i know all Sci ships only have 6 weapon slots... and that is one of the reasons i DO NOT LIKE sci ships...
the SCI commander slot is another thing i don't like and it looks to me like all 3 versions come with the same BOff layout?
with only 6 weapons and probably a low amount of TAC console slots, where is the DPS supposed to be coming from?
i can make that a super tank that will never die, but won't kill anything on it's own.
and i'm not a fan of those weird crowd control effects in space at all
i already skipped on the Wells class because it was a Sci Heavy ship.... and i'm starting to see that this one is Sci heavy too.
i expected a Tac/Sci/Eng choice like with the Odyssey but here are only 3 SCI variants.
and with 3 universal consoles ...the console slots won't matter much.
FOUR tac slots on the Aventine Variant:
Specific Class Stats (in addition to the base stats listed above)
* +10 Power to Auxiliary Systems, +5 Power to Weapon Systems
* Console Modifications: 4 Tactical, 2 Engineering, 4 Science
* Console ? Universal ? Quantum Field Focus Controller
Yeah -- it's gonna hit harder than any cruiser or science ship.
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The Wells doesn't have 40 Extra Features (ok, its really 6) that aren't bulkheads. Its big on the outside, but most of that space is being taken up by lots of sensitive equipment and not deck plating.
Everybody knows Future time ships are bigger on the inside... that's how you get thicker hull on that.
It has 10 Consoles so probably 2500-3000 ZEN, but after 2 years, they probably didn't bother adding a unique bridge. (Sound familiar <Regent>)
I think only lockbox ships come with a unique bridge included. The Odyssey was an exeption because it is the flagship. On variant will cost 2500zen, all three 5000.
Everybody knows Future time ships are bigger on the inside... that's how you get thicker hull on that.
What are you talking about? the ships insides are only bridges...
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Please more! MORE screenshots, bigger screenshots of all the variants. (Sorry. :P )
Well, visuals is certainly something I can't be critical about here, great you added both back and forward swept pylons.
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We Science captains have been needing a serious leg-up for almost 9 months. We haven't had a decent science vessel that could do more than support since the RSV (Wells doesn't count, as a LB ship). I for one as a SCI Captain, welcome this ship, and I will be buying the full pack. Don't complain about "OP". My current RSV build is a DEMON, and a serious upgrade like this is just what I and other SCI caps needed.
Agreed. Vesta Class, welcome to the family/arsenal/collection/fleet.
i did say ' may ' be toned down
if it doesnt , it doesnt , but i imagine there will be a lot of feedback from the testers
No way will they tone it down = SALES DISASTER - if you want something to sell you don't but out info on what the customer will be getting and then lower that - that is a sales strategy from a company which goes bankrupt.
In all cases if anything is change once you tell people what they are getting - when its for sale you tell them they are getting MORE - that's how you get big sales.
So if Cryptic does not want to have a sales disaster they won't lower any of the stats they have released - if anything they would increase something before launch - that's standard winning sales strategy 101.
Random question, won't make me any likelier to buy it, but just out of curiosity... Bridge?
Same here.
Don't mind spending some money on good ships, but I'd be much more inclined to spend the money if this ship came with a sweet bridge. Like the Odyssey.
Additionally, I wouldn't mind if it was JUST a bridge, like was done for the Temporal Science Vessel, with access to all the Duty Officers via one console. In my mind, that was just plain awesome!
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Vesta Line. Might we expect future trio's of Multimission Explorers in our future?
Are their any stats suggested yet for the Quantum Field Focus Phaser? I wondered how distinct it is from the Phaser Lance of the Galaxy-X.
I noted that the primary hull is slightly different on the Radamaker. Is there a difference in costume between Aventine and Vesta as well? I couldn't really tell from the pictures.
The Vesta has curved pylons while the Aventine has horizontal pylons. Those were the most obvious I could see from the images.
I don't believe it has a unique bridge. If I hear otherwise, I'll let you know in this thread.
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Given the price tag; and the fact this is SUPPOSED to be the newest/most advanced ship in Starfleet - it really SHOULD have a unique bridge; (one would think.)
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Can you use three aux phaser cannons, either one from each or multiple from reclaiming one of the ship?
Also, can other ships equip the aux phaser cannons?
as far as i can tell its the same as every other weapon that comes with a c-store or lockbox ship , in that its one of each kind per ship
but this also means other ships that can carry dual cannons should be able to use them , like the quads from the defiant refit
for the most advanced ship in the sto fed fleet is it not a low hull strenth ?
