It is easy, it was even easy before they started amping up the rates. What people consider "hard" is usually novice level difficulty to an experienced gamer.
"I just got my first proto tech drop on ground a few days ago".... then clearly you weren't playing it often enough to get proto techs with frequency. Why does everyone want everything in 10 games or less?
As for the reputation system, what is so great about it? it is a sinkhole. Example You have a counterfeit rolex, if I say putting in a few hundred dollars into the trash can get you a better Replica counterfeit Rolex with your name engraved in it, would you do it?
If it's so easy then where is my fragging MK XII MACO set?
I routinely get the optional on ALL of the elite STFs when teamed with competent members of my fleet, so the STFs aren't really all that hard.
Getting the gear, though, is not easy because it's luck based (by the same token you could argue it isn't hard either, but either way, it is bull****).
If it's so easy then where is my fragging MK XII MACO set?
I routinely get the optional on ALL of the elite STFs when teamed with competent members of my fleet, so the STFs aren't really all that hard.
Getting the gear, though, is not easy because it's luck based (by the same token you could argue it isn't hard either, but either way, it is bull****).
Then I recommend you play them more than just once a month, maybe you'll see more drops.
Then I recommend you play them more, than just once a month, maybe you'll see more drops.
If that's a joke, it's not very funny.
I play each STF multiple times a week, and there were a few months that I was playing each one multiple times per day most days of the week. In all that time, I have gotten 3 prototype tech drops (2 space, 1 ground).
Playing more doesn't change the fact that the current system is luck based meaning reward is not actually proportional to effort (again I have taken newbies through an STF and seen them get a drop right away, ie. MY effort has rewarded somebody else)
I play each STF multiple times a week, and there were a few months that I was playing each one multiple times per day most days of the week. In all that time, I have gotten 3 prototype tech drops (2 space, 1 ground).
Playing more doesn't change the fact that the current system is luck based meaning reward is not actually proportional to effort (again I have taken newbies through an STF and seen them get a drop right away, ie. MY effort has rewarded somebody else)
It is lucky when you get 2 tech drops in only 2 games, it is NOT lucky that you get 1 drop in 15. It was bound to happen, you know why? Because the drop rates ARE high enough to guarantee that you will complete all sets.
and I think you aren't being very honest with the recollection of your time spent doing Elite STFs. If you are, then they are normal stfs or STFs that fail.
And worst, there are no conversion tables ... it seems by the way I read things is things are going to be handled individually for each player that means whatever happens you will only find out when you reached Tier 5, that is too late to complain or do anything about it.
When put THIS way it seems like someone needs to get a call from the BBB.
If it's so easy then where is my fragging MK XII MACO set?
I routinely get the optional on ALL of the elite STFs when teamed with competent members of my fleet, so the STFs aren't really all that hard.
Getting the gear, though, is not easy because it's luck based (by the same token you could argue it isn't hard either, but either way, it is bull****).
I agree. I went back over the stuff my chars have collected from doing STFs and have concluded that out of ~30 STFs I've gotten a tech drop one. and that was a green tech...
I agree. I went back over the stuff my chars have collected from doing STFs and have concluded that out of ~30 STFs I've gotten a tech drop one. and that was a green tech...
Lol I did my first ground ESTF today with my Engi in Mk X MACO (bought using EDC gathered from Space runs)
Did IGE, got the Proto PSG straight away, no waiting 60-90 days
I plan to have the lot before this joke of an update comes out. At least that way I won't be spending Dilithium on items that used to be free. :cool:
I advocated using EDC to purchase Mk XII gear, which was the easiest solution and didn't drain peoples Dilithium, why didn't they implement that? we all know why
I wish people would stop being deluded, the primary goal of the changes to the STF's was not to remove luck and make sure everyone got their gear (That was just a bi-product of their aim), it was to ensure that STF's would be time gated and rebooted to keep people going until S8 (when a lot of new content should arrive) and also to create another set of dilithium sinks to fuel Zen sales.
Stahl I must say I dislike this idea. right now the biggest reason I play STF's is for dilithium, taking that away will make STF's ghost towns. Also, in fleet actions dps is key. So unless you're a tac in an escort you have no chance of earning gold of silver. It severely hinders those of us who play support roles such as tanks and healers. I don't mind the Fleet action changes, but I think that STF dilithium needs to stay where it is.
