Has its already been said moves like this are becomming all to common when dealing with Cryptic.
My working theory is that the Hanger Bugs were originally going to be open to all Dread Owners till someone noted how cool they were and how long it took to bang them out and then Mr. Dewey motions to Mr. Cheatham who glances at Mr. Howe and then in unison they all laugh maniacally :eek:
Has its already been said moves like this are becomming all to common when dealing with Cryptic.
My working theory is that the Hanger Bugs were originally going to be open to all Dread Owners till someone noted how cool they were and how long it took to bang them out and then Mr. Dewey motions to Mr. Cheatham who glances at Mr. Howe and then in unison they all laugh maniacally :eek:
odd....that is similar to my theory, just replace those people with random con men looking to scam a quick buck.
If they release the lockbox for the Jem'Hadar attack ship again, then do what the rest of us did that has the JHAS. Buy keys and open the lock box and get it. We made the decision to buy the keys and got lucky. You can too and if you do get lucky, you too can get the pets.
If they release the lockbox for the Jem'Hadar attack ship again, then do what the rest of us did that has the JHAS. Buy keys and open the lock box and get it. We made the decision to buy the keys and got lucky. You can too and if you do get lucky, you too can get the pets.
So you feel that its perfecly fine for Cryptic to gate something that can only be used with a ship that you already own by forcing you to own another ship just to use options that belong to what you already own?
Let's take a look at the other in-game carriers and see where else somthing like this occurs:
Vo'Quv: uppon owning the Vo'Quv you get access to all versions of its To'Duj fighters and its BOP
Kar'Fi: uppon owing the Kar'Fi you get access to all versions of its Skul Fighters and its Fek'Ihri Frigates
Atrox: uppon owing the Atrox you get access to all versions of its Peregrine Fighters and its Stalker Fighters
Reclsue: not much to say with this one since it only has what it comes with
I don't want a Jem'Hadar Attack ship and I should not need one just so I can use something that can only work with the Carrier that I own.
I don't need to own a BOP to use Hanger BOP on my Vo'Quv.
I don't need to own a Fek'Ihri Frigate to use Hanger Fek'Ihri Frigates on my Kar'Fi.
I don't need to own a Stalker Fighter to use Hanger Stalker Fighers with my Atrox.
I should not have to own a Bug ship just so I can use Hanger Bugs on my Dreadnought.
You guys can accept this type of gating if you so choose but I for one will never accept this.
This will be come the new norm for Carriers going foward becaues they are the only ship class in the game that Cryptic can pull this type of junk with.
I'm sure that they'll be more hanger options for the Recluse but you'll need to own the Orb Weaver to get them.
I wonder what ships we'll need to own to get more hanger options for the Breen Capitol Carrier :rolleyes:
If they release the lockbox for the Jem'Hadar attack ship again, then do what the rest of us did that has the JHAS. Buy keys and open the lock box and get it. We made the decision to buy the keys and got lucky. You can too and if you do get lucky, you too can get the pets.
If you had the bug, and three of its console slots were locked off and unavailable unless you owned the jemnaught as well, whether you actually wanted to fly it or not, I think you would be singing a different tune.
Believe nothing they say
Let other try all new products first for a week or 2
Read the forums after that week or two and find out if that item is genuine or some kind of shady deal worthy of a ferengi with large lobes
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Believe nothing they say
Let other try all new products first for a week or 2
Read the forums after that week or two and find out if that item is genuine or some kind of shady deal worthy of a ferengi with large lobes
So you feel that its perfecly fine for Cryptic to gate something that can only be used with a ship that you already own by forcing you to own another ship just to use options that belong to what you already own?
Let's take a look at the other in-game carriers and see where else somthing like this occurs:
Vo'Quv: uppon owning the Vo'Quv you get access to all versions of its To'Duj fighters and its BOP
Kar'Fi: uppon owing the Kar'Fi you get access to all versions of its Skul Fighters and its Fek'Ihri Frigates
Atrox: uppon owing the Atrox you get access to all versions of its Peregrine Fighters and its Stalker Fighters
Reclsue: not much to say with this one since it only has what it comes with
I don't want a Jem'Hadar Attack ship and I should not need one just so I can use something that can only work with the Carrier that I own.
