Ha as I didn't knew it, I started converting all my prototype stuff last week and gona convert all my rare salvage also and maybe get some brog doffs and stock up on them from my EDC since they also get removed.
It looks like each piece you have is given a certain point value, all those pieces totalled up will give you a number which then converts to a specific reward box.
The nature of the system means there is no dynamic prize, the reward box is an item, and as an item is a static thing, so each reward box is granted for a range of points accumulated. Someone at cryptic had to sit down and create all these box versions, which seems like a giant waste of time, all because they don't want to give us what we earned right away.
What should have been done is a straight conversion with 3 reward types. Convert salvage to dilithium boxes, EDC to mark boxes, and techs to BNP boxes.
Of course people will still be pissed, and rightly so, it looks like anything above 50 EDCs and you are being totally screwed over. There is definitely going to be a dilithium cash in before S7 launches
Everything that has been communicated about season 7 fell somewhere between misleading and outright lies. I am frankly appalled by the whole thing.
Who in his right mind could think this whole cluster**** was a good idea to begin with?
Who in his right mind could think that "damage control" through deception and outright lies would work?
Really, I have utmost respect for the artists, but as far as the development team goes, I have absolutely NO respect left. And as far as the game goes. I now sincerely hope it dies, so that the license can be taken up by a competent development team. YOU are clearly not.
I will be converting everything into dilithium and then go on hibernation to season 8 earliest, to see if you will clean up this mess or shut the game down. I've had it with your antics and tendency to **** over the playerbase
I refer to this guy to describe the situation best.
So wait, let me get this straight you get this ridiculous conversion rate... and the only good thing is the Omega Marks... because that would allow you to progress quickly... *however* all this still gets locked up until you unlock tier 5, making Marks worthless or at least worth less as Dilithium converters than the current items?
Is this the case or have they removed the box being jailed until the end of Tier 5?
So wait, let me get this straight you get this ridiculous conversion rate... and the only good thing is the Omega Marks... because that would allow you to progress quickly... *however* all this still gets locked up until you unlock tier 5, making Marks worthless or at least worth less as Dilithium converters than the current items?
Is this the case or have they removed the box being jailed until the end of Tier 5?
Feel free to add your loot in this googledoc. I've added a dil conversion formula so you can see what you'd get now and then all you need to do is transfer to tribble and see what you'll get.
If you compare my 6 first toons you'll see how much I get screwed within my own account! Compare others and you'll get an even wider view.
I saw #18's post and he's got 2k edc yet has only 4k OM and 32k ore and that ore I could make in less than 1 hour, OM I'm sure I'll accumulate quicker than I can spend.
Someone could be 1 EDC off being in the next tier that's how badly you could get screwed and evne given the vast loot's of some you could earn that with no effort.
FACT: we are being screwed no question even more so than season 5 and unless Cryptic pull something out of their TRIBBLE I'll convert everything before this goes live.
Cryptic new slogan: the more you play the more we'll tax .
I think Cryptic's telling us not to play their game...
So wait, let me get this straight you get this ridiculous conversion rate... and the only good thing is the Omega Marks... because that would allow you to progress quickly... *however* all this still gets locked up until you unlock tier 5, making Marks worthless or at least worth less as Dilithium converters than the current items?
Is this the case or have they removed the box being jailed until the end of Tier 5?
They changed it so the crate is locked until T3 instead of T5
The discussion has become fairly irrelevant, barring a change in the conversion rate, the answer is clear. Convert to dilithium now. It is likely that there is a minimum, number (like 1 edc or something similar), that will be optimally profitable. But anything beyond that should be converted to Dilithium, and we should move on. If you wish continue find that minimum profit point.
