Well that wouldn't change the game much, this console isn't that great, and I don't mind if the KDF gets something good in return, let's say this darn sovy retrotif gas console or the ablative one from the Intrepid... :rolleyes:
z0gra, please settle down. I understand you're passionate about this but going to the point of Troll isn't helping your cause or the KDF for that matter. Don't lower yourself to what those select few Federation Fanboy trolls do. Not not all Federation only players are like that, there are just too many trolls to see through the trees.
Well that wouldn't change the game much, this console isn't that great, and I don't mind if the KDF gets something good in return, let's say this darn sovy retrotif gas console or the ablative one from the Intrepid... :rolleyes:
If we got the Sovereign gas console I might be okay with it. But really I think they need to stop with the cross faction console TRIBBLE. Make new unique consoles that can only be gained through the lock boxes, then 90% of paying customers will be happy.
Support the Game by Supporting the KDF, equality and uniqueness for all factions!
look i love my kdf but face it, its time to cut bait and be done with it.
this is what i would do.
make an fe about jempok and how he was replaced with an undine infiltrator and expose him by finding the real jempok who then reinstates the fed kdf alliance and rollout the romulans.
Truth be told, I am not entirely against the Federation and Klingon empire being allies again storywise, so long as they continue to remain separate factions, and keep their faction exclusives(e.g. ships, quests and locations) however, if they came out with a playable Romulan faction, I am afraid I would have to jump ship. Especially if I could be Reman!
If we got the Sovereign gas console I might be okay with it. But really I think they need to stop with the cross faction console TRIBBLE. Make new unique consoles that can only be gained through the lock boxes, then 90% of paying customers will be happy.
Agreed, but it requires work and manpower, something cryptic isn't likely investing into lockboxes. Some good examples:
- All the lockbox ships were NPC premade ships. No new ships.
- It relies on existing systems: doffs, consoles, weapons. It doesn't add anything to the game.
If cryptic is willing to cut costs, no doubt they will likely throw every KDF console in the FED lockbox stuff and give the KDF significant ones in return (hopefully). Making a new console take times and doesn't help to make profits. :rolleyes:
Since the last KDF consoles are the best ones (especially the aceton assimilator) I think it could be interesting to say that if cryptics management isn't willing to release new consoles then the KDF could get the best fed ones too. The point defense system in exchange of a subspace jump is a joke; I bought some boxes for my fed chars but I'll never open them on my kdf ones. PDS is one of the most useless console ever.
Frankly I never understood why it exists. This is a Star Trek game. Star Trek is based on the Federation's point of view. It was a mistake to have any other faction in the game to begin with. Simply release different races ships into the z-store and let people pretend to be whatever race they want.
You know that is the most petty excuse I hear from Federation fans, not saying your one, people who throw that excuse simply do not understand what a game is. It's there to do things they couldn't possibly be done on a TV show or movie. We all agree a Klingon only TV series wouldn't last long enough to cover the expenses of the sets. But a game, allows us other species fans to live in those cultures and enjoy the experience.
Also it's the C-store not the Z-Store, the Cryptic Store just uses Zen. Branflakes has officially stated that, and it stills says C-store in-game.
I have no intention of playing STO if they just give up to silly fed demands as self concerned as "roll the KDF into the feds and be done with them".
Its an affront to my fandom and anyone who has ever found the Klingons what they enjoy about star trek.
Sadly its not surprising iether. Many times the feds have shown they only value themselves and thier concerns over sharing the Genre with any other fans that it has spawned.
Thats the true sad thing. All fans cant enjoy a MMO based on the genre unless the feds agree.
How noble of them. How accepting of our diferences to deem we KDF fans are worthy of thier hand_me_downs only.
A lot of the Federation Fan-Boy's in this game and Cryptic itself it seems simply don't understand the Federation morals etc. Universal acceptance, non-discrimination and all that, simply doesn't exist in this game evident by the development of this game and the players who sprout that the KDF shouldn't exist, they should be part of the Federation etc and so on and so forth.
Support the Game by Supporting the KDF, equality and uniqueness for all factions!
I wasn't proposing the removal of the KDF ships just a decentralisation of the game from the Federation's point of view. Removal of the KDF as a separate faction would simply give access to all items to both sides. You could still be a klingon is you wanted to. You could still fly a BoP if you wanted to.
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Personally I hope Season 7 brings an end to the Fed - KDF war and Season 8 & 9 bring about some of these changes. I think the game would benefit from them greatly.
Actually, from what's gone on in the STO storyline it's the Federation that should be getting downsized. It's obvious the Feds have an Undine problem in their upper echelons that has not been dealt with. When the Undine make their move, institute draconian police state measures for "security" and begin oppressing the multitudes I'm sure the Empire will be most generous in accepting seceding planets/defecting starships into the KDF - as probationary members, naturally. With a Fed civil war the most likely outcome of the Undine takeover, the Empire probably won't annex too much Fed territory (don't want to spread our forces too thin).
