This console is one of the few unique toys kdf arsenal has left.Federation constantly gets new ships and new consoles with them KDF doesnt so sharing this unique console is like burying KDF even further into the ground causing the reaction of many kdf players newer or older who are told that new content will arrive and nothing comes not even ships and new consoles. Also sharing the console is just like nerfing the console itself and kdf along because we dont have many good unique toys left around. The console wont be good enough for feds also if both faction have it and both sides will be wasting a console slot just to gain 0 power. Its pointless.
My arguments are valid from all points of view
Even from company wise looks it doesnt benefit the company simply because this console will give them more real money if it remains on vandal scourge destoyer than the lockboxes trust me. Simply because the ppl that are gone buy lockboxes are gone buy them anyway no matter if it has the console in it or no! most ppl buy the lockboxes for the ships and not the consoles simply because they get the consoles cheaper at the exchange.
And from the other hand a lot of ppl will roll kdf just to build nice leech builds by buying this console and combining it with energy siphons or siphon drones or polarons or all 2gether. If they roll kdf to build nice leech builds by combining the console they will buy nice z store kdf ships also! Meaning more money for the company and a console that is actually does something even if that something is for kdf side only. Yes all sides have something powerful lets leave KDF have one decent unique console and a motivation for ppl to play KDF in order to make specific builds!
Fed got other toys like tractors and other nasty stuff and lots of ppl will play fed just for those
Its the same thing for KDF also dont ruin the faction it doesnt benefit the company the change of uniqueness of each faction.
Let the faction remain unique cause u give motives to play both factions!!!
Recently i started playing federation cause of the fed escort carrier and a couple of unique consoles they have. Things that i was planning to buy in future.
Now if u give me what they got then i will just stick to my kdf cause i like the ship designs i got more than the federation saucer luxury junk design.
You guys up there i believe you are logical persons i cant even believe that rumor exists
Frankly I never understood why it exists. This is a Star Trek game. Star Trek is based on the Federation's point of view. It was a mistake to have any other faction in the game to begin with. Simply release different races ships into the z-store and let people pretend to be whatever race they want.
I believe the reason the KDF is in the state its in now is because what it was intended to be changed so much late in development. Originally it was going to be a full PVE faction. Then it was going to be Monster Play. Now we have the half-breed child of both and the people who play it are confused.
Once again the OP's rambling is based on a RUMOR that the feds are getting the leech console. It may be true. It probably isnt. Take a look at the forum and see how much rage hes venting over this rumor. Its hilarious.
Frankly I never understood why it exists. This is a Star Trek game. Star Trek is based on the Federation's point of view. It was a mistake to have any other faction in the game to begin with. Simply release different races ships into the z-store and let people pretend to be whatever race they want.
I believe the reason the KDF is in the state its in now is because what it was intended to be changed so much late in development. Originally it was going to be a full PVE faction. Then it was going to be Monster Play. Now we have the half-breed child of both and the people who play it are confused.
Once again the OP's rambling is based on a RUMOR that the feds are getting the leech console. It may be true. It probably isnt. Take a look at the forum and see how much rage hes venting over this rumor. Its hilarious.
omg are you serious ? kill KDF????
Kill the only enemy faction for the federation.....
and waste all those nice ship designs and keep only the crappy saucer fed ship designs .
And then if you kill us who is going to fight with federation ?
Also by saying killing us u speak for a BIG number of playerbase and an even BIGGER number of money spented on this faction.
ok kill us i want my 500 euro+ i spented on kdf side BACK in my pocket and we are cool u can kill them all!
ps. i dont generate rage its my rage only and its also explaination of facts and the results of what will happend if the console gets in lockboxes.
It proves with simple words that its not a logical move it wont even bring money to company because like i said experienced fed players wont pay and waste a ship console slot so they get ZERO energy back if both sides have it!
At least me if i didnt have the console and both side had it i wouldnt buy it
But the problem is that i already buyed the console ages ago and now i gotta live with it....
ps2. i am not alone all kdf players support my rage and feel the same or worst .
This is feedback forum and this is our feedback no bad feelings or anything just feedback
And the feedback is that this console wont be good enough if both sides have it
From the other hand any other console even bio neutral warhead wont nerf itself if both sides have it!
I know your feelings, bro. KDF got it's special spirit that many feds don't understand.
This is outrages how feds receive kdf consoles for free (couple mil of ec lol), while people bought them with their usd, with thousands of zen/c-points. Kinda, rip-off.
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Besides, if the past is anything to base future events on the next lockbox console exchange will once again be one of the best fed consoles going to the klingons and one of the worst klingon consoles going to the feds.
Theta Radiation being the exception. Feds got the better deal that time round.
Personally I hope feds do get the leech console. It would be good to have for pve. Although then i'd have the nightmare task of trying to decide what to replace.
Games are balancing around pvp and not pve
what u say is to destroy pvp just to favour a faction for pve???
Wrong wrong wrong feds get all the cool toys we only had the leech console and by giving this console in both sides its like nerfing the console itself making it useless and a waste of a console slot in our ships
omg are you serious ? kill KDF????
Kill the only enemy faction for the federation.....
and waste all those nice ship designs and keep only the crappy saucer fed ship designs .
And then if you kill us who is going to fight with federation ?
