While I don't have any particular dislike of a "misc." faction. I dislike the idea of it containing Romulans or Cardassians.
I don't want to simply play as a Romulan and fly a Warbird. I want to play as the Romulan Star Empire. Same with the Cardassian Union.
Yes, currently these factions are essentially toothless wolves. That doesn't need to stay. We can hae someone fill in the power vacuum left by Sela and return the RSE to its former glory.
Same with the CU. have the Obsidian Order reclaim power and return it to the militaristic empire it once was.
I am not saying these stories are easy or quick, but they are far from impossible.
A new story line is born
The Romulans have built (covertly over years) a Giant cloaked space station (think death star size)
it makes the vault look like a lock box
its Ship yards and docks are full of state of the art starships
its barracks flock with uniformed disciplined Romulan soldiers
At its heavily armoured core is the War room where the finest minds in the empire plan a campaign to retake Everything the Romulans lost
A series of stories come from this (leading to unlocking the Romulan faction)
New STF's with a Romulan story base (and NO Borg)
Which work both ways
(got some Great ideas)
Commando raid
An attack on a base by a select group of commandos (stealth specialists ideally) to secure a prototype Sensor array (which detects cloaked ships )
Imagine the reward for this is a consumable decloaker (one click no enemy ship can cloak or remain cloaked within 30 kms for 1 minute)
Assassination
A Small team is sent to ESD/First city/New Romulus to take out a target
this is an evasion mission if you are detected BEFORE the hit is made you fail
after you blast your way out
Neutral zone patrol (A PVP/STF ) patrol the neutral zone (without breaking the treaty) but deal with a small intrusion (npc) of unknown ships IF you enter the zone the pvp would kick in
Instead thinking about third faction, two words: Finish Klingons.
This x1000
I mean really, lets get the 2nd faction finished first before proposing another faction, and atm they cant even handle a 2nd faction, do why even bother a third.. you think the moaning of the remaining kdf is tiresome, try having another "fan race" get on the wagon.
"What no new ships for us", "No new content", "Why do the feds get all the content", "Ohh I really would love this new oufit for our race" list goes on.. trust me itll happen. Lets get the 2nd faction finished and see how once they are on par, how cryptic manages between two factions and if they can continue to bring more content to both sides, then maybe look at a third faction. This game needs alot more then just a new faction.
Star Trek: Typhon Pact is the series, but the Typhon Pact is announced in another book preceeding the series, as well as a few of the more recent DS9, TNG, and Titan books mentioning them.
What about an entirley new faction with completely new things?
Whilst that would be interesting (it'll be new, fresh etc) devs will need to come up with everything for that new faction. By using a current (and existing) one they've got the foundations already. They've got something to work with.
There's the Tzenkethi who are on par with the Federation, and have been fairly silent.
If I remember right, there was some issue with STO and the Tzenkethi. They were initially suppose to be allies of the Klingon Empire, but for some reason they weren't allowed, so they were renamed Ferasan and given a new name plus background.
I, personally, wish for the Typhon Pact. It's territory is huge, it has 6 members who are majoar players in the quadrant (Breen, Romulans, Tzenkethi, Cardassians, Gorn, and Tholians). I'm not sure if the Kinshaya are a major player. it sounds like they're new to the scene.
I've played actual multi faction games and yeah.... 3 factions is barely enough to be interesting.
Surely this would depend on how different those factions are? The problem with STO (at least at the moment) is that the majority of players are FED. If we went to four, five, six or even more factions, the playerbase would stretch out too far, and each faction would be too thin, thus when it came around to updates, you're either limited to what you can put into each faction, or you favor one over the others.
It was said earlier by someone else, STO should have launched with the Federation, Klingon and Romulan each fully playable. That would have made Star Trek. Those three are the founding factions of Trek.
I mean, great, OP, the third sounds good to you. But it leaves folks in the dust who want a ferengi merchant alliance, or whatever else.