It's cool though, because you could still play a Betazoid or Vulcan and fly Fed ships. Just get used to a red UI and some hardcore no-nonsense "morale" officers. :cool:
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Ofc one faction only is not good for the game or for the community.
Ppl want many faction and the unique things into those factions.
The talk here is to let KDF exist! By sharing leech console is like giving one of the major tactical reasons for someone to roll and stick to a KDF char. Also if we share the console its like nerfing the value of the console and KDF in general because we wont be getting any power at all its a pure nerf of the console cause this console is meant to be on one side only so it actually works and give us back +17power max. If both sides have it then no one is gone leech any power at all!
Here i copy paste this so you understand better why KDF must not get nerfed and MUST remain as it is now.
This console is one of the few unique toys kdf arsenal has left.Federation constantly gets new ships and new consoles with them KDF doesnt so sharing this unique console is like burying KDF even further into the ground causing the reaction of many kdf players newer or older who are told that new content will arrive and nothing comes not even ships and new consoles. Also sharing the console is just like nerfing the console itself and kdf along because we dont have many good unique toys left around. The console wont be good enough for feds also if both faction have it and both sides will be wasting a console slot just to gain 0 power. Its pointless.
My arguments are valid from all points of view
Even from company wise looks it doesnt benefit the company simply because this console will give them more real money if it remains on vandal scourge destoyer than the lockboxes trust me. Simply because the ppl that are gone buy lockboxes are gone buy them anyway no matter if it has the console in it or no! most ppl buy the lockboxes for the ships and not the consoles simply because they get the consoles cheaper at the exchange.
And from the other hand a lot of ppl will roll kdf just to build nice leech builds by buying this console and combining it with energy siphons or siphon drones or polarons or all 2gether. If they roll kdf to build nice leech builds by combining the console they will buy nice z store kdf ships also! Meaning more money for the company and a console that is actually does something even if that something is for kdf side only. Yes all sides have something powerful lets leave KDF have one decent unique console and a motivation for ppl to play KDF in order to make specific builds!
Fed got other toys like tractors and other nasty stuff and lots of ppl will play fed just for those
Its the same thing for KDF also dont ruin the faction it doesnt benefit the company the change of uniqueness of each faction.
Let the faction remain unique cause u give motives to play both factions!!!
Recently i started playing federation cause of the fed escort carrier and a couple of unique consoles they have. Things that i was planning to buy in future.
Now if u give me what they got then i will just stick to my kdf cause i like the ship designs i got more than the federation saucer luxury junk design.
You guys up there i believe you are logical persons i cant even believe that rumor exists
Let them have any console we got as long as this doesnt affect us!
The leech console will affect us because whoever kdf got the leech console wont be getting any power drain if the enemy has it also. The consoles will be cancelling the drain effect.
Also for pve wise this console is not good enough
It doesnt even offer an dps increase.
For pve bio neutral warhead is a top console because its a pure dps increase.
But if they get leech console it doesnt help them for pve and its like nerfing kdf at pvp.
feds got new toys and tractor stuff we KDF only had leech builds and now if we share the console then its like nerfing the only reason some ppl will stick to KDF.
You understand now why i react so much about this console?
ok fed gets all new cool stuff we get nothing but at least DONT NERF US BY CANCELLING OUR DRAIN EFFECT FROM THE LEECH CONSOLE
Some might not understand because you didnt fight another kdf with same console to see what happends .
I did challenge my fleet leader just for fun because we wher bored.
The fight wasnt good enough both of us had the console leeching each other cancelling the effect resulting in a total mess of our power settings!
It felt like we where both wasting a slot for a console that does nothing!
Thats my point here if fed gets it also its like nerfing the console itself and its like leaving KDF with no more unique toys and no more motivations for someone to roll and stick with a kdf char.
Enough said my dog understand my point better than some humans....
No offense to anyone but just saying this is so simple any other console wont affect KDF but this specific console will have BIG impact on many KDF players like me who are speced for using the leech console and speced to get in return +17 power max from that console and not 0 (ZERO) power.