I don't need to own a BOP to use Hanger BOP on my Vo'Quv.
I don't need to own a Fek'Ihri Frigate to use Hanger Fek'Ihri Frigates on my Kar'Fi.
I don't need to own a Stalker Fighter to use Hanger Stalker Fighers with my Atrox.
I should not have to own a Bug ship just so I can use Hanger Bugs on my Dreadnought.
You guys can accept this type of gating if you so choose but I for one will never accept this.
This will be come the new norm for Carriers going foward becaues they are the only ship class in the game that Cryptic can pull this type of junk with.
I'm sure that they'll be more hanger options for the Recluse but you'll need to own the Orb Weaver to get them.
I wonder what ships we'll need to own to get more hanger options for the Breen Capitol Carrier :rolleyes:
So what is your point? You have to own the JHAS to get the JHAS pet for the dread. I wouldn't worry, sooner or later they will release it to everyone.
Believe nothing they say
Let other try all new products first for a week or 2
Read the forums after that week or two and find out if that item is genuine or some kind of shady deal worthy of a ferengi with large lobes
jem dread need to be only req for jhas hangar fighters.not jhas or anything else.just the dread..
u do know that u need to have jhas on the same char which have the dread in order to get the pets?
why would some1 that love carriers buy an escort (which cost so darn much) just to get hangar fighters?
ik i wont.even if it cost 100zen.lol
I do know all that, I own all three and they are on my main. I will agree, they should change it to where no matter what character on the same account the JHAS is on it should unlock the hanger fighters as well.
Why should people pay money or EC to get the escort to unlock the hanger fighters? Because people paid money or EC to get the keys or the ship off the exchange to unlock the attack ship. Why should people that didn't have the attack ship get the hanger fighters?
I do know all that, I own all three and they are on my main. I will agree, they should change it to where no matter what character on the same account the JHAS is on it should unlock the hanger fighters as well.
Why should people pay money or EC to get the escort to unlock the hanger fighters? Because people paid money or EC to get the keys or the ship off the exchange to unlock the attack ship. Why should people that didn't have the attack ship get the hanger fighters?
why not?i mean dont get me wrong.jhas playable ship and jhas hangar fighters are simply not same.beside look.i simple dont see reason why they put jhas req for silly hangar fighters.are they op too?rofl.its just greedy company that thinks we have no brain at all to realize how lame this is.
account unlock u say.that would be way better.i agree.but still not even near fair for ppl who dont like the escorts or chance geting ship options
so since u said that u have both on same char.i must say u dont really understand how ppl like me feel.ill never put jhas on my engineer which got the dread just so she can get the pets.
why not?i mean dont get me wrong.jhas playable ship and jhas hangar fighters are simply not same.beside look.i simple dont see reason why they put jhas req for silly hangar fighters.are they op too?rofl.its just greedy company that thinks we have no brain at all to realize how lame this is.
account unlock u say.that would be way better.i agree.but still not even near fair for ppl who dont like the escorts or chance geting ship options
so since u said that u have both on same char.i must say u dont really understand how ppl like me feel.ill never put jhas on my engineer which got the dread just so she can get the pets.
QFT
I'm glad that others are seeing how wrong this move by Cryptic is.
It all comes down to money and trying to make a profit off of something that should have been given to all that own the Dreadnought Carrier.
I do know all that, I own all three and they are on my main. I will agree, they should change it to where no matter what character on the same account the JHAS is on it should unlock the hanger fighters as well.