Also by saying killing us u speak for a BIG number of playerbase and an even BIGGER number of money spented on this faction.
ok kill us i want my 500 euro+ i spented on kdf side BACK in my pocket and we are cool u can kill them all!
ps. i dont generate rage its my rage only and its also explaination of facts and the results of what will happend if the console gets in lockboxes.
It proves with simple words that its not a logical move it wont even bring money to company because like i said experienced fed players wont pay and waste a ship console slot so they get ZERO energy back if both sides have it!
At least me if i didnt have the console and both side had it i wouldnt buy it
But the problem is that i already buyed the console ages ago and now i gotta live with it....
ps2. i am not alone all kdf players support my rage and feel the same or worst .
This is feedback forum and this is our feedback no bad feelings or anything just feedback
And the feedback is that this console wont be good enough if both sides have it
From the other hand any other console even bio neutral warhead wont nerf itself if both sides have it!
Understand what i am saying here?
I hope you dont mind I deleted all the unnecessary spaces in your post so the quote wouldnt take up too much room. :cool:
I wasn't proposing the removal of the KDF ships just a decentralisation of the game from the Federation's point of view. Removal of the KDF as a separate faction would simply give access to all items to both sides. You could still be a klingon is you wanted to. You could still fly a BoP if you wanted to.
The problem is the developers fell into the mentality that an MMO has to have 2 opposing sides. The game would have been a lot better for everyone if they had based it in a unified galaxy with the Federation, Klingons and Romulans working alongside each other. Wargames would still have provided the PVP people desire but there would be no need for separate faction fleets, ships or gear.
Personally I hope Season 7 brings an end to the Fed - KDF war and Season 8 & 9 bring about some of these changes. I think the game would benefit from them greatly.
what u say is to destroy pvp just to favour a faction for pve???
Wrong wrong wrong feds get all the cool toys we only had the leech console and by giving this console in both sides its like nerfing the console itself making it useless and a waste of a console slot in our ships
You seem to be saying the only cool toy the KDF has is the leech console? Am i understanding you?
I guess you just forgot about the Isometic Charge, Aceton Assimilator, Energy Barrier and the Bioneural Warhead.
The leech console gave the KDF an advantage in PVE as well as PVP. I simply wish to balance that advantage. Like you said, the game has to be balanced.
I wasn't proposing the removal of the KDF ships just a decentralisation of the game from the Federation's point of view. Removal of the KDF as a separate faction would simply give access to all items to both sides. You could still be a klingon is you wanted to. You could still fly a BoP if you wanted to.
The problem is the developers fell into the mentality that an MMO has to have 2 opposing sides. The game would have been a lot better for everyone if they had based it in a unified galaxy with the Federation, Klingons and Romulans working alongside each other. Wargames would still have provided the PVP people desire but there would be no need for separate faction fleets, ships or gear.
Personally I hope Season 7 brings an end to the Fed - KDF war and Season 8 & 9 bring about some of these changes. I think the game would benefit from them greatly.
Sorry, but that is a terrible suggestion. If they did that I would simply not play anymore. I suspect many KDF players probably feel the same way.
What a lot of Fed players don't seem to wrap their heads around is that we don't want to be with them.. Having adversarial factions is what adds spice to the game.
It would just be so bland with 1 faction, in my opinion.
I know your feelings, bro. KDF got it's special spirit that many feds don't understand.
This is outrages how feds receive kdf consoles for free (couple mil of ec lol), while people bought them with their usd, with thousands of zen/c-points. Kinda, rip-off.
yes this also ^
srsly now u cant do that you gave all the toys we had but you cant give them the leech console simply because its like nerfing the console iteslf making it a non usefull console cause it will be wasting a console slot and it wont be giving any power back if both sides have it.
I love PWE atm but if u give them leech console for free i will just hate you and quit the game no matter how much i like it
its the red thin line i got when i play games and when the company gets very much unfair with my faction and pass the thin red line in the name of greed or in the name of whine i just quit and try to do as much "dmg" as possible
Right now i love you guys i constantly try to get more ppl into the game with facebook and RL friends and by fraping and posting cool videos on youtube.
I try for the game because i love the game.
But if you overdo it with unfair treating to my lovely KDF faction i promise that you will have me as an enemy and not a friend or a customer anymore.
Cryptic don't do PVP. Champions is evidence of this enough.
Pvp in this game is such a half attempted after-thought I dont understand why people humor it. Just accept that the only pvp in the game is wargames with no real rewards or consequences and move on. If this goes against your view of what the game should be then this isnt the game for you.
Pvp will never be a major aspect of this game. If that is what you are hoping it will become you might as well leave now. The KDF MIGHT one day get the pve missions to bring it up to the same level as the Feds but so what? There are already way more missions in the game than you need to level up and what can you do at endgame as the feds that you can't as the klingons?
You seem to be saying the only cool toy the KDF has is the leech console? Am i understanding you?
I guess you just forgot about the Isometic Charge, Aceton Assimilator, Energy Barrier and the Bioneural Warhead.
The leech console gave the KDF an advantage in PVE as well as PVP. I simply wish to balance that advantage. Like you said, the game has to be balanced.
Wrong in order to balance things up we gotta take all the new cool toys federation got.
Its obvious you simply wanna favour federation because you play federation only.
