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  • kamiyama317kamiyama317 Member Posts: 1,295 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    TRIBBLE the plasmonic leech. I think the Feds should get the Klingon Honor Guard set from the next lockbox.

    (runs quickly away)
  • buddha1369buddha1369 Member Posts: 386 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Remember- Feds got our subspace jump console- thru a lockbox and ultimately off the exchange. I MUST buy a c-store ship to get one for my KDF toon.

    Is THAT fair ?
    No its fair at all.

    You do know that the KDF can now buy fed unique consoles off the exchange too right, consoles feds have to pay zen for? And the PDS is better than the subspace jump anyway(personal O, not fact). But i forgot, this is not about logical arguements, its about whining. Only your side of the arguemsnt is the one that counts.
  • bubblygumsworthbubblygumsworth Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    [EDIT] Reply removed (Didnt read the post properly).
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  • skyranger1414skyranger1414 Member Posts: 1,785 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    The thing is that I spent REAL money on a ship to get PLC where if it was released as a lockbox item feds would only have to pay ec. Feds should be pissed that their unique consoles that came with a ship that was bought with real money too can now be bought with pretend money on the exchange.

    And fed players paid real money for the fed consoles YOU can buy off the exchange too. I don't see the problem. Its not like only feds can get the console reward packs.
  • reginamala78reginamala78 Member Posts: 4,593 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Is this psychotic ranting even sourced from anywhere, or just paranoia run rampant?
  • spartangamerspartangamer Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Is this psychotic ranting even sourced from anywhere, or just paranoia run rampant?

    Knowing Cryptic they will turn our paranoia into reality.
  • janetza#4790 janetza Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    And fed players paid real money for the fed consoles
    Of course. And that is not good. Because the only reason to buy that ships (for low level) is these consoles. And people bought them since they are presented. They used their money (10-15$/console is not bad), some used dilith exchange, which is not that easy way, because they payed with their time and grinding. So after all of this, they give this stuff for free (few ec lol) and it's not cool, sure thing people feel ripped off.
    YOU can buy off the exchange too. I don't see the problem. Its not like only feds can get the console reward packs.
    You can not compare kdf consoles with fed. KDF got little content, but at least this little is quality and unique. For many it is a reason to join kdf. Such an event gives a damage to kdf faction, which always was unfinished and lacked content.
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  • spartangamerspartangamer Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Not to mention if Feds get KDF content then less will be willing to roll a KDF toon
  • ussultimatumussultimatum Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    jnohd wrote: »
    Perhaps. But console boxes aren't the only reward from the lockbox gambling minigame, nor are they the top-end reward out of those boxes. I see no reason not to continue putting them in lockboxes if they were account-bound on the ships. I think more people are eyeing Freighters, Bug Ships, Cardie fish ships, and so on than the consoles... I know I will just buy the reward box off the exchange when I see it.

    I think there is possibly a manageable solution but I'm just not convinced that this is the direction Cryptic/PWE would take.

    Of course people want the ships, those are the big ticket items.

    However if you've been following the evolution of lockboxes one of the main conversations has been keeping players from feeling like they've been ripped off - and adding value to the boxes with things such as cross faction consoles & now mirror universe ships, etc., has seen a pretty drastic reduction in the amounts of complaints I see on the forums.


    jnohd wrote: »
    Lastly, there seems to me to be more EC in Master Keys than the box contents per Zen spent...

    The people who constantly open large volumes of lock boxes are not working off of any sort of logic.

    The thrill of the gamble is really the appeal for most of them, I imagine.

    I keep having to tell people in game that have spent 80$ or more on lockbox keys opening boxes, that they could have already bought themselves an orb or recluse if they'd sold the keys on the exchange.



    praghas wrote: »
    This is something I would agree with, if they get our unique consoles, then we should get theres....

    YOU ALREADY DO.

    I try to avoid using caps, but this thread deserves it.
  • lordmalak1lordmalak1 Member Posts: 4,681 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    buddha1369 wrote: »
    You do know that the KDF can now buy fed unique consoles off the exchange too right, consoles feds have to pay zen for? And the PDS is better than the subspace jump anyway(personal O, not fact). But i forgot, this is not about logical arguements, its about whining. Only your side of the arguemsnt is the one that counts.

    Yes, I'm aware of that (I have 2 point def consoles on KDF toons), but I also want the KDF Subspace jump console and I can't buy it for the measly 500k EC that the Feds can buy it for, it'll cost my KDF toon 1500 ZEN to get that console.

    Whats worse is that I CAN'T trade my PDS to a Fed for a subspace jumper. And yes, I'll have more cheese to go with my whine.
    ;)
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  • darkjeffdarkjeff Member Posts: 2,590 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    z0gra wrote: »
    No its not
    I'm pretty sure it's irony to whine like a petulant child about people acting like whiny children.
  • gstamo01gstamo01 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Considering my main is KDF, I am not a fan for the OP's use of "we" in his/her posts.

    While I may not be a fan of sharing faction consoles, I understand the reasoning behind it and have made my peace with it some time ago. OP, you need to do the same or just move on..


