Dilithium is a currency, you're suppsoed to spemd it, not just use it to manufacture zen...
According to Dan Stahl it's primary purpose was to allow F2P people a chance to buy C-Store items. It was meant to be converted that's why there is a Dilithium to Zen exchange:)
so if I am understanding this right, please correct me if I am wrong, all the gear that I ALREADY have is about to be TAKEN away from me and put in a box, and has been mentioned before I have to run the fraken gauntlet again just to get my stuff back, did I miss anything in that statement? What the Frak were you guys thinking about doing this? This isn't help it's more like mass punishment.
Edit: what about those who have ran the gauntlet and have received the Silver Star and Starfleet Cross accolades, will those be calculated in or was that all for nothing?
Since it seems to be a primary fear it's worth reposting.
The gear that you already have, shields, weapons, sets, things that you have already purchased will be yours to keep. The only difference is that the Borg set is going three piece instead of four
Only currency is being bank vaulted til Tier 5. Weird I know, but you're not losing any equipment you've already bought.
And others have brought up that accolades should definitely be taken into account for tier placement, so you guys that have ground for ages to get this gear get credit. Let's hope that they listen and/or can implement it before S7 drops.
"Rise like Lions after slumber, In unvanquishable number, Shake your chains to earth like dew, Which in sleep had fallen on you-Ye are many they are few"
Only currency is being bank vaulted til Tier 5. Weird I know, but you're not losing any equipment you've already bought.
There's nothing "only" about it. They're stealing our current STF currency, and locking it away for the most dubious and insulting reasons. Hell, so far Dan has been unwiling to even post what the conversion rate will be for individual items. "Just try it out on Tribble!", they say. Well, having a host of stable games available to play on my box, I have no wish to be an unpaid beta tester on a TRIBBLE server. Be doing things this way they?re treating us like guinea pigs at best, empty-headed morons at worst.
There's nothing "only" about it. They're stealing our current STF currency, and locking it away for the most dubious and insulting reasons. Hell, so far Dan has been unwiling to even post what the conversion rate will be for individual items. "Just try it out on Tribble!", they say. Well, having a host of stable games available to play on my box, I have no wish to be an unpaid beta tester on a TRIBBLE server. Be doing things this way they?re treating us like guinea pigs at best, empty-headed morons at worst.
I didn't say it was right.
I was specifically responding to the gentleman's anger that they would be taking his gear off of his starship and out of his bank. That is not the case.
As for the currency, I agree 100% that it's a TRIBBLE deal, chill out.
DStahl posted a few pages back that they've heard the complaints and are going to make adjustments. So for the time being we have to wait to see how he's gonna handle it. If 88 pages of people voicing their concern, outrage, and generally having a conniption doesn't get the adjustments made then if you feel that way please follow through on your design and indulge yourself with your stable.
And testing things on Tribble helps the things that come on to Holodeck, finding all the bugs and problems that we hate so much before they are fully implemented, though of course it should be voluntary. But now that you mention it a dilithium award for useful reviews would be pretty cool. Maybe the ability to transfer dilithium earned on tribble to holodeck.
"Rise like Lions after slumber, In unvanquishable number, Shake your chains to earth like dew, Which in sleep had fallen on you-Ye are many they are few"
I honestly cannot see this ending well. From what I understand, basically we are going from a system with a low % chance of getting the item you want each run, with a slightly better % chance of consolation prizes (IE: EDCs/Borg Salvage) to a system with a ZERO % chance of getting what you want each run, and with a ZERO % chance of any sort of consolation prize, until you run STFs enough to finally unlock access to all STF equipment.
So it seems to be that STFs are going from a gradual curve of slowly earning/equipping better and better STF gear as you play until you finally grind out the gear you want, to a system very much akin to running headfirst into a wall repeatedly. No more gradual increases; you just keep running the same STFs with the same gear, ad nauseum, until you hit the magic arbitrary required number of runs; then you can finally access better gear.
Personally; it was the "Maybe today I will get that prototype salvage" mentality and the occasional EDC's/Borg Salvage drops that kept me running STFs/playing STO (Multiple chars all at Lv 50 is otherwise very boring). Nothing will kill any desire on my part for running STFs then now realising "OK, now I have to run TRIBBLE number of STFs first, over months per char, and only THEN I can get my Proto Gear". Oh, and lets not forget it will have a substantial cost per piece in Dil now as well, coupled with a considerable reduction in the Dil rewarded from STFs.
I doubt you will find many new players willing to repeatedly grind STFs dozens/hundreds of times, with no tangable rewards; for months on end, and no chance of being able to use better gear until they hit the magic number of STF completions. And then finally pay very dearly for their STF item.
I can only say that i am very glad that all my chars are already well equipped with STF gear; I certainly would hate to have to earn it under the new system. This is honestly the most un-fun and un-rewarding thing I think you could possibly do to end game/STF players; This "update" reduces STFs to nothing but a combination of pure grindfest and Dil sink.
According to Dan Stahl it's primary purpose was to allow F2P people a chance to buy C-Store items. It was meant to be converted that's why there is a Dilithium to Zen exchange:)
I remember him stating that as the reason for creating the Dilithium EXCHANGE, but not as the reason for creating Dilithium.
I remember him stating that as the reason for creating the Dilithium EXCHANGE, but not as the reason for creating Dilithium.
maybe it's as simple as a company wanting to increase profits? I know that might be a shocking concept in a Capitalist market - but it has been known to happen before. There has to be at least 1 other company in the world that has increase it's prices this year??