Whilst it may work, I feel that all three factions need to intertwine. We need three factions that aren't on the best of terms with each other. A Ferengi Merchant faction is pretty much everybodies friend if they're paying enough.
I also have serious doubts that there are more folks wanting to play romulans than KDF. I'm not saying that out of anything like allegiance -- I just don't see the numbers.[/quote]I think there is a fanbase for the Romulans, and people would play them too. I suspect (if complete) more people would play the Klingons as well. As the game would have it, the Klingons aren't on the same level as the Federation, and quite simply, a lot of people can't be bothered with it. Why play with something that is half as good as something else?
A new story line is born
The Romulans have built (covertly over years) a Giant cloaked space station (think death star size) it makes the vault look like a lock box its Ship yards and docks are full of state of the art starships its barracks flock with uniformed disciplined Romulan soldiers
At its heavily armoured core is the War room where the finest minds in the empire plan a campaign to retake Everything the Romulans lost.
Instead thinking about third faction, two words: Finish Klingons.
Sorry for any mistakes, english isn't my primary language.
Your English (writing) isn't actually that bad. Your reading however, needs some work. I don't need people reminding me (and everyone else) about the state of the Klingon faction. I've asked people not to discuss it already. You're the third (or fourth) person that has brought it up now. :rolleyes:
I mean really, lets get the 2nd faction finished first before proposing another faction, and atm they cant even handle a 2nd faction, do why even bother a third.
Yet another person who apparently cannot read.
Go back to the original post, look at the second paragraph. See the part where it says "don't discuss Klingons"? Great. Now that we've got that out of the way, update your 'system' and continue.
A new story line is born
The Romulans have built (covertly over years) a Giant cloaked space station (think death star size) it makes the vault look like a lock box its Ship yards and docks are full of state of the art starships its barracks flock with uniformed disciplined Romulan soldiers
At its heavily armoured core is the War room where the finest minds in the empire plan a campaign to retake Everything the Romulans lost.
...and people say I'm crazy for my proposal.
Nope
you aren't crazy
Crazy is wearing your underpants on your head and a pencil up each nose and saying "wibble"
OR carrying an inflatable moose on the subway
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he specifically asked us not to get into Klingons
... .. . you mean to say you actually read the first post? I was beginning to think it not possible.
Of course
do you think I randomly answer posts ?
(thats the other guy )
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Originally Posted by f2pdrakron
Cate, have it, eat it.
Cake surely? I would, but I've eaten far too much these past few days.
Cate?
Very good actress but a little inedible
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Originally Posted by sollvax
Feds are bad guys to klingons
Klingons are bad guys to feds
this is the way things are ment to be
At least until the 29th? Century when the Klingon Empire is part of the Federation.
ah i have never believed that
the Federation part of the Empire possibly
but with all the time mess ups i doubt there will even be a federation in the 29th century
Because the quote button is malfunctioning for me, to the OP, it's approved by CBS, and has been used repeatedly by the devs for inspiration. There are ST: Titan influances, ST: Destiny influences, and a myriad of others.
STO is completely non-canon, the books are dubbed semi-canon continuations of the TNG/VOY/DS9 era. SO, it's a tough call, for me, to call them non-canon, especially in relation to this game.
Also, many of the newer printed materials are being considered completely canon.
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Ah yes, my mistake, thank you for the correction. Cryptic should have thrown the Tzenkethi into the Klingon faction though, saves making up an entirely new species. Wonder why they didn't...
but with all the time mess ups i doubt there will even be a federation in the 29th century
Heh, that's one of the things I don't like about some sci-fi shows and the way in which they handle time travel. The only show that's ever truly worked in that regard is Doctor Who.
OP, it's approved by CBS, and has been used repeatedly by the devs for inspiration. There are ST: Titan influances, ST: Destiny influences, and a myriad of others.
STO is completely non-canon, the books are dubbed semi-canon continuations of the TNG/VOY/DS9 era. SO, it's a tough call, for me, to call them non-canon, especially in relation to this game.
Well that's an eye opener. I just can't picture those six races working together. The Tholian least of all.