What i speak is justice i dont want to favour KDF
You dont rly understand why i speak here
i say it again for the last time
IF BOTH FACTION GET THE LEECH CONSOLE ITS LIKE NERFING THE LEECH CONSOLE ITSELF CAUSE DRAIN EFFECTS WILL BE CANCELLED AND WE WILL BE ALL WASTING A SLOT CONSOLE FOR A CONSOLE THAT DOES NOTHING IT WILL BE GIVING US ZERO POWER.
Besides that we could trade some other console for a good federation console
I wont agree or argue on that even that i dont agree! Unique are meant to be unique and not to be unique at some point forcing ppl to take descisions and then all of sudden the unique thing goes away and its for everyone!
Uniqueness make success in games
Look at wow it got 2 faction and yes horde side is more pvp oriented and yet they succeed.
Cryptic don't do PVP. Champions is evidence of this enough.
Pvp in this game is such a half attempted after-thought I dont understand why people humor it. Just accept that the only pvp in the game is wargames with no real rewards or consequences and move on. If this goes against your view of what the game should be then this isnt the game for you.
Pvp will never be a major aspect of this game. If that is what you are hoping it will become you might as well leave now. The KDF MIGHT one day get the pve missions to bring it up to the same level as the Feds but so what? There are already way more missions in the game than you need to level up and what can you do at endgame as the feds that you can't as the klingons?
I understand you are a carebear, and I have nothing against them. Live and let live, I say, but to claim that because cryptic has not done pvp successfully in the past, that they should never endevour to is absurd. They have already commented officially that they are looking to revamp pvp, albeit most likely season 9(probably later)
Your suggestions are a thinly veiled "we already have 75% of the content, now I want the other 25%. Gimme, gimme, gimme." You clearly do not respect your fellow gamer, you hang around the klingon gameplay forum, professing that the faction should be nullified and have revealed your true nature.
I wasn't proposing the removal of the KDF ships just a decentralisation of the game from the Federation's point of view. Removal of the KDF as a separate faction would simply give access to all items to both sides. You could still be a klingon is you wanted to. You could still fly a BoP if you wanted to.
I hope you dont mind I deleted all the unnecessary spaces in your post so the quote wouldnt take up too much room. :cool:
If they delete the KDF from ST:O then ALL KDF property will be stripped from your c-store ships, and your generic cruisers can play PvP all day long with yourselves after you've reached level cap.
Sound like fun ?
You DON'T get our ships, weapons, consoles, abilities, costumes, stories, NOTHING.
Its obvious you simply wanna favour federation because you play federation only.
What i speak is justice i dont want to favour KDF
IF BOTH FACTION GET THE LEECH CONSOLE ITS LIKE NERFING THE LEECH CONSOLE ITSELF CAUSE DRAIN EFFECTS WILL BE CANCELLED AND WE WILL BE ALL WASTING A SLOT CONSOLE FOR A CONSOLE THAT DOES NOTHING IT WILL BE GIVING US ZERO POWER.
Besides that we could trade some other console for a good federation console
I wont agree or argue on that even that i dont agree! Unique are meant to be unique and not to be unique at some point forcing ppl to take descisions and then all of sudden the unique thing goes away and its for everyone!
Uniqueness make success in games
Look at wow it got 2 faction and yes horde side is more pvp oriented and yet they succeed.
Ok firstly I dont play federation only. I play federation NOW because I wanted to try the Armitage Escort. Before that I played KDF for a long time because I know the Garumba is better than the feds T5 escorts and the Honor Guard gear is the best in the game.
Secondly 2 players using the leech console will not always cancel each other out. If you have skilled into the console then even if your opponent has it (which is unlikely) you will still come out on top.
Thirdly you are complaining about the uniqueness being lost. Why wernt you complaining the three times before now when the feds got a console that used to be unique to the KDF? I think its because none of those 3 console were recognised as the most OP console in the game.
Lastly although wow does have 2 factions neither is more pvp orientated than the other. The horde simply attracts more pvp minded people. There is nothing in the game that makes horde better for pvp. Nothing worth mentioning anyway.
Your suggestions are a thinly veiled "we already have 75% of the content, now I want the other 25%. Gimme, gimme, gimme." You clearly do not respect your fellow gamer, you hang around the klingon gameplay forum, professing that the faction should be nullified and have revealed your true nature.
If you read my suggestion properly you would see it was more along the lines of "We have 75% of the content lets merge it with your 25% so we all have 100%"
They have already commented officially that they are looking to revamp pvp, albeit most likely season 9(probably later)
They made similar official comments back before Season 2. Hows that working out for you?
I really wouldnt recommend holding your breath for any major PVP improvements.
I hope you dont mind I deleted all the unnecessary spaces in your post so the quote wouldnt take up too much room. :cool:
If they delete the KDF from ST:O then ALL KDF property will be stripped from your c-store ships, and your generic cruisers can play PvP all day long with yourselves after you've reached level cap.
Sound like fun ?
You DON'T get our ships, weapons, consoles, abilities, costumes, stories, NOTHING.
What a boring game you wish for.
Lol I wouldnt mind so much but the paragraph you quoted didnt have any spaces in it :P
I didnt say to delete the faction. Read my posts again. I suggested merging them. Making everything available to everyone.
