A good number of people's issue is with the fact that 29th century timeships are in the game.
It doesn't matter if I, for example, don't purchase lockbox keys - thousands of other players will and these stupid timeships will be everywhere.
Maybe if you worried about your own game, and not what everyone else was flying you would not notice as much.
Also I see more federation and Klingon ships from c store ships then I ever see lockbox ships, yeah I see a bunch but not as much as I see odyssey class ships or other non lock box ships.
thousands of other players will and these stupid timeships will be everywhere.
So the thousands of ignorant fools who don't know that the game is meant to be played according to a specific set of standards are going to ruin it for the few who play this game due to it's strict adherence to continuity in the Star Trek Universe?
Sorry but to put it bluntly... that ship has long since sailed...
A good number of people's issue is with the fact that 29th century timeships are in the game.
It doesn't matter if I, for example, don't purchase lockbox keys - thousands of other players will and these stupid timeships will be everywhere.
*Facepalm*
Remember that nerd kid from Galaxy Quest? Well, don't be like him! I've seen people complain in ESD zone too, about the Delta Flyer apparently having 2x aft weapons (whereas ingame it has none). LOL. Who cares?!
Lemme spell it out for you: people *love* time travel! And the most popular Star Trek episiodes ever are the ones involving time travel. So, lore, smore! This is a game. And I want the cute things in-game that were in-series. Simple as that.
So, whatever story the devs spin to make up for a half-way plausible rationale, I'm game. Cardies decided to give a few Galor ships to the Federation to help combat the Dominion? Sure, why not! Jem'Hadar simply left a few jemmies adrift in space?! No problemo! As long as I can fly one. Tholians and thin space causing dimensional ships to appear in our space! Hell ya!
Tl;dr: I want the time ships! Yesterday rather than today (and with time ships, that should be feasible, hehe). So, start cracking these babies out, devs! Soon!
Really? It's possibly the worst, unimaginiatve, fluff I've seen from anything that uses the Trek trademark.
Firstly, Tholian space was never actually stated as being unstable - the Tholians obtained the Constitution-class USS Defiant by detonating a tri-cobalt warhead inside the gravity well of a dead star, which opened an interphasic rift. Sadly, the STO fluff implies that these rifts are occurring independantly.
Secondly - and probably my biggest issues with this fluff - the whole ridiculous thing about 'Daredevil profiteers' grabbing these ships. Absolutely Rubbish of the highest degree! A: the Tholian's have been SHOWN to be extremely xenophobic and would simply blast the stupid Ferengi out of the stars, let alone let them enter their space, nab a starship from the far future, and run off so that they can sell said ships to a organisation that the Tholians consider to be an ememy!
Thirdly: Future tech removed. Okay, fine - but this is a ship from the 29th century, probably built from metals and elements unknown to 2409 science. For this 'explaination' to carry ANY credibility would require the ship to be a new build based on a single 29th century timeship. If you sent the HMS Dragon back in time several hundred years, stripped of it's internals, you'd still be presenting whoever finds it with armor that they didn't previously have access to.
And I'm not interested in the 'take canon too seriously' comments - this game is supposed to be Star Trek, and is progressively becoming less and less like it.
Well, I certainly don't care about whether you're a gold player....
1: Tholian space has NEVER been shown in canon!!!!! EVER!!! So STO is free to make up anything they want. And IN CANON we know that Tholians aren't shy when it comes to mucking about with the structure of space.
2: Ferengi aren't helpless. They're greedy amoral trolls(as a general rule). But they survive to make a buck by avoiding death at all costs.
3: The Temporal Prime Directive isn't worth the imaginary paper it isn't printed on... We have only one "source" for it and other sources seem to ignore it freely. Thus I must conclude that IF the Temporal Prime Directive is an actual rule and not just a made up excuse, not all time travelling not-Federation but human organizations actually bother with it.
you remind me of all those peeps who complained about how Enterprise "ignored canon" or are you one of them?
So how many of the people in this thread and others that say they are going to quit playing STO over this lock-box actually will?
And if you do can I have all unbound items and EC?
I don't plan on quitting, though it has come the closest with this gamble box.
What I can do however is stop spending money on this game.
I would rather the ip not be dragged backwards though a hedge, but then cryptic seem intent on doing just that, which all I can say to that is so be it...
