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the ship needed romulan sensors so it could operate while cloaked (etc)
The show Defiant is not a Romulan ship. It has a Romulan cloaking device, that's it. It doesn't have Romulan Sensors, it doesn't have Romulan Shields, it doesn't have Romulan Engines, and it was built at the Mars Shipyards.
I would agree, the Dominion would be an interesting faction. The only problem with them is that they're on the other side of the wormhole and have no business being on our side anymore. The War finished long ago, and the 2800 pretty much set them up as doing their own thing in their own space. We really need a third faction that will be able to interact with the Federation and Klingon.
That being said, it has been mentioned of a more neutral faction, and the Dominion would fit in there (not having an aggressive stance to either the FED or KDF). I suspect though, the Dominion will be saved for a further reputation system that deals with Polaron weaponry and Vorta Bridge Officers.
Flash, every tool has a purpose in mind when it's designed. Obviously the Galaxy and Excelsior classes were on par with contemporary Klingon, Romulan, Cardassian, Tholian, and even the Dominion, designs, and so weren't really in need of replacement. Refitting could have performed the necessary upgrade without the time and effort put into a completely new design.
I would imagine most of the Excelsior Class vessels (disregarding STO) would have been close to retirement come the Dominion War. It's a fair bet they were kept around as Starfleet needed ships.
Hell, how many Miranda Class did we see in the war alone?
You don't create a whole new tool to do the same job as an existing tool without a good reason. I see no reason to replace the Galaxy, as it's more capable than the Sovereign in non-wartime roles, and almost on par in combat roles. The better multi-role ship is the Galaxy.
Which brings another aspect to the creation reasoning and philosophy of the Sovereign. It's a warship. No civvies, minimal diplomatic facilities (in relation to the Galaxy), compact, agile for a ship it's size. If the Federation were to have a predator ship, the Sovereign closely follows the Defiant.
Except that the Sovereign is still a Cruiser outfitted for multiple mission roles. If it was designed purely for the Borg, they wouldn't have bothered with all the exploration and scientific tools and equipment that it had.
Besides the fact, the Sovereign was designed (if I'm not mistaken) in the Dominion War. It's a safe bet to think that the Sovereign was designed to fight the Dominion, not the Borg. The Defiant (before the war) was designed to fight the Borg. That was explicitly stated to be such.
If you wish to believe the Sovereign was designed to fight the Borg, you're more than welcome to believe so. I however do not see any reason nor evidence to support your conclusion so shall continue to believe otherwise.
In fact, the next lockbox will probably be the Dominion Escort and I won't be surprised if a Keldon lockbox is also developed for profit.
Yeah, you're probably right. Either that or the Warship with the other going into the Lobi Store. I'm not so sure about a Keldon though. They were limited enough in the series as it is. They'd be better off making it an optional upgrade to those who have the Galor.
Of course, there still is the "elephant in the room" known as the KDF faction that still needs more development, so I don't see any serious work on a third faction for most (if not all) of 2013; also, we still need some real end-game story content.
:rolleyes: I thought you said you read the beginning of the thread?
Shinzon may have wanted to capture Picard, but the Enterprise still took a worse beating than the Mogais and the fact the Enterprise rammed the Scimitar and still survived.
...because one Mogai had one less wing than the other one, which was completely disabled. Shinzon took the Enterprise to the point where (he thought) Picard would surrender to save his crew (or something).
Secondly, isn't this your second thread about the exact same thing a few weeks about having the Romulans team up with the Cardassians for a third faction?
It'll be my last, don't worry.
The reason (if you were wondering) is that I actually started this one with a fully-fledged out proposal (ideas, reasons, explanations) etc. The other thread started out all up in the air (so to speak).
Whilst I too would like to play as a Cardassian over a Romulan, they're never going to give us a Cardassian faction before a Romulan one. Romulans will always be number #3.
i'll go with my brain on this one... creating a mirror universe faction would be the easy option.
Hah, you know, you're not wrong in terms of it being easy, but then... we've already got the Federation. A Terran Empire would pretty much be Federation #2.
