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  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    z0gra wrote: »

    DO I LOOK LIKE AN IDIOT? keep paying to loose?

    Who said we had to keep throwing money at them?
    I said to let them know we are paying customers, a potential profit source in STO that can be courted if they do it right and stop with the biased gameplay marketing.
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  • z0graz0gra Member Posts: 113 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Yeah and I just check the STO Homepage. Feds get a new uniform for the tailor and the KDF gets NOTHING AGAIN.

    Ok i can live with that it least it wont affect the balance at pvp.

    but sharing the plasma leech console when its the only last decent unique console KDF got.

    From a pay to win it will be pay to loose no matter how much you pay in KDF side.

    WRONG!
  • lordmalak1lordmalak1 Member Posts: 4,681 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    rrincy wrote: »
    God the level or rage in this thread is astronomical , and over what ? a single starship console ? jesus christ :rolleyes:

    out of all the things wrong with the way cryptic has done with the KDF , the vandals uni console is pretty far down the list if you ask me , hardly worth quitting over a rumour

    besides , every KDF console that makes it into the box gets one in return from the fed side , so its not like your console is being stolen and you get nothing in return :rolleyes: instead of bemoaning the rumoured loss of a console to a lockbox , think what could potentially be in from the feds in return.. Nadeon Detonator? Ionized Gas Sensor? hell even Enhanced Plasma Manifold or Tachyon Detection Field are up for grabs

    chill out

    I think you're missing the point, it's not about it being a 1:1 trade for consoles, it's about the feds getting consoles they shouldn't have and saying it's OK since they got a console in trade (thats completely useless to the faction).

    example: Ionized gas sensor is ONLY used against cloaked ships- how many cloaked ships do the Feds have ? Tachyon detection grid is ONLY used to get a ship to de-cloak- again, how useful is it gonna be against the feds cloaks (1 or 2 ships) ?

    Next- the feds will insist that a cloak be available to every ship (wait- they already want that), so that the useless consoles you suggest trading for the KDF consoles will appear to have some value to the KDF.
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  • spartangamerspartangamer Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    lordmalak1 wrote: »
    Next- the feds will insist that a cloak be available to every ship (wait- they already want that), so that the useless consoles you suggest trading for the KDF consoles will appear to have some value to the KDF.

    Now don't go giving Cryptic ideas.
  • rrincyrrincy Member Posts: 1,023
    edited August 2012
    lordmalak1 wrote: »
    I think you're missing the point, it's not about it being a 1:1 trade for consoles, it's about the feds getting consoles they shouldn't have and saying it's OK since they got a console in trade (thats completely useless to the faction).

    example: Ionized gas sensor is ONLY used against cloaked ships- how many cloaked ships do the Feds have ? Tachyon detection grid is ONLY used to get a ship to de-cloak- again, how useful is it gonna be against the feds cloaks (1 or 2 ships) ?

    Next- the feds will insist that a cloak be available to every ship (wait- they already want that), so that the useless consoles you suggest trading for the KDF consoles will appear to have some value to the KDF.

    I understand the point, i know a pirate console would make bugger all sense to a federation ship , im just saying that if cryptic want to do it , theres not much anyone can do about it , getting mad and raging at it doesnt help in the long run , and may in fact be counterproductive

    and as for the consoles i mentioned , i was only giving a few examples of outstanding fed consoles that havent been thrown into the hungry maw that is the lockbox system .
    And speaking of cloaking , i really fecking hope there arent any more fed cloaking devices :confused: to be honest shouldnt have any at all really , cant speak for the dread , but the defiants was a unique loan
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  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    z0gra wrote: »

    From a pay to win it will be pay to loose no matter how much you pay in KDF side.

    WRONG!