im with the OP on this, don't kill the KDF! I am a KDF fan (i think it's more fun than Fed :P) and i hope Fed's do NOT get their own version of the Bird of Prey as Bird of Preys are a KDF only thing :mad:
I want o add my 1 cent worth. I think the FED KDF war is moot. First, it is over done in my opinion. Second, I feel like it totally took the back seat to the Borg. When I played the tutorial for the very first time, I wanted it to be the Klingons attacking. Why even use the Borg there? Then on the KDF side it cold have you playing Klink and attcking starfleet or simply defending your KDF from Starfleet forces. That sounds, easy and logical. I mean, when you saw the advertisements for STO it showed Starfleet waring with Klingons. But then you enter the game and play the tutorial and you are facing the Borg. I know, many wont agree, but for me, it killed alot of the momentum with the Klingons. The faction specifically. Now look, there is no tutorial for KDF. You start at what, LVL 20? Run around first city? KDF shouldnt be thrown away. And now I think it is too late to rework the tutorial for both factions. Just end the war that seemed to never exist. Give the KDF faction an honest to goodness tutorial. Start us off on a ship as lowly warrior, give us stupid little tasks that increase in importance then when we get to the point where we can captain the ship, let our captain do something cowerdly so we can challenge him/her and kill the dog. That's klingon.
look i love my kdf but face it, its time to cut bait and be done with it.
this is what i would do.
make an fe about jempok and how he was replaced with an undine infiltrator and expose him by finding the real jempok who then reinstates the fed kdf alliance and rollout the romulans.
Merging the KDF and Feds in to a single faction is impracticable from a cannon stand point as well. It's not just Klingons and Orions, its also Gorn, Nausicans, Lethans and Ferasans. Those species are either highly mercenary or simply don't get along with the Federation at all. Never have and never will.
The closest of those four that might be willing to work with the Federation is the Gorn.
As if there wasn't enough things keeping players from the KDF(over year old bugs, IGNORED by Cryptic, lack of story content) now the Feds are starting to get our consoles. Rumor has it Feds are getting OUR plasmonic leech. How much more is Cryptic going to destroy what makes the KDF unique. Feds now have subspace jump and carriers. Previous announcements said the Feds wouldn't get a carrier and then out of nowhere comes 2. The destruction of the KDF has to stop.
I would love to have more that makes each faction unique (and that includes Romulans whenever they show up), but its been practice for some time (i.e. before Tholian lock boxes) now that Feds will get a KDF console and the KDF will get a Fed console in the various lockboxes.
I play as a Fed, and I use the subspace jump console, but I still think it's unfair to the KDF. If they give us plasmonic leach, they might as well give us battle cloak. Keep unique things to each side!
I would love to have more that makes each faction unique (and that includes Romulans whenever they show up), but its been practice for some time (i.e. before Tholian lock boxes) now that Feds will get a KDF console and the KDF will get a Fed console in the various lockboxes.
I find it REALLY bothersome that the feds can get KDF consoles cheaper than the KDF can get KDF consoles.
I guess they're bothered that I can get their consoles cheaper than they can get their consoles, but thats THIER problem.
Feds can get KDF consoles and KDF can get Fed consoles. It seems fairly equitable.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
Guys & Gals, lets keep the personal attacks off the forums
You're more than welcome to debate another person's stance on this topic but calling them names doesn't help your situation plus can lead to warnings which is not fun
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First of all ty all who support me (at least the high majority only one or two didnt fully support my threads)
Now this is a feedback threat in order to improve or better say to save the game from greedy not well thought ''rumors"
As you see ppl wants KDF alive and also wish to expand also not to bury us into the ground
The reason is simple because many of us play STO only because we enjoy the KDF army and not the federation luxury. Its a matter of style and preference you cant take this away from us or else you WILL loose current kdf customers and many potential KDF future customers.
Also i have proved that if you share the plasmonic leech console via lockboxes it will be a rip off for a console that if both sides have it will be doing nothing and both sides will be wasting a console slot just to gain 0 power and players will get mad for that and say this is a rip off again.
Also i have proven that if you share the console its like a pure nerf to the console itself and KDF itself when on the other hard you seem to work only on federation new ships and consoles. When KDF doesnt rly needs a nerf but more content including ships and let lvl 1 players play KDF if they wish.....You will be amazed to see KDF number raise rapidly and also you will be amazed how many noob kdf will get blown up by federation players breaking the myths that KDF is more powerful.
KDF isnt more powerful but due to lvl 25 limitation i believe it gathers more experienced players.
In Fact premade kdf against premade Federation i am sorry to say but federation wins most of the fights...... so many tractors we cant turn to focus fire on 1 ship so we get it down and score a kill thats the sad truth...... anyway
So if you want to make more money you have to work on that by introducing new stuff like the fleet starbases and the new open world areas where many ppl can run same quests at the same time. That was a good job keep this up! But in the name of holy marry dont take stuff they already exist and bring them via lockboxes... Especially KDF stuff because you do NOT introduce new kdf stuff like you do with federation! We have to keep some unique stuff on each faction so players get motivated to play each faction otherwise you shorten the game life and all players will just play 1 char on 1 faction and get all stuff they want there.
All of those proves that its better interest for the company to keep leech console on vandal destroyer than to just nerf the console and kdf by throwing that console in a lockbox that ppl that are bying lockboxes are gone buy them anyway and the ppl that want this specific console gone get it from the exchange for a couple of EC when all kdf ppl paid for RL money to get this console.