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the ship needed romulan sensors so it could operate while cloaked (etc)
The show Defiant is not a Romulan ship. It has a Romulan cloaking device, that's it. It doesn't have Romulan Sensors, it doesn't have Romulan Shields, it doesn't have Romulan Engines, and it was built at the Mars Shipyards
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with romulan parts and designs for the systems listed
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probably not
but all ingame ones do
Not all the in-games ones do, only the zen-purchased and fleet versions (I think).
that is the in game ones
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question is where ?
New Romulus? Earth? Cardassia? Bajor? Trill? Hell, there are countless worlds where both could walk with their suits on.
Well definately not Earth (both races are shoot on sight there still)
Cardassia has the best bet (would make a good subject race for either)
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surely not cats
everyone loves cats right?
with romulan parts and designs for the systems listed
What are you on about exactly? I feel we're thinking about different things.
I am talking about the Defiant Class vessel as seen in the shows and on the films (specifically ST:First Contact). There is nothing, what-so-ever in the design of the Defiant Class that is Romulan. It's all Starfleet.
No, not a mouse (if he was, he'd be a very clever mouse having been able to impregnate a woman to produce me). No, the reason my Dad doesn't like cats is cause they keep doing their business in our garden.
The Sovereign was not designed during the Dominion War, since the Enterprise was launched in 2372. I would say the Sovereign's design period was the early to mid 2360s with the Sovereign, herself, being launched in 2370 or 2371. So a number of factors and threats were probably incorporated into the design ranging from the Borg to the Klingons to the Cardassians.
We saw many Excelsiors and Mirandas fighting in the war. If they were refitted similar to the Lakota, then they were very formidable warships in their own right.
The Sovereign was not designed during the Dominion War, since the Enterprise was launched in 2372. I would say the Sovereign's design period was the early to mid 2360s with the Sovereign, herself, being launched in 2370 or 2371. So a number of factors and threats were probably incorporated into the design ranging from the Borg to the Klingons to the Cardassians.
I can accept this. If my memory serves, there was a lot going on with the Romulans during the 2360's too, them trying to destabilize regions and what not.
We saw many Excelsiors and Mirandas fighting in the war. If they were refitted similar to the Lakota, then they were very formidable warships in their own right.
Considering how many Miranda Class ships I saw get blown apart, I don't think 'formidable' is quite the word I'd use to describe them.
I would agree, the Dominion would be an interesting faction. The only problem with them is that they're on the other side of the wormhole and have no business being on our side anymore. The War finished long ago, and the 2800 pretty much set them up as doing their own thing in their own space. We really need a third faction that will be able to interact with the Federation and Klingon.
That being said, it has been mentioned of a more neutral faction, and the Dominion would fit in there (not having an aggressive stance to either the FED or KDF). I suspect though, the Dominion will be saved for a further reputation system that deals with Polaron weaponry and Vorta Bridge Officers.
Ah, but what if the events of the 2800 convinced the Founders to take a more active role in the alpha and beta quadrants? That could be made more interesting by having ships with DI/RP to visit the gamma Quadrant.
I can accept this. If my memory serves, there was a lot going on with the Romulans during the 2360's too, them trying to destabilize regions and what not.
Considering how many Miranda Class ships I saw get blown apart, I don't think 'formidable' is quite the word I'd use to describe them.
We saw five get blown apart on screen. We saw more BOPS and Vor'chas get ripped to shreds, plus a few Akiras.
Anyway. Why not the Typhon Pact? It was secret for a period of time. Though, the Gorn do present a problem. Seeing as they're in the Klingon Empire now.
I wish they would have followed the books more to be honest.
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"Second star on the right, and straight on till morning."
Anyway. Why not the Typhon Pact? It was secret for a period of time. Though, the Gorn do present a problem. Seeing as they're in the Klingon Empire now.
I wish they would have followed the books more to be honest.
we could always make a sto version of the typhon pact....
for example.. the federation and klingon empires have more or less pissed off every other faction out there... so the candidates could be...
Romulan Star Empire (or whats left of it - various reasons for joining)
Cardassian True Way (annoyed for various reasons)
Breen Confederacy (annoyed over the deferi missons)
Tholian Assembley (annoyed over the nukara prime and new romulas missions)
Terran Empire (Want to conquere the feds)
Hirogen Hunters ( Simply hunting fed/kdf targets as per their agreement with the tal'shair)
then species wise...
