I've played actual multi faction games and yeah.... 3 factions is barely enough to be interesting.
Surely this would depend on how different those factions are? The problem with STO (at least at the moment) is that the majority of players are FED. If we went to four, five, six or even more factions, the playerbase would stretch out too far, and each faction would be too thin, thus when it came around to updates, you're either limited to what you can put into each faction, or you favor one over the others.
they already do... But this gets into the question of how much a faction needs to be different. that's not easy to answer. In a heavily story driven game like STO, it's mostly the backstory behind why the faction is what they are and what they're trying to accomplish. Sure, you want a few unique ships and weapons, but that's really not too hard... the hard part is really establishing WHO the faction is.
Also you have to consider how much "uniqueness" is actually useful. Half the z-store ships don't really get used because they're low level and quite frankly useless at higher levels. It's part of why they changed the old inherent abilities to consoles. The PDS ability as an inherent part of the Thunderchild was cool.... as a commander. At higher levels it sucked. As a Console? That is useful. Even so, half the consoles from the Fed ships are not useful. Some have uses, but only a few are awesome enough for people to use them regularly. What does this have to do with Romulans as a playable faction? Well the point to this line of discussion is that giving a new faction "cool toys" that are largely useless isn't a good idea. On the other extreme are Bio-neural warheads.... yeesh... overkill much?
It was said earlier by someone else, STO should have launched with the Federation, Klingon and Romulan each fully playable. That would have made Star Trek. Those three are the founding factions of Trek.
True.. ish... but they probably couldn't have done that. KDF was nearly non-existent, adding a third was unrealistic at that point.
The Tzenkethi are lizardmen... very similar to Gorn.
People have trouble fighting the Romulans in-game? What the hecks the matter with those people?
But I'm talking canon, and I don't recall an all-out battle between [the Ent-D and a D'Deridex].
That's a good point, they engaged in torpedo measuring contests most of the time they faced each other...
But it is true that Romulans are one of the hardest enemies to fight in STO. I think that has to do with weapons though, Borg are a bit simplistic in their actual weapons.
Its not going back to "its former glory" because its very much pressing a reset button to everything that happened.
Also you do that and then what? The Romulan Star Empire is far from being a "toothless wolf", its just one that is fragmented with opposing views.
Also you do that and what? if you want to press that reset button so hard I will point out then the KDF will go back to being in good terms with the Federation, you cannot press it as hard we will be back to TOS staus-quo, that is not going to happen because you people also dont want to happen, what you want is having your cake (TNG Romulan Star Empire) and eat it too (TOS Klingon Empire).
Again with the reset buttons and one that completely invalidates DS9.
Needless to say, that is not going to happen ... oh I have to point out this, I seen someone argue that Star Trek just presents caricatures as species and I would have to agree, we usually have very stereotypical behavior to the point its just a caricatures however we seen there were efforts to go beyond that to show then as individuals so the very notion that all Klingons MUST act as their basic stereotype is plain ABSURD and also the very notion they should never, EVER change is even more.
If you think otherwise ... well if you are a American that I kindly ask you return back to the British Empire fold because CLEARLY you are not allowed to rebel and go your separate way.
Again.
Cate, have it, eat it.
Ok, first and formost, who said anything about a "reset" button. I am not proposing or in any way suggesting you invalidate everything that has come before.
Having the Cardassian Union be a major power in the quadrant doesn't mean forgetting everything that happened before. I means remobilizing their military (yes, I realize they are not suppose to do that, but they wouldn't be the first to break a treaty for their own purpose), Get themselves out from under Federation aid. This is all very doable in the current environment, No "reset" required.
As with the Romulan Star Empire. Again, No reset. Romulus isn't magically not blown up any more. Sela isn't magically not taken by the Iconians. It all happened. But have some senator or whatever consolidate all the warring factions. Centralize the government and Again build up the Military to where you have them as a Major power in the Quadrant.
Moving a Faction to a place where it is actually a faction and makes sense that it is Part of the overall politics in the galaxy is not the same as resetting.
Ok, first and formost, who said anything about a "reset" button. I am not proposing or in any way suggesting you invalidate everything that has come before.