I paid zen to get the console and now some ppl are gone buy it for EC that is not the best interest for your company and its not fair for the ppl that bought the console for ZEN.
If you do that you just destroy the KDF value even more and if you destroy one of the two faction its like damaging the game itself.
Bring new stuff on each faction but dont take our few stuff that we still got unique and share them with all faction. Its like you show us the ''play federation only" or the "exit way" but we where good and loyal customers all these years.
We started the got in love with the game cause of KDF some of us and that was great despite the lack of content and attention lately we liked the bad mercenary cloths and nice war ship designed and we RPed a lot as KDF and we all have some nice time.
Dont take down KDF simple because KDF is a part of STO if you bring down KDF you bring down STO itself.
Keep the factions unique and introduce new stuff! If you gotta share something share something that doesnt has complications, effect cancellations and faction impact if its shared. like the bio neutral warhead which its a pure dps boost that doesnt have any cancellation effect or any other complication and its great for pve and for pvp if more bursty dps is needed.
If you think in not so much depth you will understand that i am totally right this is the best for ALL of us and the company.
You are the gods of this game PWE DEVS and whoever is taking the calls plz dont start wasting this nice game i beg you.
Instead give it some time and advertise it properly (i help on that with youtube cool kdf vids!)and DEVELOP it even more last months i have seen nice work on that keep this up and you will be amazed to see how much more this game can succeed!!!
But those lockboxes are a major setback if you ask me even noob players can understand that its not good enough to be based on luck to get something when you can get the same stuff from the exchange or Z/C store with 100% chance to get it.
All I got was "Waaaa dont take away the incredibly OP advantage I have using 1 console that has the effect of 16 engineering consoles!"
16 = 4 of each console that grants +4 power to one subsystem. I'm pretty sure the Mk XII ones add 4 anyway.
I say again, that is 1 console doing the work of 16!!! :eek:
This needs bringing to the Feds just to maintain balance for pvp.
Just to throw the KDF a bone give them something useful like Antimatter Spread in exhange.:)
You talk about OP advantage but you dont ask to share us maco shields and tractor pets.
Each faction got its own OP advantages KDF had this console so you stack it with polarons and energy siphons drones or powers in order to have an overall nice vampire build!
You got ur own stuff and they are more than that stuff we got i wont analyse both because i dont have the time and i dont know so good excactly all ur tricks but i know and i have seen they are there on veteran feds not on 5 days f2ps....
The fact is that both faction are considered balanced and somehow different (unique) and thats the cool thing about factions if they exist so they are unique but both viable.
And so far the game has succeed on that and a lot of its success is based on that.
Also if you ever played KDF vs FED premade fight you would see that our ''OP'' advantages is not what will grant us victory but its teamplay and organization in team ship roles/builds before the fight.
Now you talked about balance when you got all the attention and you get all the new toys, tractor pets escort carriers and their consoles you got many unique ''OP'' things from the past like the maco shields and consoles and now you want our last unique console just to dominate any competition out of the way.
And now you want the emblem of KDF the leech console just for a couple of EC.....
When many of us rolled KDF and paid with real money just to plan a leech build.
NOT FAIR!
Also stop whining plz about KDF when we got a lot of more stuff to whine for FED.
Check things in action maybe try a premade pvp where u all speak in vent and organize and got all kinds of ship organized in order to fight another fleet and then you will see who is 'OP' if anyone is. All the match i did and still cant tell for sure if any side is overpower and you just sorted that out by some grocery pen and papper maths you just showed above....
Thank god its only a few of you who stick to fed chars only and even the majority of the federation wouldnt like that console in a lockbox. Simply because the console will loose its power if shared due to cancellation effect and it will be a waste of console slot so they preffer to keep it unique for their kdf chars . Also if shared there will be no true reason besides the looks to play with our KDF chars anymore. So its somehow like wasting the whole faction just to get federation even more ''OP'' than already is and looks thats why the majority of federation players who have kdf character also dont like this idea and preffer to keep the console unique on kdf side.
Yeah i am federation also i got my lvl 50 tac
like many other KDF peps and the opposite.
And thats the reason why some things must remain unique cause when i get bored of tractors and CC i switch to my KDF vampire and when i get bored of my KDF vampire i switch to my FED OP ESCORT carrier with free endless tractor beams, maco shields 3x borg set and 3x tac boffs and lt commander engineer and NOTHING can kill me ever unless i go afk.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO KNOW MORE???
Now if you are bored to read all this wall of text above in simple words: If you get leech console along with all the new toys FED got ONLY then FED will be having to much and KDF will be having very few things for someone to play kdf anymore and this is just not right at all.