Nothing would be lost.
heh, I deleted your 'superfluous data', and used your quote to illustrate the clipping as the missing text was as meaningful as spaces.
Merging the factions is so uncanon it isn't funny. As a KDF player I don't want the Fed property on my ship (cep't maybe one of their OP shuttles), no uniforms on my crew , nothing. I'd hope that any true Star Trek fan playing the game would feel the same way for the other faction so I have problems trying to understand why ANYONE would want a combined faction when endgame content is non-existent, and no PvP.
If you read my suggestion properly you would see it was more along the lines of "We have 75% of the content lets merge it with your 25% so we all have 100%"
While I can only speak for myself, but I do not want your 75% and I do not want you to have my 25%. I would like to see it balanced at 50/50, however true balance may be a pipe dream.
To me, this game would be so incredibly boring if there was only 1 faction. Like you said, it would not be the game for me and I would move on, as I suspect a lot of KDF players would.
While the KDF does not make up the majority of the playerbase, it would be a disaster if Cryptic merged the factions. I don't see a merge having significant increase on the Fed playerbase, but could see a drastic drop in it's KDF population resulting in potentially loss of revenue.
They made similar official comments back before Season 2. Hows that working out for you?
I really wouldnt recommend holding your breath for any major PVP improvements.
Honestly, I am a relatively new player, so not sure what the previous comments were. I would say that I am 75% pve and 25% pvp. For me, pvp is something to fill the time when there is nothing to do, or I need a break from pve.
I have no intention of playing STO if they just give up to silly fed demands as self concerned as "roll the KDF into the feds and be done with them".
Its an affront to my fandom and anyone who has ever found the Klingons what they enjoy about star trek.
Sadly its not surprising iether. Many times the feds have shown they only value themselves and thier concerns over sharing the Genre with any other fans that it has spawned.
Thats the true sad thing. All fans cant enjoy a MMO based on the genre unless the feds agree.
How noble of them. How accepting of our diferences to deem we KDF fans are worthy of thier hand_me_downs only.
Could you imagine if the feds for the Aceton Assimilator?
This looks wrong indeed. Starfleet won't poison anyone with radiation (aceton assimilator, theta radiation vent). If you watched Voyager, you should know that such a weapon is against all the humanity Federation represents.
Bio neural warheads are unacceptable as well, because it's conflicts with everything Soong foundation has worked on. (rights of artificial lifeforms)
Each faction has to be unique, so everyone would find something special for their play style.
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I've started playing KDF during the last week and really enjoy what little genuine KDF content there is. Well, except for the part at the beginning requiring me to run around Qo'nos like crazy. Have to check if this is skippable or not.
Anyway, getting more missions for the KDF is rather easy and shouldn't take much time. You already got a potent content creation system with the Foundry. Just pick one of the highest rated KDF missions, maybe tweak it a bit if you see the need to do so, then release it like one of your own missions, complete with a mission reward at the end. The original author could and should receive appreciation for his work, maybe in the form of Zen. 5000 Zen sounds fair IMHO and doesn't make Cryptic or PWE any poorer.
That way you could crank out a new episode every week, until FED and KDF have the same amount of episodes. From this point on, you could release a mission for each faction on a weekly or bi-weekly basis, based on the same principle as outlined above.
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Nope, I just happen to learn my ships capabilities and fly them according to what they are, than how I want to fly them.
Not a noob, just a better Captain than you. I don't care about some stupid leech console, I dont need that to win anyway; that's probably what you need though.
Many times the feds have shown they only value themselves and thier concerns over sharing the Genre with any other fans that it has spawned.
Thats the true sad thing. All fans cant enjoy a MMO based on the genre unless the feds agree.
How noble of them. How accepting of our diferences to deem we KDF fans are worthy of thier hand_me_downs only.
I have noticed this as well. I do not see KDF players calling for the destruction of the federation(outside of RP that is), merely equality. On the other hand the Feds seem hellbent on erasing us(merging is the same thing).
It's almost like the KDF players embody the values of the Federation, and the Fed players embody the values of the Ferengi, lol.
I play both KDF/fed. The truth is the game needs more factions not less more diversity not less. Having one bloody faction and various races is like saying that there will be no differences even in the fantasy world of Star trek and that doesn't ring true. Remember the name of the game people it's "Star Trek" Online. Not "Unity,Rainbows,Happy Bubbles, Teletubbies Care Bears n Poer Puff Girls yum!". Seriously we're not on ONE side slaying Dragons for bleeps sake.
We're playing Star Trek, faction on faction, political nonsense, time missions and so on. Let's ACT like we're playing star trek and realize we're playing a space game and not some boring everyone's on the same side slaying dragons yay. *Vomits*
I love KDF, I love FED and I want MORE factions and if ANYTHING.... I want to see a faction with more sector blocks and territory than Fed because it's boring seeing Fed as the almighty faction that reigns supreme over all.
I"ve seen FED kick TRIBBLE, I've seen KDF Kick TRIBBLE either side of the fence you go there's always a bigger fish.