Why should people pay money or EC to get the escort to unlock the hanger fighters? Because people paid money or EC to get the keys or the ship off the exchange to unlock the attack ship. Why should people that didn't have the attack ship get the hanger fighters?
ok lets put it this way, if your JHAS had the ability to buy a whole new space setup only availible on the JHAS itself with new visuals and some great passives, BUT you could only buy the space setup by owning an uber rare (talking a .05% chance at one) founder doff/boff which could only be obtained from a one month duty officer pack, would you accept it? the space set cant be used on any other ship, and it only benafits the JHAS.
even if they release the JHAS again, it is clear they will lower its probability of obtainment quite significantly, as to preserve its rarity and uniqueness.
ok lets put it this way, if your JHAS had the ability to buy a whole new space setup only availible on the JHAS itself with new visuals and some great passives, BUT you could only buy the space setup by owning an uber rare (talking a .05% chance at one) founder doff/boff which could only be obtained from a one month duty officer pack, would you accept it? the space set cant be used on any other ship, and it only benafits the JHAS.
even if they release the JHAS again, it is clear they will lower its probability of obtainment quite significantly, as to preserve its rarity and uniqueness.
Yes I would accept it, that is what makes it rare and unique. Though I would work at getting it. There are consoles on ships that I paid for like the vesta, and the multi photon launcher that I would love to use on my fleet Excelsior or fleet Ambassador, but I can not, I would love to have a battlecloak for my fleet defiant, am I going to get one? No, am I going to come to the forums and complain? No, I accept what the devs decided on and continue to play.
They are a company to make money, and they have to figure out how to continue to make money so they can keep the servers up, devs get their paychecks and we can enjoy the game.
Well here's a solution that they might be more willing to do although I'd rather it just be no requirement other than owning th Dreadnought to get them. Make it to where you have to own th Jem'Hadar HEC as well for the hangar item.
Yes I would accept it, that is what makes it rare and unique. Though I would work at getting it. There are consoles on ships that I paid for like the vesta, and the multi photon launcher that I would love to use on my fleet Excelsior or fleet Ambassador, but I can not, I would love to have a battlecloak for my fleet defiant, am I going to get one? No, am I going to come to the forums and complain? No, I accept what the devs decided on and continue to play.
They are a company to make money, and they have to figure out how to continue to make money so they can keep the servers up, devs get their paychecks and we can enjoy the game.
I have no dispute with them trying to make money, hell I willingly ship them unmarked containers of gold pressed latinum, but no I should have made this more clear, what I described is far more valuable and far more worth it, however the fact remains, the pet which can ONLY be launched from the dreadnought is not worth the *need JHAS to buy* condition, see, the JHAS-H pet is the only real unique thing the Dreadnought has aside from it being a purely tactical carrier.
I can understand and I'd support the Idea I stated above, because it is unique to the JHAS alone, but to lock away an item which is unique to the Jem'Hadar Dreadnought in a false image that it is a bonus for the JHAS is just wrong.
They don't even bother to fix the Dreadnought fighters, they suck horribly, yet they fix the JHAS-H pets.
a real bonus for the JHAS would have been either making the pets free, or giving them the ability to buy a unique jem'hadar space set like I said above.
Yes I would accept it, that is what makes it rare and unique. Though I would work at getting it. There are consoles on ships that I paid for like the vesta, and the multi photon launcher that I would love to use on my fleet Excelsior or fleet Ambassador, but I can not, I would love to have a battlecloak for my fleet defiant, am I going to get one? No, am I going to come to the forums and complain? No, I accept what the devs decided on and continue to play.
They are a company to make money, and they have to figure out how to continue to make money so they can keep the servers up, devs get their paychecks and we can enjoy the game.
If you were tying to make a point with this I'm missing it
The things that you mention don't really support any type of point at all here.
Battle Cloak for the Defiant (non existent and never will) and consoles that can only be used on the ships that they come with (speaks for itself)?
How in any way does that stuff compare to the issue that I keep pointing out with the Dreadnought Carrier?
Cryptic has every right to try to make more money but moves like this are beyond the point of reason.
Once again its an Hanger Attack ship that can only be used with the Dreadnought Carrier :eek:
If you were tying to make a point with this I'm missing it
The things that you mention don't really support any type of point at all here.
Battle Cloak for the Defiant (non existent and never will) and consoles that can only be used on the ships that they come with (speaks for itself)?
