Bran, can you give us an ETA on when the NPC contacts (space for sure, ground would be great too) will hit the Foundry? I guess we can work around it for now, but no contacts is really tying our hands.
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them." -Thomas Marrone
...I LOVE IT!
It those get a bit tiring having serious missions all the time, maybe the one after this challenge could be a humourous or emotion endusing challenge.
One moment you play a funny Mission called "Two Gorns and a Targ Sandwich" then you play an upsetting mission called "Saving Ensign Ricky" :P
Hell, why not a cheesy romance involving an Aquatic Xindi and a Caitain!
Bran, can you give us an ETA on when the NPC contacts (space for sure, ground would be great too) will hit the Foundry? I guess we can work around it for now, but no contacts is really tying our hands.
I'm just using renamed Hirogen Frigates/Ensigns for the time being, then I can just swap them over when ready, I find their speed, movement and size are closest.
STAR TREK CONTINUES
Episode One - A Single MomentEpisode Two - InfancyEpisode Three - Unto the Breach Episode Four - Head Of A NeedleEpisode Five: The Duality of MenEpisode Six - Redemption Earned Episode Seven - Shattered UniverseEpisode Eight - The Gepetto ConditionEpisode Nine - One Room, Two Officers Episode Ten - Beyond The Farthest StarEpisode Eleven - It's OK, It Won't HurtEpisode Twelve - A Protracted Officer Episode Thirteen - SomewhenEpisode Fourteen - The Boy Who LivedEpisode Fifthteen - Empathy
I'm just using renamed Hirogen Frigates/Ensigns for the time being, then I can just swap them over when ready, I find their speed, movement and size are closest.
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them." -Thomas Marrone
Bran, can you give us an ETA on when the NPC contacts (space for sure, ground would be great too) will hit the Foundry? I guess we can work around it for now, but no contacts is really tying our hands.
There is no ETA, as I'm not sure if they will be added. Sorry if this was not more clear in my posts earlier in this thread Feel free to leave feedback about this in a separate thread in the Foundry Discussion forum.
You guys haven't mentioned my main gripe, which is that the only ground Tholians we have are the ones in EV suits, so we can't see Tholians in their natural form. So even talking to them ship to ship or going in EV suits to their natural habitat is something we can't do.
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them." -Thomas Marrone
I would be very careful about expecting the space mobs to be available before the deadline. You guys will have built complete missions expecting to easily swap the mobs and contact dialogue costumes, when it might not happen before the deadline.
I would be very careful about expecting the space mobs to be available before the deadline. You guys will have built complete missions expecting to easily swap the mobs and contact dialogue costumes, when it might not happen before the deadline.
I'm honestly inspired to try a lot of things I never have before because of the limits of this challenge. Both from a storytelling perspective and using the stuff the Foundry editor can do.
By no means am I saying that I feel any differently about how unreasonable it is to ask us to do this challenge with NO contacts, No Tholian Ground Mobs not in Enviro suits, No actual Tholian set pieces (C'mon give us the stinkin' bridge !) .......
but I guess if we're being asked to make breakfast with nothing but popcorn, mayo and cayenne pepper for seasoning, we'll have to make do.
So, how long till Challenge #7 ?
Peace, Love and May Your Stories Flourish
- Hippie
Thanks. Just to be clear: It's just npc group mobs though, yes? We can't reskin a friendly Fed ship as a Tholian, we can't set a tholian as a costume, we can't talk to a Tholian, etc.
So we can either kill them in space or kill them on the ground. Or we can use invis walls galore and somehow fake a dialogue with the back of computer console. I guess we could use invis objects with default text and not select a costume.
People probably need a workaround tutorial for this contest.
I'm actually considering it. Some of these tricks are tribal knowledge that shouldn't be necessary in the first place, and they only work because certain things are not working as intended in the first place.
I think I'll do my part to level the playing field when the challenge isn't how to tell a good story but instead how to even tell a story without X, Y, and Z.
A question.. the npcs in my mission are driving me insane (falling through the map/dissapearing)... once i've finished the mission, can I publish it for a brief time to see if the npcs actually work or if I need to edit the maps etc?
A question.. the npcs in my mission are driving me insane (falling through the map/dissapearing)... once i've finished the mission, can I publish it for a brief time to see if the npcs actually work or if I need to edit the maps etc?