Having the Cardassian Union be a major power in the quadrant doesn't mean forgetting everything that happened before. I means remobilizing their military (yes, I realize they are not suppose to do that, but they wouldn't be the first to break a treaty for their own purpose), Get themselves out from under Federation aid. This is all very doable in the current environment, No "reset" required.
As with the Romulan Star Empire. Again, No reset. Romulus isn't magically not blown up any more. Sela isn't magically not taken by the Iconians. It all happened. But have some senator or whatever consolidate all the warring factions. Centralize the government and Again build up the Military to where you have them as a Major power in the Quadrant.
Moving a Faction to a place where it is actually a faction and makes sense that it is Part of the overall politics in the galaxy is not the same as resetting.
Just to expound on this... the Romulans DO still have a formidable military, they just lack central leadership.
My 2 cents instead of a 3rd faction, how about a loose coalition of independents / separatists / mercenaries / freelancers who occasionally work together for their mutual benefit? Species selection could chosen the from any of the STO species in game such as:
Jem'hadar
Son'a - provide them with ketracel white (my personal favorite ship design )
Obsidian order cardassians
Tal Shiar operatives
Remans
etc...
The list is actually endless since they could draw from any of the star trek series for inspiration.
Think of all the independent worlds that exist that are not part of Starfleet or the Klingon Empire, all those little backwater trade lanes where the black market thrives and the law is what the most cunning can get away with :eek:
While probably harder to make a story for it would be interesting: ships, weapons, personnel could be more varied as there is no set "Founding Species" guidelines. Just another idea to kick around.
the Romulans ships are actually more powerful than starfleet ships
I don't know about this. The Deridex may be stronger than the Galaxy Class, sure, but I'd think the Sovereign stronger than the Mogai. There aren't a whole lot of comparisons though, that's the trouble. The Romulan only have a handful of ship designs (at least, that we've seen) and a lot of the Federation ships are smaller, for specific roles.
Think of the Sabre, Steamrunner, Norway etc; it's a fair bet that those ships are specifically used for times or war and sector defense (you wouldn't send a Sabre Class on an exploration mission, it just isn't built for it).
I would use the Mogai as the model for the Romulan fleet ship, and they are actually a little smaller than a federation Sovereign, and similar in size to a Vor'cha.
If 50 Warbirds decloaked around ESD, they'd be blown apart by Earth Defenses. In DS9 the Breen attacked Earth, and I bet that was a fleet of a few hundred. None of those ships returned.
The Sovereign is designed to stand up to the Borg.
It was? If your statement is true (source please) then it failed. x1 Sovereign vs x1 Cube. I can tell you now without even thinking about it that the Cube would win hands down. The Defiant was designed to fight the Borg, and look how well that went in First Contact. Failed.
Also you have to consider how much "uniqueness" is actually useful. Half the z-store ships don't really get used because they're low level and quite frankly useless at higher levels.
Is that not why they put those ships into fleet versions? So that the designs get some more use?
To be honest, they shouldn't charge for the ships. They should just charge for the console. That's what most of it is about anyway.
True.. ish... but they probably couldn't have done that. KDF was nearly non-existent, adding a third was unrealistic at that point.
That's only cause they rushed the release. If they'd planned properly, they could have achieved it. Started with a smaller Federation; they could have always expanded later.
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Quantum leap??
I never actually watched that, well... I did the odd episode, but it was that long ago.
lot of very sound science in some of it
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the Romulans ships are actually more powerful than starfleet ships
I don't know about this. The Deridex may be stronger than the Galaxy Class, sure, but I'd think the Sovereign stronger than the Mogai. There aren't a whole lot of comparisons though, that's the trouble. The Romulan only have a handful of ship designs (at least, that we've seen) and a lot of the Federation ships are smaller, for specific roles.
Id like a romulan faction to have limited ships
not hundreds
no uniform variations beyond those in game
minimal customisation
and ideally ships that can blitz the hell out of ANY existing ship one on one in pvp
Ie out DPS everyone
because the Romulans should be a faction you need brains to beat
Think of the Sabre, Steamrunner, Norway etc; it's a fair bet that those ships are specifically used for times or war and sector defense (you wouldn't send a Sabre Class on an exploration mission, it just isn't built for it).