If you're someone who wants happy rainbows and one big happy family.... then you're dellusional and boring yourself. I'm not asking for angry replies or rage-spam. Simply put.... the most BORING thing anyone can do is GIVE UP and say "HEY IT WILL BE EASIER TO MURRRGEEEE EVERYTHING LAWL LAWL LAWL CUZ I CANT STAND MY BUDDY WANTS TO PLAY KLINKY FOR 20 MINUTES IN A DAY COMPARED TO THE OTHER 4 HOURS HE SPENT ON FED" < seriously... that's what some of our lives are like people want ALL candy and no meat or potatoes. They simply like to vegitate under the fantasy they're all right all the time and that the Federation in Star Trek embodied everything good and the other folks? Oh my, they were bad.
If anything Star Trek has taught me, it's the same stuff real life has. We all endevour, we all strive.... we all try to simply survive. However in the end we all have our faults, limitations and desires and it's the quest to control them that counts. Not the delusion that one faction or the other embodies pure morality even if it seemed that way on T.V.
Note: More Territory Doesn't represent more power necessarily but so many NEW players seem to think that way thus making FED as the starting faction.... the one to likely stew on.
Balancing multiple factions in any MMO is tricky. Yes the KDF was rushed by Cryptic to finish the game because Atari set a deadline and didn't know how MMOs work. On WOW there MANY severs that had/still have and imbalance of players favoring on faction over the other. I don't think they will "kill" the KDF, that will put off a LOT more players than they think are actually playing as KDF. They could play up war a bit more or end it in a cease fire, although that might require a few rewrites of some of the missions. If you are complaining about the lost of faction uniqueness, that's also common in many MMOs.
Nope, I just happen to learn my ships capabilities and fly them according to what they are, than how I want to fly them.
Not a noob, just a better Captain than you. I don't care about some stupid leech console, I dont need that to win anyway; that's probably what you need though.
still u dont explain me how the BoP will kill the fed escort like you said
This cant happend unless the fed escort pilot is outgeared outskilled etc etc.
No way if u put same skill gear build BoP Vs fed escort or anything thats is decent gear and bop will win.
Its just a support little bugger called ''raider'' ship.
Not meant to hold up a fight not meant to deal top dps.
If you put my scourge destroyer which is similar to fed escorts to fight my own ''tough'' BoP there is no way in this galaxy the bop will win the fight.
Also for the ''better captain than me'' i dont think so because you are afraid of BoP's :P
Anyway i bypass that since we lost the subject of the conversation.
Yeah i care for the console cause my spec is based around this console also i paid for the console with RL money and i think its unfair to give it away just for a couple of EC.
This console is one of the few unique toys kdf arsenal has left.Federation constantly gets new ships and new consoles with them KDF doesnt so sharing this unique console is like burying KDF even further into the ground causing the reaction of many kdf players newer or older who are told that new content will arrive and nothing comes not even ships and new consoles. Also sharing the console is just like nerfing the console itself and kdf along because we dont have many good unique toys left around. The console wont be good enough for feds also if both faction have it and both sides will be wasting a console slot just to gain 0 power. Its pointless.
My arguments are valid from all points of view
Even from company wise looks it doesnt benefit the company simply because this console will give them more real money if it remains on vandal scourge destoyer than the lockboxes trust me. Simply because the ppl that are gone buy lockboxes are gone buy them anyway no matter if it has the console in it or no! most ppl buy the lockboxes for the ships and not the consoles simply because they get the consoles cheaper at the exchange.
And from the other hand a lot of ppl will roll kdf just to build nice leech builds by buying this console and combining it with energy siphons or siphon drones or polarons or all 2gether. If they roll kdf to build nice leech builds by combining the console they will buy nice z store kdf ships also! Meaning more money for the company and a console that is actually does something even if that something is for kdf side only. Yes all sides have something powerful lets leave KDF have one decent unique console and a motivation for ppl to play KDF in order to make specific builds!
Fed got other toys like tractors and other nasty stuff and lots of ppl will play fed just for those
Its the same thing for KDF also dont ruin the faction it doesnt benefit the company the change of uniqueness of each faction.
Let the faction remain unique cause u give motives to play both factions!!!
Recently i started playing federation cause of the fed escort carrier and a couple of unique consoles they have. Things that i was planning to buy in future.
Now if u give me what they got then i will just stick to my kdf cause i like the ship designs i got more than the federation saucer luxury junk design.
You guys up there i believe you are logical persons i cant even believe that rumor exists
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My arguments are valid from all points of view
Even from company wise looks it doesnt benefit the company simply because this console will give them more real money if it remains on vandal scourge destoyer than the lockboxes trust me. Simply because the ppl that are gone buy lockboxes are gone buy them anyway no matter if it has the console in it or no! most ppl buy the lockboxes for the ships and not the consoles simply because they get the consoles cheaper at the exchange.
And from the other hand a lot of ppl will roll kdf just to build nice leech builds by buying this console and combining it with energy siphons or siphon drones or polarons or all 2gether. If they roll kdf to build nice leech builds by combining the console they will buy nice z store kdf ships also! Meaning more money for the company and a console that is actually does something even if that something is for kdf side only. Yes all sides have something powerful lets leave KDF have one decent unique console and a motivation for ppl to play KDF in order to make specific builds!
Fed got other toys like tractors and other nasty stuff and lots of ppl will play fed just for those
Its the same thing for KDF also dont ruin the faction it doesnt benefit the company the change of uniqueness of each faction.
Let the faction remain unique cause u give motives to play both factions!!!