Keep the data coming, I am putting it all into an Excel spreadsheet and will analyze it with a Discriminant Function Analysis (DFA) to look at where the group ?break? points are. Please only post in one thread. Right now I have 49 of your transfers in here and I can see the following pattern for the tiers:
Tier 1 - (4) 250 OM, 1 BNP, 0 Dil
Tier 2 - (2) 500 OM, 3 BNP, 0 Dil
Tier 3 - (1) 1000 OM, 5 BNP, 0 Dil
Tier 4 - (8) 1500 OM, 7 BNP, 1000 Dil
Tier 5 - (9) 2000 OM, 9 BNP, 2000 Dil
Tier 6 - (2) 2500 OM, 11 BNP, 3000 Dil
Tier 7 - (10) 3000 OM, 13 BNP, 4000 Dil
Tier 8 - (5) 3500 OM, 15 BNP, 8000 Dil
Tier 9 - (3) 4000 OM, 15 BNP, 16000 Dil
Tier 10 - (1) 4500 OM, 15 BNP, 24000 Dil
Tier 11 - (2) 5000 OM, 15 BNP, 32000 Dil Tier 12 - (0) 6000 OM, 15 BNP, 40000 Dil
Tier 13 - (1) 7000 OM, 15 BNP, 48000 Dil Tier 14 - (0) 8000 OM, 15 BNP, 56000 Dil
Tier 15 - (1) 9000 OM, 15, BNP, 64000 Dil
The numbers in parentheses are the number of reports for each tier and the bold ones are ones I suspect based on the progression but no one has turned in yet. It is possible at 5000 OM their progression changes to 1000 at a time but there are too few data points on the high end (I made that assumption). If that is the case and after 5k OM jump up by 1k interval and to match dilithium would increase in intervals of 8000 (basically 1 days refining). That seems the most logical progression. Now going on with this progression and assuming they treat all MK X, XI, and XII the same I can start looking at break points.
But we need more data and fast as it looks like S7 will be going live tomorrow!! So keep it coming!!
Righ now the DFA on the 49 results is not very powerful and is only classifying 67.3% of the data to the correct tier.
I suspect OM has incriments of 500 and ore 4k but as you go higher up there are fewer people to fill all the tiers.
I tried a scheme like that, but we will see as more people report, and btw thanks for posting your data in google docs...it helped out a great deal. Once we figure out the tiers and have a good sample size (10-15 per tier) I can produce a prediction equation where people can just input what they have to see what their results are.
That scheme looks like this:
Tier 1 - (4) 250 OM, 1 BNP, 0 Dil
Tier 2 - (2) 500 OM, 3 BNP, 0 Dil
Tier 3 - (1) 1000 OM, 5 BNP, 0 Dil
Tier 4 - (8) 1500 OM, 7 BNP, 1000 Dil
Tier 5 - (9) 2000 OM, 9 BNP, 2000 Dil
Tier 6 - (2) 2500 OM, 11 BNP, 3000 Dil
Tier 7 - (10) 3000 OM, 13 BNP, 4000 Dil
Tier 8 - (5) 3500 OM, 15 BNP, 8000 Dil
Tier 9 - (3) 4000 OM, 15 BNP, 16000 Dil
Tier 10 - (1) 4500 OM, 15 BNP, 24000 Dil
Tier 11 - (0) 5000 OM, 15 BNP, 32000 Dil
Tier 12 - (0) 5500 OM, 15 BNP, 36000 Dil
Tier 13 - (0) 6000 OM, 15 BNP, 40000 Dil
Tier 14 - (0) 6500 OM, 15 BNP, 44000 Dil
Tier 15 - (1) 7000 OM, 15 BNP, 48000 Dil
Tier 16 - (0) 7500 OM, 15 BNP, 52000 Dil
Tier 17 - (0) 8000 OM, 15 BNP, 56000 Dil
Tier 18 - (0) 8500 OM, 15 BNP, 60000 Dil
Tier 19 - (1) 9000 OM, 15, BNP, 64000 Dil
We don't really need any dilithium from the conversion process ,as we already got that from the runs we did directly.
A streight conversion to the new currencies for lack of a better word would be nice.
I understand sort of them not giving us enough Marks and Neural processors amd dilithium to streight buy a Mk XII piece for a proto tech. While that piece of loot can buy a Mk XII piece it was a bonus item, not the standard reward.