I wouldn't send ANY of those anywhere
Cruisers is the way to go
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The Romulans could right now hold the line against the federation
Right now, they've got a job standing on their own. I hardly think they're in the position to take on Starfleet full on.
#after the rebirth of central command and of course the deletion of the Borg
they could easily do so
remember starfleets handicaps
1 depleted resources
2 ensigns in command of ships
3 VA's as far as the eye can see
4 Admiral Quinn
5 non standard issue ships being pressed into service
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imagine fifty Warbirds decloaking round ESD
If 50 Warbirds decloaked around ESD, they'd be blown apart by Earth Defenses. In DS9 the Breen attacked Earth, and I bet that was a fleet of a few hundred. None of those ships returned.
what earth defences?
also a dozen breen ships are no match for 1 warbird
and ESD is outside the range of earths defences
they decloak
fire
ESD disappears
The Quantum bombs rain down
Earth dies
Remember the Romulans don't want to conquer earth (like the mindless slaves of the borg or the Breen under Dominion orders) they want to zero it
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When did a Warbird and Federation ship ever actually do a toe-to-toe battle?
Message in a Bottle. Three Warbirds vs an Akira and two Defiants. The Starfleet ships seemed to be holding their own too.
That's a source for the Sovereign Class being designed to face the Borg.
"Heavily armed, the design philosophy for the Sovereign class was shaped by the discovery of the Borg. The Sovereign Project attempted to push the envelope as far as possible when it came to computer power, shielding, armament and systems capabilities. The Sovereign Class vessel combines the creature comforts associated with the larger Galaxy-class vessels with the tactical power of the new Prometheus Class. Two forward and Two aft rapid fire torpedo launch systems are coupled with twelve type-XII advanced phaser emitters. The type-XII phaser arrays are the most powerful phaser systems to be installed aboard a Federation Starship to date, capable of delivery crippling blows to enemy shields and armor. The only drawback to the Sovereign is its slightly slower warp drive engines, forcing the ship to struggle to keep up with the newer, Intrepid and Galaxy-class starships."
They used the tech manuals, the movies, and the magazine articles to create the page on this ship.
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A. Our Sources section lists the majority of the sources that we used in creating these specs, aside from one very important one... our heads. In reality, these specs are just great fiction, and are original works created by the members of our team. Not all of our team has a library of Star Trek books sitting in their room, but even then, only a relatively small amount of information can be squeezed even from the volumes of books and magazines termed "official" by Paramount. Granted, those with these sources on hand are often the ones who bring forth canon examples of particular ships, technologies, and history to the team's attention, it is everyone's artistic writing talent that is the main source that creates our specs.
BTW, there's a litte detail people seem to forget about this whole "designed to face the Borg" stuff...does it say anywhere that it was designed to face them alone?
Nope, no more that anything like this was stated about the "designed to fight the Borg" Defiant...which was crippled by a single Borg cube even though she was not facing one by herself either.
Isn't it more likely that "designed to face" means "it doesn't totally s**k at it"?
The Defiant all by itself was not designed to take down a Borg cube, it was envisioned that a fleet of Defiants would be the Borg killer. The designer of the Sovereign saw it as a replacement for the Excelsior rather than the Galaxy.
However, the Sovereign can take a beating whilst the Mogai cannot.
Did I say it was designed to face the Borg alone? No, I didn't. I said it was designed to stand up to the Borg, as in take a nice beating and keep on ticking. Just like the Defiant Class. Take a beating, keep on ticking, while still able to dish out the punishment.
It's not a fair assumption to think the Federation could field a ship (in universe, canon-like) that could take on a fully operational Borg capital ship like a Cube. For awhile none of their ships could take more than a couple hits. Then in The Battle of Sector-001, the Enterprise just shrugs off many of the initial blows against it.
Barring the Scimitars surprise attack, and cloaking ability, the Enterprise may have been able to stand toe-to-toe with that one for a bit as well. That last part however is opinion.