Romulan
Reman
Cardassian
Breen
Terran (aka Human)
Tholian (in a suit while dealing with the other races :P)
Hirogen
"Alien"
then ship wise... well... from the above factions we have more than enough to choose from :O
Anyway. Why not the Typhon Pact? It was secret for a period of time. Though, the Gorn do present a problem. Seeing as they're in the Klingon Empire now.
Too many unlikely species working together. That's the reason I don't like it. Whoever first wrote about it was just lazy and wanted to make one big enemy.
I wish they would have followed the books more to be honest.
I wish they hadn't followed anything except Roddenberry Trek. ENT>TOS>TNG>DS9>VOY and the films.
They should have looked the other way where JJ's film was concerned. That way, we'd still have a Romulus and a higher probability of them as a third faction.
Roddenberry wasn't all that great of a writer, philosopher, or well... anything really. Plus, DS9, ENT, and VOY are all Berman creatons, not Roddenberry,
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Roddenberry wasn't all that great of a writer, philosopher, or well... anything really. Plus, DS9, ENT, and VOY are all Berman creatons, not Roddenberry,
Agreed. I don't worship at the altar of Roddenberry either. I give him credit as the guy who started it all, but a lot of his plot ideas/episode ideas were rather kookish, and likely would've sunk the series back in TNG had he been given a 100% free hand.
My PvP toon is Krov, of The House of Snoo. Beware of my Hegh'ta of doom.
I'm gonna break away from the usual thread of discussion here. . .
I propose we have an Undine faction. Seriously.
We could have the Gekli as a ship/species, having been successfully hunted/conquered.
Cryptic could create 2-3 other species 'native' to fluidic space.
We already have several maps that depict what fluidic space could look like, and it's awesome.
We don't have lockbox ships of Undine out, so there wouldn't be that complication. There isn't any other Undine equipment available, either.
Discuss.
This fourm poster has voted undine... give him a medal :P
Unlock it at level 50..... Species... All we need is Undine.. not those silly gekli thingys :P
as seen in the foundry their armour is and size is customizable (sp ??? <<< I know thats spelt wrong) Ships we have one for each class... and a dreadnought :P
This fourm poster has voted undine... give him a medal :P
Unlock it at level 50..... Species... All we need is Undine.. not those silly gekli thingys :P
as seen in the foundry their armour is and size is customizable (sp ??? <<< I know thats spelt wrong) Ships we have one for each class... and a dreadnought :P
Yeah, end-game faction is all that's needed for Undine. I'd be happy with that, and would probably have a toon in the faction.
I'd love to see the kind of wicked traits and skills the Undine could have access to as a feature of their superior biology. Not to mention meleeing as an Undine on the ground, for those who somehow like ground content.
My PvP toon is Krov, of The House of Snoo. Beware of my Hegh'ta of doom.
Yeah, end-game faction is all that's needed for Undine. I'd be happy with that, and would probably have a toon in the faction.
I'd love to see the kind of wicked traits and skills the Undine could have access to as a feature of their superior biology. Not to mention meleeing as an Undine on the ground, for those who somehow like ground content.
I like ground combat :P .... anyway... i'll post some screenies of some of the things you can do in the foundry with the undine...
Yeah, end-game faction is all that's needed for Undine. I'd be happy with that, and would probably have a toon in the faction.
I'd love to see the kind of wicked traits and skills the Undine could have access to as a feature of their superior biology. Not to mention meleeing as an Undine on the ground, for those who somehow like ground content.
Look me up and I will happily destroy you.... by dismemberment....
Undine could be a lot of fun to play as. You could even have 'subspecies' of Undine!
Normal Undine: bruisers in ground combat... inherent regeneration and a toxic effect on their melee attacks.
Infiltrators: have a special ability to imitate a being they're fighting. this causes enemies of that faction to sometimes not attack them. This would change your character's look while active
Psi-masters: Undine with above average Psionic powers, they can use that mind blast attack
Borg Undine: Former Borg Undine, like the human and klingon counterparts, but these aren't necessarily beings who wer fully assimilated, maybe just beings who were "infected" with Borg tech and not actually assimilated.