As for the currency, I agree 100% that it's a TRIBBLE deal, chill out.
Chill out? LOL Dude, you don't have a CLUE how phrases like that really work.
DStahl posted a few pages back that they've heard the complaints and are going to make adjustments. So for the time being we have to wait to see how he's gonna handle it. If 88 pages of people voicing their concern, outrage, and generally having a conniption doesn't get the adjustments made then if you feel that way please follow through on your design and indulge yourself with your stable.
Well look, we have a not-so-well disguised Cryptic rump-kisser among us, in the flesh. How does being an unpaid flak taste? Also, before you offer any more self-serving, meat-brained advice, I couldn't care less what you think about this sorry situation, so stick a potato in it please. If all you can offer is poorly-packaged contempt when faced with a bit of dissatisfaction, perhaps a change in venue might be needed. Maybe the "ways to serve oatmeal" forum would address your needs.
And testing things on Tribble helps the things that come on to Holodeck, finding all the bugs and problems that we hate so much before they are fully implemented, though of course it should be voluntary.
Open your eyes Nobody, it ain't working so well. Bought beta testers coupled with the design teams particpation should be the order. Not 2-days of "give it a try, okay?"
I honestly cannot see this ending well. From what I understand, basically we are going from a system with a low % chance of getting the item you want each run, with a slightly better % chance of consolation prizes (IE: EDCs/Borg Salvage) to a system with a ZERO % chance of getting what you want each run, and with a ZERO % chance of any sort of consolation prize, until you run STFs enough to finally unlock access to all STF equipment.
So it seems to be that STFs are going from a gradual curve of slowly earning/equipping better and better STF gear as you play until you finally grind out the gear you want, to a system very much akin to running headfirst into a wall repeatedly. No more gradual increases; you just keep running the same STFs with the same gear, ad nauseum, until you hit the magic arbitrary required number of runs; then you can finally access better gear.
Personally; it was the "Maybe today I will get that prototype salvage" mentality and the occasional EDC's/Borg Salvage drops that kept me running STFs/playing STO (Multiple chars all at Lv 50 is otherwise very boring). Nothing will kill any desire on my part for running STFs then now realising "OK, now I have to run TRIBBLE number of STFs first, over months per char, and only THEN I can get my Proto Gear". Oh, and lets not forget it will have a substantial cost per piece in Dil now as well, coupled with a considerable reduction in the Dil rewarded from STFs.
I doubt you will find many new players willing to repeatedly grind STFs dozens/hundreds of times, with no tangable rewards; for months on end, and no chance of being able to use better gear until they hit the magic number of STF completions. And then finally pay very dearly for their STF item.
I can only say that i am very glad that all my chars are already well equipped with STF gear; I certainly would hate to have to earn it under the new system. This is honestly the most un-fun and un-rewarding thing I think you could possibly do to end game/STF players; This "update" reduces STFs to nothing but a combination of pure grindfest and Dil sink.
Chill out? LOL Dude, you don't have a CLUE how phrases like that really work.
Well look, we have a not-so-well disguised Cryptic rump-kisser among us, in the flesh. How does being an unpaid flak taste? Also, before you offer any more self-serving, meat-brained advice, I couldn't care less what you think about this sorry situation, so stick a potato in it please. If all you can offer is poorly-packaged contempt when faced with a bit of dissatisfaction, perhaps a change in venue might be needed. Maybe the "ways to serve oatmeal" forum would address your needs.
Open your eyes Nobody, it ain't working so well. Bought beta testers coupled with the design teams particpation should be the order. Not 2-days of "give it a try, okay?"
My you're a remarkably pleasant person.
You're even a phraseology critic, impressive.
I don't need to kiss Cryptic's tail, I simply don't develop the level of contempt that you have. I'm sure you'll be pleased to find that I find your opinion equally meaningless. It's been a while since I've come across someone who attacks someone who generally agrees with them, for not being vitriolic enough.
My eyes are wide open. You're right a solid in house dedicated QA department is certainly a requirement of any efficient video game company nowadays. Tribble is an opportunity to get player feedback. Nothing more nothing less.
"Rise like Lions after slumber, In unvanquishable number, Shake your chains to earth like dew, Which in sleep had fallen on you-Ye are many they are few"
Thank you, I've heard that before. While you, little sir, are a lot of work, all butt-hurt because you met some resistance to your smary, red-faced BS. Now, I'll go back to having a conniption while you continue to kiss the ring.
I honestly cannot see this ending well. From what I understand, basically we are going from a system with a low % chance of getting the item you want each run, with a slightly better % chance of consolation prizes (IE: EDCs/Borg Salvage) to a system with a ZERO % chance of getting what you want each run, and with a ZERO % chance of any sort of consolation prize, until you run STFs enough to finally unlock access to all STF equipment.
So it seems to be that STFs are going from a gradual curve of slowly earning/equipping better and better STF gear as you play until you finally grind out the gear you want, to a system very much akin to running headfirst into a wall repeatedly. No more gradual increases; you just keep running the same STFs with the same gear, ad nauseum, until you hit the magic arbitrary required number of runs; then you can finally access better gear.
Personally; it was the "Maybe today I will get that prototype salvage" mentality and the occasional EDC's/Borg Salvage drops that kept me running STFs/playing STO (Multiple chars all at Lv 50 is otherwise very boring). Nothing will kill any desire on my part for running STFs then now realising "OK, now I have to run TRIBBLE number of STFs first, over months per char, and only THEN I can get my Proto Gear". Oh, and lets not forget it will have a substantial cost per piece in Dil now as well, coupled with a considerable reduction in the Dil rewarded from STFs.