Originally Posted by sollvax
but with all the time mess ups i doubt there will even be a federation in the 29th century
Heh, that's one of the things I don't like about some sci-fi shows and the way in which they handle time travel. The only show that's ever truly worked in that regard is Doctor Who.
Think of it this way. All of those factions are smaller, and less powerful than the Federation, or Klingons, on their own. Seemingly they are pulled together after heavy losses to the Borg, the advent of successful implimentation of slipstream by the federation, and power imbalance in relation to the Khitiomer Alliance. All of them fear for their continued existance, so they all come together to get the slipstream engine, and to stand against the Federations power.
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"Second star on the right, and straight on till morning."
The Gorn are KDF
the Tholians HATE everyone who isn't at the boiling point of lead
The cardassians are pretty much busted
The Romulans are Strong enough to rise again
as to smaller
the Romulans ships are actually more powerful than starfleet ships
and starfleet after the Borg etc is seriously weakened
of course once the Borg are deleted everyone can rebuild
More powerful in numbers and resources. The Romulans aren't as prosperous, at any point, as the federation, or even the klingons. They don't have a lot of ships, they have few very large ships. Though, the D'deridex is mostly empty space. I would use the Mogai as the model for the Romulan fleet ship, and they are actually a little smaller than a federation Sovereign, and similar in size to a Vor'cha.
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Since the Feds and KDF are (for all intents and purposes) mutual enemies, wedging a third faction in there who is in it strictly for themselves (like the Feds and KDF) seems like it would muddle things up. What we need is another faction that is NOT in it for themselves.
We need balance. We need a Deferi/Hylasa alliance that aims to keep balance, taking sides only when the result of not doing so would be imbalance. Ferengi may be able to be a part of this, though it would require no small amount of creativity to emphasize their neutrality over their greed. Also, we don't know whether all the Undine are united in their crusade or if they might have groups (or even entire nations) who would sooner side with the Hylasa than their warmongering brothers.
And come on, you know you want to pimp out a Gekli.
the WARBIRD is the standard ship (and its more powerful than 90% of the ships in the federation)
The Romulans could right now hold the line against the federation
IF they were not weakened all to hell by federation plot armour
When did a Warbird and Federation ship ever actually do a toe-to-toe battle? The Sovereign is designed to stand up to the Borg. Compared to that, I think it could easily handle a Warbird.
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"Second star on the right, and straight on till morning."
When did a Warbird and Federation ship ever actually do a toe-to-toe battle? The Sovereign is designed to stand up to the Borg. Compared to that, I think it could easily handle a Warbird.
Couple of times in TNG
standing up to the borg??
My TOS enterprise can do that
remember the borg are WUSS factor 7
The Sovereign is not a match for the full power warbirds we see in missions one on one
and a full power warbird with a live player behind it ??
plasma torpedo spreads of a dozen torpedoes with no cool down??
Be afraid be VERY afraid
They are to the Hylasa, unless I completely misunderstood the episode with the Hylasa. Who's to say the Gekli aren't capable of using weapons? A person is organic and a gun is not, yet somehow people can use guns. And since the Deferi aren't poachers it makes sense that a Gekli would be down with having one as their pilot/symbiont. Don't be so closed-minded! Imagination!
(though I like the username if it is the reference I think it is... can I come aboard and chill with Gerard, Squee and Karn?)
(though I like the username if it is the reference I think it is... can I come aboard and chill with Gerard, Squee and Karn?)
It is! But I never filled out a crew with those guys as inspiration. I just thought the name was of the ship was epic. I may do something like that with my Eng alt, but not quite to that point on my alt.
But you may be right on that Hylasa thing. I did those missions so long ago, I think I forgot.
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I don't want to simply play as a Romulan and fly a Warbird. I want to play as the Romulan Star Empire. Same with the Cardassian Union.
Yes, currently these factions are essentially toothless wolves. That doesn't need to stay. We can hae someone fill in the power vacuum left by Sela and return the RSE to its former glory.