Look me up and I will happily destroy you.... by dismemberment....
Undine could be a lot of fun to play as. You could even have 'subspecies' of Undine!
Normal Undine: bruisers in ground combat... inherent regeneration and a toxic effect on their melee attacks.
Infiltrators: have a special ability to imitate a being they're fighting. this causes enemies of that faction to sometimes not attack them. This would change your character's look while active
Psi-masters: Undine with above average Psionic powers, they can use that mind blast attack
Borg Undine: Former Borg Undine, like the human and klingon counterparts, but these aren't necessarily beings who wer fully assimilated, maybe just beings who were "infected" with Borg tech and not actually assimilated.
Infiltration skill sounds fun :P You turn into whatever your current target is.. you can then run up behind them and.. PEW!
Warning: Vulcans, Betazoids & aliens with telepathic trait might see through your disguise :P
Borg Undine: Former Borg Undine, like the human and klingon counterparts, but these aren't necessarily beings who wer fully assimilated, maybe just beings who were "infected" with Borg tech and not actually assimilated.
I think the Undine would see it as an abomination. Likewise to any unlucky offspring created by those sneaky infiltrators. ... Still it would be a twist if the "assimilated Undine" was still in control :P
I think the Undine would see it as an abomination. Likewise to any unlucky offspring created by those sneaky infiltrators. ... Still it would be a twist if the "assimilated Undine" was still in control :P
Well, you could see it as the Undine recognizing that these individuals have unique "talents" that could be useful for destroying their enemies. In a way they're outcasts, but they're not exiles.
Ooh.. I like the weapon idea! Maybe a special plasma torpedo that has a primary fire similar to a HY plasma torp, and... may God have mercy on the souls of those who you shoot when using torpedo skills. It'd need a rather slow recharge, but enh...
Ooh.. I like the weapon idea! Maybe a special plasma torpedo that has a primary fire similar to a HY plasma torp, and... may God have mercy on the souls of those who you shoot when using torpedo skills. It'd need a rather slow recharge, but enh...
lol... turn friendly fire on.. and well... in a crowded situtation... BOOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kits powers.. lets try to turn them into Undine-ified skills :P
Look me up and I will happily destroy you.... by dismemberment....
Undine could be a lot of fun to play as. You could even have 'subspecies' of Undine!
Normal Undine: bruisers in ground combat... inherent regeneration and a toxic effect on their melee attacks.
Infiltrators: have a special ability to imitate a being they're fighting. this causes enemies of that faction to sometimes not attack them. This would change your character's look while active
Psi-masters: Undine with above average Psionic powers, they can use that mind blast attack
Borg Undine: Former Borg Undine, like the human and klingon counterparts, but these aren't necessarily beings who wer fully assimilated, maybe just beings who were "infected" with Borg tech and not actually assimilated.
hell yeah, to hell with the romulans and cardassians, this would fit in a lot better.
A) it allows the devs to end the fed/kdf war so they can focus on the Iconions (obviously there will still be the odd pew pew now and then)
lets face it.. the real pvp is at level 50, If the Undine unlock at level 50 they can go straight into the fun (Tholians, Breen etc)
C) Gives the players something new to play with.
D) you have the terrasphere model.. we have a starbase for the Undine... plop it in the Pelia sector.
E) let the foundry authers take care of the pve stuff :P
Turrets... some kind of biological anti proton living turret ? :O
Mortar.. (same again except maybe it spits some form of acid ? )
Cover Shield.. (Undine holds up a vulcan to absorb incoming fire)
most of the kit powers work the same for both Feds and KDF so I doubt that would change. But mortars? Hehe... remember the acid bomb used by the sandworm in Coliseum? Hehehe.... that could work nicely. Regular turrets? yeah some sort of bio-tech AP. Drones, definately need Drones. Fed drones are rather distinctive with their cone-like shape, KDF drones are spinning razor disks. Undine drones..... make them look like the Macrovirus heh...
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Not all the in-games ones do, only the zen-purchased and fleet versions (I think).