It does have the super-nigh-invulnerable ship shields (Yes, you will not be able to return fire when using them, but hey, you won't blow up either ).
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as far as i can tell its the same as every other weapon that comes with a c-store or lockbox ship , in that its one of each kind per ship
but this also means other ships that can carry dual cannons should be able to use them , like the quads from the defiant refit
Yeah. But my interest here is whether each ship, having a separate price tag, counts as a separate unique cannon or whether all three have the same one.
If it's three separate aux cannons that are individually unique equip, it's worth getting all three ships for a special build. Otherwise, it seems of questionable use since you can't have all of your forward weapons using aux power.
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FOUR tac slots on the Aventine Variant:
Specific Class Stats (in addition to the base stats listed above)
* +10 Power to Auxiliary Systems, +5 Power to Weapon Systems
* Console Modifications: 4 Tactical, 2 Engineering, 4 Science
* Console ? Universal ? Quantum Field Focus Controller
Yeah -- it's gonna hit harder than any cruiser or science ship.
Please enable us to buy a token with Zen to faction change a 25th Century FED to a TOS FED.
Everybody knows Future time ships are bigger on the inside... that's how you get thicker hull on that.
I think only lockbox ships come with a unique bridge included. The Odyssey was an exeption because it is the flagship. On variant will cost 2500zen, all three 5000.
What are you talking about? the ships insides are only bridges...
Please enable us to buy a token with Zen to faction change a 25th Century FED to a TOS FED.
Please more! MORE screenshots, bigger screenshots of all the variants. (Sorry. :P )
Well, visuals is certainly something I can't be critical about here, great you added both back and forward swept pylons.
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
Agreed. Vesta Class, welcome to the family/arsenal/collection/fleet.
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Since the Regent is literally my ship (she was born from my DTNE Entry), I'll throw up a Bridge Layout proposal for her.
be interested to see that
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Not price gouging, balance.
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Yeah... the rest is obviously hull and the big Honkin Omega 13 room in the bowels of the ship!
No way will they tone it down = SALES DISASTER - if you want something to sell you don't but out info on what the customer will be getting and then lower that - that is a sales strategy from a company which goes bankrupt.
In all cases if anything is change once you tell people what they are getting - when its for sale you tell them they are getting MORE - that's how you get big sales.
So if Cryptic does not want to have a sales disaster they won't lower any of the stats they have released - if anything they would increase something before launch - that's standard winning sales strategy 101.
Same here.
Don't mind spending some money on good ships, but I'd be much more inclined to spend the money if this ship came with a sweet bridge. Like the Odyssey.
Additionally, I wouldn't mind if it was JUST a bridge, like was done for the Temporal Science Vessel, with access to all the Duty Officers via one console. In my mind, that was just plain awesome!
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I'm thinking maybe pancakes." ~ John Casey
The Vesta has curved pylons while the Aventine has horizontal pylons. Those were the most obvious I could see from the images.
Any chance of some more shots of these ships?
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which is a shame , since theres already one designed for her
http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=147672
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DOH! Sorry =P Adam created the variants, maybe he will post something soon.
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sorry but still not good enough as you cannot see much detail :rolleyes: , and also i wont use twitter or facebook
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Given the price tag; and the fact this is SUPPOSED to be the newest/most advanced ship in Starfleet - it really SHOULD have a unique bridge; (one would think.)
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for the most advanced ship in the sto fed fleet is it not a low hull strenth ?
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Does each include an aux phaser cannon?
Can you use three aux phaser cannons, either one from each or multiple from reclaiming one of the ship?
Also, can other ships equip the aux phaser cannons?
as far as i can tell its the same as every other weapon that comes with a c-store or lockbox ship , in that its one of each kind per ship
but this also means other ships that can carry dual cannons should be able to use them , like the quads from the defiant refit
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It does have the super-nigh-invulnerable ship shields (Yes, you will not be able to return fire when using them, but hey, you won't blow up either
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Yeah. But my interest here is whether each ship, having a separate price tag, counts as a separate unique cannon or whether all three have the same one.
If it's three separate aux cannons that are individually unique equip, it's worth getting all three ships for a special build. Otherwise, it seems of questionable use since you can't have all of your forward weapons using aux power.
So instead of blowing up, respawing and being back in place with full hull and shields you will - after the bubble goes down - blow up 20 sec later.
That is awesome.
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