I doubt you will find many new players willing to repeatedly grind STFs dozens/hundreds of times, with no tangable rewards; for months on end, and no chance of being able to use better gear until they hit the magic number of STF completions. And then finally pay very dearly for their STF item.
I can only say that i am very glad that all my chars are already well equipped with STF gear; I certainly would hate to have to earn it under the new system. This is honestly the most un-fun and un-rewarding thing I think you could possibly do to end game/STF players; This "update" reduces STFs to nothing but a combination of pure grindfest and Dil sink.
I have to disagree. I never got any of the good tech drops under the old system, ever. I pretty much gave up on getting anything but EDCs out of it. To me, the old system STANK and I'm happy to be able to kiss it goodbye. The Dil cost is a minor annoyance. Why bother with having multiples of Borg or MACO gear anyways? I'll just pay it once then forget about it.
I have to disagree. I never got any of the good tech drops under the old system, ever. I pretty much gave up on getting anything but EDCs out of it. To me, the old system STANK and I'm happy to be able to kiss it goodbye. The Dil cost is a minor annoyance. Why bother with having multiples of Borg or MACO gear anyways? I'll just pay it once then forget about it.
Hehe a lot of my boffs have Mk X and Mk XI STF gear, collected along the way to achieving MK XII.
Have you asked yourself why the didn't just allow players to buy Mk XII with EDC?
This has very little to do with helping players get STF gear.
I have to disagree. I never got any of the good tech drops under the old system, ever. I pretty much gave up on getting anything but EDCs out of it. To me, the old system STANK and I'm happy to be able to kiss it goodbye. The Dil cost is a minor annoyance. Why bother with having multiples of Borg or MACO gear anyways? I'll just pay it once then forget about it.
Either you're terribly unlucky or you haven't flown all that many STF's. Why bother with multiple copies of things? Again, I'm wondering what game you've been playing. I have one alt, but I have lots of ships to kit and tweak from time to time.
TBH, I don't mind a change in the way things work either, it's the way things are happening that sucks.
Either you're terribly unlucky or you haven't flown all that many STF's. Why bother with multiple copies of things? Again, I'm wondering what game you've been playing. I have one alt, but I have lots of ships to kit and tweak from time to time.
TBH, I don't mind a change in the way things work either, it's the way things are happening that sucks.
I've done mostly ground actually.
Total between all of my 9 chars..... I don't really know, based on the STF gear my chars have, probably between 20 and 30. Part of my lack of motivation to play STFs is the fact that getting anything beyond an EDC is pure luck. I don't like relying on luck, there are a wide variety of other things I could spend my time on in the game, such as writing Foundry missions or collecting stuff for fleet projects. I've gotten Rare salvage a few times and only one green tech.
Originally Posted by dastahl
Btw... Fleet Action scoring is set up differently in every Fleet Action and is not entirely based on DPS, but rather objective scoring.
I've asked the team to come up with a scoring chart so that you can see what different objectives mean from a score perspective (for example in some fleet actions interactions are worth a lot of points and that has nothing to do with DPS). A lot of the Fleet Actions do value "Kills" in scoring, but we are reviewing that as well.
In addition, we have decided to nix the X2 Dilithium bonus for Gold and instead provide a x2 Purple gear and keep the Dilithium consistent across all players.
This is WORSE then giving escorts x2 dilithium
You gave escorts the best Dps so who is going to win gold Dan ?
Purple loot is worth 10x the dilithium I'n case you didn't know
So science and cruisers are 2nd class characters it's
Official correct
Dan said
Go escorts or go home ,, Sir that's the bottom line here
This soposed to be a team game right ?
Don't make us compete against each other your talking about
Total confusion among character types here, the cruisers
Won't heal or tank out of spite of being nerfed because they
Have no chance to get good loot
The science players will question why there I'n
The game period
Make the reward team based please
Reinforce your characters roles don't confuse them
Or drop the holy trinity concept and go with cannon
Ship builds if you no longer support the Trinity
Jellico....Engineer ground.....Da'val Romulan space Sci
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
Why are the rewards being droped so dramatically
For stfs
As far as I and almost everyone I'n our fleet
Is concerened the stfs are the most fun aspect
I'n the game and we do them together as teams
It's a combination of
Dilithium
Loot
Edc from selling loot
Borg drops; which can be used to get gear
Or dilithium
Your dropping
Edc earnings
Loot
Borg drops
Dilithium earnings
Now your adding 960 dilithium to fleet actions ?
Why there not nearly as fun to do as Stfs
That's why we don't do them
Adding 960 dilithium doesn't make them any more
Fun
I think you should increase the dilithium earnings
On stfs not cut them to compsentate for what you
Are taking away from us
Furthermore your going to fragment our players
From teams to solo play by Nerfing the stfs so harshly
Why does your team feel the need to force us to not
Play stfs by Denying us our rewards for playing the game ?
And To play a part of the game we don't like I'n the first place
We only do enough fleet actions to keep tje star base projects
Running no more.
Ground stfs should have the hightest rewards
I'n the game, I challenge you to play cure elite and
See for yourself no other content I'n this game is as hard
Or takes as long. And get the optional.