Same with the CU. have the Obsidian Order reclaim power and return it to the militaristic empire it once was.
I am not saying these stories are easy or quick, but they are far from impossible.
A new story line is born
The Romulans have built (covertly over years) a Giant cloaked space station (think death star size)
it makes the vault look like a lock box
its Ship yards and docks are full of state of the art starships
its barracks flock with uniformed disciplined Romulan soldiers
At its heavily armoured core is the War room where the finest minds in the empire plan a campaign to retake Everything the Romulans lost
A series of stories come from this (leading to unlocking the Romulan faction)
New STF's with a Romulan story base (and NO Borg)
Which work both ways
(got some Great ideas)
Commando raid
An attack on a base by a select group of commandos (stealth specialists ideally) to secure a prototype Sensor array (which detects cloaked ships )
Imagine the reward for this is a consumable decloaker (one click no enemy ship can cloak or remain cloaked within 30 kms for 1 minute)
Assassination
A Small team is sent to ESD/First city/New Romulus to take out a target
this is an evasion mission if you are detected BEFORE the hit is made you fail
after you blast your way out
Neutral zone patrol (A PVP/STF ) patrol the neutral zone (without breaking the treaty) but deal with a small intrusion (npc) of unknown ships IF you enter the zone the pvp would kick in
Again all just ideas
This x1000
I mean really, lets get the 2nd faction finished first before proposing another faction, and atm they cant even handle a 2nd faction, do why even bother a third.. you think the moaning of the remaining kdf is tiresome, try having another "fan race" get on the wagon.
"What no new ships for us", "No new content", "Why do the feds get all the content", "Ohh I really would love this new oufit for our race" list goes on.. trust me itll happen. Lets get the 2nd faction finished and see how once they are on par, how cryptic manages between two factions and if they can continue to bring more content to both sides, then maybe look at a third faction. This game needs alot more then just a new faction.
the cardassians are broken and can't
its not a "reset"
its a "rebirth"
and face it feds and klingons as allies basically ruined two entire series
Feds are bad guys to klingons
Klingons are bad guys to feds
this is the way things are ment to be
Whilst that would be interesting (it'll be new, fresh etc) devs will need to come up with everything for that new faction. By using a current (and existing) one they've got the foundations already. They've got something to work with.
If I remember right, there was some issue with STO and the Tzenkethi. They were initially suppose to be allies of the Klingon Empire, but for some reason they weren't allowed, so they were renamed Ferasan and given a new name plus background.
To be honest, this sounds a little over the top.
Surely this would depend on how different those factions are? The problem with STO (at least at the moment) is that the majority of players are FED. If we went to four, five, six or even more factions, the playerbase would stretch out too far, and each faction would be too thin, thus when it came around to updates, you're either limited to what you can put into each faction, or you favor one over the others.
It was said earlier by someone else, STO should have launched with the Federation, Klingon and Romulan each fully playable. That would have made Star Trek. Those three are the founding factions of Trek.
Fair enough.
Whilst it may work, I feel that all three factions need to intertwine. We need three factions that aren't on the best of terms with each other. A Ferengi Merchant faction is pretty much everybodies friend if they're paying enough.
I also have serious doubts that there are more folks wanting to play romulans than KDF. I'm not saying that out of anything like allegiance -- I just don't see the numbers.[/quote]I think there is a fanbase for the Romulans, and people would play them too. I suspect (if complete) more people would play the Klingons as well. As the game would have it, the Klingons aren't on the same level as the Federation, and quite simply, a lot of people can't be bothered with it. Why play with something that is half as good as something else?
...and people say I'm crazy for my proposal.
Your English (writing) isn't actually that bad. Your reading however, needs some work. I don't need people reminding me (and everyone else) about the state of the Klingon faction. I've asked people not to discuss it already. You're the third (or fourth) person that has brought it up now. :rolleyes:
... .. . you mean to say you actually read the first post? :eek: I was beginning to think it not possible.
Cake surely? I would, but I've eaten far too much these past few days.