Yes, you can publish it to do a test, but you'll need to withdraw it ASAP -- it would also be best to delete the title/ description and put a placeholder that mentions you are testing and to not play it.
One thing you can do is publish, go pick up the mission with a captain, then go unpublish. That captain will still have the mission and can play it, but nobody else can see it while you're testing.
I know alot of us are disappointed that we can't get Contacts/Costumes for the Tholians, but still we got more toys to play with, maybe it's time we should show some gratitude by using what they've given us the best we can and make some amazing missions for this Challenge.
I am generally surprised they haven't made a bridge and interior for the NX class.
I mean we already got the ship and character costumes/npc!
STAR TREK CONTINUES
Episode One - A Single MomentEpisode Two - InfancyEpisode Three - Unto the Breach Episode Four - Head Of A NeedleEpisode Five: The Duality of MenEpisode Six - Redemption Earned Episode Seven - Shattered UniverseEpisode Eight - The Gepetto ConditionEpisode Nine - One Room, Two Officers Episode Ten - Beyond The Farthest StarEpisode Eleven - It's OK, It Won't HurtEpisode Twelve - A Protracted Officer Episode Thirteen - SomewhenEpisode Fourteen - The Boy Who LivedEpisode Fifthteen - Empathy
I know alot of us are disappointed that we can't get Contacts/Costumes for the Tholians, but still we got more toys to play with, maybe it's time we should show some gratitude by using what they've given us the best we can and make some amazing missions for this Challenge.
I am generally surprised they haven't made a bridge and interior for the NX class.
I mean we already got the ship and character costumes/npc!
I know alot of us are disappointed that we can't get Contacts/Costumes for the Tholians, but still we got more toys to play with, maybe it's time we should show some gratitude by using what they've given us the best we can and make some amazing missions for this Challenge. !
We're basically providing them unlimited content and it's almost free, unless they are investing massive amounts of money in it, which is doubtful. They should show us some gratitude.
Jokes apart, don't be silly, this challenge sounds like a "create a harry potter episode using the foundry" to most of us and you know we are right.
Can I just ask a quick question - if I wanted to reference or use locations/events covered within the Star Trek: Vanguard novels, would that be allowed under the EULA?
I'm not entirely sure whether characters from the novels can be used either, but I wouldn't just to be on the safe side.
Can I just ask a quick question - if I wanted to reference or use locations/events covered within the Star Trek: Vanguard novels, would that be allowed under the EULA?
I'm not entirely sure whether characters from the novels can be used either, but I wouldn't just to be on the safe side.
Referencing them should be fine.
It's the likeness rights that cause the big problems I think.
I dont see how its a problem, CBS owns the rights and the characters arnt portrayed by any actors... I think that one is safe, as is the New Frontier novels.
STAR TREK CONTINUES
Episode One - A Single MomentEpisode Two - InfancyEpisode Three - Unto the Breach Episode Four - Head Of A NeedleEpisode Five: The Duality of MenEpisode Six - Redemption Earned Episode Seven - Shattered UniverseEpisode Eight - The Gepetto ConditionEpisode Nine - One Room, Two Officers Episode Ten - Beyond The Farthest StarEpisode Eleven - It's OK, It Won't HurtEpisode Twelve - A Protracted Officer Episode Thirteen - SomewhenEpisode Fourteen - The Boy Who LivedEpisode Fifthteen - Empathy
Guess what, Tholian space mobs (which cannot be reskinned) randomly produce mirror Federation ships as well as Tholian ones.
This means that in any given situation you cannot even be certain which a player will be facing when a Tholian mob is placed. This is actually a bigger limitation than no contacts being available; at least you can plan your mission around that--This will change from play to play.
Guess what, Tholian space mobs (which cannot be reskinned) randomly produce mirror Federation ships as well as Tholian ones.
This means that in any given situation you cannot even be certain which a player will be facing when a Tholian mob is placed. This is actually a bigger limitation than no contacts being available; at least you can plan your mission around that--This will change from play to play.
You're joking right? ... meh you're awesome.. you're being serious... well....... im going to need to through in one of those lines what'll elt it slide
"The Tholian have been using X ships they captured from X race"
wait theres no mirror ships to use either.. other than the typhoon.
Thats not too bad, I'll just add a short comment at the enemys base that you can see the file that explains this but you dont have time for intel gathering.