Ok this is my last post cause i gotta play some games rather than waste my time here.
Besides i bet devs and PWE is not even looking at what i write here.
I am here not to talk just to prove that this is so wrong and unfair not only for me but the game itself and the company for money making reasons also!
So since i proved with facts that this is so unfair then i believe i can justify my withdrawal from the game without any hard feelings from anyone especially the company that took lots of my money in order to nerf me months after.
I announce that if you share leech console via lockboxes i out the game simply because u mess my powers all over cross the board very much thing that we didnt agree when i bought the console for RL money and i speced my skills just for the use of this console for RL money also.
With my talk here i have proven that sharing this specific console its not fair for the KDF as faction its not fair for the kdf ppl that bought the console with RL money and its not fair for the console itself because it will loose its role. Its role is to drain energy from enemy ship and not to cancel drain effects!
So i know you dont care and you wont even read but i promise that if u share console with lockboxes the next day i will be gone and i just thought you might wanna know that because i am good customer i have been playing since it went f2p but since i started to play i ''feed'' this game more than any other games i play.
I got tired to try to prove what is better for this game besides i am just a player its ur game if you want to ruin it go ahead and do it but i warned you that is not good for the game and there will be at least one ME that will quit the game instantly.
Thats all ty for ur time if u read at what i write and may the god bless you.
When you blur the lines of distinction between factions until the line disappears, factions become obsolete and unnecessary. This has long been an issue with STO. The only distinction that really has ever existed in this game is that one faction has content while the other does not. Blizzaard didn't dilute the three factions in Staarcraft until each was indistinguishable from the other (Waarcraft is a different story). No, each faction has its own strengths and weakness to be exploited by the respective players. The difference between Blizzaard and Cryptic is Blizzaard knows how to make good games.
Jack Emmert: "Starfleet and Klingon. ... So two factions, full PvE content." Al Rivera hates Klingons Star Trek Online: Agents of Jack Emmert All cloaks should be canon.
You don't see Protoss using Zerglings. Factions need to be distinct. Period. When you blur the lines of distinction between factions then factions become unnecessary and obsolete. It is then that your game has jumped the shark. Now you can jump the shark in sporty racing pixels.
Jack Emmert: "Starfleet and Klingon. ... So two factions, full PvE content." Al Rivera hates Klingons Star Trek Online: Agents of Jack Emmert All cloaks should be canon.
Kill the faction? This faction was killed two years ago. The only reason the walking dead KDF faction still shambles about wearing leftover development scraps is because of the loyal and increasingly angered fans of the IP who enjoy playing it for what it represents not what new toy Cryptic Mommy extends into their ever outreaching, never satisfied hands.
Jack Emmert: "Starfleet and Klingon. ... So two factions, full PvE content." Al Rivera hates Klingons Star Trek Online: Agents of Jack Emmert All cloaks should be canon.
We understand that just fine. You fail to understand that PWE will do whatever it takes to keep STO in the black as it's most popular MMO. That means that at some point, the Leech Console will be available for Feds. Get over it or move on.
ATM, this is nothing but a rumor anyways. The more you talk about it, the more likely the support for Feds having it will grow, not shrink. So stop with the spaz already. If/when it happens, neither your opinions, nor mine, will hold any sway over Cryptic/PWE's decision in the matter.
You know Cryptic has Jumped the Proverbial Shark when they introduced Tractor Pulling to Star Trek Online!
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God, lvl 60 CW. 17k.
If we got the Sovereign gas console I might be okay with it. But really I think they need to stop with the cross faction console TRIBBLE. Make new unique consoles that can only be gained through the lock boxes, then 90% of paying customers will be happy.
Truth be told, I am not entirely against the Federation and Klingon empire being allies again storywise, so long as they continue to remain separate factions, and keep their faction exclusives(e.g. ships, quests and locations) however, if they came out with a playable Romulan faction, I am afraid I would have to jump ship. Especially if I could be Reman!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpfbJLLbczs
Agreed, but it requires work and manpower, something cryptic isn't likely investing into lockboxes. Some good examples:
- All the lockbox ships were NPC premade ships. No new ships.
- It relies on existing systems: doffs, consoles, weapons. It doesn't add anything to the game.
If cryptic is willing to cut costs, no doubt they will likely throw every KDF console in the FED lockbox stuff and give the KDF significant ones in return (hopefully). Making a new console take times and doesn't help to make profits. :rolleyes:
Since the last KDF consoles are the best ones (especially the aceton assimilator) I think it could be interesting to say that if cryptics management isn't willing to release new consoles then the KDF could get the best fed ones too. The point defense system in exchange of a subspace jump is a joke; I bought some boxes for my fed chars but I'll never open them on my kdf ones. PDS is one of the most useless console ever.
God, lvl 60 CW. 17k.