I hope you read this and consider my points
Jellico....Engineer ground.....Da'val Romulan space Sci
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
There's nothing "only" about it. They're stealing our current STF currency, and locking it away for the most dubious and insulting reasons. Hell, so far Dan has been unwiling to even post what the conversion rate will be for individual items
Haven't followed all the rants in here (sorry); but if the above is true, then I might be inclined to add a little rant of my own. Sigh.
Seriously, I think Season 7, in its entirety, will become known as "The season when it became all about lacing their pockets with latinum, and even moar latinum." I don't see *anything* in Season 7 that I look forward to. Everywhere I look, however well I search the place, all I see is Cryptic adding moar ways to make themselves moar money. And often in quite shameful ways.
Funny; I joined almost 3 months ago, right after PWE had taken over. And now I'm already seriously considering quitting.
I was on tribble this morning and there was reputation and all that for the borg and romulan stuff already but nothing had yet been converted. I'm actually slightly worried they're going to not put that on tribble until it's too late to do any checking. I'm still not even sure how it's really a "leg up" if they're going to be holding it all hostage like this. Anytime Cryptic has made it a point to withhold information it's a good sign that it's going to end badly for the fans.
Have you asked yourself why the didn't just allow players to buy Mk XII with EDC?
This has very little to do with helping players get STF gear.
That's not 100% true .
I'm sure that the desire to monetize everything WAS mixed with the desire to help folks get STF gear which WAS out of reach for a number of players either because of bad luck , laziness or inability to play at STF level .
(and no , I'm not blaming any players here)
Because I mostly play STF's -- I know that compared to most of the Lvl 50 crowd , we too are a minority .
And in this game , it often sucks to be that .
Haven't followed all the rants in here (sorry); but if the above is true, then I might be inclined to add a little rant of my own. Sigh.
Seriously, I think Season 7, in its entirety, will become known as "The season when it became all about lacing their pockets with latinum, and even moar latinum." I don't see *anything* in Season 7 that I look forward to. Everywhere I look, however well I search the place, all I see is Cryptic adding moar ways to make themselves moar money. And often in quite shameful ways.
Funny; I joined almost 3 months ago, right after PWE had taken over. And now I'm already seriously considering quitting.
I've read more than enough to form an opinion, and it doesn't look good. Considering the sweeping nature of the changes there's seems to be a lot more afoot than simply trying to keep us giggly, or freshen the mechanics of the game. So yeah, an elaborate mechanism to get us to spend more cash seems likely as hell.
Me too, though I don't want to think about pulling that trigger quite yet. I'd imagine that I'm one of the few people here who saw the first episode of ST in 1966, and every episode/movie since. This being the case, ST:O was an easy choice for me. I don't want to stop playing it.
Because I mostly play STF's -- I know that compared to most of the Lvl 50 crowd , we too are a minority .
And in this game , it often sucks to be that .
I agree, but it didn't have to be this way. They could have long since created more quality STF maps, altered the reward system and made it more exciting and fun to play STF's. That didn't happen, and now the development team is telling STF players to go TRIBBLE themselves by erecting a whole new FORCED grind.
I would have been a LOT more receptive to this turn of events if they hadn't decided to rip me off TOO.
Honestly Dev's. I don't complain much. I deal with the changes to the game, or just pass over them usually. But on tribble i just unlocked T1 of the Omega reputation...
20,000 Dilithium for the space borg pieces at Mk X is just WAY to high. That price is insane compared to what they currently are.
The Mk X ground gear costs 6,500 Dil now. That, I can understand compared to the current time it takes to get them.
But this is Tier 1. I shutter at the prices you'll ask at MK XI and XII. To think the Borg gear is worth that. When you already ask for so much dilithium for fleet projects, to even level up the reputation, to buy fleet weapons. Is there any sense of moderation within cryptic?
I was on tribble this morning and there was reputation and all that for the borg and romulan stuff already but nothing had yet been converted. I'm actually slightly worried they're going to not put that on tribble until it's too late to do any checking. I'm still not even sure how it's really a "leg up" if they're going to be holding it all hostage like this. Anytime Cryptic has made it a point to withhold information it's a good sign that it's going to end badly for the fans.
You will not see a conversion of your leftover STF items (EDC, Rare Salvage/Tech, Proto Salvage/Tech) UNTIL you reach T5 of the reputation system. Oh and guess what, the Borg engines cost 20k dilithium. That's right Dilithium, as opposed to 5 EDC. For those of you that don't seem to be bothered by the new system, have you actually taken the time to play with it? Do you honestly want to grind Dilithium for one or both reputation systems and have enough to contribute to a starbase?
I have a few characters that are in the middle of having either full XI sets or XII, this new system will take, according to the devs, a couple of months to complete when I could have XI in half that time, or XII if I am lucky. Yes, the argument here is that this will for sure give you the items, but do you really want to wait for a longer period of time when you've probably been saving up the EDC in the hopes of the items being in the store?
It's interesting that after Dan's cut-and-paste responses to our questions and concerns, he's gone dead silent. I hope this means he's busy lashing the brain scientist(s) who gave birth to this BS.
I have given this more thought over the weekend; and the more I think about it the worse this new system seems.
This is going to crater the Zen-to-DIL exchange once its implemented; I am not sure what the bottom limit is; but I am certain this change is going to hit it (Unless Cryptic props it up by generating DIL constantly to stock the exchange with; it is a virtual commodity after all).
With almost everything in STO requiring some amount of DIL once this update goes though; the Free-to-play players are going to clutch their meagre supplies even more tightly as new personal demands added to starbase demands will considerably outweigh their 8K a day maximum earning capabilities.