STAR TREK CONTINUES
Episode One - A Single MomentEpisode Two - InfancyEpisode Three - Unto the Breach Episode Four - Head Of A NeedleEpisode Five: The Duality of MenEpisode Six - Redemption Earned Episode Seven - Shattered UniverseEpisode Eight - The Gepetto ConditionEpisode Nine - One Room, Two Officers Episode Ten - Beyond The Farthest StarEpisode Eleven - It's OK, It Won't HurtEpisode Twelve - A Protracted Officer Episode Thirteen - SomewhenEpisode Fourteen - The Boy Who LivedEpisode Fifthteen - Empathy
Thats not too bad, I'll just add a short comment at the enemys base that you can see the file that explains this but you dont have time for intel gathering.
how many players are required for the mirror unvierse vessels to spawn ?
Guess what, Tholian space mobs (which cannot be reskinned) randomly produce mirror Federation ships as well as Tholian ones.
This means that in any given situation you cannot even be certain which a player will be facing when a Tholian mob is placed. This is actually a bigger limitation than no contacts being available; at least you can plan your mission around that--This will change from play to play.
If I'm not mistaken, the mob you put down will be all Tholiam ships. One of the powers they use calls in mirror universe ships, as seen in the various PvE content against Tholians, so I believe this is what you're seeing. It's part of the STO lore of the Tholians and what their up to nowadays.
If I'm not mistaken, the mob you put down will be all Tholiam ships. One of the powers they use calls in mirror universe ships, as seen in the various PvE content against Tholians, so I believe this is what you're seeing. It's part of the STO lore of the Tholians and what their up to nowadays.
Cheers,
Brandon =/\=
At what level of ships do they use this power ?
This challenge just gets more and more .... unreasonable is a nice way to put it.
This challenge just gets more and more .... unreasonable is a nice way to put it.
I'm not sure how this is unreasonable. Think of it like this. You, as a sci player, can use a power that brings in a photonic fleet for support. The Tholians have a power that can open a rift that brings in mirror universe ships to help them. It's just an innate power they have and should not affect your lore if a player has fought against Tholians in Cryptic-created content as its just part of the norm.
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Newp. Just combat mobs.
lol @pendra. I dare you to make that mission
Grr...
Bran, can you give us an ETA on when the NPC contacts (space for sure, ground would be great too) will hit the Foundry? I guess we can work around it for now, but no contacts is really tying our hands.
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them."
-Thomas Marrone
...I LOVE IT!
It those get a bit tiring having serious missions all the time, maybe the one after this challenge could be a humourous or emotion endusing challenge.
One moment you play a funny Mission called "Two Gorns and a Targ Sandwich" then you play an upsetting mission called "Saving Ensign Ricky" :P
Hell, why not a cheesy romance involving an Aquatic Xindi and a Caitain!
I'm just using renamed Hirogen Frigates/Ensigns for the time being, then I can just swap them over when ready, I find their speed, movement and size are closest.
Episode Four - Head Of A Needle Episode Five: The Duality of Men Episode Six - Redemption Earned
Episode Seven - Shattered Universe Episode Eight - The Gepetto Condition Episode Nine - One Room, Two Officers
Episode Ten - Beyond The Farthest Star Episode Eleven - It's OK, It Won't Hurt Episode Twelve - A Protracted Officer
Episode Thirteen - Somewhen Episode Fourteen - The Boy Who Lived Episode Fifthteen - Empathy
Hmm...could the Caitians actually be the long-lost Xindi-Felinoids? :eek:
Contacts, not groups.
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them."
-Thomas Marrone
There is no ETA, as I'm not sure if they will be added. Sorry if this was not more clear in my posts earlier in this thread
Cheers,
Brandon =/\=
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?p=7527511#post7527511
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them."
-Thomas Marrone
Space Tholian mobs are on Tribble now, and are going into the patch for Holodeck tonight in just under 2 hours: http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?p=7512111#post7512111
Cheers,
Brandon =/\=
By no means am I saying that I feel any differently about how unreasonable it is to ask us to do this challenge with NO contacts, No Tholian Ground Mobs not in Enviro suits, No actual Tholian set pieces (C'mon give us the stinkin' bridge !) .......
but I guess if we're being asked to make breakfast with nothing but popcorn, mayo and cayenne pepper for seasoning, we'll have to make do.