    Damn straight its wrong. Thats why we need to continue voicing why its wrong.
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  • spartangamerspartangamer Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    rrincy wrote: »
    I was only giving an example , and i really fecking hope there arent any more fed cloaking devices :confused: to be honest shouldnt have any at all really , cant speak for the dread , but the defiants was a unique loan

    I can see by the end of the year the Feds getting a Battle Cloak equipped ship that mounts cannons (7 weap slots, 4 fore, 3 aft), turns as fast as a BoP, and has as much hull as a Escort Carrier and then after getting that they still want a more powerful ship.
  • rrincyrrincy Member Posts: 1,023
    edited August 2012
    christ i hope not , though the sad part is there are players that would want such a ship * cough* levi * cough* :rolleyes:
    im still hoping they'll do a KDF escort carrier for feresans
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  • lordmalak1lordmalak1 Member Posts: 4,681 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    rrincy wrote: »
    I understand the point, i know a pirate console would make bugger all sense to a federation ship , im just saying that if cryptic want to do it , theres not much anyone can do about it , getting mad and raging at it doesnt help in the long run , and may in fact be counterproductive

    and as for the consoles i mentioned , i was only giving a few examples of outstanding fed consoles that havent been thrown into the hungry maw that is the lockbox system .
    And speaking of cloaking , i really fecking hope there arent any more fed cloaking devices :confused: to be honest shouldnt have any at all really , cant speak for the dread , but the defiants was a unique loan

    Noted.
    At least by 'raging' someone knows that some players are unhappy with the direction the game could take,
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  • rrincyrrincy Member Posts: 1,023
    edited August 2012
    to be fair , if cryptic doesnt realise that the KDF players are upset by now then they must be lying , blind , or mad

    possibly all three
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  • spartangamerspartangamer Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    rrincy wrote: »
    to be fair , if cryptic doesnt realise that the KDF players are upset by now then they must be lying , blind , or mad

    possibly all three

    You could go as far to add stupid in there as well
  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    I can see by the end of the year the Feds getting a Battle Cloak equipped ship that mounts cannons (7 weap slots, 4 fore, 3 aft), turns as fast as a BoP, and has as much hull as a Escort Carrier and then after getting that they still want a more powerful ship.

    If that ever happened my account would soon be banned due to the post I would slap upon the forums describing in detail how I see many feds as nothing more than a <edited> that they are contiuosly proving themselves to be, a ego-centric fanbase no better than spoiled children unable to see past their own desires..

    Look at the excuses of the past given by Cryptic on why the KDF can't be grown.
    Lack of content to pull from. Bogus, many canon and none-canon sources exist that could be used.

    Lack of development teams to create it. While once true, it no longer holds water as the dev team has grown and looks to grow even more in the seasons ahead.

    Lack of interest by the playerbase/ small player numbers. What playerbase? I like many other have shown great interest and a recent non-official poll showed that mnay players ingame have both a fed and KDF toon. So wheres the lacking?

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  • spartangamerspartangamer Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    bitemepwe wrote: »
    If that ever happened my account would soon be banned due to the post I would slap upon the forums describing in detail how I see many feds as nothing more than a <edited> that they are contiuosly proving themselves to be, a ego-centric fanbase no better than spoiled children unable to see past their own desires..

    You'd do that if it happened? I have half a mind to do something like that now.
  • rrincyrrincy Member Posts: 1,023
    edited August 2012
    makes me ashamed my mains a fed sometimes when you see what some people request :rolleyes:
    some of the *** that people wanted for the sovereign refit was ridiculous
    Look at the excuses of the past given by Cryptic on why the KDF can't be grown.
    Lack of content to pull from. Bogus, many canon and none-canon sources exist that could be used.

    that always makes me laugh so hard , considering they can bring the vesta and luna in from the novels , anything is fair game really
    a good start would be getting some of the npc ships currently in game playable


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  • spartangamerspartangamer Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    rrincy wrote: »
    makes me ashamed my mains a fed sometimes when you see what some people request :rolleyes:
    some of the *** that people wanted for the sovereign refit was ridiculous

    This post has been edited to remove content which violates the Perfect World Entertainment Community Rules and Policies . ~syberghost

    There is still the opportunity to reclaim your honor and join the KDF. Also on the new refit ship I saw a thread today with a Fed asking to make it so the Riker Maneuver doesn't share a cool down with anything else(ie eject warp plasma).
  • lordmalak1lordmalak1 Member Posts: 4,681 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Can't disagree there... the Ablative is only usable on the LRSV-R (although it would be funny to watch the forums ignite if they did trade it away for a KDF console, but left the ship requirement ;) (kidding of course) . I have one for the sci toon... very rarely makes it into the build... and then generally comes right back out, because it doesn't do a whole lot for me.