Which will dry up that part of your micro-transaction income; after paying lets say 1 Zen to 100 DIL a few times; people are simply just going to get fed up with the terrible exchange rate and with needing to whip out their credit card to buy yet more DIL every single time they want something.
Your lifetime subscribers are going to find that their stipend is virtually worthless once the Zen-to-DIL exchange tanks; and they too will be upset with these changes.
I can speak from personal experience that even with our fleet of 250-300 members; our starbase construction has slowed down considerably as everyone is suffering from a bad case of "Dilithium donation burnout" as-is. Adding yet another huge DIL sink is not going to go over well with any of us.
I fully expect that the DIL demands will be toned down prior to release; the worlds oldest negotiation tactic after all is to start with an unrealistic demand; wait for the screaming and shirt-rending to finsh, then allow yourself to be convinced to adjust it to the level you wanted in the first place; but these changes are just a plain terrible idea, and no amount of adjustment can fix that.
I have also come to the decision that I am just not going to play. Not that I am going to quit STO; I will just simply refuse to use the new STF Omega system. I have my borg gear already; and I will continue to use it. I see no point in sinking considerable DIL/EC/and time into a system to earn once again what I already have earned. I will just remain at Lv 0 until this deeply flawed system is seriously revised or removed.
I read a lot of this thread about the new changes and reaction to it. I've been to tribble and seen what that new reputation system will be. I approve of some of the change, to take randomness from borg loot is a worthwhile goal, but there are a few problems that comes along with it.
Holding all borg loot until you reached T5 is way to much. You say its gonna be converted to omega, dil, neural proc and some other thing I don't recall now. Well that sucks big time, why are you holding all that loot for us, why not give us all we can use to reach t5 and withhold only what can only be use at tier 5. The goal is to make those who didn't have mk xii set faster, fine for new players. But what of all those player who played stf for hundred and sometimes more time already. Why can't those player use what they accumulated right away to get working on those new reputation system. Why make them wait.
The other point I don't like is the increase dilitium cost of just about everything. Be it to get or convert doffs, buy borg stuf, reman (romulan) stuf, completing reputation project, starbase project, embassy project, starbase fleet weapons and other stuff. Just by looking at it, we'll need dilitium for just about everything. But we have less dilitium loot from stf, of course a new place to get some from fleet event, starbase 24, gorn, etc.. wich is attached to performance to get more. And we still have the 8k dil a day refining cap. No matter how I look at it, everything will get harder to get because of those dilitium cost.
Like I seen many say in this thread, grind, grind, grind. That will be our lot in life for the next foreseeable future. Grind to get those dilitium. With 1 toon relatively easy, 2 that start to be a lot of work, 3 toons.... I will have to stop working and spend 12 hours a day to be able to get what I will need. Up to now, even if I didn't get 8 k per toon It didn't matter that much because dilitium wasn't such a central part of getting everything but now, there is no way around it, you have to get all the dilitium you can if you want to get those mk XII equipment in a reasonnable amount of time. And if you think I will start converting zen to dil you better think again. I did spend a lot of money since I started playing f2p, ironic isn't it, I have bouhgt 5 tiers 5 ship, 1 tiers 3, and 3 fleet ship a shiload of doff, space for inv, bank, etc.. so I don't mind paying for stuffs and ships that are worth it. But I wont start converting zen to dil to get the new stuf, I guess I won't get any of the new stuff for a long while. I'll just keep what I have now and take my sweet time for the rest and maybe get it for season 8 if ever.
Before we grinded to get those elusive borg prot tech and we got a chance to get them. Now we'll have to grind to get dilitium, lots of it everyday, all the time, more and more dil always to hopefully get my stuf in 2 months but we'll get it for sure at some point.
So, I approve of some of the change, the new romulan stuff and sector. I even approve of the new stf stuff (reputation system) except the dilitium cost which are prohibitive. Find a balance because now its getting where I'm wondering how I'm gonna get 3 toons to reach tier 5 in a timely fashion without spending 12 hours a day to get there.
To finish, my biggest gripe, don't lock away our loot until t5 let us use what we can to level up and keep only what we can't use until Tier 5. Stay consistent with player who spend lots of time accumulating all that loot, let them use some of it as a recognition of the time already spend grinding for it. 2 of my toons are Medal of Honor recipient and the other is getting there (only about 30 to go) all that time spent is now worth nothing until you get to T5 including the loot. The only good thing is the pces of set we have now stay on and keep working as intended (except borg set) so at least we don't loose those.
Right now my option are few if not inexistant, I'll just convert everything to dilitium before the season and get a head start on dil because now I don't see how having stuf in "storage" for a couple month will help me in said couple months, specially if I get new consumable to use for that tiers 5 while grinding to reach Tier5. I'm gonna need the dilitium anyway so it may not be a choice but a necessity unless you change things.
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It's interesting that after Dan's cut-and-paste responses to our questions and concerns, he's gone dead silent. I hope this means he's busy lashing the brain scientist(s) who gave birth to this BS.
While I'm not above the occasional bout with wild accusations and conspiracy theories, I think it probably just means yesterday and the day before were sunday and saturday respectively.
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According to Dan Stahl it's primary purpose was to allow F2P people a chance to buy C-Store items. It was meant to be converted that's why there is a Dilithium to Zen exchange:)
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Since it seems to be a primary fear it's worth reposting.
