your missing point you can get a mobius with 200$ if you only get 4 lobi, but in each box u are garenteed another item, they are not garenteeing you the ship, same idea with a grab bag I put in 1 rare card and 4 common sports cards and they are random, im not promising anything except thier could be a nice card, its your choice to buy and keep buying to try and get. (You are garenteed 1 rare card and 4 common cards.)
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your missing point you can get a mobius with 200$ if you only get 4 lobi, but in each box u are garenteed another item, they are not garenteeing you the ship, same idea with a grab bag I put in 1 rare card and 4 common sports cards and they are random, im not promising anything except thier could be a nice card, its your choice to buy and keep buying to try and get. (You are garenteed 1 rare card and 4 common cards.)
-Spells
thes other item you talk about stander Doff packs ......... battery packs....... should i keep going on ?????
thes other item you talk about stander Doff packs ......... battery packs....... should i keep going on ?????
oh HAPPY DAY a battery pack
Yes, please do go on.
And please reference each and every Dev Blog regarding the release of lockbox ships.
Also reference how each reward list since the very first lockbox has gotten better based upon community feedback.
You cannot get a battery pack in the most recent lockboxes.
You can however now buy team batteries for stupid low lobi amounts (like 1 and 5)
Please show reference the possible rewards from the latest lockbox, and show me where batteries appear.
So, yes, please do go on, but please include ALL the facts.
Also, please do not ignore immutable proof, such as dictionary definitions of both grab bags (which the lockboxes are) and gambling (which they are not).
If you intend on defending your point. I insist you actually use FACTs, and not opinions or hyperbolic fabrications.
You will notice that your anger isn't legitimate at all. You're assuming that people who say they don't like the lockboxes are saying that the game shouldn't be funded or get no revenue. This is absolutely wrong. Please pay attention to other's posts. You might find some exceptions for sure but the vast majority of the players accept the fact that the servers will be closed if the game doesn't make some money to its owners.
I do not agree with this way to fund the game too, although I'm far less passionnate than most people here about that, since I know that boycotting this system is way more efficient than complaining about it. You'll see my title though, I've given a fair amount of money to the game owners now. The contradiction you are imaginating only exists in your mind.
What I dislike about the lockboxes is that it's a casino and works with people's addictions. You could tell me that the game is funded by pot, crack, or cocaine, I wouldn't see a major difference. You can't deny the fact that many people have some bad addiction to gambling, and they aren't necessarily 'weak', 'stupid', I think it's how humanity works and it's related to desire. The lockboxes are indeed offering vanity, prestige items people may want. If you don't know that and if you don't know how your own desire works, in other words if you're not logical and rational, you may get trapped by this system.
A system relying on human flaws and addictions to make money isn't a good system. That's what many people are saying, with their own words but I'm sure they would agree with what I said.
Looks like after Sept 20th , it was impossible for you to receive batteries from any of the lockboxes.
Don't know how you found batteries.
Unless ... by chance, it was before Sept 20th OR you're making it up. Considering that all batteries were removed from the reward tables Sept 20th, I see no other possibilities.
But let me get to the real point.
The other day , YOU got a pack of 5.
So, let me get this right .
"OH NO ! THE LOCKBOXES ARE ALL GAMBLING ! THEY ARE HORRIBLE ! TERRIBLE ! WORST THING EVER !" You seem to be claiming in what you say in this thread.
So ... why did you open one the other day ?
Where I come from we call that hypocrisy.
I just call it a good reason to stop listening to you.
Have a nice day.
I have embraced them since the last set, when they were first put in the game I was hesitant to keep them, now I have a whole bunch of each im stockpiling for when my stipend comes in.
The best argument against people whining about lockboxes is: "use the Exchange!"
If you don't like the "gambling" aspect to get a ship, then go to the Exchange and spend EC for it.
You can earn enough EC to buy a ship in a month through semi-regular play.
You can get *everything* in *every* lockbox without spending a single penny.
1) Earn dilithium - sell for Zen - buy keys - open box.
2) Earn dilithium - sell for Zen - buy keys - sell for EC - buy and open ship pack.
3) Earn EC - buy and open ship pack.
Considering you can get EVERYTHING in this game without physically handing over money... it's just plain ridiculous to be whinging over this stuff.
I sell keys for ec and then buy what I want out of the lockboxes with that.
Regardless of the arguing about the boxes being gambling, as long as there is a chance element within them, they will always be regarded as gambling by some people.
