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  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    icegavel wrote: »
    My conversion, by character:
    Antilles:
    Loot:
    • 6 EDC, 1 Rare Salvage
    Converts to:
    • 250 Omega marks, 1 Neural Processor.
    Rygo:
    Loot:
    • 9 EDCs
    Converts to:
    • 500 Omega marks, 3 Neural Processors.
    Omega:
    Loot:
    • 15 EDCs, 3 Rare Salvage (some Proto Tech turned in after transfer to TTS)
    Converts to:
    • 1500 Omega Marks, 7 Neural Processors, and 1000 Di.
    Illusion:
    Loot:
    • 1 EDC
    Converts to:
    • 500 Omega marks, 3 Neural Processors.

    Funny that 9 EDCs is worth as much as 1... >.>
    The last one got more with just 1 EDC than the first one got with 6 EDCs and 1 rare salvage? Typo?
  • p52smithp52smith Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Character 1:
    EDCs - 5
    Rare Salvage - 16
    Common Tech - 4 (2 engine, 1 deflector, 1 shield)
    Rare Tech - 3 (2 engine, 1 shield)

    Omega Marks - 1500
    Borg Neural Processors - 7
    Dilithium Ore - 1000

    Character 2:
    EDCs - 89
    Rare Salvage - 24

    Omega Marks - 2000
    Borg Neural Processors - 9
    Dilithium Ore - 2000

    I'm reasonably happy with the marks having seen the first few projects on Tribble and the rate at which I can earn them through STFs, but the rest kinda leaves me a bit disappointed.
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  • vawlkusvawlkus Member Posts: 348 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Has anyone tried converting the Requisition forms over? I doubt it'll change anything, but it wouldn't hurt to test it.
  • weylandjuarezweylandjuarez Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    xantris wrote: »
    114 EDC
    2 Proto engine
    22 Proto Salvage
    1 Proto Shield
    1 Rare Deflector
    4 Rare engines
    26 Rare salvage

    ---

    3000 Omega marks
    13 BNP
    4000 Dilithium



    Pretty shameful.

    This is pretty interesting - I have 7 more EDC than you, 4 more Proto Tech, 18 more Proto Salvage and 14 more Rare Salvage (though no Rare Tech) and yet we both get the same?

    I'd like to know the minimum we can hold back to get the maximum return from the Omega Marks and the Neural Processors - the Dilithium is irrelevant.
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  • icegavelicegavel Member Posts: 991 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    warpangel wrote: »
    The last one got more with just 1 EDC than the first one got with 6 EDCs and 1 rare salvage? Typo?

    Nope. That last one got exactly what it says. He also got more than my Fed Sci, who had 9 EDCs.
  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    icegavel wrote: »
    Nope. That last one got exactly what it says. He also got more than my Fed Sci, who had 9 EDCs.
    Which means that either the conversion is based on more than just what items you have...or its bugged to hell.
  • icegavelicegavel Member Posts: 991 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    warpangel wrote: »
    Which means that either the conversion is based on more than just what items you have...or its bugged to hell.

    There was a post in this thread a few pages back that claimed that it's on a tier system. Effectively, if the amount of items you have falls into one ring on the dartboard Cryptic uses while blindfolded/drunk/both, you get X. If it falls into ANOTHER ring, however, you get Y. It's the dumbest way they could have possibly handled the conversion, short of simply deleting all of the items and leaving a troll face in your inventory. Why wasn't it on a per-item basis? Why do we need to be Tier 3 before we can use what we've already earned? And why, for the love of Q, are there no Omega mark rewards for Borg story missions?
  • dalnar83dalnar83 Member Posts: 2,420 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    I'm so glad I do not have stockpiles of resources and got lucky on my sets. Was once ripped when emblembs were converted...would suck to be ripped off again hehe.
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  • commodoreshrvkcommodoreshrvk Member Posts: 477 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Great job everyone, we are up to 75 data points and a 78.7% prediction rate, keep em coming!!!
  • latinumbarlatinumbar Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    169 EDCs
    3 proto salvage
    20 rare salvage
    3 rare tech
    1 common tech