The gear that you already have, shields, weapons, sets, things that you have already purchased will be yours to keep. The only difference is that the Borg set is going three piece instead of four
Only currency is being bank vaulted til Tier 5. Weird I know, but you're not losing any equipment you've already bought.
And others have brought up that accolades should definitely be taken into account for tier placement, so you guys that have ground for ages to get this gear get credit. Let's hope that they listen and/or can implement it before S7 drops.
There's nothing "only" about it. They're stealing our current STF currency, and locking it away for the most dubious and insulting reasons. Hell, so far Dan has been unwiling to even post what the conversion rate will be for individual items. "Just try it out on Tribble!", they say. Well, having a host of stable games available to play on my box, I have no wish to be an unpaid beta tester on a TRIBBLE server. Be doing things this way they?re treating us like guinea pigs at best, empty-headed morons at worst.
I didn't say it was right.
I was specifically responding to the gentleman's anger that they would be taking his gear off of his starship and out of his bank. That is not the case.
As for the currency, I agree 100% that it's a TRIBBLE deal, chill out.
DStahl posted a few pages back that they've heard the complaints and are going to make adjustments. So for the time being we have to wait to see how he's gonna handle it. If 88 pages of people voicing their concern, outrage, and generally having a conniption doesn't get the adjustments made then if you feel that way please follow through on your design and indulge yourself with your stable.
And testing things on Tribble helps the things that come on to Holodeck, finding all the bugs and problems that we hate so much before they are fully implemented, though of course it should be voluntary. But now that you mention it a dilithium award for useful reviews would be pretty cool. Maybe the ability to transfer dilithium earned on tribble to holodeck.
So it seems to be that STFs are going from a gradual curve of slowly earning/equipping better and better STF gear as you play until you finally grind out the gear you want, to a system very much akin to running headfirst into a wall repeatedly. No more gradual increases; you just keep running the same STFs with the same gear, ad nauseum, until you hit the magic arbitrary required number of runs; then you can finally access better gear.
Personally; it was the "Maybe today I will get that prototype salvage" mentality and the occasional EDC's/Borg Salvage drops that kept me running STFs/playing STO (Multiple chars all at Lv 50 is otherwise very boring). Nothing will kill any desire on my part for running STFs then now realising "OK, now I have to run TRIBBLE number of STFs first, over months per char, and only THEN I can get my Proto Gear". Oh, and lets not forget it will have a substantial cost per piece in Dil now as well, coupled with a considerable reduction in the Dil rewarded from STFs.
I doubt you will find many new players willing to repeatedly grind STFs dozens/hundreds of times, with no tangable rewards; for months on end, and no chance of being able to use better gear until they hit the magic number of STF completions. And then finally pay very dearly for their STF item.
I can only say that i am very glad that all my chars are already well equipped with STF gear; I certainly would hate to have to earn it under the new system. This is honestly the most un-fun and un-rewarding thing I think you could possibly do to end game/STF players; This "update" reduces STFs to nothing but a combination of pure grindfest and Dil sink.
My character Tsin'xing
maybe it's as simple as a company wanting to increase profits? I know that might be a shocking concept in a Capitalist market - but it has been known to happen before. There has to be at least 1 other company in the world that has increase it's prices this year??
/sarcasim
Chill out? LOL Dude, you don't have a CLUE how phrases like that really work.
Well look, we have a not-so-well disguised Cryptic rump-kisser among us, in the flesh. How does being an unpaid flak taste? Also, before you offer any more self-serving, meat-brained advice, I couldn't care less what you think about this sorry situation, so stick a potato in it please. If all you can offer is poorly-packaged contempt when faced with a bit of dissatisfaction, perhaps a change in venue might be needed. Maybe the "ways to serve oatmeal" forum would address your needs.
Open your eyes Nobody, it ain't working so well. Bought beta testers coupled with the design teams particpation should be the order. Not 2-days of "give it a try, okay?"
QFT Well said a right on target, sir.
My you're a remarkably pleasant person.
You're even a phraseology critic, impressive.
I don't need to kiss Cryptic's tail, I simply don't develop the level of contempt that you have. I'm sure you'll be pleased to find that I find your opinion equally meaningless. It's been a while since I've come across someone who attacks someone who generally agrees with them, for not being vitriolic enough.
My eyes are wide open. You're right a solid in house dedicated QA department is certainly a requirement of any efficient video game company nowadays. Tribble is an opportunity to get player feedback. Nothing more nothing less.
Thank you, I've heard that before. While you, little sir, are a lot of work, all butt-hurt because you met some resistance to your smary, red-faced BS. Now, I'll go back to having a conniption while you continue to kiss the ring.
Anything new to offer us, Dan?
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Hehe a lot of my boffs have Mk X and Mk XI STF gear, collected along the way to achieving MK XII.
Have you asked yourself why the didn't just allow players to buy Mk XII with EDC?
This has very little to do with helping players get STF gear.
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Either you're terribly unlucky or you haven't flown all that many STF's. Why bother with multiple copies of things? Again, I'm wondering what game you've been playing. I have one alt, but I have lots of ships to kit and tweak from time to time.
TBH, I don't mind a change in the way things work either, it's the way things are happening that sucks.
Total between all of my 9 chars..... I don't really know, based on the STF gear my chars have, probably between 20 and 30. Part of my lack of motivation to play STFs is the fact that getting anything beyond an EDC is pure luck. I don't like relying on luck, there are a wide variety of other things I could spend my time on in the game, such as writing Foundry missions or collecting stuff for fleet projects. I've gotten Rare salvage a few times and only one green tech.