Should you choose not to accept that, well that is your choice. Although just because you have chosen to think of them as not gambling, that is just as valid as someone who thinks they are gambling.
An opinion is just that, an opinion......
I think more people would buy these items if they knew that when they spent money, they got the item. I don't like the gambling nature of it all.
This is why I think these items that have been in lox boxes, should all be c-store items. You spend money, you buy your Zen, then you buy the item you want and you get it instantly, you are guaranteed to get it. This was the whole point of the c-store.
I don't like spending money, with a random chance to get the item, that is the part of it that I am against.
I will never embrace the greedy gambling scam of lock boxes. The gambling nature of acquiring items is horrible. I will continue to be vocal about my dislike for it. Those items should all be c-store items. I will never like it, accept it, nor keep my mouth shut about it. You will not convince me otherwise.
could not have said it better
after now owning the first 3 LockBox Ships ( 2 bought with Energy Credits, only 1 with money), the novelty has worn off rapidly,
even enough for me that i did not even care for the Ships in the last 2 LockBoxes anymore.
Also the pure amount of Ships that are now in just one LockBox just makes it silly to collect them all, it's not like if i get them all i would see any return of investment (as in USING them).
I have the Jem Hadar Ship almost a year now and what have i actually played with it?
A hand full of space STFs *meh* and maybe 5 ground heavy Story Missions?
Thats not worth the investment at all...
i see pure collectors value and not much else.
Sure they are all nice Ships, even the new ones, but *meh* they aren't anything special anymore and this game has LOTS of Ships by now that are just as cool.
The last 2 sets weren't even canon or realistic to the game setting anymore, Mirror Universe, Timetravel stuff and made up never-on-TV Tholian vessels?
Why would i care to fly around in any of that?
I know some people are purely after their stats and powers and don't care for Canon, well i'm the opposite, i rather fly a epic Sovereign Class with sub par stats than a Tholian Recluse that was never on the TV-Show or whatever.
The Bug Ship, Galor and D'Kora at least were real Star Trek Ships that were fitting to the game setting, they were hard to resist for me.
And now that i have them, *meh* they are just like having any other C-Store ship.
It will be a really really hard for cryptic to peak my interest for more of those.
Well at least the droprates have been reduced enough that i don't feel like being disrupted by advertisements every 5 minutes of gameplay... and that my inventory isn't spammed with the stuff, that just makes it easier to ignore they even exist.
I can *live* with them now,
i can enjoy the game without getting harassed by advertisement filth 24/7,
but i still choose to boycott this gambling System.
If i ever want another LockBox ship i'll just buy it with energy credits.
That might be a bit biased, but i see it like being a vegetarian.
Only because you don't eat the Bacon that is in the super market does not mean that the Pig that the bacon came from has not been killed for it already, so if somebody else opens a LockBox and sells the ship for EC on the exchange, i wont stop it from happening in the future only because i don't take it... and hey it is HIS money wasted, not mine, and i don't have a problem with Cryptic making money with their game.
Doesn't mean i have to like the immoral addictive gambling approach that they are using to exploit the weak customer that has no self control.
I think more people would buy these items if they knew that when they spent money, they got the item. I don't like the gambling nature of it all.
This is why I think these items that have been in lox boxes, should all be c-store items. You spend money, you buy your Zen, then you buy the item you want and you get it instantly, you are guaranteed to get it. This was the whole point of the c-store.
I don't like spending money, with a random chance to get the item, that is the part of it that I am against.
i agree at some put thes ships should be on the Cstore i did the buy keys to sell them on the Exchange in all for all 3 tholian ships i spent 120$ selling the keys
not saying im happy about it but i spent way less money then some do on trying to get thes ships lmao
i agree at some put thes ships should be on the Cstore i did the buy keys to sell them on the Exchange in all for all 3 tholian ships i spent 120$ selling the keys
not saying im happy about it but i spent way less money then some do on trying to get thes ships lmao
You could have got all three without spending any money, if you'd been prepared to wait a few weeks and sell your dilithium.
I get sick of lockbox snark infiltrating every thread.
The jokes aren't funny. The complaints are old. The lockboxes aren't that bad and I think they serve a good role in the game's economy. But even if they were the devil, the complaints about them has lost all novelty for me.
I get sick of the baseless idea that nothing that isn't a lockbox is getting developed, that lockboxes are somehow harmful to the IP (an IP that is proudly plastered over ACTUAL lottery tickets and slot machines), and most of all, seeing lockbox complaints in threads that aren't about lockboxes, derailing things.