So, how long till Challenge #7 ?
Peace, Love and May Your Stories Flourish
- Hippie
Thanks. Just to be clear: It's just npc group mobs though, yes? We can't reskin a friendly Fed ship as a Tholian, we can't set a tholian as a costume, we can't talk to a Tholian, etc.
So we can either kill them in space or kill them on the ground. Or we can use invis walls galore and somehow fake a dialogue with the back of computer console. I guess we could use invis objects with default text and not select a costume.
People probably need a workaround tutorial for this contest.
Truth.
'Nuff said.
I'm actually considering it. Some of these tricks are tribal knowledge that shouldn't be necessary in the first place, and they only work because certain things are not working as intended in the first place.
I think I'll do my part to level the playing field when the challenge isn't how to tell a good story but instead how to even tell a story without X, Y, and Z.
Yes, you can publish it to do a test, but you'll need to withdraw it ASAP -- it would also be best to delete the title/ description and put a placeholder that mentions you are testing and to not play it.
Cheers,
Brandon =/\=
I am generally surprised they haven't made a bridge and interior for the NX class.
I mean we already got the ship and character costumes/npc!
Episode Four - Head Of A Needle Episode Five: The Duality of Men Episode Six - Redemption Earned
Episode Seven - Shattered Universe Episode Eight - The Gepetto Condition Episode Nine - One Room, Two Officers
Episode Ten - Beyond The Farthest Star Episode Eleven - It's OK, It Won't Hurt Episode Twelve - A Protracted Officer
Episode Thirteen - Somewhen Episode Fourteen - The Boy Who Lived Episode Fifthteen - Empathy
maybe some enterprise maco outfits? :O
We're basically providing them unlimited content and it's almost free, unless they are investing massive amounts of money in it, which is doubtful. They should show us some gratitude.
Jokes apart, don't be silly, this challenge sounds like a "create a harry potter episode using the foundry" to most of us and you know we are right.
God, lvl 60 CW. 17k.
I'm not entirely sure whether characters from the novels can be used either, but I wouldn't just to be on the safe side.
Referencing them should be fine.
It's the likeness rights that cause the big problems I think.
Episode Four - Head Of A Needle Episode Five: The Duality of Men Episode Six - Redemption Earned
Episode Seven - Shattered Universe Episode Eight - The Gepetto Condition Episode Nine - One Room, Two Officers
Episode Ten - Beyond The Farthest Star Episode Eleven - It's OK, It Won't Hurt Episode Twelve - A Protracted Officer
Episode Thirteen - Somewhen Episode Fourteen - The Boy Who Lived Episode Fifthteen - Empathy
This means that in any given situation you cannot even be certain which a player will be facing when a Tholian mob is placed. This is actually a bigger limitation than no contacts being available; at least you can plan your mission around that--This will change from play to play.
You're joking right? ... meh you're awesome.. you're being serious... well....... im going to need to through in one of those lines what'll elt it slide
"The Tholian have been using X ships they captured from X race"
wait theres no mirror ships to use either.. other than the typhoon.
Episode Four - Head Of A Needle Episode Five: The Duality of Men Episode Six - Redemption Earned
Episode Seven - Shattered Universe Episode Eight - The Gepetto Condition Episode Nine - One Room, Two Officers
Episode Ten - Beyond The Farthest Star Episode Eleven - It's OK, It Won't Hurt Episode Twelve - A Protracted Officer
Episode Thirteen - Somewhen Episode Fourteen - The Boy Who Lived Episode Fifthteen - Empathy
how many players are required for the mirror unvierse vessels to spawn ?
If I'm not mistaken, the mob you put down will be all Tholiam ships. One of the powers they use calls in mirror universe ships, as seen in the various PvE content against Tholians, so I believe this is what you're seeing. It's part of the STO lore of the Tholians and what their up to nowadays.
Cheers,
Brandon =/\=
At what level of ships do they use this power ?
This challenge just gets more and more .... unreasonable is a nice way to put it.
I'm not sure how this is unreasonable. Think of it like this. You, as a sci player, can use a power that brings in a photonic fleet for support. The Tholians have a power that can open a rift that brings in mirror universe ships to help them. It's just an innate power they have and should not affect your lore if a player has fought against Tholians in Cryptic-created content as its just part of the norm.
Cheers,
Brandon =/\=