    True, give the KDF an ablative and he activates just before he cloaks. Takes away the disatvantage of dropping shields before cloak.

    Then Feds cry some more because the KDF have a bigger advantage with their console than the Feds have with the fed console. And the flaming starts all over again (it's circular you know)

    :)
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  • rrincyrrincy Member Posts: 1,023
    edited August 2012
    There is still the opportunity to reclaim your honor and join the KDF. Also on the new refit ship I saw a thread today with a Fed asking to make it so the Riker Maneuver doesn't share a cool down with anything else(ie eject warp plasma).

    I have KDF character already , started it way back before f2p , never did much with it , but that will probably change soon , only so many doff missions i can do with my fed before boredom sets in

    you'll always get someone unhappy with something , riker manouver is a pretty weak console , but considering its a free EWP alternative you can stick on a slot and freeing up another BOFF ability its not too bad , some people dont seem to realise this however and want it made godly :rolleyes:
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  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    You'd do that if it happened? I have half a mind to do something like that now.

    If I lost my temper, sure.
    I would still try to keep up with the forums though as I feel any loss of voice is a bad thing for the KDF.
    It was very exhausting to keep up dialouge with the forums via ingame mails when I was banned the first time. I hate to think how hard it would be to keep up if it happened again.
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  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    lordmalak1 wrote: »
    True, give the KDF an ablative and he activates just before he cloaks. Takes away the disatvantage of dropping shields before cloak.

    Then Feds cry some more because the KDF have a bigger advantage with their console than the Feds have with the fed console. And the flaming starts all over again (it's circular you know)

    :)

    The B'rel-R and Ablative Armor.........


    I think I just spotted myself in ectasy:P
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  • johnny111971johnny111971 Member Posts: 1,300 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    bitemepwe wrote: »
    The B'rel-R and Ablative Armor.........


    I think I just spotted myself in ectasy:P

    LOL... how about limited to a non-cloaking science vessel? ;)

    It shouldn't be allowed to completely OP the other sides use... You think us feds cry now... :rolleyes: Imagine the posts now.

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  • spartangamerspartangamer Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Hmm yes I think we have earned it to get the ablative generator.
    Also I feel that Cryptic is leading the KDF to ddom: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPTpXIznitw
  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    LOL... how about limited to a non-cloaking science vessel? ;)

    It shouldn't be allowed to completely OP the other sides use... You think us feds cry now... :rolleyes: Imagine the posts now.

    True, but a grizzled old warrior bent on the genocide of a species can dream can't he? :P
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  • lordmalak1lordmalak1 Member Posts: 4,681 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    LOL... how about limited to a non-cloaking science vessel? ;)

    It shouldn't be allowed to completely OP the other sides use... You think us feds cry now... :rolleyes: Imagine the posts now.

    Been thinking about this comment for almost 2 hours now, and still don't know what a non-cloaking KDF science vessel is.

    The Phalanx (sp) and varanus dont cloak ? Who flys those ?
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  • bluegeekbluegeek Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Speaking as a moderator, this thread has gotten our attention.

    I'd like to keep it open so people can express themselves, but this is getting out of hand.

    If you have anything to say on this topic, please be respectful of others.

    I'd like to point out that this thread started by spreading or starting a rumor which as far as I know is unsubstantiated.

    If you would like to criticize Cryptic for something they actually did, that's feedback.

    If you would like to express your opinion that Cryptic should never consider doing this, that's also feedback.

    But please keep the ranting at a minimum, and keep the flaming and trolling out of it completely.

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  • skyranger1414skyranger1414 Member Posts: 1,785 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Yeah and I just check the STO Homepage. Feds get a new uniform for the tailor and the KDF gets NOTHING AGAIN.


    Dude, its a terrible uniform. I play mostly Feds and I can honestly say I've been completely underwhelmed by almost every costume set released. I guess I'm just not as big a fanboy as others that buy everything. But dang it Cryptic, how about you release some cool costume for a change? Something that doesn't embarrass me for playing feds and for the way my fellow fed players eat up bland and boring costumes??