Recently i started playing federation cause of the fed escort carrier and a couple of unique consoles they have. Things that i was planning to buy in future.
Now if u give me what they got then i will just stick to my kdf cause i like the ship designs i got more than the federation saucer luxury junk design.
You guys up there i believe you are logical persons i cant even believe that rumor exists
no i mean the plasmonic leech console u get from vandal destroyer
Which for me is the only reason left for someone to still play kdf sometimes !
Frankly I never understood why it exists. This is a Star Trek game. Star Trek is based on the Federation's point of view. It was a mistake to have any other faction in the game to begin with. Simply release different races ships into the z-store and let people pretend to be whatever race they want.
I believe the reason the KDF is in the state its in now is because what it was intended to be changed so much late in development. Originally it was going to be a full PVE faction. Then it was going to be Monster Play. Now we have the half-breed child of both and the people who play it are confused.
Once again the OP's rambling is based on a RUMOR that the feds are getting the leech console. It may be true. It probably isnt. Take a look at the forum and see how much rage hes venting over this rumor. Its hilarious.
omg are you serious ? kill KDF????
Kill the only enemy faction for the federation.....
and waste all those nice ship designs and keep only the crappy saucer fed ship designs .
And then if you kill us who is going to fight with federation ?
Also by saying killing us u speak for a BIG number of playerbase and an even BIGGER number of money spented on this faction.
ok kill us i want my 500 euro+ i spented on kdf side BACK in my pocket and we are cool u can kill them all!
ps. i dont generate rage its my rage only and its also explaination of facts and the results of what will happend if the console gets in lockboxes.
It proves with simple words that its not a logical move it wont even bring money to company because like i said experienced fed players wont pay and waste a ship console slot so they get ZERO energy back if both sides have it!
At least me if i didnt have the console and both side had it i wouldnt buy it
But the problem is that i already buyed the console ages ago and now i gotta live with it....
ps2. i am not alone all kdf players support my rage and feel the same or worst .
This is feedback forum and this is our feedback no bad feelings or anything just feedback
And the feedback is that this console wont be good enough if both sides have it
From the other hand any other console even bio neutral warhead wont nerf itself if both sides have it!
Understand what i am saying here?
This is outrages how feds receive kdf consoles for free (couple mil of ec lol), while people bought them with their usd, with thousands of zen/c-points. Kinda, rip-off.
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Games are balancing around pvp and not pve
what u say is to destroy pvp just to favour a faction for pve???
Wrong wrong wrong feds get all the cool toys we only had the leech console and by giving this console in both sides its like nerfing the console itself making it useless and a waste of a console slot in our ships
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I hope you dont mind I deleted all the unnecessary spaces in your post so the quote wouldnt take up too much room. :cool:
I wasn't proposing the removal of the KDF ships just a decentralisation of the game from the Federation's point of view. Removal of the KDF as a separate faction would simply give access to all items to both sides. You could still be a klingon is you wanted to. You could still fly a BoP if you wanted to.
The problem is the developers fell into the mentality that an MMO has to have 2 opposing sides. The game would have been a lot better for everyone if they had based it in a unified galaxy with the Federation, Klingons and Romulans working alongside each other. Wargames would still have provided the PVP people desire but there would be no need for separate faction fleets, ships or gear.
Personally I hope Season 7 brings an end to the Fed - KDF war and Season 8 & 9 bring about some of these changes. I think the game would benefit from them greatly.
You seem to be saying the only cool toy the KDF has is the leech console? Am i understanding you?
I guess you just forgot about the Isometic Charge, Aceton Assimilator, Energy Barrier and the Bioneural Warhead.
The leech console gave the KDF an advantage in PVE as well as PVP. I simply wish to balance that advantage. Like you said, the game has to be balanced.
Sorry, but that is a terrible suggestion. If they did that I would simply not play anymore. I suspect many KDF players probably feel the same way.
What a lot of Fed players don't seem to wrap their heads around is that we don't want to be with them.. Having adversarial factions is what adds spice to the game.
It would just be so bland with 1 faction, in my opinion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpfbJLLbczs
yes this also ^
srsly now u cant do that you gave all the toys we had but you cant give them the leech console simply because its like nerfing the console iteslf making it a non usefull console cause it will be wasting a console slot and it wont be giving any power back if both sides have it.
I love PWE atm but if u give them leech console for free i will just hate you and quit the game no matter how much i like it
its the red thin line i got when i play games and when the company gets very much unfair with my faction and pass the thin red line in the name of greed or in the name of whine i just quit and try to do as much "dmg" as possible
Right now i love you guys i constantly try to get more ppl into the game with facebook and RL friends and by fraping and posting cool videos on youtube.
I try for the game because i love the game.
But if you overdo it with unfair treating to my lovely KDF faction i promise that you will have me as an enemy and not a friend or a customer anymore.
Could you imagine if the feds for the Aceton Assimilator?
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Cryptic don't do PVP. Champions is evidence of this enough.
Pvp in this game is such a half attempted after-thought I dont understand why people humor it. Just accept that the only pvp in the game is wargames with no real rewards or consequences and move on. If this goes against your view of what the game should be then this isnt the game for you.
Pvp will never be a major aspect of this game. If that is what you are hoping it will become you might as well leave now. The KDF MIGHT one day get the pve missions to bring it up to the same level as the Feds but so what? There are already way more missions in the game than you need to level up and what can you do at endgame as the feds that you can't as the klingons?