..God i agree stf is just worthless now after this who the hell cares about the 50..to 500 turn in is that a joke? One stf with the right luck right now could net you 4,000 plus dilithium with turn ins. This is why people play stf not for the stupid borg gear....we do it for the dilithium. I dont want to play 10 fleet actions grind over and over and ****ing over for the same dilithium. you guys broke it you had a perfect reward system now you will see a dramatic loss in your consumer base a i have yet to see one single and i mean ONE SINGLE posative response to this move.
Just wondering if anyone knows for certain if the Assimilated Module will retain it's individual piece bonus once S7 removes it from the current Borg space set ? I could care less about the set bonus as I only use it for it's individual piece bonus, the blog says it's stats will remain unchanged, but I'd like to hear from someone thats actually used it's S7 incarnation on tribble.
The current version on Tribble is still the current version, it hasn't been updated. That is -- the one I have on tribble is still the same. Unless there is some bug that means mine is still the old one, this means they haven't rolled that part out to Tribble yet.
I should also note, they haven't implemented the salvage conversion yet as far as I can tell -- my toons all still have their various piles of proto/rare tech and EDCs sitting in their banks.
so i have a question: i have now 100 borg data chips. And full Maco/Omega/honor guard - sets and all my weapons are MK XII. when season 7 hits. everything is gone from my ships included the 100 data chips? and i have to grind again to a Tier 5 something, so i can use it again?
is what i understand, correct?
so i have a question: i have now 100 borg data chips. And full Maco/Omega/honor guard - sets and all my weapons are MK XII. when season 7 hits. everything is gone from my ships included the 100 data chips? and i have to grind again to a Tier 5 something, so i can use it again?
is what i understand, correct?
You keep your purchased gear, but your EDC,salvage and requisitions get converted and locked up till you hit T5 in the rep system.
loving the complaints tbh from what i can tell they may have screwed this up, but the way you need to think about it is that if they have messed it up that bvad, then they will be forced to fix it. and if enough people are going to complain then they'll probably just return it to how it is now.
loving the complaints tbh from what i can tell they may have screwed this up, but the way you need to think about it is that if they have messed it up that bvad, then they will be forced to fix it. and if enough people are going to complain then they'll probably just return it to how it is now.
You and Mark are here, to glorify Cryptic to the point of heavy contention. Which is why you two are usually on the unfavorable side of an argument when compared in tandem with the majority. Leave it to me to defend the majority in this instance, but there is a point to be had here.
We just want this "gouge your fellow user" on the premise that "there is no bounds of reason, pinch every penny", ideology to stop.
You can call us fanboys all you want, but that doesn't make us so :rolleyes: It's just baseless speculation, in your own words. Just because we agree with a few of Cryptic's choices doesn't mean we agree with all of them (also similiar to what you said to me)
These 'issues' aren't issues in the first place, not to me... nothing Cryptic or PWE has done has really crossed a line for me
I haven't got a beef with Cryptic, or a line to cross, simply put. I got burned in the Emblem conversion (15 away from a ship; had to start over), but got over it. And liked everything that came in-game, and is coming in-game
I defend them because I like Cryptic and STO, because I hate when something I like is attacked. I think I'm only legitimately a 'content' fanboy if I defended them against all logic and hatred, against all opinions, against all issues... I think you see where this is going.
But if you did your research, you'd see I haven't fulfilled that requirement The reason why is because I prefer to play the game, and help out on these forums, not fight every single criticism... so in that case, your logic is flawed, imo
Was named Trek17.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
You can call us fanboys all you want, but that doesn't make us so :rolleyes: It's just baseless speculation, in your own words. Just because we agree with a few of Cryptic's choices doesn't mean we agree with all of them (also similiar to what you said to me)
These 'issues' aren't issues in the first place, not to me... nothing Cryptic or PWE has done has really crossed a line for me
I haven't got a beef with Cryptic, or a line to cross, simply put. I got burned in the Emblem conversion (15 away from a ship; had to start over), but got over it. And liked everything that came in-game, and is coming in-game
I defend them because I like Cryptic and STO, because I hate when something I like is attacked. I think I'm only legitimately a 'content' fanboy if I defended them against all logic and hatred, against all opinions, against all issues... I think you see where this is going.
But if you did your research, you'd see I haven't fulfilled that requirement The reason why is because I prefer to play the game, and help out on these forums, not fight every single criticism... so in that case, your logic is flawed, imo
Agreed. I prefer to play the game than fantasize about what I want it to be.