The jokes aren't funny. The complaints are mostly baseless or tired or baseless and tired at this point and the principal complaints left are about the idea of lockboxes, not the execution. The complaints seem to generally be paranoid and pessimistic.
It's all been said. Can we as a community just acknowledge they're here and they're a vital part of the game and that the jealousy over the dev attention they receive, overstatement of their impact, and paranoid, knee-jerk, endless badgering over the issue doesn't and will never do one iota of good for anything.
Am I crazy about them? I have mixed feelings. But I'm past the turning point where I find lockboxes less annoying than people who dislike lockboxes.
I didn't think that lock box apologists would go as far as you, but you've crossed a line here. You know what sickens me? That people would rather see STO live even though we know lock boxes might destroy some compulsive person's life. That kind of attitude is the most selfish, arrogant attitude I've ever seen. How are you to presume that all has been said that needs to be said? Japan banned the kampu gacha game mechanic that is very similar to our lock boxes. Lock boxes may even be subject to the publish your odds requirement that U.K. law states must be in place for these type of things. There's a reason entire governments have banned these despicable practices, and you think you know more than an entire country about them?
Gambling and casinos will forever be a plague on societies. They are a tax on the foolish and ignorant, but especially on the poor in which they instill a false sense of hope that things might get better for them. Casinos are statistically proven to cause an average rise of crime in a 5-10 mile radius of the casino that negates any sort of net benefit to the state from collected tax revenue on the casino.
If there is any shred of humanity or sense of decency left in any of us Leviathan, we had better not just swallow or accept lock boxes. What a pathetic state of things if we had come to the point, eh?
Over my dead klingon body that I stop being vocal about these things. I rather see STO tank than have people's lives destroyed because I wanted to continue playing STO like a selfish you know what.
Lastly, don't get preachy about the definition of grab bags and gambling. The definition varies from state to state in the United States, and it's not farfetched to presume that at least one, progressive minded state could start regulating them as gambling or something similar.
Don't take this as an offense or insult towards you Leviathan. It's more to awaken your inner humanity, if anything.
Sorry Knuteb5, but that's the most hilarious thing I've read all day on this forum.
People can be addicted to all sorts of things - that's rarely an excuse to prohibit them. Addictive personalities will become addicted regardless. At the end of the day, people have a choice whether they want to put their credit card details in and make a payment.
Sorry Knuteb5, but that's the most hilarious thing I've read all day on this forum.
People can be addicted to all sorts of things - that's rarely an excuse to prohibit them. Addictive personalities will become addicted regardless. At the end of the day, people have a choice whether they want to put their credit card details in and make a payment.
Same could be said about illicit drugs and prostitution. Your point?
Edit: People also have a choice to collectively decide on lock boxes and gambling. That's called democracy. I think you're talking about unimpeded capitalism which doesn't exist in any country anymore.
Same could be said about illicit drugs and prostitution. Your point?
That is my point. Self control is king, and those who can't exercise it deserve what they get.
Edit: People also have a choice to collectively decide on lock boxes and gambling. That's called democracy.
Yes, and the fact that I can go to the exchange and buy a bunch of Master Keys that *had* to have been bought by people; the fact that the lockbox system is actually working for Cryptic... suggests that people HAVE spoken, and they've spoken in favour of it.
Anyway, the game isn't a democracy. It's a system with a set of rules and requirements, inputs and outputs determined by the developers and publishers. You have a choice whether to play. You have a choice whether to participate in certain systems. You could choose to never open a lockbox, never buy a master key. And that's great. Instead you're choosing to (presumably) never open a lockbox AND whine and moan to those who have chosen otherwise.
I will never embrace the greedy gambling scam of lock boxes. The gambling nature of acquiring items is horrible. I will continue to be vocal about my dislike for it. Those items should all be c-store items. I will never like it, accept it, nor keep my mouth shut about it. You will not convince me otherwise.
Exactly that. I would happily buy ships directly from C-Store rather than through the lock box garbage.
Nope, just a social-liberal. People who suffer real unavoidable tragedies and hardships deserve sympathy. People who don't know when to stop pressing the "buy" button... less so.
Exactly that. I would happily buy ships directly from C-Store rather than through the lock box garbage.
And that's great. Get enough people to actually act on that and you might make a difference. Until then you might as well pretend the lockboxes and their contents don't exist (or else buy them from the Exchange - which everyone here can do) and judge your ongoing subscription/participation in the game based on it's offerings minus the lockboxes.