Thirdly: Future tech removed. Okay, fine - but this is a ship from the 29th century, probably built from metals and elements unknown to 2409 science. For this 'explaination' to carry ANY credibility would require the ship to be a new build based on a single 29th century timeship. If you sent the HMS Dragon back in time several hundred years, stripped of it's internals, you'd still be presenting whoever finds it with armor that they didn't previously have access to.
That's funny. I don't want to try to convince you because obviously no one can but as an historian I can tell you that many technical elements didn't evolve in centuries. Not even a bit. So I don't get why hulls should have incredibly evolved even in a distant sci-fi future. History and progresses aren't linear at all and many times no technical progresses are made in huge amounts of time.
And I'm not interested in the 'take canon too seriously' comments - this game is supposed to be Star Trek, and is progressively becoming less and less like it.
You were talking about 'Star Trek -- the series'. This, however, is 'Star Trek -- the game' -- not necessarily the same thing. And maybe one day we'll see 'Star Trek -- the placemats'. Or 'Star Trek -- the flame thrower' (the kids will love that one!).
In short: lighten up! In a few days we're gonna have shiny new ships! And if you wanna rage-quit over it, well, as we used to say in EVE: "Can I haz your stuff?" LOL.
Yes, I'm in a good mood. I've really been looking forward to these ships, and they're gonna enhance my STO experience greatly -- and all for the better.
That's funny. I don't want to try to convince you because obviously no one can but as an historian I can tell you that many technical elements didn't evolve in centuries. Not even a bit. So I don't get why hulls should have incredibly evolved even in a distant sci-fi future. History and progresses aren't linear at all and many times no technical progresses are made in huge amounts of time.
For an historian it's odd you forgot the future (yes, I know) in which Janeway brought a new and improved ship with Ablative armor, to combat a Borg Queen.
The above is not to 'prove' the future always brings progress, of course; but, from a game-mechanics' perspective, there's no point in introducing anything from the future that isn't half-way, erm, futuristic.
So, hull material will probably have evolved Enterprise's primitive hull-plating a bit. So? Maybe a stronger hull material caused the makers to go for *thinner* hulls instead, so as to make their ships go faster (works that way in EVE). So it would all more or less even out in the end. You need but a small bit of imagination to make that work in your mind. And a bit of good will, of course. And I suspect the latter is missing somewhat.
3: Who said anything about the temporal prime directive? My comment was that the excuse about the timeships containing no internal 29th century tech doesn't change the fact that the superstructure would consist of 29th century metals/elements.
The question is why Starfleet would object to that.
1: Never shown in canon eh? See 'In a Mirror Darkly' where we at least saw Mirror Tholian space (the Vintaak system - where the Constitution class Defiant was being held). It's very likely that the Vintaak system is in Tholian space in the regular universe too.
this is the same Vintaak system where they opened a rift between dimensions..... I never said there weren't ANY normal parts to Tholian space, just that we have no proof that Tholian space is normal as a general rule.
Either way though, Vintaak wasn't seen in much detail, just the gasgiant and the asteroid-ish moons.
omfg i really hope they only named "sience" ship and are good for tactics, everytime this stupid boxes contain sience ships, cruisers, and damn shuttles plz give us tactic characters some usefull ship like the jem hadar at christmas -.-
Fergengi ship, cardasian ship, thalon ship.....you only see them a few days and then they disapear in a dark deep hangar because they are all TRIBBLE
If you're hoping that the Wells Timeship will be good for tactical captains, it might be in the right hands - dedicated Lieutenant combined with the option of slotting tac BOffs in one of the (or both) universal slots means it can be a decent tactical ship, but if you go with 3 Tac BOffs on the timeship you'll have no engineering (well, one ensign slot...). Biggest problem I see for the big time Tacticals is the 3/3 weapons loadout and the inability to slot heavy cannons, but it's maneuverable enough to at least use DBBs forward...
If you slot an engie BOff in one of the universal slots this gives you access to Auxiliary to weapons which at least allows the use of some of the +15 aux to go into weapons for short bursts...
Outside of that, as a tactical, you might want to focus more on the Temporal Destroyer(s) than the Wells class "grand prize". They have a stat board comparable to an escort class more than the Wells science ship does. And, it's a lobi ship, so it should be available after opening ~200 lockboxes...