    = 3000 omega marks, 13 BNP, 4000 dilithium



    218 EDC
    15 proto salvage
    5 rare salvage
    1 proto engine
    1 rare deflector

    = 3000 omega marks, 13 BNP, 4000 dilihtium


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  • darkenzedddarkenzedd Member Posts: 881
    edited November 2012
    icegavel wrote: »
    There was a post in this thread a few pages back that claimed that it's on a tier system. Effectively, if the amount of items you have falls into one ring on the dartboard Cryptic uses while blindfolded/drunk/both, you get X. If it falls into ANOTHER ring, however, you get Y. It's the dumbest way they could have possibly handled the conversion, short of simply deleting all of the items and leaving a troll face in your inventory. Why wasn't it on a per-item basis? Why do we need to be Tier 3 before we can use what we've already earned? And why, for the love of Q, are there no Omega mark rewards for Borg story missions?

    I don't have a troll face handy, but will this do? ;)


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  • icegavelicegavel Member Posts: 991 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    darkenzedd wrote: »
    I don't have a troll face handy, but will this do? ;)


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  • joenatljoenatl Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    I am not 100% sure this is correct, I did a few runs after transferring to tribble:

    4 - proto shield
    2 - proto defl
    1 - proto engine
    1 - proto armor

    6 - rare shield
    3 - rare engines
    1 - rare PSG
    8 - rare armor
    4 - rare weapon tech

    107 - proto salvage
    149 - Rare borg salvage
    405 - EDC


    4500 omega marks
    15 BNP
    24000 dilithium
  • hrisvalarhrisvalar Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    21 Prototype Salvage
    4 Prototype Tech
    65 Rare Salvage
    6 Rare Tech
    294 EDC
    3500 OM, 15 BNP, 8000 Dil

    15 Prototype Salvage
    1 Prototype Tech
    40 Rare Salvage
    5 Rare Tech
    160 EDC
    3000 OM, 13 BNP, 4000 Dil

    Posted these in the other thread, just thought I'd add them to the math monkeys' data pool.
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  • partizan81partizan81 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    joenatl wrote: »
    I am not 100% sure this is correct, I did a few runs after transferring to tribble:

    4 - proto shield
    2 - proto defl
    1 - proto engine
    1 - proto armor

    6 - rare shield
    3 - rare engines
    1 - rare PSG
    8 - rare armor
    4 - rare weapon tech

    107 - proto salvage
    149 - Rare borg salvage
    405 - EDC


    4500 omega marks
    15 BNP
    24000 dilithium

    That's obscene.
  • moo8emoo8e Member Posts: 80 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Character 1
    238 EDC, 29 VR Salvage, 61 Rare Salvage, 9 Very Rare Tech, 16 Rare Tech

    3500 OM
    15 BNP
    8000 Dil


    Character 2
    94 EDC, 5 VR Salvage, 14 Rare Salvage, 2 Very Rare Tech, 1 Rare Tech

    2000 OM
    9 BNP
    2000 Dil


    Character 3
    48 EDC, 15 VR Salvage, 17 Rare Salvage, 3 VR Tech, 5 Rare Tech

    2000 OM
    9 BNP
    2000 Dil


    Character 4
    47 EDC, 18 VR Salvage, 41 Rare Salvage, 1 VR Tech, 5 Rare Tech

    2000 OM
    9 BNP
    2000 Dil
  • mav75mav75 Member Posts: 113 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Character 1:
    - 11 EDCs
    - 1 Rare Salvage

    = 1000 Omega Marks, 5 BNPs

    Character 2:
    - 71 EDCs
    - 45 Rare Salvage
    - 19 Proto Salvage
    - 3 Rare Techs

    = 2000 Omega Marks, 9 BNPs and 2000 Dilithium

    Character 3:
    - 58 EDCs
    - 15 Proto Salvage
    - 38 Rare Salvage
    - 1 Proto Tech
    - 5 Rare Techs

    = 2500 Omega Marks, 11 BNPs and 3000 Dilithium
  • joenatljoenatl Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    partizan81 wrote: »
    That's obscene.