Yet another person who apparently cannot read.
Go back to the original post, look at the second paragraph. See the part where it says "don't discuss Klingons"? Great. Now that we've got that out of the way, update your 'system' and continue.
At least until the 29th? Century when the Klingon Empire is part of the Federation. :P
Nope
you aren't crazy
Crazy is wearing your underpants on your head and a pencil up each nose and saying "wibble"
OR carrying an inflatable moose on the subway
Of course
do you think I randomly answer posts ?
(thats the other guy )
Cate?
Very good actress but a little inedible
ah i have never believed that
the Federation part of the Empire possibly
but with all the time mess ups i doubt there will even be a federation in the 29th century
STO is completely non-canon, the books are dubbed semi-canon continuations of the TNG/VOY/DS9 era. SO, it's a tough call, for me, to call them non-canon, especially in relation to this game.
Also, many of the newer printed materials are being considered completely canon.
"Second star on the right, and straight on till morning."
U.S.S. Weatherlight
"Second star on the right, and straight on till morning."
U.S.S. Weatherlight
My apologies.
Heh, that's one of the things I don't like about some sci-fi shows and the way in which they handle time travel. The only show that's ever truly worked in that regard is Doctor Who.
Well that's an eye opener. I just can't picture those six races working together. The Tholian least of all.
Quantum leap??
"Second star on the right, and straight on till morning."
U.S.S. Weatherlight
the Tholians HATE everyone who isn't at the boiling point of lead
The cardassians are pretty much busted
The Romulans are Strong enough to rise again
as to smaller
the Romulans ships are actually more powerful than starfleet ships
and starfleet after the Borg etc is seriously weakened
of course once the Borg are deleted everyone can rebuild
"Second star on the right, and straight on till morning."
U.S.S. Weatherlight
We need balance. We need a Deferi/Hylasa alliance that aims to keep balance, taking sides only when the result of not doing so would be imbalance. Ferengi may be able to be a part of this, though it would require no small amount of creativity to emphasize their neutrality over their greed. Also, we don't know whether all the Undine are united in their crusade or if they might have groups (or even entire nations) who would sooner side with the Hylasa than their warmongering brothers.
And come on, you know you want to pimp out a Gekli.
The Romulans could right now hold the line against the federation
IF they were not weakened all to hell by federation plot armour
imagine fifty Warbirds decloaking round ESD
"Second star on the right, and straight on till morning."
U.S.S. Weatherlight
"Second star on the right, and straight on till morning."
U.S.S. Weatherlight
That's what you think :P
"Second star on the right, and straight on till morning."
U.S.S. Weatherlight
Couple of times in TNG
standing up to the borg??
My TOS enterprise can do that
remember the borg are WUSS factor 7
The Sovereign is not a match for the full power warbirds we see in missions one on one
and a full power warbird with a live player behind it ??
plasma torpedo spreads of a dozen torpedoes with no cool down??
Be afraid be VERY afraid
But I'm talking canon, and I don't recall an all-out battle between the two.
"Second star on the right, and straight on till morning."
U.S.S. Weatherlight
They are to the Hylasa, unless I completely misunderstood the episode with the Hylasa. Who's to say the Gekli aren't capable of using weapons? A person is organic and a gun is not, yet somehow people can use guns. And since the Deferi aren't poachers it makes sense that a Gekli would be down with having one as their pilot/symbiont. Don't be so closed-minded! Imagination!
(though I like the username if it is the reference I think it is... can I come aboard and chill with Gerard, Squee and Karn?)
at least in one on one encounters
It is! But I never filled out a crew with those guys as inspiration. I just thought the name was of the ship was epic. I may do something like that with my Eng alt, but not quite to that point on my alt.
But you may be right on that Hylasa thing. I did those missions so long ago, I think I forgot.
"Second star on the right, and straight on till morning."
U.S.S. Weatherlight
Never noticed. Maybe I should go back and see with my Assault refit.
"Second star on the right, and straight on till morning."
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