I get 2 EDCs from an Elite run minimum, dont count any bonus stuff.
A veteran piece is worth 40 EDC, by extension a Elite piece should be worth something like 80 EDC (they just chose not to allow that), so a Elite gear piece is worth 40 runs on Elite.
40 runs on Elite gives us 2400 Omega Marks and 40 Neural Processors under the new system.
Is that what we get from the conversion for 80 EDCs?
The closest on the spreadsheet I can see to those numbers is a Tier 5 conversion, but severely lacking in neural Processors.
I tried a scheme like that, but we will see as more people report, and btw thanks for posting your data in google docs...it helped out a great deal. Once we figure out the tiers and have a good sample size (10-15 per tier) I can produce a prediction equation where people can just input what they have to see what their results are.
That scheme looks like this:
Tier 1 - (4) 250 OM, 1 BNP, 0 Dil
Tier 2 - (2) 500 OM, 3 BNP, 0 Dil
Tier 3 - (1) 1000 OM, 5 BNP, 0 Dil
Tier 4 - (8) 1500 OM, 7 BNP, 1000 Dil
Tier 5 - (9) 2000 OM, 9 BNP, 2000 Dil
Tier 6 - (2) 2500 OM, 11 BNP, 3000 Dil
Tier 7 - (10) 3000 OM, 13 BNP, 4000 Dil
Tier 8 - (5) 3500 OM, 15 BNP, 8000 Dil
Tier 9 - (3) 4000 OM, 15 BNP, 16000 Dil
Tier 10 - (1) 4500 OM, 15 BNP, 24000 Dil
Tier 11 - (0) 5000 OM, 15 BNP, 32000 Dil
Tier 12 - (0) 5500 OM, 15 BNP, 36000 Dil
Tier 13 - (0) 6000 OM, 15 BNP, 40000 Dil
Tier 14 - (0) 6500 OM, 15 BNP, 44000 Dil
Tier 15 - (1) 7000 OM, 15 BNP, 48000 Dil
Tier 16 - (0) 7500 OM, 15 BNP, 52000 Dil
Tier 17 - (0) 8000 OM, 15 BNP, 56000 Dil
Tier 18 - (0) 8500 OM, 15 BNP, 60000 Dil
Tier 19 - (1) 9000 OM, 15, BNP, 64000 Dil
It takes a community effort to expose the shockwave that's about to hit so if everyone bands together and helps out we all benefit.
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As always, nothing you have is going to be taken from you.
Sets, consoles, weapons... none of all that goes away.
The nature of the system means there is no dynamic prize, the reward box is an item, and as an item is a static thing, so each reward box is granted for a range of points accumulated. Someone at cryptic had to sit down and create all these box versions, which seems like a giant waste of time, all because they don't want to give us what we earned right away.
What should have been done is a straight conversion with 3 reward types. Convert salvage to dilithium boxes, EDC to mark boxes, and techs to BNP boxes.
Of course people will still be pissed, and rightly so, it looks like anything above 50 EDCs and you are being totally screwed over. There is definitely going to be a dilithium cash in before S7 launches
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33 RBS
20 PBS
1 Rare Tech
=
1500 Marks
7 BNP
1000 Dil
.....
I'm wondering how much PBS is safe to convert to Dil and stay in that bin.
They really specialize in "Customer Service" it seems.
Everything that has been communicated about season 7 fell somewhere between misleading and outright lies. I am frankly appalled by the whole thing.
Who in his right mind could think this whole cluster**** was a good idea to begin with?
Who in his right mind could think that "damage control" through deception and outright lies would work?
Really, I have utmost respect for the artists, but as far as the development team goes, I have absolutely NO respect left. And as far as the game goes. I now sincerely hope it dies, so that the license can be taken up by a competent development team. YOU are clearly not.
I will be converting everything into dilithium and then go on hibernation to season 8 earliest, to see if you will clean up this mess or shut the game down. I've had it with your antics and tendency to **** over the playerbase
I refer to this guy to describe the situation best.