I haven't got a beef with Cryptic, or a line to cross, simply put. I got burned in the Emblem conversion (15 away from a ship; had to start over), but got over it. And liked everything that came in-game, and is coming in-game
Is there a "bridge too far" for you? Can they TRIBBLE you in some way that won't let you forgive and forget? One thing about this you may want to consider, being able to forgive is a valuable tool when it comes to maintaining your sanity with family and friends. I know this firsthand. However, our relationship with Cryptic/PWE is strictly commercial.
Now, if you really mean what you say, that you've liked everything so far as well as what's coming (How can you "like" what you haven't experienced in any meaningful way?), why are you posting in this thread? Based on what you've said only, the reason can only be that you're acting as an "agent of chaos," trying to rile posters up to detract from the heartfelt concerns being expressed.
But isn't that what this thread is for, supplying Cryptic with input?
Is there a "bridge too far" for you? Can they TRIBBLE you in some way that won't let you forgive and forget? One thing about this you may want to consider, being able to forgive is a valuable tool when it comes to maintaining your sanity with family and friends. I know this firsthand. However, our relationship with Cryptic/PWE is strictly commercial.
Now, if you really mean what you say, that you've liked everything so far as well as what's coming (How can you "like" what you haven't experienced in any meaningful way?), why are you posting in this thread? Based on what you've said only, the reason can only be that you're acting as an "agent of chaos," trying to rile posters up to detract from the heartfelt concerns being expressed.
But isn't that what this thread is for, supplying Cryptic with input?
If there is one, I haven't found it yet lol.
And like I said in that post, I like Cryptic and STO, and I hate when something I like is attacked (or criticized, whatever you prefer). A lot of what mewi said struck that chord for me, and... well, couldn't quite help myself. A weakness of mine.
But it's not my intention to rile up posters (there are much better uses of my time); I was simply stating my opinion to mewi.
Was named Trek17.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
And like I said in that post, I like Cryptic and STO, and I hate when something I like is attacked (or criticized, whatever you prefer). A lot of what mewi said struck that chord for me, and... well, couldn't quite help myself. A weakness of mine.
But it's not my intention to rile up posters (there are much better uses of my time); I was simply stating my opinion to mewi.
Come on guys almost at 100 pages - are you sure that you could keep this quasi-flame war going at least 4 more to make it 100?
the only reason i have any maco stuff and borg stuff at all is because of the dilithium the stf provides and if they want people more interested in the reputation system is to provide MORE delithium in stfs not less then it be worth even a little bit of time at least
and I think you aren't being very honest with the recollection of your time spent doing Elite STFs. If you are, then they are normal stfs or STFs that fail.
and I think you are ignoring the facts presented and calling people liars because you want to believe Cryptic is a horrible company and want to stick to the current system so much you won't listed to the other side.
I wish people would stop being deluded, the primary goal of the changes to the STF's was not to remove luck and make sure everyone got their gear (That was just a bi-product of their aim), it was to ensure that STF's would be time gated and rebooted to keep people going until S8 (when a lot of new content should arrive) and also to create another set of dilithium sinks to fuel Zen sales.
I fully understand what they are doing, but I don't really take that much issue with it. it lets us actually grind for gear now rather than just playing content and hoping for gear, and the dilithium as a cost fits in with it being a way to grind for real money items or pay to save time. I do think the costs need looked at from the prices I have heard people mentioning. I know cryptic said they picked a high dilithium cost for the sets because they are better than the stuff in the regular dilithium store, but that ignores the extra work you have to put in and the other resources needed as payment in addition to the dilithium, but the system itself is reasonably sound. I do wish they would implement a system whereby those of us who have been playing STFs all this time could get a leg up on the new system, however.
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It is easy, it was even easy before they started amping up the rates. What people consider "hard" is usually novice level difficulty to an experienced gamer.
"I just got my first proto tech drop on ground a few days ago".... then clearly you weren't playing it often enough to get proto techs with frequency. Why does everyone want everything in 10 games or less?
As for the reputation system, what is so great about it? it is a sinkhole. Example You have a counterfeit rolex, if I say putting in a few hundred dollars into the trash can get you a better Replica counterfeit Rolex with your name engraved in it, would you do it?
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I routinely get the optional on ALL of the elite STFs when teamed with competent members of my fleet, so the STFs aren't really all that hard.
Getting the gear, though, is not easy because it's luck based (by the same token you could argue it isn't hard either, but either way, it is bull****).
Then I recommend you play them more than just once a month, maybe you'll see more drops.