    The KDF players complain of not getting new uniforms and ships. But look at the Regent, its yet ANOTHER space whale (and WTF is up with those forward pylons??). And the racing uniform..... bleh, more pajamas. There was an uniform thread were someone jokingly mentioned starfleet and kdf tramp stamps and such, that would be preferable to more pajamas!
  • spartangamerspartangamer Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Dude, its a terrible uniform. I play mostly Feds and I can honestly say I've been completely underwhelmed by almost every costume set released. I guess I'm just not as big a fanboy as others that buy everything. But dang it Cryptic, how about you release some cool costume for a change? Something that doesn't embarrass me for playing feds and for the way my fellow fed players eat up bland and boring costumes??

    The KDF players complain of not getting new uniforms and ships. But look at the Regent, its yet ANOTHER space whale (and WTF is up with those forward pylons??). And the racing uniform..... bleh, more pajamas. There was an uniform thread were someone jokingly mentioned starfleet and kdf tramp stamps and such, that would be preferable to more pajamas!

    Point is we are being ignored. KDF players have many good ideas that would not affect game balance and would help STO grow as an MMO but Cryptic fails to act upon it.
  • majesticmsfcmajesticmsfc Member Posts: 1,401 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    I am still a strong believer that the cross-faction consoles are a bad idea. As a player I play certain factions for certain things, others play it for particular abilities such as the consoles. If the KDF got all the Federation consoles and the Federation got all the Klingon consoles most people wouldn't see a reason to play that other faction, whichever that may be. Which would cause a lot of people to stop spending Zen in the game.

    I don't buy Federation gear except the uniforms, and even that I have stopped until the KDF gets more content. I have over 5,000 Zen currently that I haven't spent. With the Plasmonic Leech console being nerfed I haven't bought the Vandal destroyer, the only reason I buy lower level ships are for the console.

    More and more everything is being nerfed rather than tested and brought in balanced. The Duty Officer nerf is just the latest and as a customer I am sick of the nerf's being thrown at us players. Quit with the nerfing, bring in new cleaver ways to bring balance back if you bugger up not nerf it and annoy players. We play the game, help pay your income through spending in this game and get we are not even consulted when it comes to major changes. I remember hearing once Dan Stahl said we are his bosses and he'll do want the community requests. Sure there is some limits on that but really us KDF fans are screaming for content from missions to costumes to ships and yet the Federation gets all the goodies and we are ignored. As a person who do you think that makes us feel? An unhappy customer will not spend money if they feel they are being mistreated. This is how the majority of the KDF fan base feels. We may not have as many players as the Federation, but we are just as loyal if not more so to the faction we love.

    Cryptic you're doing pretty well from what I have seen, you got more lifetime members join in the last sale, my wife, good friend and I are among them. You are making enough sales and money to increase your team as stated by Dan Stahl in a recent pod-cast/new update. If this is all going so well, why aren't you taking the opportunity to increase the KDF faction. I hear all this talk about the Romulan faction, why? You haven't even gotten the KDF to a position that you could justify as a business and game developer to spend the time and money in bringing something like this from the ground up when another faction with an established fan and player base is so incomplete and bug full it's like a flee circus.

    We as players want content, on the KDF mostly as the Federation has a huge amount of missions. Missions is what brought me into this game. If it was just invasion zones like Nukara Prime and Deferi I wouldn't have played it for longer than a week. Missions do have replay value if you give it to them. Have small dilithium rewards if a player finishes a mission, a larger one if they finish a whole campaign (Romulan campaign for example) and to even allow more socializing have it that if a player finishes it with a fleet mate they earn even more.

    Back to the topic of consoles, instead of draining the uniqueness out of the factions that I first noticed when the Attrox was given to the Federation how about making new unique consoles, both unique but equally as good that is given to each side through the lock box system. That way each faction still has their unique c-store consoles while at the same time you bring in something new for us players.

    I really feel Cryptic as a company you need to step up and start producing content rather than taking the quick and lazy way out all the time. Whether it's this cross faction console guff or nerfing an existing feature like dilithium gaining or console abilities. If you do right by us we'll be here for the long haul, keep going the way you're going, well all I can say is your employees better update their resumes as they'll probably need it in a few years as your high paying customers will go elsewhere. I myself am already considering SWTOR which goes F2P in November if things don't pick up and season 7 at least has a full KDF mission set-up campaign.
    Point is we are being ignored. KDF players have many good ideas that would not affect game balance and would help STO grow as an MMO but Cryptic fails to act upon it.