Pretty easy to do, as I'm sure you already manage.
Nope, just a social-liberal. People who suffer real unavoidable tragedies and hardships deserve sympathy. People who don't know when to stop pressing the "buy" button... less so.
People hade different personalities, educations, and some "tragedies" can lead to specific behaviours. Ignoring (personal) history and society often leads to ludicrous ideas such as this one.
That's not social-liberalism, that's far right anarchism. :rolleyes:
That is my point. Self control is king, and those who can't exercise it deserve what they get.
I'm going to take pro lockbox argument to the logical extreme to prove a point. So, when slavery hadn't yet been abolished, the law of supply and demand in the United States dictated that our farms needed cheap labor in order to succeed economically. So, even if slavery was a morally reprehensible act, it was justified because it saved the tobacco industry hundreds of dollar in money it didn't have to pay to workers?
Also, you're completely ignoring people with mental illnesses or diseases. Some people can't control certain desires without the use of medications. I guess people born with irritable bowel syndrome deserve what they get because they can't exercise self-control. In the same way, somebody with a severe case of obsessive compulsive disorder may not know any better when they start opening up lock boxes and can't stop because they didn't even know what they were getting into. The odds aren't stated, so don't tell me they know what they're getting into.
People are responsible for their own behavior and economic well being, but only to a certain point. That point is when they decide that living collectively and contributing to each other as a society is more beneficial than living on their own. There is such a thing as the common good which people from all sorts of persuasions try to strive for in collective political arrangements. It's why we have laws forbidding kids to work until they are of a certain age or why firing somebody on the basis of race is prohibited.
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and how many box's would i need to open if the ship is 800 and only perbox i get 4?
system Lord Baal is dead
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thes other item you talk about stander Doff packs ......... battery packs....... should i keep going on ?????
oh HAPPY DAY a battery pack
system Lord Baal is dead
Yes, please do go on.
And please reference each and every Dev Blog regarding the release of lockbox ships.
Also reference how each reward list since the very first lockbox has gotten better based upon community feedback.
You cannot get a battery pack in the most recent lockboxes.
You can however now buy team batteries for stupid low lobi amounts (like 1 and 5)
Please show reference the possible rewards from the latest lockbox, and show me where batteries appear.
So, yes, please do go on, but please include ALL the facts.
Also, please do not ignore immutable proof, such as dictionary definitions of both grab bags (which the lockboxes are) and gambling (which they are not).
If you intend on defending your point. I insist you actually use FACTs, and not opinions or hyperbolic fabrications.
funny you say that because the other day i got a pack of 5
system Lord Baal is dead
From which kind of lockbox ?
Because here is the information on the temporal lockbox rewards.
The latest iteration.
http://www.stowiki.org/Temporal_Lock_Box
the NEW ONE duh
system Lord Baal is dead
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-Spells
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I do not agree with this way to fund the game too, although I'm far less passionnate than most people here about that, since I know that boycotting this system is way more efficient than complaining about it. You'll see my title though, I've given a fair amount of money to the game owners now. The contradiction you are imaginating only exists in your mind.
What I dislike about the lockboxes is that it's a casino and works with people's addictions. You could tell me that the game is funded by pot, crack, or cocaine, I wouldn't see a major difference. You can't deny the fact that many people have some bad addiction to gambling, and they aren't necessarily 'weak', 'stupid', I think it's how humanity works and it's related to desire. The lockboxes are indeed offering vanity, prestige items people may want. If you don't know that and if you don't know how your own desire works, in other words if you're not logical and rational, you may get trapped by this system.
A system relying on human flaws and addictions to make money isn't a good system. That's what many people are saying, with their own words but I'm sure they would agree with what I said.
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http://www.stowiki.org/Cardassian_Lock_Box
http://www.stowiki.org/Cardassian_Lock_Box_%E2%80%93_Gold
http://www.stowiki.org/Ferengi_Lock_Box
http://www.stowiki.org/Ferengi_Lock_Box_-_Gold
http://www.stowiki.org/Tholian_Lock_Box
http://www.stowiki.org/Temporal_Lock_Box
Looks like after Sept 20th , it was impossible for you to receive batteries from any of the lockboxes.
Don't know how you found batteries.
Unless ... by chance, it was before Sept 20th OR you're making it up. Considering that all batteries were removed from the reward tables Sept 20th, I see no other possibilities.
But let me get to the real point.
The other day , YOU got a pack of 5.