Wrong in order to balance things up we gotta take all the new cool toys federation got.
Its obvious you simply wanna favour federation because you play federation only.
What i speak is justice i dont want to favour KDF
You dont rly understand why i speak here
i say it again for the last time
IF BOTH FACTION GET THE LEECH CONSOLE ITS LIKE NERFING THE LEECH CONSOLE ITSELF CAUSE DRAIN EFFECTS WILL BE CANCELLED AND WE WILL BE ALL WASTING A SLOT CONSOLE FOR A CONSOLE THAT DOES NOTHING IT WILL BE GIVING US ZERO POWER.
Besides that we could trade some other console for a good federation console
I wont agree or argue on that even that i dont agree!
Unique are meant to be unique and not to be unique at some point forcing ppl to take descisions and then all of sudden the unique thing goes away and its for everyone!
Uniqueness make success in games
Look at wow it got 2 faction and yes horde side is more pvp oriented and yet they succeed.
I understand you are a carebear, and I have nothing against them. Live and let live, I say, but to claim that because cryptic has not done pvp successfully in the past, that they should never endevour to is absurd. They have already commented officially that they are looking to revamp pvp, albeit most likely season 9(probably later)
Your suggestions are a thinly veiled "we already have 75% of the content, now I want the other 25%. Gimme, gimme, gimme." You clearly do not respect your fellow gamer, you hang around the klingon gameplay forum, professing that the faction should be nullified and have revealed your true nature.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpfbJLLbczs
I hope you dont mind I deleted all the unnecessary spaces in your post so the quote wouldnt take up too much room. :cool:
If they delete the KDF from ST:O then ALL KDF property will be stripped from your c-store ships, and your generic cruisers can play PvP all day long with yourselves after you've reached level cap.
Sound like fun ?
You DON'T get our ships, weapons, consoles, abilities, costumes, stories, NOTHING.
What a boring game you wish for.
Awoken Dead
Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
Ok firstly I dont play federation only. I play federation NOW because I wanted to try the Armitage Escort. Before that I played KDF for a long time because I know the Garumba is better than the feds T5 escorts and the Honor Guard gear is the best in the game.
Secondly 2 players using the leech console will not always cancel each other out. If you have skilled into the console then even if your opponent has it (which is unlikely) you will still come out on top.
Thirdly you are complaining about the uniqueness being lost. Why wernt you complaining the three times before now when the feds got a console that used to be unique to the KDF? I think its because none of those 3 console were recognised as the most OP console in the game.
Lastly although wow does have 2 factions neither is more pvp orientated than the other. The horde simply attracts more pvp minded people. There is nothing in the game that makes horde better for pvp. Nothing worth mentioning anyway.
If you read my suggestion properly you would see it was more along the lines of "We have 75% of the content lets merge it with your 25% so we all have 100%"
They made similar official comments back before Season 2. Hows that working out for you?
I really wouldnt recommend holding your breath for any major PVP improvements.
Lol I wouldnt mind so much but the paragraph you quoted didnt have any spaces in it :P
I didnt say to delete the faction. Read my posts again. I suggested merging them. Making everything available to everyone.
Nothing would be lost.
Merging the factions is so uncanon it isn't funny. As a KDF player I don't want the Fed property on my ship (cep't maybe one of their OP shuttles), no uniforms on my crew , nothing. I'd hope that any true Star Trek fan playing the game would feel the same way for the other faction so I have problems trying to understand why ANYONE would want a combined faction when endgame content is non-existent, and no PvP.
Awoken Dead
Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
No, no, games bring them themselves, factions or not.
Yes there would be something lost, a whole faction. A 1 faction Star Trek MMO sounds pretty boring to me.
While I can only speak for myself, but I do not want your 75% and I do not want you to have my 25%. I would like to see it balanced at 50/50, however true balance may be a pipe dream.
To me, this game would be so incredibly boring if there was only 1 faction. Like you said, it would not be the game for me and I would move on, as I suspect a lot of KDF players would.
While the KDF does not make up the majority of the playerbase, it would be a disaster if Cryptic merged the factions. I don't see a merge having significant increase on the Fed playerbase, but could see a drastic drop in it's KDF population resulting in potentially loss of revenue.
Honestly, I am a relatively new player, so not sure what the previous comments were. I would say that I am 75% pve and 25% pvp. For me, pvp is something to fill the time when there is nothing to do, or I need a break from pve.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpfbJLLbczs
Its an affront to my fandom and anyone who has ever found the Klingons what they enjoy about star trek.
Sadly its not surprising iether. Many times the feds have shown they only value themselves and thier concerns over sharing the Genre with any other fans that it has spawned.
Thats the true sad thing. All fans cant enjoy a MMO based on the genre unless the feds agree.
How noble of them. How accepting of our diferences to deem we KDF fans are worthy of thier hand_me_downs only.
R.I.P
Bio neural warheads are unacceptable as well, because it's conflicts with everything Soong foundation has worked on. (rights of artificial lifeforms)
Each faction has to be unique, so everyone would find something special for their play style.