Detecting big-time "anti-old-school" bias here. NX? Lobi. TOS/TMP Connie? Super-promotion-box. (aka the two hardest ways to get ships) Excelsior & all 3 TNG "big hero" ships? C-Store. Please Equalize...
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Can keep the new ships tbh....all I want is the 'proper' interiors for my NX Class, my Delta Flyer, and my Type-F shuttle. Seriously, the F class is considerably smaller than a Danube, yet they have the same size bridge??
Only ever opened 1 box...and all I got was 4 Lobi's and some dual system thingys....yet a friend opened his first ever box and got an Orb Weaver!!
I have spent real money on the TOS Connie and the TOS bundle, but keys are such a money pit imo...
Though I feel little need to point this out, this is - oddly enough - a MMO, meaning that a LOT of the game involves cooperative play with others.
It's difficult NOT to notice such things when you enter an STF and find yourself with three players flying 'ship of the month' with pretty rainbow beams and subsequently prove that they have little or no idea how to use them.
That has nothing to do with lockbox ships, being as people with rainbow guns will fly anything. :eek:
You said you will not buy these ships, so right there you should not care what other players spend their hard earn money on, or fake hard earn money on. :cool:
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So funny. every time a new update happens, there is this whole pile of doom and gloom posts from people saying something to the effect of "This is the end of the game... no one will play this, no one will pay for this, blah blah blah."
Yet.
The number of players isn't in massive decline. I'd wager the profit they're making is more than adequate. People aren't abandoning STO in droves. As a matter of fact, I doubt most of the people who post things like "that's it, this is the last straw, I quit because this patch is terrible" actually do quit. In fact, I'd bet there's a good portion who then go read about the new stuff and immediately buy a bunch of Zen and get it. Or in the case of the lockboxes, try to get it anyway...
<_< I mean, really. How about all you complainers write up a proposal for a project and submit it to them. I don't mean a 2 sentence, "hey, wouldn't it be cool if..." thing, I mean a real project plan, with story boards, hours required for design, hours required for coding, hours required for content development and editing, hours required for proofing and QA and a detailed plan of action for each of those items.
Start now, and in a month when your complaining TRIBBLE$ hasn't event gotten past the abstract because you don't know the first thing about game development, maybe you'll either just quit like you've threatened, or you'll have a better respect for the amount of effort requirement to put a game like this together. BTW, I'm not just talking about something I know nothing about -- 12 years ago my first job out of college was web developer working for a small company that had their own MMO, I was responsible for building and managing the online community site among other things -- you people are no different than the players from a decade ago.. always complaining, but still paying and never actually going away when you threaten to do so. Really. you should go away and let those of us who want to play this game in peace without all the whiners and who respect the developers for all the work they do even when it doesn't satisfy our personal needs or wants, but still enriches the game anyway.
Don't like the timeship idea? fine. don't use it. Don't like the lockboxes? fine. don't open them, don't buy/sell keys, discard them and sure as hell don't profit off them by selling them. Don't like STO? Go away and leave the rest of us alone.
They just did the Regent, Armitage and are working on Vesta (confirmed) and possibly the Ambassador (would fit well with the S7 tholian-timetravel theme). Plus we've just got numerous Fleet ships, including refits. Yet you still ask for more?
Yes how about some ACTUAL science vessels for kdf and not the only 1 or 2 that you can get from store or the Voh'quv carrier?
Simply sad of cryptic to introduce new ships to the stupid lockbox system. Just another way for them to gouge the public into paying more money for stuff. I thought this game is free play but if you want anything time to gouge the old pocket book. I dont have nay problem paying for something unique, but have to spend suppose a hundred dollars to get one ship because it might or might not drop out of a lockbox is a poor idea in my opinion. Not everybody has hundreds of dollars to dump into these lockbox keys. So it kicks all the lower class people who cannot afford all those keys to get a unique item. So it would be nice if perhaps there was a unique mission or DOFF mission to get keys, but that wont happen because again they cannot gouge the pocket book. I personally am about to just quit and go to something else. I just cannot handle Cryptic saying we have great new stuff but WAIT : without your pocket book you cant have it. If even then said people do get these great ships they are priced so high on the exchange they are not affordable on there either so it really is a mute point to launch things always on such great scale when they are hardly affordable to most people because of the stupid lock box system
If they make something idiot proof. They will come out with better idiots
and you're complaining about people complaining about people complaining... and if you don't like reading about people complaining about people complaining, well you see how that's a two way street there
No, you simply dont understand what "complaining" means. To put it simply, it means to voice dissatisfaction about something. starcommando101 was obviously unhappy with people complaining. However, I am not unhappy about him complaining, and I in fact like to read it. Why? Because then I get to point out his hypocrisy. So yeah, your going to have to try a lot harder than that to trip me up with my own words
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Maybe if you worried about your own game, and not what everyone else was flying you would not notice as much.