What's not opinion is that the Soverereign and Defiant are both of the same generation of ship design where the pre-eminent threat to the Federation is the Borg. What sense does it make to design a new battlecruiser for a secondary threat? Sorry man, but there is no logic in saying the Sovereign was designed to stand against anything but the Borg, primariliy.
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while it is a good idea.. honestly, the romulans and the cardassians would never unite under one flag... first off, they are split in half by federation space.. secondly, both factions are far to zenophobic to open their doors to eachother.. not to mention, the jemhadar and romulans didnt exactly leave off on good terms..
i dont see the vorta being apart of either faction either..
if cryptic would put the recources to it, i think they could pump out both factions seperatly at once.. to be honest, the engine that drives the game makes it very easy to add factions.. the hardest part would be adding skills and what not and new effects.. however, building a story line shouldnt be hard.. i know the klinks havnt gotten finished, and that would make peeps think its too hard, but its not.. the reason they are not finished is cause cryptics biggest problem is learning how to allocate resources. or allocating the lack there of.. lol...
i really dont care either way, as i would stay fed.. but that is my two cents..
Actually, I could see the Breen and Romulans uniting, as well as the Tholians. We don't really know much about the Breen and Tholians, honestly, and they could easily be molded into that federation/confederation.
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Alien #1 ... Not sure why but I can see these sneaky things working with/for the Romulans... that and they look like they can jump as high as the fed and kdf cats.
Breen.. I want to be a Breen so this is just my "want nowah!" comment
Tholian... meh would be interesting to have the opposite effect when regarding suits.
They formed an alliance in the books called the Typhon Pact. No, you didn't say anything about the Defiant taking a cube by itself.
From what we saw, I think that the Mogai has a different mission profile than the D'Deridex. The D'Deridex is more like a command station like a battleship, while we say the Mogai in a more fire-support role like a cruiser.
Some one suggested the 2nd Battle of Chin'toka, well that battle was one-sided due to the Breen energy dissipation weapon. The Breen took a heavy hit fighting at the Battle of Cardassia Prime.
I agree Syber, but the OP will just make another thread about his/her idea about the Romulan-Cardassian fusion faction in another new thread.
I agree, I want Alien #1 as well. They'd be interesting. Plus they have a neat ship design.
Ya know, the Romulans, Breen, and Cardassians uniting would border half of the federation. Depending on the location of the Tholians space, and whether or not the Kinshaya were brought into the game, the Federation would be entirely encircled by enemies.
Thats if we look to the books however.
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Yes but keep the factions split and use the best foundry content to fill the missions out. So borg, romulan get their own faction, as do (dominion + cardassian), + (breen and alien)
Each foundry mission has a checkbox for the creator where they have to opt in to making missions for these mini factions. Reward those who help the community with special uniforms and titles, skins etc, make it prestigious!
Alternatively have foundry missions that fit levels 1 - 10, 10 - 30, 30 - 40, 40 - 50. Then it is simply a matter of reviewing them (with the help of the player base). To make sure they offer the right rewads.
PVE Taken care of.
PVP - PVP missions are now
Your Faction vs (Any full faction).
Your Faction vs Your Faction.
Mixed Free for all vs Mixed Free for all (free for all optional to this idea, and the queue is a free option, not one of the three usual limit)
PVP wouldn't suffer longer queues as it'd pick the first ready side and pair you with the first ready side.
Hey, we all know that the laws of physics don't apply in ST :P
Mostly because they use non-existant materials in hull construction. For all we know, Borg ships are made of unobtanium that regenerates using nano-probes that use space dust and debris to replicate new patch materials.
Seriously though, it's possible the ship shields could absorb a ram from a ship. you'd have to get under those.
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Well... E=mc^2 is when the subject item isn't moving in relation to the observer (in the same reference frame). The actual equation is a bit different, but with a few assumptions that equation may be ablicable. But you're thinking of KE=1/2 mv^2.
E=mc^2 implies all the mass becomes energy, which is only really true in a m/am reaction.