New Romulus? Earth? Cardassia? Bajor? Trill? Hell, there are countless worlds where both could walk with their suits on.
My Dad doesn't.
Thanks for that.
I would agree, the Dominion would be an interesting faction. The only problem with them is that they're on the other side of the wormhole and have no business being on our side anymore. The War finished long ago, and the 2800 pretty much set them up as doing their own thing in their own space. We really need a third faction that will be able to interact with the Federation and Klingon.
That being said, it has been mentioned of a more neutral faction, and the Dominion would fit in there (not having an aggressive stance to either the FED or KDF). I suspect though, the Dominion will be saved for a further reputation system that deals with Polaron weaponry and Vorta Bridge Officers.
I would imagine most of the Excelsior Class vessels (disregarding STO) would have been close to retirement come the Dominion War. It's a fair bet they were kept around as Starfleet needed ships.
Hell, how many Miranda Class did we see in the war alone?
Except that the Sovereign is still a Cruiser outfitted for multiple mission roles. If it was designed purely for the Borg, they wouldn't have bothered with all the exploration and scientific tools and equipment that it had.
Besides the fact, the Sovereign was designed (if I'm not mistaken) in the Dominion War. It's a safe bet to think that the Sovereign was designed to fight the Dominion, not the Borg. The Defiant (before the war) was designed to fight the Borg. That was explicitly stated to be such.
If you wish to believe the Sovereign was designed to fight the Borg, you're more than welcome to believe so. I however do not see any reason nor evidence to support your conclusion so shall continue to believe otherwise.
Yeah, you're probably right. Either that or the Warship with the other going into the Lobi Store. I'm not so sure about a Keldon though. They were limited enough in the series as it is. They'd be better off making it an optional upgrade to those who have the Galor.
:rolleyes: I thought you said you read the beginning of the thread?
...because one Mogai had one less wing than the other one, which was completely disabled. Shinzon took the Enterprise to the point where (he thought) Picard would surrender to save his crew (or something).
It'll be my last, don't worry.
The reason (if you were wondering) is that I actually started this one with a fully-fledged out proposal (ideas, reasons, explanations) etc. The other thread started out all up in the air (so to speak).
Whilst I too would like to play as a Cardassian over a Romulan, they're never going to give us a Cardassian faction before a Romulan one. Romulans will always be number #3.
First Post, Second Paragraph. Thanks.
Already have the ships, outfits, species.
Just need a starbase with the logos and were done
with romulan parts and designs for the systems listed
that is the in game ones
Well definately not Earth (both races are shoot on sight there still)
Cardassia has the best bet (would make a good subject race for either)
And why not?
is he a mouse??
I am talking about the Defiant Class vessel as seen in the shows and on the films (specifically ST:First Contact). There is nothing, what-so-ever in the design of the Defiant Class that is Romulan. It's all Starfleet.
Not all of them.
Both Tholians and Breen could meet on any number of M Class planets. Thus, it is possible for them to meet. There's always the viewscreen anyway.
No, not a mouse (if he was, he'd be a very clever mouse having been able to impregnate a woman to produce me). No, the reason my Dad doesn't like cats is cause they keep doing their business in our garden.
We saw many Excelsiors and Mirandas fighting in the war. If they were refitted similar to the Lakota, then they were very formidable warships in their own right.
Considering how many Miranda Class ships I saw get blown apart, I don't think 'formidable' is quite the word I'd use to describe them.
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We saw five get blown apart on screen. We saw more BOPS and Vor'chas get ripped to shreds, plus a few Akiras.
Anyway. Why not the Typhon Pact? It was secret for a period of time. Though, the Gorn do present a problem. Seeing as they're in the Klingon Empire now.
I wish they would have followed the books more to be honest.
"Second star on the right, and straight on till morning."
U.S.S. Weatherlight
we could always make a sto version of the typhon pact....
for example.. the federation and klingon empires have more or less pissed off every other faction out there... so the candidates could be...
Romulan Star Empire (or whats left of it - various reasons for joining)
Cardassian True Way (annoyed for various reasons)
Breen Confederacy (annoyed over the deferi missons)
Tholian Assembley (annoyed over the nukara prime and new romulas missions)
Terran Empire (Want to conquere the feds)
Hirogen Hunters ( Simply hunting fed/kdf targets as per their agreement with the tal'shair)
then species wise...