    What can I say, I'm a hoarder. Plus I was paranoid I would not have enough to buy the proto PSG, which I have never had drop, and you can see I have tried for it.
  • partizan81partizan81 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    joenatl wrote: »
    What can I say, I'm a hoarder. Plus I was paranoid I would not have enough to buy the proto PSG, which I have never had drop, and you can see I have tried for it.

    Sorry, I should have clarified. It's not obscene what you collected, it's obscene the rate of exchange for what you had. With the proto gear alone you're looking at well over 210k dilithium.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    well, here's a data point for you guys to use as a reference point.

    Drexela: (has done a few STFs, but did not have any EDCs or tech laying around)
    no crate...

    anyways... My hypothesis about why they do the teirs has less to do with wanting to rip people off and more to do with the mechanics of how the crates work. Basically, I think there are several sizes of crates and some sort of algorithm decides which size you get.
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  • obertheromulanobertheromulan Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Last STF pushed me over the edge:

    53EDCs, 5 Rare Borg Salvage, 47 Prototype Borg Salvage,
    1 Prototype Shield Tech, 1 Prototype Engine Tech, 1 Prototype Deflector Tech,
    1 Prototype Weapon Tech, 1 Prototype Armour Tech

    turned into

    2500 OM, 11 BNP, 3000 Dil

    (Before that I had 5 EDC less and no Prototype Armour Tech, and it got me the 2000/9/2000 box.)
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  • hramonehramone Member Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    ~330 marks
    9 proto tech
    ~50 proto salvage
    16 rare tech
    ~50 rare salvage

    and i got ... *drums* ...

    3500 marks
    15 neural processors
    8000 ore (<- wtf cryptic are you serious?)
  • joenatljoenatl Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    hramone wrote: »
    ~330 marks
    9 proto tech
    ~50 proto salvage
    16 rare tech
    ~50 rare salvage

    and i got ... *drums* ...

    3500 marks
    15 neural processors
    8000 ore (<- wtf cryptic are you serious?)

    See your close to what I had in edc, and got a 3rd of the dilithium, same NP, and 1k less omega.

    oh and I am re-transfering my toon to see if there is any change on a second round.
  • neok182neok182 Member Posts: 551 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    I don't understand what the hate is for the small amounts of dilithum.

    from the looks of it, reputation projects don't require dilithum anymore, and your going to get a lot through all the other events for your fleets and your own use.

    maybe i'm missing something here, just don't understand the hate.

    i didn't have much so i'm only looking at 1000 omega marks and 5 processors and no ore. i wasn't going to turn my stuff into dil since i figured the marks and processors will help me more (i don't really like elite much to be honest).
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  • weylandjuarezweylandjuarez Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    neok182 wrote: »
    I don't understand what the hate is for the small amounts of dilithum.

    from the looks of it, reputation projects don't require dilithum anymore, and your going to get a lot through all the other events for your fleets and your own use.

    maybe i'm missing something here, just don't understand the hate.

    i didn't have much so i'm only looking at 1000 omega marks and 5 processors and no ore. i wasn't going to turn my stuff into dil since i figured the marks and processors will help me more (i don't really like elite much to be honest).

    You're still going to have to pay dilithium for gear if you want it.

    And whilst yes, many players will have the Mk XII space and ground sets, most likely they'll want the 'Adapted' sets. And the new Borg sets (Mk XII) and quite possibly the Romulan stuff - this will all cost Dilithium - hundreds of thousands of Dilithium.
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  • darkenzedddarkenzedd Member Posts: 881
    edited November 2012
    You're still going to have to pay dilithium for gear if you want it.