Lets look at it this way. Warp 1 is 300 000 m/s. The mass of a Defiant class starship is 335 000 000 kg
So, Kinetic Energy (KE) = (1/2)(335 000 000)(300 000)^2
That's 15.075*10^18 Joules (engineering notation)
Now, surely, that would vaporize a lot of steel (I'm having trouble remembering my thermodynamics), but that doesn't mean a sufficiently large object, or a material with sufficient energy absorption ability (like water has for instance, but a lot larger of course) couldn't survive an impact from an object running at the speed of light.
There are a lot of factors in any case. Energy absorption, energy transference efficiency, relative velocities, and so on, that would go into determining the end result of a Borg Cube being warped into by a ship.
Anyway, its a large assumption to think that a fictional material couldn't be imagined that could take the force of such an impact. Your personal opinion of your own writing ability not withstanding.
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Well... E=mc^2 is when the subject item isn't moving in relation to the observer (in the same reference frame). The actual equation is a bit different, but with a few assumptions that equation may be ablicable. But you're thinking of KE=1/2 mv^2.
E=mc^2 implies all the mass becomes energy, which is only really true in a m/am reaction.
Lets look at it this way. Warp 1 is 300 000 m/s. The mass of a Defiant class starship is 335 000 000 kg
So, Kinetic Energy (KE) = (1/2)(335 000 000)(300 000)^2
That's 15.075^18 Joules (engineering notation)
I know (my own area is Engineering but the sort involving hydraulics)
Now, surely, that would vaporize a lot of steel (I'm having trouble remembering my thermodynamics), but that doesn't mean a sufficiently large object, or a material with sufficient energy absorption ability (like water has for instance, but a lot larger of course) couldn't survive an impact from an object running at the speed of light.
A borg cube hit at High warp becomes a spray of particles (fire a bullet at a rubics cube some time)
There are a lot of factors in any case. Energy absorption, energy transference efficiency, relative velocities, and so on, that would go into determining the end result of a Borg Cube being warped into by a ship.
well unless its moving AWAY at warp its toast
Anyway, its a large assumption to think that a fictional material couldn't be imagined that could take the force of such an impact. Your personal opinion of your own writing ability not withstanding.
the laws of physics overrule ALL writers good and bad
and I only claimed to be better than the destiny books (oh and pretty much anything written by Dan Brown)
no material can withstand a transluminal hit
nothing
because the micro bonds in the material won't hold
But this isn't the place for high energy physics , discussions of trans and sub luminal impacts or talking about the properties of impossible materials
Startrek has always played fast and loose with science (like the transporter for example)
and we will bore the hell out of people
But I do recomend the rubics cube /gunshot demo
it demonstrates it very well
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Also you have to consider how much "uniqueness" is actually useful. Half the z-store ships don't really get used because they're low level and quite frankly useless at higher levels. It's part of why they changed the old inherent abilities to consoles. The PDS ability as an inherent part of the Thunderchild was cool.... as a commander. At higher levels it sucked. As a Console? That is useful. Even so, half the consoles from the Fed ships are not useful. Some have uses, but only a few are awesome enough for people to use them regularly. What does this have to do with Romulans as a playable faction? Well the point to this line of discussion is that giving a new faction "cool toys" that are largely useless isn't a good idea. On the other extreme are Bio-neural warheads.... yeesh... overkill much? True.. ish... but they probably couldn't have done that. KDF was nearly non-existent, adding a third was unrealistic at that point.
The Tzenkethi are lizardmen... very similar to Gorn.
That's a good point, they engaged in torpedo measuring contests most of the time they faced each other...
But it is true that Romulans are one of the hardest enemies to fight in STO. I think that has to do with weapons though, Borg are a bit simplistic in their actual weapons.
My character Tsin'xing
Ok, first and formost, who said anything about a "reset" button. I am not proposing or in any way suggesting you invalidate everything that has come before.
Having the Cardassian Union be a major power in the quadrant doesn't mean forgetting everything that happened before. I means remobilizing their military (yes, I realize they are not suppose to do that, but they wouldn't be the first to break a treaty for their own purpose), Get themselves out from under Federation aid. This is all very doable in the current environment, No "reset" required.