How in any way does that stuff compare to the issue that I keep pointing out with the Dreadnought Carrier?
Cryptic has every right to try to make more money but moves like this are beyond the point of reason.
Once again its an Hanger Attack ship that can only be used with the Dreadnought Carrier :eek:
The point is there are a lot of other things we pay for that are lock out. Plenty of consoles on C-store ships that are locked to a certain kind of ship and can not be used on others. Here though is a console that can only be used on the dread, and only can be used if you won a certain ship.
Why should it be open to people that only paid for the Dread? When some of us made the decision to buy keys and play the lottery to win a special ship.
There is an old Klingon saying on the forums, if you want a battlecloak play a Klingon. So if you want the JHAS pets get the JHAS player ship, simple as that.
If Cryptic later on decides to give the attach ship freely, it wouldn't surprise me one bit.
With all that said above, I hope Cryptic can come up with at least something that can make both parties happy. Maybe a slightly less hull points and/or shield points for the pets for people that do not have the JHAS.
(On a personal note, thanks for restoring some faith that people can still have dispute about something and not resorting to name calling.) :-)
The point is there are a lot of other things we pay for that are lock out. Plenty of consoles on C-store ships that are locked to a certain kind of ship and can not be used on others. Here though is a console that can only be used on the dread, and only can be used if you won a certain ship.
Why should it be open to people that only paid for the Dread? When some of us made the decision to buy keys and play the lottery to win a special ship.
(On a personal note, thanks for restoring some faith that people can still have dispute about something and not resorting to name calling.) :-)
yes and those ships which have their own consoles can only give you those consoles if you have them and only work on those ships, however this is not the case here.
In the instance where you have the ship with a unique console only working on it, the console usually does something unique to the ship itself; IE, Cloak useable only on Gal-X and Defiant refit, MVAM usable only on the Long Range Tactical Ship, Saucer Separation usable only on the Galaxy (oddy has its own console), all the Vesta consoles, usable only on a vesta line ship, same with andorian ship.
all those consoles are only able to work on those ships, there are others but the point was made. Now if you look at all the other ships with consoles not bound or unique to the ship you find you can buy that ship (these are c-store ships, no console i know of from lockbox ships work on others outside of sets) and the console can be moved to other ships then it works as a booster.
Here is where things diverge, The JHAS-H pet cannot be used on any other ship, it cannot be purchased unless you get the JHAS itself, it cannot be used on the JHAS, and in terms of profit, they stand to make more by making the damn thing open to dreadnought users (in the case of people buying zen to transform into dilithium to obtain the purple quality).
One of the only redeemable fetures of the Jem'hadar Dreadnought Carrier is locked away on a trump issue which makes no real sense or feeling.
on the other note. I don't like name calling, it just starts a cycle which never ends and gets progressively worse as it goes, all the while not solving anything.:)
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you got screwed.. same as the people after the flamethrower
same as people wanting to pvp
same as people wanting to do x y z
over and over again it happens
welcome to sto
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PAID RACE CHANGE!
i can see that happening.
also RESPONSE PLZ SOME1!!! STILL NOTHING!!!
Has its already been said moves like this are becomming all to common when dealing with Cryptic.
My working theory is that the Hanger Bugs were originally going to be open to all Dread Owners till someone noted how cool they were and how long it took to bang them out and then Mr. Dewey motions to Mr. Cheatham who glances at Mr. Howe and then in unison they all laugh maniacally :eek:
odd....that is similar to my theory, just replace those people with random con men looking to scam a quick buck.
they will learn to love the threadnought about the dreadnought!
This is what makes stuff special.
Offcourse when u are not special, it is no fun and u want all things to be not special.
Be glad there are still some things unique in the game.
Try to be Lucky when there is another change aquiring it.
Maybe it is a bit harsh to say this but stop whining like a baby that wants the same toy the neighbour's baby has.
Maybe harsh but it's like that.
This is not communism, where everybody gets stamps so they can get exact the same stuff as everyone else. This is an MMO. Be glad about it.