You know that is the most petty excuse I hear from Federation fans, not saying your one, people who throw that excuse simply do not understand what a game is. It's there to do things they couldn't possibly be done on a TV show or movie. We all agree a Klingon only TV series wouldn't last long enough to cover the expenses of the sets. But a game, allows us other species fans to live in those cultures and enjoy the experience.
Also it's the C-store not the Z-Store, the Cryptic Store just uses Zen. Branflakes has officially stated that, and it stills says C-store in-game.
A lot of the Federation Fan-Boy's in this game and Cryptic itself it seems simply don't understand the Federation morals etc. Universal acceptance, non-discrimination and all that, simply doesn't exist in this game evident by the development of this game and the players who sprout that the KDF shouldn't exist, they should be part of the Federation etc and so on and so forth.
Actually, from what's gone on in the STO storyline it's the Federation that should be getting downsized. It's obvious the Feds have an Undine problem in their upper echelons that has not been dealt with. When the Undine make their move, institute draconian police state measures for "security" and begin oppressing the multitudes I'm sure the Empire will be most generous in accepting seceding planets/defecting starships into the KDF - as probationary members, naturally. With a Fed civil war the most likely outcome of the Undine takeover, the Empire probably won't annex too much Fed territory (don't want to spread our forces too thin).
It's cool though, because you could still play a Betazoid or Vulcan and fly Fed ships. Just get used to a red UI and some hardcore no-nonsense "morale" officers. :cool:
When we're gone the feds will beg for us to come back, like a whiny ex girlfriend who just wont leave you alone.
Ofc one faction only is not good for the game or for the community.
Ppl want many faction and the unique things into those factions.
The talk here is to let KDF exist! By sharing leech console is like giving one of the major tactical reasons for someone to roll and stick to a KDF char. Also if we share the console its like nerfing the value of the console and KDF in general because we wont be getting any power at all its a pure nerf of the console cause this console is meant to be on one side only so it actually works and give us back +17power max. If both sides have it then no one is gone leech any power at all!
Here i copy paste this so you understand better why KDF must not get nerfed and MUST remain as it is now.
This console is one of the few unique toys kdf arsenal has left.Federation constantly gets new ships and new consoles with them KDF doesnt so sharing this unique console is like burying KDF even further into the ground causing the reaction of many kdf players newer or older who are told that new content will arrive and nothing comes not even ships and new consoles. Also sharing the console is just like nerfing the console itself and kdf along because we dont have many good unique toys left around. The console wont be good enough for feds also if both faction have it and both sides will be wasting a console slot just to gain 0 power. Its pointless.
My arguments are valid from all points of view
Even from company wise looks it doesnt benefit the company simply because this console will give them more real money if it remains on vandal scourge destoyer than the lockboxes trust me. Simply because the ppl that are gone buy lockboxes are gone buy them anyway no matter if it has the console in it or no! most ppl buy the lockboxes for the ships and not the consoles simply because they get the consoles cheaper at the exchange.
And from the other hand a lot of ppl will roll kdf just to build nice leech builds by buying this console and combining it with energy siphons or siphon drones or polarons or all 2gether. If they roll kdf to build nice leech builds by combining the console they will buy nice z store kdf ships also! Meaning more money for the company and a console that is actually does something even if that something is for kdf side only. Yes all sides have something powerful lets leave KDF have one decent unique console and a motivation for ppl to play KDF in order to make specific builds!
Fed got other toys like tractors and other nasty stuff and lots of ppl will play fed just for those
Its the same thing for KDF also dont ruin the faction it doesnt benefit the company the change of uniqueness of each faction.
Let the faction remain unique cause u give motives to play both factions!!!
Recently i started playing federation cause of the fed escort carrier and a couple of unique consoles they have. Things that i was planning to buy in future.
Now if u give me what they got then i will just stick to my kdf cause i like the ship designs i got more than the federation saucer luxury junk design.
You guys up there i believe you are logical persons i cant even believe that rumor exists
Let them have any console we got as long as this doesnt affect us!
The leech console will affect us because whoever kdf got the leech console wont be getting any power drain if the enemy has it also. The consoles will be cancelling the drain effect.
Also for pve wise this console is not good enough
It doesnt even offer an dps increase.
For pve bio neutral warhead is a top console because its a pure dps increase.
But if they get leech console it doesnt help them for pve and its like nerfing kdf at pvp.
feds got new toys and tractor stuff we KDF only had leech builds and now if we share the console then its like nerfing the only reason some ppl will stick to KDF.
You understand now why i react so much about this console?
ok fed gets all new cool stuff we get nothing but at least DONT NERF US BY CANCELLING OUR DRAIN EFFECT FROM THE LEECH CONSOLE
eNOUGH SAID!
I did challenge my fleet leader just for fun because we wher bored.