So, let me get this right .
"OH NO ! THE LOCKBOXES ARE ALL GAMBLING ! THEY ARE HORRIBLE ! TERRIBLE ! WORST THING EVER !" You seem to be claiming in what you say in this thread.
So ... why did you open one the other day ?
Where I come from we call that hypocrisy.
I just call it a good reason to stop listening to you.
Have a nice day.
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If you don't like the "gambling" aspect to get a ship, then go to the Exchange and spend EC for it.
You can earn enough EC to buy a ship in a month through semi-regular play.
You can get *everything* in *every* lockbox without spending a single penny.
1) Earn dilithium - sell for Zen - buy keys - open box.
2) Earn dilithium - sell for Zen - buy keys - sell for EC - buy and open ship pack.
3) Earn EC - buy and open ship pack.
Considering you can get EVERYTHING in this game without physically handing over money... it's just plain ridiculous to be whinging over this stuff.
I sell keys for ec and then buy what I want out of the lockboxes with that.
Regardless of the arguing about the boxes being gambling, as long as there is a chance element within them, they will always be regarded as gambling by some people.
Should you choose not to accept that, well that is your choice. Although just because you have chosen to think of them as not gambling, that is just as valid as someone who thinks they are gambling.
An opinion is just that, an opinion......
This is why I think these items that have been in lox boxes, should all be c-store items. You spend money, you buy your Zen, then you buy the item you want and you get it instantly, you are guaranteed to get it. This was the whole point of the c-store.
I don't like spending money, with a random chance to get the item, that is the part of it that I am against.
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could not have said it better
after now owning the first 3 LockBox Ships ( 2 bought with Energy Credits, only 1 with money), the novelty has worn off rapidly,
even enough for me that i did not even care for the Ships in the last 2 LockBoxes anymore.
Also the pure amount of Ships that are now in just one LockBox just makes it silly to collect them all, it's not like if i get them all i would see any return of investment (as in USING them).
I have the Jem Hadar Ship almost a year now and what have i actually played with it?
A hand full of space STFs *meh* and maybe 5 ground heavy Story Missions?
Thats not worth the investment at all...
i see pure collectors value and not much else.
Sure they are all nice Ships, even the new ones, but *meh* they aren't anything special anymore and this game has LOTS of Ships by now that are just as cool.
The last 2 sets weren't even canon or realistic to the game setting anymore, Mirror Universe, Timetravel stuff and made up never-on-TV Tholian vessels?
Why would i care to fly around in any of that?
I know some people are purely after their stats and powers and don't care for Canon, well i'm the opposite, i rather fly a epic Sovereign Class with sub par stats than a Tholian Recluse that was never on the TV-Show or whatever.
The Bug Ship, Galor and D'Kora at least were real Star Trek Ships that were fitting to the game setting, they were hard to resist for me.
And now that i have them, *meh* they are just like having any other C-Store ship.
It will be a really really hard for cryptic to peak my interest for more of those.
Well at least the droprates have been reduced enough that i don't feel like being disrupted by advertisements every 5 minutes of gameplay... and that my inventory isn't spammed with the stuff, that just makes it easier to ignore they even exist.
I can *live* with them now,
i can enjoy the game without getting harassed by advertisement filth 24/7,
but i still choose to boycott this gambling System.
If i ever want another LockBox ship i'll just buy it with energy credits.
That might be a bit biased, but i see it like being a vegetarian.
Only because you don't eat the Bacon that is in the super market does not mean that the Pig that the bacon came from has not been killed for it already, so if somebody else opens a LockBox and sells the ship for EC on the exchange, i wont stop it from happening in the future only because i don't take it... and hey it is HIS money wasted, not mine, and i don't have a problem with Cryptic making money with their game.
Doesn't mean i have to like the immoral addictive gambling approach that they are using to exploit the weak customer that has no self control.
i agree at some put thes ships should be on the Cstore i did the buy keys to sell them on the Exchange in all for all 3 tholian ships i spent 120$ selling the keys
not saying im happy about it but i spent way less money then some do on trying to get thes ships lmao
system Lord Baal is dead
You could have got all three without spending any money, if you'd been prepared to wait a few weeks and sell your dilithium.
I didn't think that lock box apologists would go as far as you, but you've crossed a line here. You know what sickens me? That people would rather see STO live even though we know lock boxes might destroy some compulsive person's life. That kind of attitude is the most selfish, arrogant attitude I've ever seen. How are you to presume that all has been said that needs to be said? Japan banned the kampu gacha game mechanic that is very similar to our lock boxes. Lock boxes may even be subject to the publish your odds requirement that U.K. law states must be in place for these type of things. There's a reason entire governments have banned these despicable practices, and you think you know more than an entire country about them?