Harsh... no closed minded to the real issue with the Dreadnought... yes
Thanks for playing Comrade :rolleyes:
It is more about greed and jealousy, that's an issue of the player
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So you feel that its perfecly fine for Cryptic to gate something that can only be used with a ship that you already own by forcing you to own another ship just to use options that belong to what you already own?
Let's take a look at the other in-game carriers and see where else somthing like this occurs:
Vo'Quv: uppon owning the Vo'Quv you get access to all versions of its To'Duj fighters and its BOP
Kar'Fi: uppon owing the Kar'Fi you get access to all versions of its Skul Fighters and its Fek'Ihri Frigates
Atrox: uppon owing the Atrox you get access to all versions of its Peregrine Fighters and its Stalker Fighters
Reclsue: not much to say with this one since it only has what it comes with
I don't want a Jem'Hadar Attack ship and I should not need one just so I can use something that can only work with the Carrier that I own.
I don't need to own a BOP to use Hanger BOP on my Vo'Quv.
I don't need to own a Fek'Ihri Frigate to use Hanger Fek'Ihri Frigates on my Kar'Fi.
I don't need to own a Stalker Fighter to use Hanger Stalker Fighers with my Atrox.
I should not have to own a Bug ship just so I can use Hanger Bugs on my Dreadnought.
You guys can accept this type of gating if you so choose but I for one will never accept this.
This will be come the new norm for Carriers going foward becaues they are the only ship class in the game that Cryptic can pull this type of junk with.
I'm sure that they'll be more hanger options for the Recluse but you'll need to own the Orb Weaver to get them.
I wonder what ships we'll need to own to get more hanger options for the Breen Capitol Carrier :rolleyes:
If you had the bug, and three of its console slots were locked off and unavailable unless you owned the jemnaught as well, whether you actually wanted to fly it or not, I think you would be singing a different tune.
Believe nothing they say
Let other try all new products first for a week or 2
Read the forums after that week or two and find out if that item is genuine or some kind of shady deal worthy of a ferengi with large lobes
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
that's the spirit!
So what is your point? You have to own the JHAS to get the JHAS pet for the dread. I wouldn't worry, sooner or later they will release it to everyone.
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If only I had seen this sooner LOL
If you buy it and don't own a bug as well, does it not work or something?
you cant buy it, the req is you need the bug to buy it.
jem dread need to be only req for jhas hangar fighters.not jhas or anything else.just the dread..
u do know that u need to have jhas on the same char which have the dread in order to get the pets?
why would some1 that love carriers buy an escort (which cost so darn much) just to get hangar fighters?
ik i wont.even if it cost 100zen.lol
I do know all that, I own all three and they are on my main. I will agree, they should change it to where no matter what character on the same account the JHAS is on it should unlock the hanger fighters as well.
Why should people pay money or EC to get the escort to unlock the hanger fighters? Because people paid money or EC to get the keys or the ship off the exchange to unlock the attack ship. Why should people that didn't have the attack ship get the hanger fighters?
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why not?i mean dont get me wrong.jhas playable ship and jhas hangar fighters are simply not same.beside look.i simple dont see reason why they put jhas req for silly hangar fighters.are they op too?rofl.its just greedy company that thinks we have no brain at all to realize how lame this is.
account unlock u say.that would be way better.i agree.but still not even near fair for ppl who dont like the escorts or chance geting ship options
so since u said that u have both on same char.i must say u dont really understand how ppl like me feel.ill never put jhas on my engineer which got the dread just so she can get the pets.
QFT
I'm glad that others are seeing how wrong this move by Cryptic is.
It all comes down to money and trying to make a profit off of something that should have been given to all that own the Dreadnought Carrier.
ok lets put it this way, if your JHAS had the ability to buy a whole new space setup only availible on the JHAS itself with new visuals and some great passives, BUT you could only buy the space setup by owning an uber rare (talking a .05% chance at one) founder doff/boff which could only be obtained from a one month duty officer pack, would you accept it? the space set cant be used on any other ship, and it only benafits the JHAS.
even if they release the JHAS again, it is clear they will lower its probability of obtainment quite significantly, as to preserve its rarity and uniqueness.