The fight wasnt good enough both of us had the console leeching each other cancelling the effect resulting in a total mess of our power settings!
It felt like we where both wasting a slot for a console that does nothing!
Thats my point here if fed gets it also its like nerfing the console itself and its like leaving KDF with no more unique toys and no more motivations for someone to roll and stick with a kdf char.
Enough said my dog understand my point better than some humans....
No offense to anyone but just saying this is so simple any other console wont affect KDF but this specific console will have BIG impact on many KDF players like me who are speced for using the leech console and speced to get in return +17 power max from that console and not 0 (ZERO) power.
All I got was "Waaaa dont take away the incredibly OP advantage I have using 1 console that has the effect of 16 engineering consoles!"
16 = 4 of each console that grants +4 power to one subsystem. I'm pretty sure the Mk XII ones add 4 anyway.
I say again, that is 1 console doing the work of 16!!! :eek:
This needs bringing to the Feds just to maintain balance for pvp.
Just to throw the KDF a bone give them something useful like Antimatter Spread in exhange.:)
Is THAT fair ?
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Merging the KDF and Feds in to a single faction is impracticable from a cannon stand point as well. It's not just Klingons and Orions, its also Gorn, Nausicans, Lethans and Ferasans. Those species are either highly mercenary or simply don't get along with the Federation at all. Never have and never will.
The closest of those four that might be willing to work with the Federation is the Gorn.
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I find it REALLY bothersome that the feds can get KDF consoles cheaper than the KDF can get KDF consoles.
I guess they're bothered that I can get their consoles cheaper than they can get their consoles, but thats THIER problem.
:P
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Now this is a feedback threat in order to improve or better say to save the game from greedy not well thought ''rumors"
As you see ppl wants KDF alive and also wish to expand also not to bury us into the ground
The reason is simple because many of us play STO only because we enjoy the KDF army and not the federation luxury. Its a matter of style and preference you cant take this away from us or else you WILL loose current kdf customers and many potential KDF future customers.
Also i have proved that if you share the plasmonic leech console via lockboxes it will be a rip off for a console that if both sides have it will be doing nothing and both sides will be wasting a console slot just to gain 0 power and players will get mad for that and say this is a rip off again.
Also i have proven that if you share the console its like a pure nerf to the console itself and KDF itself when on the other hard you seem to work only on federation new ships and consoles. When KDF doesnt rly needs a nerf but more content including ships and let lvl 1 players play KDF if they wish.....You will be amazed to see KDF number raise rapidly and also you will be amazed how many noob kdf will get blown up by federation players breaking the myths that KDF is more powerful.
KDF isnt more powerful but due to lvl 25 limitation i believe it gathers more experienced players.
In Fact premade kdf against premade Federation i am sorry to say but federation wins most of the fights...... so many tractors we cant turn to focus fire on 1 ship so we get it down and score a kill thats the sad truth...... anyway
So if you want to make more money you have to work on that by introducing new stuff like the fleet starbases and the new open world areas where many ppl can run same quests at the same time. That was a good job keep this up! But in the name of holy marry dont take stuff they already exist and bring them via lockboxes... Especially KDF stuff because you do NOT introduce new kdf stuff like you do with federation! We have to keep some unique stuff on each faction so players get motivated to play each faction otherwise you shorten the game life and all players will just play 1 char on 1 faction and get all stuff they want there.
All of those proves that its better interest for the company to keep leech console on vandal destroyer than to just nerf the console and kdf by throwing that console in a lockbox that ppl that are bying lockboxes are gone buy them anyway and the ppl that want this specific console gone get it from the exchange for a couple of EC when all kdf ppl paid for RL money to get this console.
I paid zen to get the console and now some ppl are gone buy it for EC that is not the best interest for your company and its not fair for the ppl that bought the console for ZEN.
If you do that you just destroy the KDF value even more and if you destroy one of the two faction its like damaging the game itself.
Bring new stuff on each faction but dont take our few stuff that we still got unique and share them with all faction. Its like you show us the ''play federation only" or the "exit way" but we where good and loyal customers all these years.
We started the got in love with the game cause of KDF some of us and that was great despite the lack of content and attention lately we liked the bad mercenary cloths and nice war ship designed and we RPed a lot as KDF and we all have some nice time.
Dont take down KDF simple because KDF is a part of STO if you bring down KDF you bring down STO itself.
Keep the factions unique and introduce new stuff! If you gotta share something share something that doesnt has complications, effect cancellations and faction impact if its shared. like the bio neutral warhead which its a pure dps boost that doesnt have any cancellation effect or any other complication and its great for pve and for pvp if more bursty dps is needed.
If you think in not so much depth you will understand that i am totally right this is the best for ALL of us and the company.
You are the gods of this game PWE DEVS and whoever is taking the calls plz dont start wasting this nice game i beg you.