As with the Romulan Star Empire. Again, No reset. Romulus isn't magically not blown up any more. Sela isn't magically not taken by the Iconians. It all happened. But have some senator or whatever consolidate all the warring factions. Centralize the government and Again build up the Military to where you have them as a Major power in the Quadrant.
Moving a Faction to a place where it is actually a faction and makes sense that it is Part of the overall politics in the galaxy is not the same as resetting.
My character Tsin'xing
renegade Vulcans / Andorians
Gorn separatists
Ferengi free traders
ex-syndicate Orions
etc....
Then add species specific to this faction.....
Jem'hadar
Son'a - provide them with ketracel white (my personal favorite ship design
Obsidian order cardassians
Tal Shiar operatives
Remans
etc...
The list is actually endless since they could draw from any of the star trek series for inspiration.
Think of all the independent worlds that exist that are not part of Starfleet or the Klingon Empire, all those little backwater trade lanes where the black market thrives and the law is what the most cunning can get away with :eek:
While probably harder to make a story for it would be interesting: ships, weapons, personnel could be more varied as there is no set "Founding Species" guidelines. Just another idea to kick around.
I don't know about this. The Deridex may be stronger than the Galaxy Class, sure, but I'd think the Sovereign stronger than the Mogai. There aren't a whole lot of comparisons though, that's the trouble. The Romulan only have a handful of ship designs (at least, that we've seen) and a lot of the Federation ships are smaller, for specific roles.
Think of the Sabre, Steamrunner, Norway etc; it's a fair bet that those ships are specifically used for times or war and sector defense (you wouldn't send a Sabre Class on an exploration mission, it just isn't built for it).
The Mogai is nearly as long as the Sovereign, though is about x3 the width. See: http://employees.csbsju.edu/rsorensen/modelcitizen/trekships/romulans/Nemesis_comparison.jpg
Right now, they've got a job standing on their own. I hardly think they're in the position to take on Starfleet full on.
If 50 Warbirds decloaked around ESD, they'd be blown apart by Earth Defenses. In DS9 the Breen attacked Earth, and I bet that was a fleet of a few hundred. None of those ships returned.
Message in a Bottle. Three Warbirds vs an Akira and two Defiants. The Starfleet ships seemed to be holding their own too.
It was? If your statement is true (source please) then it failed. x1 Sovereign vs x1 Cube. I can tell you now without even thinking about it that the Cube would win hands down. The Defiant was designed to fight the Borg, and look how well that went in First Contact. Failed.
Is that not why they put those ships into fleet versions? So that the designs get some more use?
To be honest, they shouldn't charge for the ships. They should just charge for the console. That's what most of it is about anyway.
That's only cause they rushed the release. If they'd planned properly, they could have achieved it. Started with a smaller Federation; they could have always expanded later.
lot of very sound science in some of it Id like a romulan faction to have limited ships
not hundreds
no uniform variations beyond those in game
minimal customisation
and ideally ships that can blitz the hell out of ANY existing ship one on one in pvp
Ie out DPS everyone
because the Romulans should be a faction you need brains to beat
I wouldn't send ANY of those anywhere
Cruisers is the way to go
#after the rebirth of central command and of course the deletion of the Borg
they could easily do so
remember starfleets handicaps
1 depleted resources
2 ensigns in command of ships
3 VA's as far as the eye can see
4 Admiral Quinn
5 non standard issue ships being pressed into service
what earth defences?
also a dozen breen ships are no match for 1 warbird
and ESD is outside the range of earths defences
they decloak
fire
ESD disappears
The Quantum bombs rain down
Earth dies
Remember the Romulans don't want to conquer earth (like the mindless slaves of the borg or the Breen under Dominion orders) they want to zero it
only because the defiant is a romulan ship itself
That's a source for the Sovereign Class being designed to face the Borg.