Is this the case or have they removed the box being jailed until the end of Tier 5?
#2311#2700#2316#2500
They changed it to T3.
Feel free to add your loot in this googledoc. I've added a dil conversion formula so you can see what you'd get now and then all you need to do is transfer to tribble and see what you'll get.
If you compare my 6 first toons you'll see how much I get screwed within my own account! Compare others and you'll get an even wider view.
I saw #18's post and he's got 2k edc yet has only 4k OM and 32k ore and that ore I could make in less than 1 hour, OM I'm sure I'll accumulate quicker than I can spend.
Someone could be 1 EDC off being in the next tier that's how badly you could get screwed and evne given the vast loot's of some you could earn that with no effort.
FACT: we are being screwed no question even more so than season 5 and unless Cryptic pull something out of their TRIBBLE I'll convert everything before this goes live.
Cryptic new slogan: the more you play the more we'll tax
I think Cryptic's telling us not to play their game...
They changed it so the crate is locked until T3 instead of T5
you really want us out of this game dont you??
so,we spend time playing your so called content,so just you come once a whille and harvest all we done??
players that dont play gets a boost and players that play gets the hammer??
wth logic is this??
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Is Marchob's data complete ? If so then 1 edc=1 proto salvage, which is an insane conversion by cryptic.
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Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
My point was to demonstrate that each loot doesn't appear to hold any value. It's based on a tier system so it could work a number of ways;
1 edc = 1 proto if you own 1-10 edc
2 edc = 1 proto if you own 11-20 edc
Or maybe it's based on a common dil ore in which case <50k ore = x:y:z loot and 50k< <100k is 2x:2y:2z.
Without knowing these details it's impossible to find a conversion.
Tier 1 - (4) 250 OM, 1 BNP, 0 Dil
Tier 2 - (2) 500 OM, 3 BNP, 0 Dil
Tier 3 - (1) 1000 OM, 5 BNP, 0 Dil
Tier 4 - (8) 1500 OM, 7 BNP, 1000 Dil
Tier 5 - (9) 2000 OM, 9 BNP, 2000 Dil
Tier 6 - (2) 2500 OM, 11 BNP, 3000 Dil
Tier 7 - (10) 3000 OM, 13 BNP, 4000 Dil
Tier 8 - (5) 3500 OM, 15 BNP, 8000 Dil
Tier 9 - (3) 4000 OM, 15 BNP, 16000 Dil
Tier 10 - (1) 4500 OM, 15 BNP, 24000 Dil
Tier 11 - (2) 5000 OM, 15 BNP, 32000 Dil
Tier 12 - (0) 6000 OM, 15 BNP, 40000 Dil
Tier 13 - (1) 7000 OM, 15 BNP, 48000 Dil
Tier 14 - (0) 8000 OM, 15 BNP, 56000 Dil
Tier 15 - (1) 9000 OM, 15, BNP, 64000 Dil
The numbers in parentheses are the number of reports for each tier and the bold ones are ones I suspect based on the progression but no one has turned in yet. It is possible at 5000 OM their progression changes to 1000 at a time but there are too few data points on the high end (I made that assumption). If that is the case and after 5k OM jump up by 1k interval and to match dilithium would increase in intervals of 8000 (basically 1 days refining). That seems the most logical progression. Now going on with this progression and assuming they treat all MK X, XI, and XII the same I can start looking at break points.
But we need more data and fast as it looks like S7 will be going live tomorrow!! So keep it coming!!
Righ now the DFA on the 49 results is not very powerful and is only classifying 67.3% of the data to the correct tier.
I tried a scheme like that, but we will see as more people report, and btw thanks for posting your data in google docs...it helped out a great deal. Once we figure out the tiers and have a good sample size (10-15 per tier) I can produce a prediction equation where people can just input what they have to see what their results are.