Yes I would accept it, that is what makes it rare and unique. Though I would work at getting it. There are consoles on ships that I paid for like the vesta, and the multi photon launcher that I would love to use on my fleet Excelsior or fleet Ambassador, but I can not, I would love to have a battlecloak for my fleet defiant, am I going to get one? No, am I going to come to the forums and complain? No, I accept what the devs decided on and continue to play.
They are a company to make money, and they have to figure out how to continue to make money so they can keep the servers up, devs get their paychecks and we can enjoy the game.
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I have no dispute with them trying to make money, hell I willingly ship them unmarked containers of gold pressed latinum, but no I should have made this more clear, what I described is far more valuable and far more worth it, however the fact remains, the pet which can ONLY be launched from the dreadnought is not worth the *need JHAS to buy* condition, see, the JHAS-H pet is the only real unique thing the Dreadnought has aside from it being a purely tactical carrier.
I can understand and I'd support the Idea I stated above, because it is unique to the JHAS alone, but to lock away an item which is unique to the Jem'Hadar Dreadnought in a false image that it is a bonus for the JHAS is just wrong.
They don't even bother to fix the Dreadnought fighters, they suck horribly, yet they fix the JHAS-H pets.
a real bonus for the JHAS would have been either making the pets free, or giving them the ability to buy a unique jem'hadar space set like I said above.
If you were tying to make a point with this I'm missing it
The things that you mention don't really support any type of point at all here.
Battle Cloak for the Defiant (non existent and never will) and consoles that can only be used on the ships that they come with (speaks for itself)?
How in any way does that stuff compare to the issue that I keep pointing out with the Dreadnought Carrier?
Cryptic has every right to try to make more money but moves like this are beyond the point of reason.
Once again its an Hanger Attack ship that can only be used with the Dreadnought Carrier :eek:
thank you for playin, captain clueless!
The point is there are a lot of other things we pay for that are lock out. Plenty of consoles on C-store ships that are locked to a certain kind of ship and can not be used on others. Here though is a console that can only be used on the dread, and only can be used if you won a certain ship.
Why should it be open to people that only paid for the Dread? When some of us made the decision to buy keys and play the lottery to win a special ship.
There is an old Klingon saying on the forums, if you want a battlecloak play a Klingon. So if you want the JHAS pets get the JHAS player ship, simple as that.
If Cryptic later on decides to give the attach ship freely, it wouldn't surprise me one bit.
With all that said above, I hope Cryptic can come up with at least something that can make both parties happy. Maybe a slightly less hull points and/or shield points for the pets for people that do not have the JHAS.
(On a personal note, thanks for restoring some faith that people can still have dispute about something and not resorting to name calling.) :-)
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yes and those ships which have their own consoles can only give you those consoles if you have them and only work on those ships, however this is not the case here.
In the instance where you have the ship with a unique console only working on it, the console usually does something unique to the ship itself; IE, Cloak useable only on Gal-X and Defiant refit, MVAM usable only on the Long Range Tactical Ship, Saucer Separation usable only on the Galaxy (oddy has its own console), all the Vesta consoles, usable only on a vesta line ship, same with andorian ship.
all those consoles are only able to work on those ships, there are others but the point was made. Now if you look at all the other ships with consoles not bound or unique to the ship you find you can buy that ship (these are c-store ships, no console i know of from lockbox ships work on others outside of sets) and the console can be moved to other ships then it works as a booster.
Here is where things diverge, The JHAS-H pet cannot be used on any other ship, it cannot be purchased unless you get the JHAS itself, it cannot be used on the JHAS, and in terms of profit, they stand to make more by making the damn thing open to dreadnought users (in the case of people buying zen to transform into dilithium to obtain the purple quality).
One of the only redeemable fetures of the Jem'hadar Dreadnought Carrier is locked away on a trump issue which makes no real sense or feeling.
on the other note. I don't like name calling, it just starts a cycle which never ends and gets progressively worse as it goes, all the while not solving anything.:)