Also I see more federation and Klingon ships from c store ships then I ever see lockbox ships, yeah I see a bunch but not as much as I see odyssey class ships or other non lock box ships.
And so are you, since you are complaining about other people complaining.
And if you dont like the complaining, dont read it.
So the thousands of ignorant fools who don't know that the game is meant to be played according to a specific set of standards are going to ruin it for the few who play this game due to it's strict adherence to continuity in the Star Trek Universe?
Sorry but to put it bluntly... that ship has long since sailed...
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And if you do can I have all unbound items and EC?
*Facepalm*
Remember that nerd kid from Galaxy Quest? Well, don't be like him!
Lemme spell it out for you: people *love* time travel! And the most popular Star Trek episiodes ever are the ones involving time travel. So, lore, smore! This is a game. And I want the cute things in-game that were in-series. Simple as that.
So, whatever story the devs spin to make up for a half-way plausible rationale, I'm game. Cardies decided to give a few Galor ships to the Federation to help combat the Dominion? Sure, why not! Jem'Hadar simply left a few jemmies adrift in space?! No problemo! As long as I can fly one.
Tl;dr: I want the time ships! Yesterday rather than today (and with time ships, that should be feasible, hehe). So, start cracking these babies out, devs! Soon!
1: Tholian space has NEVER been shown in canon!!!!! EVER!!! So STO is free to make up anything they want. And IN CANON we know that Tholians aren't shy when it comes to mucking about with the structure of space.
2: Ferengi aren't helpless. They're greedy amoral trolls(as a general rule). But they survive to make a buck by avoiding death at all costs.
3: The Temporal Prime Directive isn't worth the imaginary paper it isn't printed on... We have only one "source" for it and other sources seem to ignore it freely. Thus I must conclude that IF the Temporal Prime Directive is an actual rule and not just a made up excuse, not all time travelling not-Federation but human organizations actually bother with it.
you remind me of all those peeps who complained about how Enterprise "ignored canon" or are you one of them?
My character Tsin'xing
I don't plan on quitting, though it has come the closest with this gamble box.
What I can do however is stop spending money on this game.
I would rather the ip not be dragged backwards though a hedge, but then cryptic seem intent on doing just that, which all I can say to that is so be it...
That's funny. I don't want to try to convince you because obviously no one can but as an historian I can tell you that many technical elements didn't evolve in centuries. Not even a bit. So I don't get why hulls should have incredibly evolved even in a distant sci-fi future. History and progresses aren't linear at all and many times no technical progresses are made in huge amounts of time.
God, lvl 60 CW. 17k.
You were talking about 'Star Trek -- the series'. This, however, is 'Star Trek -- the game' -- not necessarily the same thing. And maybe one day we'll see 'Star Trek -- the placemats'. Or 'Star Trek -- the flame thrower' (the kids will love that one!).
In short: lighten up! In a few days we're gonna have shiny new ships! And if you wanna rage-quit over it, well, as we used to say in EVE: "Can I haz your stuff?" LOL.
Yes, I'm in a good mood. I've really been looking forward to these ships, and they're gonna enhance my STO experience greatly -- and all for the better.
For an historian it's odd you forgot the future (yes, I know) in which Janeway brought a new and improved ship with Ablative armor, to combat a Borg Queen.
The above is not to 'prove' the future always brings progress, of course; but, from a game-mechanics' perspective, there's no point in introducing anything from the future that isn't half-way, erm, futuristic.
So, hull material will probably have evolved Enterprise's primitive hull-plating a bit. So? Maybe a stronger hull material caused the makers to go for *thinner* hulls instead, so as to make their ships go faster (works that way in EVE). So it would all more or less even out in the end. You need but a small bit of imagination to make that work in your mind. And a bit of good will, of course. And I suspect the latter is missing somewhat.