That scheme looks like this:
Tier 1 - (4) 250 OM, 1 BNP, 0 Dil
Tier 2 - (2) 500 OM, 3 BNP, 0 Dil
Tier 3 - (1) 1000 OM, 5 BNP, 0 Dil
Tier 4 - (8) 1500 OM, 7 BNP, 1000 Dil
Tier 5 - (9) 2000 OM, 9 BNP, 2000 Dil
Tier 6 - (2) 2500 OM, 11 BNP, 3000 Dil
Tier 7 - (10) 3000 OM, 13 BNP, 4000 Dil
Tier 8 - (5) 3500 OM, 15 BNP, 8000 Dil
Tier 9 - (3) 4000 OM, 15 BNP, 16000 Dil
Tier 10 - (1) 4500 OM, 15 BNP, 24000 Dil
Tier 11 - (0) 5000 OM, 15 BNP, 32000 Dil
Tier 12 - (0) 5500 OM, 15 BNP, 36000 Dil
Tier 13 - (0) 6000 OM, 15 BNP, 40000 Dil
Tier 14 - (0) 6500 OM, 15 BNP, 44000 Dil
Tier 15 - (1) 7000 OM, 15 BNP, 48000 Dil
Tier 16 - (0) 7500 OM, 15 BNP, 52000 Dil
Tier 17 - (0) 8000 OM, 15 BNP, 56000 Dil
Tier 18 - (0) 8500 OM, 15 BNP, 60000 Dil
Tier 19 - (1) 9000 OM, 15, BNP, 64000 Dil
Good to know... don't like it... but good to know.
A streight conversion to the new currencies for lack of a better word would be nice.
I understand sort of them not giving us enough Marks and Neural processors amd dilithium to streight buy a Mk XII piece for a proto tech. While that piece of loot can buy a Mk XII piece it was a bonus item, not the standard reward.
I get 2 EDCs from an Elite run minimum, dont count any bonus stuff.
A veteran piece is worth 40 EDC, by extension a Elite piece should be worth something like 80 EDC (they just chose not to allow that), so a Elite gear piece is worth 40 runs on Elite.
40 runs on Elite gives us 2400 Omega Marks and 40 Neural Processors under the new system.
Is that what we get from the conversion for 80 EDCs?
The closest on the spreadsheet I can see to those numbers is a Tier 5 conversion, but severely lacking in neural Processors.
It takes a community effort to expose the shockwave that's about to hit so if everyone bands together and helps out we all benefit.
121 x EDCs
7 x Proto Tech
48 x Rare Borg Salvage
40 x Proto Borg Salvage
or the equivalent of 171,648 Dilithium Ore.
Tribble:
3000 Omega Marks
13 Borg Neural Processors
4000 Dilithium Ore
:mad:
3x Rare Engine Tech
8x Rare Deflectors
4x Rare Armor
2x Rare PSG
2x Rare Weapon
108x EDC
99x Rare Salvage
77x Prototype Salvage
=> 3000 omega marks, 4000 Dil Ore, 13 BNP
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Antilles:
Loot:
- 6 EDC, 1 Rare Salvage
Converts to:- 250 Omega marks, 1 Neural Processor.
Rygo:Loot:
- 9 EDCs
Converts to:- 500 Omega marks, 3 Neural Processors.
Omega:Loot:
- 15 EDCs, 3 Rare Salvage (some Proto Tech turned in after transfer to TTS)
Converts to:- 1500 Omega Marks, 7 Neural Processors, and 1000 Di.
Illusion:Loot:
- 1 EDC
Converts to:Funny that 9 EDCs is worth as much as 1... >.>
4 edc =250 omega marks +1 bnp
8 edc + 1 Prototype shield = 1000 omega marks +5 bnp
38 edc + 2 prototype shield + 1 rare psg + 3 prototype salvage + 6 rare salvage = 1500 omega marks +7 bnp + 1000 dilithium
2 Proto engine
22 Proto Salvage
1 Proto Shield
1 Rare Deflector
4 Rare engines
26 Rare salvage
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3000 Omega marks
13 BNP
4000 Dilithium
Pretty shameful.