Gambling and casinos will forever be a plague on societies. They are a tax on the foolish and ignorant, but especially on the poor in which they instill a false sense of hope that things might get better for them. Casinos are statistically proven to cause an average rise of crime in a 5-10 mile radius of the casino that negates any sort of net benefit to the state from collected tax revenue on the casino.
If there is any shred of humanity or sense of decency left in any of us Leviathan, we had better not just swallow or accept lock boxes. What a pathetic state of things if we had come to the point, eh?
Over my dead klingon body that I stop being vocal about these things. I rather see STO tank than have people's lives destroyed because I wanted to continue playing STO like a selfish you know what.
Lastly, don't get preachy about the definition of grab bags and gambling. The definition varies from state to state in the United States, and it's not farfetched to presume that at least one, progressive minded state could start regulating them as gambling or something similar.
Don't take this as an offense or insult towards you Leviathan. It's more to awaken your inner humanity, if anything.
sorry grinding for weeks on end to get one ship like i did for STF gear is not my type of fun
system Lord Baal is dead
People can be addicted to all sorts of things - that's rarely an excuse to prohibit them. Addictive personalities will become addicted regardless. At the end of the day, people have a choice whether they want to put their credit card details in and make a payment.
Well then don't grind, and just acquire the 1 or 2m a day you can easily earn from a half hour or so of play. Impatience made you spend that money.
Same could be said about illicit drugs and prostitution. Your point?
Edit: People also have a choice to collectively decide on lock boxes and gambling. That's called democracy. I think you're talking about unimpeded capitalism which doesn't exist in any country anymore.
That is my point. Self control is king, and those who can't exercise it deserve what they get.
Yes, and the fact that I can go to the exchange and buy a bunch of Master Keys that *had* to have been bought by people; the fact that the lockbox system is actually working for Cryptic... suggests that people HAVE spoken, and they've spoken in favour of it.
Anyway, the game isn't a democracy. It's a system with a set of rules and requirements, inputs and outputs determined by the developers and publishers. You have a choice whether to play. You have a choice whether to participate in certain systems. You could choose to never open a lockbox, never buy a master key. And that's great. Instead you're choosing to (presumably) never open a lockbox AND whine and moan to those who have chosen otherwise.
It just comes across as a bit silly.
You'd make an excellent sociopath.
Exactly that. I would happily buy ships directly from C-Store rather than through the lock box garbage.
Nope, just a social-liberal. People who suffer real unavoidable tragedies and hardships deserve sympathy. People who don't know when to stop pressing the "buy" button... less so.
And that's great. Get enough people to actually act on that and you might make a difference. Until then you might as well pretend the lockboxes and their contents don't exist (or else buy them from the Exchange - which everyone here can do) and judge your ongoing subscription/participation in the game based on it's offerings minus the lockboxes.
Pretty easy to do, as I'm sure you already manage.
People hade different personalities, educations, and some "tragedies" can lead to specific behaviours. Ignoring (personal) history and society often leads to ludicrous ideas such as this one.
That's not social-liberalism, that's far right anarchism. :rolleyes:
God, lvl 60 CW. 17k.
I'm going to take pro lockbox argument to the logical extreme to prove a point. So, when slavery hadn't yet been abolished, the law of supply and demand in the United States dictated that our farms needed cheap labor in order to succeed economically. So, even if slavery was a morally reprehensible act, it was justified because it saved the tobacco industry hundreds of dollar in money it didn't have to pay to workers?
Also, you're completely ignoring people with mental illnesses or diseases. Some people can't control certain desires without the use of medications. I guess people born with irritable bowel syndrome deserve what they get because they can't exercise self-control. In the same way, somebody with a severe case of obsessive compulsive disorder may not know any better when they start opening up lock boxes and can't stop because they didn't even know what they were getting into. The odds aren't stated, so don't tell me they know what they're getting into.
People are responsible for their own behavior and economic well being, but only to a certain point. That point is when they decide that living collectively and contributing to each other as a society is more beneficial than living on their own. There is such a thing as the common good which people from all sorts of persuasions try to strive for in collective political arrangements. It's why we have laws forbidding kids to work until they are of a certain age or why firing somebody on the basis of race is prohibited.