"Heavily armed, the design philosophy for the Sovereign class was shaped by the discovery of the Borg. The Sovereign Project attempted to push the envelope as far as possible when it came to computer power, shielding, armament and systems capabilities. The Sovereign Class vessel combines the creature comforts associated with the larger Galaxy-class vessels with the tactical power of the new Prometheus Class. Two forward and Two aft rapid fire torpedo launch systems are coupled with twelve type-XII advanced phaser emitters. The type-XII phaser arrays are the most powerful phaser systems to be installed aboard a Federation Starship to date, capable of delivery crippling blows to enemy shields and armor. The only drawback to the Sovereign is its slightly slower warp drive engines, forcing the ship to struggle to keep up with the newer, Intrepid and Galaxy-class starships."
They used the tech manuals, the movies, and the magazine articles to create the page on this ship.
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It's still just an RPG page with lots of made-up "specs" that are no less fan-fiction than anything you or I could come up with is.
http://techspecs.acalltoduty.com/information.html
BTW, there's a litte detail people seem to forget about this whole "designed to face the Borg" stuff...does it say anywhere that it was designed to face them alone?
Nope, no more that anything like this was stated about the "designed to fight the Borg" Defiant...which was crippled by a single Borg cube even though she was not facing one by herself either.
Isn't it more likely that "designed to face" means "it doesn't totally s**k at it"?
However, the Sovereign can take a beating whilst the Mogai cannot.
It's not a fair assumption to think the Federation could field a ship (in universe, canon-like) that could take on a fully operational Borg capital ship like a Cube. For awhile none of their ships could take more than a couple hits. Then in The Battle of Sector-001, the Enterprise just shrugs off many of the initial blows against it.
Barring the Scimitars surprise attack, and cloaking ability, the Enterprise may have been able to stand toe-to-toe with that one for a bit as well. That last part however is opinion.
What's not opinion is that the Soverereign and Defiant are both of the same generation of ship design where the pre-eminent threat to the Federation is the Borg. What sense does it make to design a new battlecruiser for a secondary threat? Sorry man, but there is no logic in saying the Sovereign was designed to stand against anything but the Borg, primariliy.
"Second star on the right, and straight on till morning."
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Ya, they are large ships (much larger than I thought, actually), but their survivability isn't all that great in comparison.
My conjecture, however, is that the Mogai were replacements for the D'deridex warbirds. Probably a more streamlined, efficient, design.
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The Breen at the second battle of Chin'toka say " lol wanna bet? "
i dont see the vorta being apart of either faction either..
if cryptic would put the recources to it, i think they could pump out both factions seperatly at once.. to be honest, the engine that drives the game makes it very easy to add factions.. the hardest part would be adding skills and what not and new effects.. however, building a story line shouldnt be hard.. i know the klinks havnt gotten finished, and that would make peeps think its too hard, but its not.. the reason they are not finished is cause cryptics biggest problem is learning how to allocate resources. or allocating the lack there of.. lol...
i really dont care either way, as i would stay fed.. but that is my two cents..
Actually, I could see the Breen and Romulans uniting, as well as the Tholians. We don't really know much about the Breen and Tholians, honestly, and they could easily be molded into that federation/confederation.
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U.S.S. Weatherlight
Romulan
Reman
Hirogen
Flaxian (Zen)
Alien #1 (Zen)
Breen (Zen)
Tholian (Zen)
Alien
Alien #1 ... Not sure why but I can see these sneaky things working with/for the Romulans... that and they look like they can jump as high as the fed and kdf cats.
Breen.. I want to be a Breen so this is just my "want nowah!" comment
Tholian... meh would be interesting to have the opposite effect when regarding suits.
From what we saw, I think that the Mogai has a different mission profile than the D'Deridex. The D'Deridex is more like a command station like a battleship, while we say the Mogai in a more fire-support role like a cruiser.
Some one suggested the 2nd Battle of Chin'toka, well that battle was one-sided due to the Breen energy dissipation weapon. The Breen took a heavy hit fighting at the Battle of Cardassia Prime.
I agree Syber, but the OP will just make another thread about his/her idea about the Romulan-Cardassian fusion faction in another new thread.
Ya know, the Romulans, Breen, and Cardassians uniting would border half of the federation. Depending on the location of the Tholians space, and whether or not the Kinshaya were brought into the game, the Federation would be entirely encircled by enemies.
Thats if we look to the books however.