Romulan
Reman
Cardassian
Breen
Terran (aka Human)
Tholian (in a suit while dealing with the other races :P)
Hirogen
"Alien"
then ship wise... well... from the above factions we have more than enough to choose from :O
Too many unlikely species working together. That's the reason I don't like it. Whoever first wrote about it was just lazy and wanted to make one big enemy.
I wish they hadn't followed anything except Roddenberry Trek. ENT>TOS>TNG>DS9>VOY and the films.
They should have looked the other way where JJ's film was concerned. That way, we'd still have a Romulus and a higher probability of them as a third faction.
"Second star on the right, and straight on till morning."
U.S.S. Weatherlight
I propose we have an Undine faction. Seriously.
We could have the Gekli as a ship/species, having been successfully hunted/conquered.
Cryptic could create 2-3 other species 'native' to fluidic space.
We already have several maps that depict what fluidic space could look like, and it's awesome.
We don't have lockbox ships of Undine out, so there wouldn't be that complication. There isn't any other Undine equipment available, either.
Discuss.
Agreed. I don't worship at the altar of Roddenberry either. I give him credit as the guy who started it all, but a lot of his plot ideas/episode ideas were rather kookish, and likely would've sunk the series back in TNG had he been given a 100% free hand.
This fourm poster has voted undine... give him a medal :P
Unlock it at level 50..... Species... All we need is Undine.. not those silly gekli thingys :P
as seen in the foundry their armour is and size is customizable (sp ??? <<< I know thats spelt wrong) Ships we have one for each class... and a dreadnought :P
Yeah, end-game faction is all that's needed for Undine. I'd be happy with that, and would probably have a toon in the faction.
I'd love to see the kind of wicked traits and skills the Undine could have access to as a feature of their superior biology. Not to mention meleeing as an Undine on the ground, for those who somehow like ground content.
I like ground combat :P .... anyway... i'll post some screenies of some of the things you can do in the foundry with the undine...
Infant Undine
ITS A DINOSAUR UNDINE!!!!!
Red Armor Undine
Undine could be a lot of fun to play as. You could even have 'subspecies' of Undine!
Normal Undine: bruisers in ground combat... inherent regeneration and a toxic effect on their melee attacks.
Infiltrators: have a special ability to imitate a being they're fighting. this causes enemies of that faction to sometimes not attack them. This would change your character's look while active
Psi-masters: Undine with above average Psionic powers, they can use that mind blast attack
Borg Undine: Former Borg Undine, like the human and klingon counterparts, but these aren't necessarily beings who wer fully assimilated, maybe just beings who were "infected" with Borg tech and not actually assimilated.
My character Tsin'xing
Infiltration skill sounds fun :P You turn into whatever your current target is.. you can then run up behind them and.. PEW!
Warning: Vulcans, Betazoids & aliens with telepathic trait might see through your disguise :P
Oh and Letheans. They're telepaths too.
My character Tsin'xing
I think the Undine would see it as an abomination. Likewise to any unlucky offspring created by those sneaky infiltrators. ... Still it would be a twist if the "assimilated Undine" was still in control :P
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Wrist Blaster
Wrist Blade
Psi abilities
Space...
Antiproton-Plasma hybrid ? :S
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lol... turn friendly fire on.. and well... in a crowded situtation... BOOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kits powers.. lets try to turn them into Undine-ified skills :P
http://www.stowiki.org/Kit
Turrets... some kind of biological anti proton living turret ? :O
Mortar.. (same again except maybe it spits some form of acid ? )
Cover Shield.. (Undine holds up a vulcan to absorb incoming fire)
hell yeah, to hell with the romulans and cardassians, this would fit in a lot better.
A) it allows the devs to end the fed/kdf war so they can focus on the Iconions (obviously there will still be the odd pew pew now and then)
C) Gives the players something new to play with.
D) you have the terrasphere model.. we have a starbase for the Undine... plop it in the Pelia sector.
E) let the foundry authers take care of the pve stuff :P
My character Tsin'xing