has dropped aobut 20 Million EC in the last 2 days alone.
The only decent Hanger option for the Dread right now is the Ultra Scorp Fighters.
In another week or so I'll be able to save my lobi and pick up the Dread Carrier on the cheap off the Exchange just like I did the Recluse before it got popular
Cryptic really needs to do more QA testing with new ships before releasing them.
Even if the Hanger Attack ships worked 100% there is no way in hell that Cryptic should expect players to have the Bug ship just to buy something that can only be used with the Dread Carrier.
Come on devs sort it out...we don't want the escort fighter we just want an equivalent fed version of the ultra rare bop
I honestly don't see how it matters if this particular fighter is available to everyone. Its not like it will take away from the actual escort version, or affect it in away way at all. It is a separate item.
Sorry Bud,
But the bucket that your argument is in has no bottom.
The Galors energy weapons can be used on any ship and being able to buy extra sets of those weapons was a perk added for players that wanted more copies of the weapons and yes it's a nice perk for Galor owners.
Then on the other hand you have the Hanger Jem'Hadar Attack ships that can wait for it?.. Only be used with the Jem'Hadar Dreadnought Carrier and you're telling me that this is a perk for Bug owners even though they do nothing for the Bugs themselves and can only be used with one specific Carrier.
I might not be so up in arms about this issue if the Hanger Bugs could be used with all full Carriers, I still would not be too happy with the requirement but it would be harder to argue my point if they were not restricted to one Carrier.
The Hanger Jem'Hadar Attack ships have nothing to do with the Lockbox Bug ship except for the fact that they look the same and to say that they are a perk for owners of the Bug provided that they also own the Jem'Hadar Dreadnought Carrier is just asinine.
If Cryptic had said hey guys we decided to make a nice perk for the owners of the Jem'Hadar Attack Ship and released a special console that could only be used with the Bug ship that say once every 4 minutes summoned 2 extra NPC Bug ships that help out in battle and then I'd say wow that's a very nice perk for bug ship owners.
So what perk comes from just owning the Dreadnought Carrier?
It's like telling me that I need to own a BOP if I want to use the Hanger BOP on my Vo'Quv or the Frigate with my Kar'Fi.
This is not a perk it's a ploy and it defecates on players who only want the Jem'Hadar Dreadnought Carrier :mad:
This is exactly why we are pissed.
send the complaints directly to here: dstahl@crypticstudios.com
indeed! hurry already!
It is completely TRIBBLE to mandate the items for a ship require you to own another ship.
Set consoles - Cryptic are shady with this but at least you can transfer the consoles to the ship you want
Hanger pets - Why do you have to own the actual ship to get the pets. Is this some stupid concept that your Attack Ship is flying with your Dreadnaught ?
I would go with that except the Dreadnaught has two pets... so where did the OTHER Attack Ship come from ?
Of course, since this works for the Attack ship... why dosent it work for OTHER ships.
When can we expect the Defiant hanger pets ?
Will this require us to own the Defiant ?
It is extremely shady to introduce a new ship that has access to frigate hangers but requires you to own a completely different ship in the process.
If someone has bought the Dreadnaught, one assumes they want to use and fly the Dreadnaught and not be screwed into getting another ship just to use the one they want.
Additionally, what the hell is with the laundry list of abilities they gave to the Attack Ships ?
If the AI worked even half decently on pets the Attack ships would be the best pets you could get which makes it even MORE hilariously shady to limit them to a very select few without offering something equal to others.
I think that is what they were thinking in this whole debacle, instead of taking time to put in a real balancing factor or a counterpart, they thought "but its lunchtime!" and they just forgot about for that time, and whenever they remember "oh yea its rarity and neglect is its balancing factor"
The only advantage from having the Attack Ship should be getting the Hanger at a 50% discount - Since they already have 'one' fighter they need to pay for the other. While those that dont have the Attack Ship pay full price for both.
In general, new frigate hangers should be introduced to match the Attack Ship hangers.
Personnally, I would love a pair of Defiants rather than Attack Ships but Sabers would work just as well.
The price was way down from its 110 million price tag of just 3 days ago and it looks like it will keep falling.
The Carrier collector in me wants to crack the thing open and take it for a spin; however, I don't think I'll be unpacking the Carrier till I know that I can get everything that can only be used with it without having to own an Attack Bug that I'll never use
well, as much as I want to believe it sucks completely without the pets, it doesn't not by a long shot, and as much as I want to believe it will stay the same, we know they are gonna nerf it.
the ship lives up to its name, it is a 4 fore weapon slot, 4 tac console, it is damn powerful and with the borg set it can take damage very well, as a Tac captain, i dished out 3x the damage with the dominion beam weapons from boldly they rode than any other beam weapon.
since it can load cannons it also does tremendous damage. This ship is worth opening up just for those stats alone, let alone the fact you can load any hangar pet you own, and thought they are not fixed yet, the jem'hadar fighters will be worth it (hopefully). if you're a KDF officer, you can load the refit BoP and do lots more with it.
as much as I would like to exaggerate the condition of this ship, the only thing I find wrong with it is simply the fact the best hangar pets and the ONLY frigates for feds to be able to obtain are lost on us unless we have the jem'hadar attack ship, and even those who do see it is broken.
***PS*** the jem'hadar fighters themselves can be loaded onto any carrier, including FDC, so if and when they fix the fighters, they are the size of delta flyers and hopefully will be like the DF and PF put together.
Wow I did not know that they could use the ABOP, I may use it today after all.
to clearify I just found out it cannot load the ABOP, this was an error on my part, one of my friends said it could, then ten other said it couldnt, so logic dictates the mob is right.
but it is still damn good nonetheless.
this is primarily good for reporting the uslessness of the fighters and attack ships so do it for those too.
Good idea. Reported. Ticket ID#1,470,179.
yea it usually pays off with something good coming out of it, seeing as how people like Branflakes ignore people like us "certainly out of spite" and the devs seem to have forgotten about the forums, not talking about tacofangs of course.
but its a good way to get the message to the devs, do NOT open a ticket to the GM's. just a bug report.
"Jem'Hadar Attack Ship Pets now have a higher engine speed and turn rate.
Jem'Hadar Attack Ship Pets' Antiproton Sweep power now properly obey targeting arc restrictions.
All carrier pets will be more intelligent about favoring their forward firing arc, if they are fitted with cannons."
Maybe they are listening? Im trying to not get my hopes up.