    Yes we feel very unappreciated, ignored and treated like dirt. The Feddies cry and whine they get what they want, when we ask, complain and suggest we are called whiners by the very same Feds who do it themselves and we still get nothing out of it.

    In my life I have never seen such a poorly run game, which such a large group of customers so unhappy and being treated like TRIBBLE.

    How about an Ask Cryptic that is all about the KDF and actually have the questions answered rather than touched on for a second, a joke made and then onto the Federation missions. Answer some difficult questions for a change rather than all the easy ones. It's not even worth reading half the time as it's so rigged it's not funny. Allow the interviewers or the community to choose the questions that are answered instead.
    Support the Game by Supporting the KDF, equality and uniqueness for all factions!
  • skyranger1414skyranger1414 Member Posts: 1,785 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Point is we are being ignored. KDF players have many good ideas that would not affect game balance and would help STO grow as an MMO but Cryptic fails to act upon it.

    You know what the biggest benefit the KDF has? Its not better designed ships or consoles, its that they're not constantly trying to sell them worthless junk. And for all the complaints about loosing the KDF uniqueness I don't really know what the fed uniqueness is?
  • thesnyndicatethesnyndicate Member Posts: 44 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    You know what the biggest benefit the KDF has? Its not better designed ships or consoles, its that they're not constantly trying to sell them worthless junk. And for all the complaints about loosing the KDF uniqueness I don't really know what the fed uniqueness is?

    If you dont really know then dont post in forums!


    Dunno how you make those false assumptions the facts are that federation is getting all the quantity like always but all the quality also lately.

    If you dont believe me wiki is here for the ppl to compare and decide if fed gets all the junk.

    http://www.stowiki.org/Playable_starship

    What fed uniqueness is ?

    its much more than KDF uniqueness here see for urself: http://www.stowiki.org/Universal_Consoles

    Now add on those above the MACO shields and tractor pets.

    Now think maco shields along with leech console how much OP will that be?

    Before you whine think first if you are right or wrong at least klingons are rightfully whining.
  • thesnyndicatethesnyndicate Member Posts: 44 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    bluegeek wrote: »
    Speaking as a moderator, this thread has gotten our attention.

    I'd like to keep it open so people can express themselves, but this is getting out of hand.

    If you have anything to say on this topic, please be respectful of others.

    I'd like to point out that this thread started by spreading or starting a rumor which as far as I know is unsubstantiated.

    If you would like to criticize Cryptic for something they actually did, that's feedback.

    If you would like to express your opinion that Cryptic should never consider doing this, that's also feedback.

    But please keep the ranting at a minimum, and keep the flaming and trolling out of it completely.

    {Hands out tribbles to the non-Klingons} -- Here, pet this and calm down.

    {Hands out dead tribbles to the Klingons} -- Here, take your frustrations out on this.

    It got ur attention you say and what you do about that?

    Ban the OP for rightfully protesting??? silencing him this way?

    Because he bought things with real money and now you plan to give them to all faction for a couple of EC.

    Ban the OP for warning you that pvp balance will collapse if you combine maco shields + leech console....+ free endless tractor pets.


    Yeah ban him hes so unreal.....

    If you apprentice students of money making ever played your game then you would understand what it means maco shields + leech console + free endless tractor pets for pvp ''balance''


    ps. even at the forums why do we get the dead tribbles and the federation get the fresh ones?
    ps2. this isnt flaming or trolling you better look at federation shipyards for those. This is a rightfully protest ''feedback'' against the ignorance and the constant demotion of KDF faction. Because for some ppl here as you see KDF is the only thing that kept us into STO for long time. Now if you dont care about our feedback just dont read it but dont say its trolling and flaming when the things we describe here are 100% truth. And the reason we do this it is for the ppl that play the game to have fun and have a nice balanced game.
    Now if you support federation side for your own reasons thats your right but its our right also to support the KDF since KDF is what we truly love about this game. You cant keep silencing us if you dont like what we say after all what we say is the truth no matter how much this is bugging you.
    We are a part of this game and we have the right to tell you that you havent been decent and fair with us and all those promises back in pre f2p days from cryptic never came true.
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