Instead give it some time and advertise it properly (i help on that with youtube cool kdf vids!)and DEVELOP it even more last months i have seen nice work on that keep this up and you will be amazed to see how much more this game can succeed!!!
But those lockboxes are a major setback if you ask me even noob players can understand that its not good enough to be based on luck to get something when you can get the same stuff from the exchange or Z/C store with 100% chance to get it.
You talk about OP advantage but you dont ask to share us maco shields and tractor pets.
Each faction got its own OP advantages KDF had this console so you stack it with polarons and energy siphons drones or powers in order to have an overall nice vampire build!
You got ur own stuff and they are more than that stuff we got i wont analyse both because i dont have the time and i dont know so good excactly all ur tricks but i know and i have seen they are there on veteran feds not on 5 days f2ps....
The fact is that both faction are considered balanced and somehow different (unique) and thats the cool thing about factions if they exist so they are unique but both viable.
And so far the game has succeed on that and a lot of its success is based on that.
Also if you ever played KDF vs FED premade fight you would see that our ''OP'' advantages is not what will grant us victory but its teamplay and organization in team ship roles/builds before the fight.
Now you talked about balance when you got all the attention and you get all the new toys, tractor pets escort carriers and their consoles you got many unique ''OP'' things from the past like the maco shields and consoles and now you want our last unique console just to dominate any competition out of the way.
And now you want the emblem of KDF the leech console just for a couple of EC.....
When many of us rolled KDF and paid with real money just to plan a leech build.
NOT FAIR!
Also stop whining plz about KDF when we got a lot of more stuff to whine for FED.
Check things in action maybe try a premade pvp where u all speak in vent and organize and got all kinds of ship organized in order to fight another fleet and then you will see who is 'OP' if anyone is. All the match i did and still cant tell for sure if any side is overpower and you just sorted that out by some grocery pen and papper maths you just showed above....
Thank god its only a few of you who stick to fed chars only and even the majority of the federation wouldnt like that console in a lockbox. Simply because the console will loose its power if shared due to cancellation effect and it will be a waste of console slot so they preffer to keep it unique for their kdf chars . Also if shared there will be no true reason besides the looks to play with our KDF chars anymore. So its somehow like wasting the whole faction just to get federation even more ''OP'' than already is and looks thats why the majority of federation players who have kdf character also dont like this idea and preffer to keep the console unique on kdf side.
Yeah i am federation also i got my lvl 50 tac
like many other KDF peps and the opposite.
And thats the reason why some things must remain unique cause when i get bored of tractors and CC i switch to my KDF vampire and when i get bored of my KDF vampire i switch to my FED OP ESCORT carrier with free endless tractor beams, maco shields 3x borg set and 3x tac boffs and lt commander engineer and NOTHING can kill me ever unless i go afk.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO KNOW MORE???
Now if you are bored to read all this wall of text above in simple words:
If you get leech console along with all the new toys FED got ONLY then FED will be having to much and KDF will be having very few things for someone to play kdf anymore and this is just not right at all.
Besides i bet devs and PWE is not even looking at what i write here.
I am here not to talk just to prove that this is so wrong and unfair not only for me but the game itself and the company for money making reasons also!
So since i proved with facts that this is so unfair then i believe i can justify my withdrawal from the game without any hard feelings from anyone especially the company that took lots of my money in order to nerf me months after.
I announce that if you share leech console via lockboxes i out the game simply because u mess my powers all over cross the board very much thing that we didnt agree when i bought the console for RL money and i speced my skills just for the use of this console for RL money also.
With my talk here i have proven that sharing this specific console its not fair for the KDF as faction its not fair for the kdf ppl that bought the console with RL money and its not fair for the console itself because it will loose its role. Its role is to drain energy from enemy ship and not to cancel drain effects!
So i know you dont care and you wont even read but i promise that if u share console with lockboxes the next day i will be gone and i just thought you might wanna know that because i am good customer i have been playing since it went f2p but since i started to play i ''feed'' this game more than any other games i play.
I got tired to try to prove what is better for this game besides i am just a player its ur game if you want to ruin it go ahead and do it but i warned you that is not good for the game and there will be at least one ME that will quit the game instantly.
Thats all ty for ur time if u read at what i write and may the god bless you.
Zog out.
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Al Rivera hates Klingons
Star Trek Online: Agents of Jack Emmert
All cloaks should be canon.
Al Rivera hates Klingons
Star Trek Online: Agents of Jack Emmert
All cloaks should be canon.
ATM, this is nothing but a rumor anyways. The more you talk about it, the more likely the support for Feds having it will grow, not shrink. So stop with the spaz already. If/when it happens, neither your opinions, nor mine, will hold any sway over Cryptic/PWE's decision in the matter.