My character Tsin'xing
Btw... Fleet Action scoring is set up differently in every Fleet Action and is not entirely based on DPS, but rather objective scoring.
I've asked the team to come up with a scoring chart so that you can see what different objectives mean from a score perspective (for example in some fleet actions interactions are worth a lot of points and that has nothing to do with DPS). A lot of the Fleet Actions do value "Kills" in scoring, but we are reviewing that as well.
In addition, we have decided to nix the X2 Dilithium bonus for Gold and instead provide a x2 Purple gear and keep the Dilithium consistent across all players.
This is WORSE then giving escorts x2 dilithium
You gave escorts the best Dps so who is going to win gold Dan ?
Purple loot is worth 10x the dilithium I'n case you didn't know
So science and cruisers are 2nd class characters it's
Official correct
Dan said
Go escorts or go home ,, Sir that's the bottom line here
This soposed to be a team game right ?
Don't make us compete against each other your talking about
Total confusion among character types here, the cruisers
Won't heal or tank out of spite of being nerfed because they
Have no chance to get good loot
The science players will question why there I'n
The game period
Make the reward team based please
Reinforce your characters roles don't confuse them
Or drop the holy trinity concept and go with cannon
Ship builds if you no longer support the Trinity
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
Why are the rewards being droped so dramatically
For stfs
As far as I and almost everyone I'n our fleet
Is concerened the stfs are the most fun aspect
I'n the game and we do them together as teams
It's a combination of
Dilithium
Loot
Edc from selling loot
Borg drops; which can be used to get gear
Or dilithium
Your dropping
Edc earnings
Loot
Borg drops
Dilithium earnings
Now your adding 960 dilithium to fleet actions ?
Why there not nearly as fun to do as Stfs
That's why we don't do them
Adding 960 dilithium doesn't make them any more
Fun
I think you should increase the dilithium earnings
On stfs not cut them to compsentate for what you
Are taking away from us
Furthermore your going to fragment our players
From teams to solo play by Nerfing the stfs so harshly
Why does your team feel the need to force us to not
Play stfs by Denying us our rewards for playing the game ?
And To play a part of the game we don't like I'n the first place
We only do enough fleet actions to keep tje star base projects
Running no more.
Ground stfs should have the hightest rewards
I'n the game, I challenge you to play cure elite and
See for yourself no other content I'n this game is as hard
Or takes as long. And get the optional.
I hope you read this and consider my points
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
Haven't followed all the rants in here (sorry); but if the above is true, then I might be inclined to add a little rant of my own. Sigh.
Seriously, I think Season 7, in its entirety, will become known as "The season when it became all about lacing their pockets with latinum, and even moar latinum." I don't see *anything* in Season 7 that I look forward to. Everywhere I look, however well I search the place, all I see is Cryptic adding moar ways to make themselves moar money. And often in quite shameful ways.
Funny; I joined almost 3 months ago, right after PWE had taken over. And now I'm already seriously considering quitting.
That's not 100% true .
I'm sure that the desire to monetize everything WAS mixed with the desire to help folks get STF gear which WAS out of reach for a number of players either because of bad luck , laziness or inability to play at STF level .
(and no , I'm not blaming any players here)
Because I mostly play STF's -- I know that compared to most of the Lvl 50 crowd , we too are a minority .
And in this game , it often sucks to be that .
I've read more than enough to form an opinion, and it doesn't look good. Considering the sweeping nature of the changes there's seems to be a lot more afoot than simply trying to keep us giggly, or freshen the mechanics of the game. So yeah, an elaborate mechanism to get us to spend more cash seems likely as hell.
Me too, though I don't want to think about pulling that trigger quite yet. I'd imagine that I'm one of the few people here who saw the first episode of ST in 1966, and every episode/movie since. This being the case, ST:O was an easy choice for me. I don't want to stop playing it.
I agree, but it didn't have to be this way. They could have long since created more quality STF maps, altered the reward system and made it more exciting and fun to play STF's. That didn't happen, and now the development team is telling STF players to go TRIBBLE themselves by erecting a whole new FORCED grind.
I would have been a LOT more receptive to this turn of events if they hadn't decided to rip me off TOO.
20,000 Dilithium for the space borg pieces at Mk X is just WAY to high. That price is insane compared to what they currently are.
The Mk X ground gear costs 6,500 Dil now. That, I can understand compared to the current time it takes to get them.
But this is Tier 1. I shutter at the prices you'll ask at MK XI and XII. To think the Borg gear is worth that. When you already ask for so much dilithium for fleet projects, to even level up the reputation, to buy fleet weapons. Is there any sense of moderation within cryptic?
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You will not see a conversion of your leftover STF items (EDC, Rare Salvage/Tech, Proto Salvage/Tech) UNTIL you reach T5 of the reputation system. Oh and guess what, the Borg engines cost 20k dilithium. That's right Dilithium, as opposed to 5 EDC. For those of you that don't seem to be bothered by the new system, have you actually taken the time to play with it? Do you honestly want to grind Dilithium for one or both reputation systems and have enough to contribute to a starbase?
I have a few characters that are in the middle of having either full XI sets or XII, this new system will take, according to the devs, a couple of months to complete when I could have XI in half that time, or XII if I am lucky. Yes, the argument here is that this will for sure give you the items, but do you really want to wait for a longer period of time when you've probably been saving up the EDC in the hopes of the items being in the store?