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If that's a joke, it's not very funny.
I play each STF multiple times a week, and there were a few months that I was playing each one multiple times per day most days of the week. In all that time, I have gotten 3 prototype tech drops (2 space, 1 ground).
Playing more doesn't change the fact that the current system is luck based meaning reward is not actually proportional to effort (again I have taken newbies through an STF and seen them get a drop right away, ie. MY effort has rewarded somebody else)
It is lucky when you get 2 tech drops in only 2 games, it is NOT lucky that you get 1 drop in 15. It was bound to happen, you know why? Because the drop rates ARE high enough to guarantee that you will complete all sets.
and I think you aren't being very honest with the recollection of your time spent doing Elite STFs. If you are, then they are normal stfs or STFs that fail.
| Join Date: January 2009 | Computer | Fleet: Broken Wings |
When put THIS way it seems like someone needs to get a call from the BBB.
My character Tsin'xing
Lol I did my first ground ESTF today with my Engi in Mk X MACO (bought using EDC gathered from Space runs)
Did IGE, got the Proto PSG straight away, no waiting 60-90 days
I plan to have the lot before this joke of an update comes out. At least that way I won't be spending Dilithium on items that used to be free. :cool:
I advocated using EDC to purchase Mk XII gear, which was the easiest solution and didn't drain peoples Dilithium, why didn't they implement that? we all know why
I wish people would stop being deluded, the primary goal of the changes to the STF's was not to remove luck and make sure everyone got their gear (That was just a bi-product of their aim), it was to ensure that STF's would be time gated and rebooted to keep people going until S8 (when a lot of new content should arrive) and also to create another set of dilithium sinks to fuel Zen sales.
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is what i understand, correct?
You keep your purchased gear, but your EDC,salvage and requisitions get converted and locked up till you hit T5 in the rep system.
Awoken Dead
Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
My character Tsin'xing
the weapons and shields consoles will not disappear consoles
Nice, I don't need to toss it into the recycler.
Awoken Dead
Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
I see that you REALLY thought this post out, huh?
These 'issues' aren't issues in the first place, not to me... nothing Cryptic or PWE has done has really crossed a line for me
I haven't got a beef with Cryptic, or a line to cross, simply put. I got burned in the Emblem conversion (15 away from a ship; had to start over), but got over it. And liked everything that came in-game, and is coming in-game
I defend them because I like Cryptic and STO, because I hate when something I like is attacked. I think I'm only legitimately a 'content' fanboy if I defended them against all logic and hatred, against all opinions, against all issues... I think you see where this is going.
But if you did your research, you'd see I haven't fulfilled that requirement
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
My character Tsin'xing
Is there a "bridge too far" for you? Can they TRIBBLE you in some way that won't let you forgive and forget? One thing about this you may want to consider, being able to forgive is a valuable tool when it comes to maintaining your sanity with family and friends. I know this firsthand. However, our relationship with Cryptic/PWE is strictly commercial.
Now, if you really mean what you say, that you've liked everything so far as well as what's coming (How can you "like" what you haven't experienced in any meaningful way?), why are you posting in this thread? Based on what you've said only, the reason can only be that you're acting as an "agent of chaos," trying to rile posters up to detract from the heartfelt concerns being expressed.
But isn't that what this thread is for, supplying Cryptic with input?
And like I said in that post, I like Cryptic and STO, and I hate when something I like is attacked (or criticized, whatever you prefer). A lot of what mewi said struck that chord for me, and... well, couldn't quite help myself. A weakness of mine.
But it's not my intention to rile up posters (there are much better uses of my time); I was simply stating my opinion to mewi.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Come on guys almost at 100 pages - are you sure that you could keep this quasi-flame war going at least 4 more to make it 100?
What is the goal of this post? It obviously has nothing to do with the topic of the thread, so just flame baiting?
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I fully understand what they are doing, but I don't really take that much issue with it. it lets us actually grind for gear now rather than just playing content and hoping for gear, and the dilithium as a cost fits in with it being a way to grind for real money items or pay to save time. I do think the costs need looked at from the prices I have heard people mentioning. I know cryptic said they picked a high dilithium cost for the sets because they are better than the stuff in the regular dilithium store, but that ignores the extra work you have to put in and the other resources needed as payment in addition to the dilithium, but the system itself is reasonably sound. I do wish they would implement a system whereby those of us who have been playing STFs all this time could get a leg up on the new system, however.