    And whilst yes, many players will have the Mk XII space and ground sets, most likely they'll want the 'Adapted' sets. And the new Borg sets (Mk XII) and quite possibly the Romulan stuff - this will all cost Dilithium - hundreds of thousands of Dilithium.

    This ^^^

    You also need Borg Neural Processors at 10 per Mk12 item. Currently someone with 100's of edc's and 10's of prototech are getting 15 or so.

    In what sense is that even remotely fair?
  • partizan81partizan81 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    neok182 wrote: »
    I don't understand what the hate is for the small amounts of dilithum.

    from the looks of it, reputation projects don't require dilithum anymore, and your going to get a lot through all the other events for your fleets and your own use.

    maybe i'm missing something here, just don't understand the hate.

    i didn't have much so i'm only looking at 1000 omega marks and 5 processors and no ore. i wasn't going to turn my stuff into dil since i figured the marks and processors will help me more (i don't really like elite much to be honest).

    Fleet Base projects still require (copius amounts of) dilithium.
    Omega/Romulan stores still require dilithium.
    Dilithium store requires dilithium.

    When you can cash out 100 proto salvage for 230k dilithium today versus 8k on patch day, I'd say that's a fairly sizable reduction. If we were getting, say, a third of that amount in dilithium and some additional OM/BNPs, that'd be another ballgame. But right now as it stands, it seems like we're getting the pretty short end of a very long and girthy stick.
  • joenatljoenatl Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    plus in playing on tribble, the omega marks seem easy to come by if your gettting like 60 for one STF elite. 15 of the NP is only 15 runs of STF elite. The loot I have now is hundreds of runs being turned into 15.
  • obertheromulanobertheromulan Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Last STF pushed me over the edge:

    53EDCs, 5 Rare Borg Salvage, 47 Prototype Borg Salvage,
    1 Prototype Shield Tech, 1 Prototype Engine Tech, 1 Prototype Deflector Tech,
    1 Prototype Weapon Tech, 1 Prototype Armour Tech

    turned into

    2500 OM, 11 BNP, 3000 Dil

    (Before that I had 5 EDC less and no Prototype Armour Tech, and it got me the 2000/9/2000 box.)

    I just turned in the Armour Tech.
    Still getting 2500OM 11BNP 3000 Dil.

    Edit: That makes that
    53EDCs, 5 Rare Borg Salvage, 47 Prototype Borg Salvage,
    1 Prototype Shield Tech, 1 Prototype Engine Tech, 1 Prototype Deflector Tech,
    1 Prototype Weapon Tech
    =
    2500 OM, 11 BNP, 3000 Dil
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  • jackal1701apwjackal1701apw Member Posts: 669 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    So I cashed in about 250k worth of dilithium, but this is what I was left with... 6 more points for your record. I have included commodoreshrvk's "tier system":

    Charlie 1:
    404 EDC, 50 rare salvage, 10 proto salvage, 2 mk12 standard requisition
    => 3,500 OM, 15 BNP, 8k dil (tier 8)

    Charlie 2:
    187 EDC, 20 rare salvage, 10 proto salvage
    => 3,000 OM, 13 BNP, 4k dil (tier 7)

    Charlie 3:
    41 EDC, 20 rare salvage, 6 proto salvage, 1 mk12 standard requisition
    => 1,500 OM, 7 BNP, 1k dil (tier 4)

    Charlie 4:
    21 EDC, 20 rare salvage, 10 proto salvage
    => 1,500 OM, 7 BNP, 1k dil (tier 4)

    CGK:
    54 EDC, 20 rare salvage, 9 proto salvage
    => 2,000 OM, 9 BNP 2k dil (tier 5)

    Gul C:
    6 EDC, 10 rare salvage, 10 proto salvage
    => 1,500 OM, 7 BNP, 1k dil (tier 4)

    I hope these examples help...
    I would really like to know what the thresholds are between tier 4/5 and 6/7/8 as I think that is what I will aim for on my alts / mains.
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