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U.S.S. Weatherlight
Each foundry mission has a checkbox for the creator where they have to opt in to making missions for these mini factions. Reward those who help the community with special uniforms and titles, skins etc, make it prestigious!
Alternatively have foundry missions that fit levels 1 - 10, 10 - 30, 30 - 40, 40 - 50. Then it is simply a matter of reviewing them (with the help of the player base). To make sure they offer the right rewads.
PVE Taken care of.
PVP - PVP missions are now
Your Faction vs (Any full faction).
Your Faction vs Your Faction.
Mixed Free for all vs Mixed Free for all (free for all optional to this idea, and the queue is a free option, not one of the three usual limit)
PVP wouldn't suffer longer queues as it'd pick the first ready side and pair you with the first ready side.
Simple and easy.
Simple
Take a LARGE freighter hull
Armour it to the max
shield it heavily
Give it a polarised hull
Stuff the cargo hold with TNT
RAM them
Option two
Arm ANY standard ship with heavy projectile cannon and solid state Transluminal torpedos
Option three
Load a basic transport with flesh eating microbes and let them assimilate it
Option four Take any standard ship to warp through the cube (instantly destroys both ships)
Borg are terribly easy to exterminate
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U.S.S. Weatherlight
remember destiny is not only non canon its not even good fiction
remember the borg are totally unable to defend against pure impact
even a ram from a shuttle would do more damage than a quantum torpedo
Also microbes are Proven to destroy borg
frankly a ship load of angry rednecks with chainsaws would do it
borg are slow , stupid and vulnerable
Mostly because they use non-existant materials in hull construction. For all we know, Borg ships are made of unobtanium that regenerates using nano-probes that use space dust and debris to replicate new patch materials.
Seriously though, it's possible the ship shields could absorb a ram from a ship. you'd have to get under those.
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U.S.S. Weatherlight
Actually ramming ALWAYS passes shields
and unobtainium of course can't be taken to warp as it turns into blue cheese at 3/4 impulse or above
Nano probes do not survive a transluminal impact (nothing does)
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U.S.S. Weatherlight
And the laws of physics Trump the laws of fiction
Anything made of matter is destroyed by impact at transluminal speed
as E=mc2
(which actually it probably doesn't C should be V according to some scientists)
And lets face it writers have made up materials for eons
from the mystical "true silver" to the "vibranium"
E=mc^2 implies all the mass becomes energy, which is only really true in a m/am reaction.
Lets look at it this way. Warp 1 is 300 000 m/s. The mass of a Defiant class starship is 335 000 000 kg
So, Kinetic Energy (KE) = (1/2)(335 000 000)(300 000)^2
That's 15.075*10^18 Joules (engineering notation)
Now, surely, that would vaporize a lot of steel (I'm having trouble remembering my thermodynamics), but that doesn't mean a sufficiently large object, or a material with sufficient energy absorption ability (like water has for instance, but a lot larger of course) couldn't survive an impact from an object running at the speed of light.
There are a lot of factors in any case. Energy absorption, energy transference efficiency, relative velocities, and so on, that would go into determining the end result of a Borg Cube being warped into by a ship.
Anyway, its a large assumption to think that a fictional material couldn't be imagined that could take the force of such an impact. Your personal opinion of your own writing ability not withstanding.
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U.S.S. Weatherlight
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U.S.S. Weatherlight
I know (my own area is Engineering but the sort involving hydraulics)
A borg cube hit at High warp becomes a spray of particles (fire a bullet at a rubics cube some time)
well unless its moving AWAY at warp its toast
the laws of physics overrule ALL writers good and bad
and I only claimed to be better than the destiny books (oh and pretty much anything written by Dan Brown)
no material can withstand a transluminal hit
nothing
because the micro bonds in the material won't hold
But this isn't the place for high energy physics , discussions of trans and sub luminal impacts or talking about the properties of impossible materials
Startrek has always played fast and loose with science (like the transporter for example)
and we will bore the hell out of people
But I do recomend the rubics cube /gunshot demo
it demonstrates it very well
I was going to liken the analogy to a high velocity sniper bullet and a large block of wood, but honestly, have never seen that, lol.
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