This sucks.
^^^^^ This.
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A Eve style boycott doesnt sound so bad now does it.
This is going to crater the Zen-to-DIL exchange once its implemented; I am not sure what the bottom limit is; but I am certain this change is going to hit it (Unless Cryptic props it up by generating DIL constantly to stock the exchange with; it is a virtual commodity after all).
With almost everything in STO requiring some amount of DIL once this update goes though; the Free-to-play players are going to clutch their meagre supplies even more tightly as new personal demands added to starbase demands will considerably outweigh their 8K a day maximum earning capabilities.
Which will dry up that part of your micro-transaction income; after paying lets say 1 Zen to 100 DIL a few times; people are simply just going to get fed up with the terrible exchange rate and with needing to whip out their credit card to buy yet more DIL every single time they want something.
Your lifetime subscribers are going to find that their stipend is virtually worthless once the Zen-to-DIL exchange tanks; and they too will be upset with these changes.
I can speak from personal experience that even with our fleet of 250-300 members; our starbase construction has slowed down considerably as everyone is suffering from a bad case of "Dilithium donation burnout" as-is. Adding yet another huge DIL sink is not going to go over well with any of us.
I fully expect that the DIL demands will be toned down prior to release; the worlds oldest negotiation tactic after all is to start with an unrealistic demand; wait for the screaming and shirt-rending to finsh, then allow yourself to be convinced to adjust it to the level you wanted in the first place; but these changes are just a plain terrible idea, and no amount of adjustment can fix that.
I have also come to the decision that I am just not going to play. Not that I am going to quit STO; I will just simply refuse to use the new STF Omega system. I have my borg gear already; and I will continue to use it. I see no point in sinking considerable DIL/EC/and time into a system to earn once again what I already have earned. I will just remain at Lv 0 until this deeply flawed system is seriously revised or removed.
Holding all borg loot until you reached T5 is way to much. You say its gonna be converted to omega, dil, neural proc and some other thing I don't recall now. Well that sucks big time, why are you holding all that loot for us, why not give us all we can use to reach t5 and withhold only what can only be use at tier 5. The goal is to make those who didn't have mk xii set faster, fine for new players. But what of all those player who played stf for hundred and sometimes more time already. Why can't those player use what they accumulated right away to get working on those new reputation system. Why make them wait.
The other point I don't like is the increase dilitium cost of just about everything. Be it to get or convert doffs, buy borg stuf, reman (romulan) stuf, completing reputation project, starbase project, embassy project, starbase fleet weapons and other stuff. Just by looking at it, we'll need dilitium for just about everything. But we have less dilitium loot from stf, of course a new place to get some from fleet event, starbase 24, gorn, etc.. wich is attached to performance to get more. And we still have the 8k dil a day refining cap. No matter how I look at it, everything will get harder to get because of those dilitium cost.
Like I seen many say in this thread, grind, grind, grind. That will be our lot in life for the next foreseeable future. Grind to get those dilitium. With 1 toon relatively easy, 2 that start to be a lot of work, 3 toons.... I will have to stop working and spend 12 hours a day to be able to get what I will need. Up to now, even if I didn't get 8 k per toon It didn't matter that much because dilitium wasn't such a central part of getting everything but now, there is no way around it, you have to get all the dilitium you can if you want to get those mk XII equipment in a reasonnable amount of time. And if you think I will start converting zen to dil you better think again. I did spend a lot of money since I started playing f2p, ironic isn't it, I have bouhgt 5 tiers 5 ship, 1 tiers 3, and 3 fleet ship a shiload of doff, space for inv, bank, etc.. so I don't mind paying for stuffs and ships that are worth it. But I wont start converting zen to dil to get the new stuf, I guess I won't get any of the new stuff for a long while. I'll just keep what I have now and take my sweet time for the rest and maybe get it for season 8 if ever.
Before we grinded to get those elusive borg prot tech and we got a chance to get them. Now we'll have to grind to get dilitium, lots of it everyday, all the time, more and more dil always to hopefully get my stuf in 2 months but we'll get it for sure at some point.
So, I approve of some of the change, the new romulan stuff and sector. I even approve of the new stf stuff (reputation system) except the dilitium cost which are prohibitive. Find a balance because now its getting where I'm wondering how I'm gonna get 3 toons to reach tier 5 in a timely fashion without spending 12 hours a day to get there.
To finish, my biggest gripe, don't lock away our loot until t5 let us use what we can to level up and keep only what we can't use until Tier 5. Stay consistent with player who spend lots of time accumulating all that loot, let them use some of it as a recognition of the time already spend grinding for it. 2 of my toons are Medal of Honor recipient and the other is getting there (only about 30 to go) all that time spent is now worth nothing until you get to T5 including the loot. The only good thing is the pces of set we have now stay on and keep working as intended (except borg set) so at least we don't loose those.
Right now my option are few if not inexistant, I'll just convert everything to dilitium before the season and get a head start on dil because now I don't see how having stuf in "storage" for a couple month will help me in said couple months, specially if I get new consumable to use for that tiers 5 while grinding to reach Tier5. I'm gonna need the dilitium anyway so it may not be a choice but a necessity unless you change things.
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Kunmal: Tactical fed Klingon, ground specialist, USS Kanewaga
Ka -tet Tier 5 fleet fully completed Starbase and fleet property
While I'm not above the occasional bout with wild accusations and conspiracy theories, I think it probably just means yesterday and the day before were sunday and saturday respectively.