The question is why Starfleet would object to that.
Either way though, Vintaak wasn't seen in much detail, just the gasgiant and the asteroid-ish moons.
My character Tsin'xing
If you're hoping that the Wells Timeship will be good for tactical captains, it might be in the right hands - dedicated Lieutenant combined with the option of slotting tac BOffs in one of the (or both) universal slots means it can be a decent tactical ship, but if you go with 3 Tac BOffs on the timeship you'll have no engineering (well, one ensign slot...). Biggest problem I see for the big time Tacticals is the 3/3 weapons loadout and the inability to slot heavy cannons, but it's maneuverable enough to at least use DBBs forward...
If you slot an engie BOff in one of the universal slots this gives you access to Auxiliary to weapons which at least allows the use of some of the +15 aux to go into weapons for short bursts...
Outside of that, as a tactical, you might want to focus more on the Temporal Destroyer(s) than the Wells class "grand prize". They have a stat board comparable to an escort class more than the Wells science ship does. And, it's a lobi ship, so it should be available after opening ~200 lockboxes...
To rob a line: [quote: Mariemaia Kushrenada] Forum Posting is much like an endless waltz. The three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever. However, opinions will change upon the reading of my post.[/quote]
Only ever opened 1 box...and all I got was 4 Lobi's and some dual system thingys....yet a friend opened his first ever box and got an Orb Weaver!!
I have spent real money on the TOS Connie and the TOS bundle, but keys are such a money pit imo...
Cheers,
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That has nothing to do with lockbox ships, being as people with rainbow guns will fly anything. :eek:
You said you will not buy these ships, so right there you should not care what other players spend their hard earn money on, or fake hard earn money on. :cool:
and you're complaining about people complaining about people complaining
and if you don't like reading about people complaining about people complaining, well you see how that's a two way street there
Still no notice on Lobi costs for these items?
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Three years and still no Captain Klaa hair...
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So funny. every time a new update happens, there is this whole pile of doom and gloom posts from people saying something to the effect of "This is the end of the game... no one will play this, no one will pay for this, blah blah blah."
Yet.
The number of players isn't in massive decline. I'd wager the profit they're making is more than adequate. People aren't abandoning STO in droves. As a matter of fact, I doubt most of the people who post things like "that's it, this is the last straw, I quit because this patch is terrible" actually do quit. In fact, I'd bet there's a good portion who then go read about the new stuff and immediately buy a bunch of Zen and get it. Or in the case of the lockboxes, try to get it anyway...
<_< I mean, really. How about all you complainers write up a proposal for a project and submit it to them. I don't mean a 2 sentence, "hey, wouldn't it be cool if..." thing, I mean a real project plan, with story boards, hours required for design, hours required for coding, hours required for content development and editing, hours required for proofing and QA and a detailed plan of action for each of those items.
Start now, and in a month when your complaining TRIBBLE$ hasn't event gotten past the abstract because you don't know the first thing about game development, maybe you'll either just quit like you've threatened, or you'll have a better respect for the amount of effort requirement to put a game like this together. BTW, I'm not just talking about something I know nothing about -- 12 years ago my first job out of college was web developer working for a small company that had their own MMO, I was responsible for building and managing the online community site among other things -- you people are no different than the players from a decade ago.. always complaining, but still paying and never actually going away when you threaten to do so. Really. you should go away and let those of us who want to play this game in peace without all the whiners and who respect the developers for all the work they do even when it doesn't satisfy our personal needs or wants, but still enriches the game anyway.
Don't like the timeship idea? fine. don't use it. Don't like the lockboxes? fine. don't open them, don't buy/sell keys, discard them and sure as hell don't profit off them by selling them. Don't like STO? Go away and leave the rest of us alone.
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Yes how about some ACTUAL science vessels for kdf and not the only 1 or 2 that you can get from store or the Voh'quv carrier?
They finally found admiral archers prized beagle.
Someone tell scotty!
No, you simply dont understand what "complaining" means. To put it simply, it means to voice dissatisfaction about something. starcommando101 was obviously unhappy with people complaining. However, I am not unhappy about him complaining, and I in fact like to read it. Why? Because then I get to point out his hypocrisy. So yeah, your going to have to try a lot harder than that to trip me up with my own words
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