Thanks
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Anyway, getting more missions for the KDF is rather easy and shouldn't take much time. You already got a potent content creation system with the Foundry. Just pick one of the highest rated KDF missions, maybe tweak it a bit if you see the need to do so, then release it like one of your own missions, complete with a mission reward at the end. The original author could and should receive appreciation for his work, maybe in the form of Zen. 5000 Zen sounds fair IMHO and doesn't make Cryptic or PWE any poorer.
That way you could crank out a new episode every week, until FED and KDF have the same amount of episodes. From this point on, you could release a mission for each faction on a weekly or bi-weekly basis, based on the same principle as outlined above.
Not a noob, just a better Captain than you. I don't care about some stupid leech console, I dont need that to win anyway; that's probably what you need though.
EPG builds / SCI ground enthusiast
I have noticed this as well. I do not see KDF players calling for the destruction of the federation(outside of RP that is), merely equality. On the other hand the Feds seem hellbent on erasing us(merging is the same thing).
It's almost like the KDF players embody the values of the Federation, and the Fed players embody the values of the Ferengi, lol.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpfbJLLbczs
We're playing Star Trek, faction on faction, political nonsense, time missions and so on. Let's ACT like we're playing star trek and realize we're playing a space game and not some boring everyone's on the same side slaying dragons yay. *Vomits*
I love KDF, I love FED and I want MORE factions and if ANYTHING.... I want to see a faction with more sector blocks and territory than Fed because it's boring seeing Fed as the almighty faction that reigns supreme over all.
I"ve seen FED kick TRIBBLE, I've seen KDF Kick TRIBBLE either side of the fence you go there's always a bigger fish.
If you're someone who wants happy rainbows and one big happy family.... then you're dellusional and boring yourself. I'm not asking for angry replies or rage-spam. Simply put.... the most BORING thing anyone can do is GIVE UP and say "HEY IT WILL BE EASIER TO MURRRGEEEE EVERYTHING LAWL LAWL LAWL CUZ I CANT STAND MY BUDDY WANTS TO PLAY KLINKY FOR 20 MINUTES IN A DAY COMPARED TO THE OTHER 4 HOURS HE SPENT ON FED" < seriously... that's what some of our lives are like people want ALL candy and no meat or potatoes. They simply like to vegitate under the fantasy they're all right all the time and that the Federation in Star Trek embodied everything good and the other folks? Oh my, they were bad.
If anything Star Trek has taught me, it's the same stuff real life has. We all endevour, we all strive.... we all try to simply survive. However in the end we all have our faults, limitations and desires and it's the quest to control them that counts. Not the delusion that one faction or the other embodies pure morality even if it seemed that way on T.V.
Note: More Territory Doesn't represent more power necessarily but so many NEW players seem to think that way thus making FED as the starting faction.... the one to likely stew on.
still u dont explain me how the BoP will kill the fed escort like you said
This cant happend unless the fed escort pilot is outgeared outskilled etc etc.
No way if u put same skill gear build BoP Vs fed escort or anything thats is decent gear and bop will win.
Its just a support little bugger called ''raider'' ship.
Not meant to hold up a fight not meant to deal top dps.
If you put my scourge destroyer which is similar to fed escorts to fight my own ''tough'' BoP there is no way in this galaxy the bop will win the fight.
Also for the ''better captain than me'' i dont think so because you are afraid of BoP's :P
Anyway i bypass that since we lost the subject of the conversation.
Yeah i care for the console cause my spec is based around this console also i paid for the console with RL money and i think its unfair to give it away just for a couple of EC.
This console is one of the few unique toys kdf arsenal has left.Federation constantly gets new ships and new consoles with them KDF doesnt so sharing this unique console is like burying KDF even further into the ground causing the reaction of many kdf players newer or older who are told that new content will arrive and nothing comes not even ships and new consoles. Also sharing the console is just like nerfing the console itself and kdf along because we dont have many good unique toys left around. The console wont be good enough for feds also if both faction have it and both sides will be wasting a console slot just to gain 0 power. Its pointless.
My arguments are valid from all points of view
Even from company wise looks it doesnt benefit the company simply because this console will give them more real money if it remains on vandal scourge destoyer than the lockboxes trust me. Simply because the ppl that are gone buy lockboxes are gone buy them anyway no matter if it has the console in it or no! most ppl buy the lockboxes for the ships and not the consoles simply because they get the consoles cheaper at the exchange.
And from the other hand a lot of ppl will roll kdf just to build nice leech builds by buying this console and combining it with energy siphons or siphon drones or polarons or all 2gether. If they roll kdf to build nice leech builds by combining the console they will buy nice z store kdf ships also! Meaning more money for the company and a console that is actually does something even if that something is for kdf side only. Yes all sides have something powerful lets leave KDF have one decent unique console and a motivation for ppl to play KDF in order to make specific builds!
Fed got other toys like tractors and other nasty stuff and lots of ppl will play fed just for those
Its the same thing for KDF also dont ruin the faction it doesnt benefit the company the change of uniqueness of each faction.
Let the faction remain unique cause u give motives to play both factions!!!
Recently i started playing federation cause of the fed escort carrier and a couple of unique consoles they have. Things that i was planning to buy in future.
Now if u give me what they got then i will just stick to my kdf cause i like the ship designs i got more than the federation saucer luxury junk design.
You guys up there i believe you are logical persons i cant even believe that rumor exists