    @lordmalak1, I would support having a loot option when opening the box to be honest. So the player could pick which of the two consoles they want. IMO, that should drive more initial key sales, but at the cost of less zen kdf sales. They don't seem to concerned about kdf sales anyways, considering the lack of zen additions since the Bortasqu, so I don't see a problem with it honestly.
    You know Cryptic has Jumped the Proverbial Shark when they introduced Tractor Pulling to Star Trek Online! :D
  • gradstudent1gradstudent1 Member Posts: 633 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Well the rumors turned out to be nothing more than rumors, at least as far as this week's patch goes:

    http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=371891

    Two things:

    - I urge my fellow STO-players to post only "rumors" that can be substantiated through dev interviews, release notes, etc. While it is important to discuss hypothetical issues, inflaming the forums with rumors is rarely ever helpful and, as this thread clearly shows, sometimes brings out the very worst in people.

    - To PWE: Please learn from this thread. Consider very carefully how you handle faction-specific console issues, especially when it comes to the leech. This is an important piece for many KDF players, and you run the risk of generating further frustration if you do not approach this issue with balance, care, and with an eye toward player wishes.

    According to some threads, there may be a problem with the power insulators (http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=367061). Some members of my fleet have eperienced massive power drains while I use leech, even when they are fully specced in power insulators. I cannot provide any other evidence other than the aforementioned thread and this bit of anecdotal evidence from my fleetmates. But giving the leech to everyone is not going to solve this problem, a fact of which you are no doubt aware. Please, please, take time to investigate whether there are any issues with power drain buffs.

    Thanks.
  • z0graz0gra Member Posts: 113 Arc User
    edited August 2012
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  • z0graz0gra Member Posts: 113 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    yeah thats the sad truth if they get leech console along with maco shield they will be using quad weapons without rly getting affected from the -15 engine power.

    I tryed this myself but it wasnt working still was 2 slow turnrate but i bet if i had a little more power boost all over cross the board cause of MACO shields than i would make it happend.

    No fair!
    You are destroying the balance.
    When cryptic fist gave maco shields to fed and plasma leech on kdf she had its reasons
    And now you come along PWE and you think you found a way to make some money.
    Yeah maybe in short terms but in long terms you are GOING to loose money or gain nothing for destroying KDF.

    Enough talks enough time i wasted here on a cool game bought by a stupid greedy company

    Adios nooblets cya back in EvE null sec muahahahaha.......

    Or even better project infinity will come out in a few years and it will DESTROY ANY COMPETITION IN SCIFI MMORGPS.

    You wont keep me here if you are so unfair with faction balancing PERIOD.
  • lordmalak1lordmalak1 Member Posts: 4,681 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    gstamo01 wrote: »
    Considering my main is KDF, I am not a fan for the OP's use of "we" in his/her posts.

    While I may not be a fan of sharing faction consoles, I understand the reasoning behind it and have made my peace with it some time ago. OP, you need to do the same or just move on..


    @lordmalak1, I would support having a loot option when opening the box to be honest. So the player could pick which of the two consoles they want. IMO, that should drive more initial key sales, but at the cost of less zen kdf sales. They don't seem to concerned about kdf sales anyways, considering the lack of zen additions since the Bortasqu, so I don't see a problem with it honestly.

    I was actually joking, but as you pointed out the lack of KDF c-store love would make a loot option a good alternative for KDF, but would definitely affect sales of c-store ships Fed side and you can certainly imagine the outcry if a loot option was available to KDF only (we got pirates in our faction).

    I don't think console sharing should be done at all between the two factions. Sharing should only be done with lockbox ships, and no player faction ships should be in lockboxes.

    But thats just me.
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  • z0graz0gra Member Posts: 113 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    lordmalak1 wrote: »
    I was actually joking, but as you pointed out the lack of KDF c-store love would make a loot option a good alternative for KDF, but would definitely affect sales of c-store ships Fed side and you can certainly imagine the outcry if a loot option was available to KDF only (we got pirates in our faction).

    I don't think console sharing should be done at all between the two factions. Sharing should only be done with lockbox ships, and no player faction ships should be in lockboxes.

    But thats just me.

    No tis me also that thinks the same

    And many many others i bet if we make a poll it will be the high majority of the community but no1 cares.....


    Anyway i just quited you wont ever see me again in game.

    Simply because i cant wait to see if those rumors are true or not if they are there then there is something going on.

    And its so much unfair....
  • spartangamerspartangamer Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    z0gra wrote: »
    Or even better project infinity will come out in a few years and it will DESTROY ANY COMPETITION IN SCIFI MMORGPS.

    Also don't forget about Bungie's Project Destiny which will be a sci fi MMORPG. So yes Cryptic and PWE need to step it up.
    z0gra wrote: »
    Anyway i just quited you wont ever see me again in game.

    Sad to see you go, will miss you in Ker'rat
  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Quiting does nothing to help show PWE/Cryptic that we are a valuable part of the fanbase and need attention or growth as befits being such.

    Keep in mind that we are saddled with the 16%-18% faction number and while this seems like a small amount, 16%-18% of the total playerbase if even it is only 50,000 players is still 8000 to 9000 players that have wallets and may spend money if given some love.
    Hardly a number so small as to warrant being overlooked. We nned to push the fact we are not worth overlooking.
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  • z0graz0gra Member Posts: 113 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Also don't forget about Bungie's Project Destiny which will be a sci fi MMORPG. So yes Cryptic and PWE need to step it up.



    Sad to see you go, will miss you in Ker'rat

    I will miss you to guys it was an honor flying with you.

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  • z0graz0gra Member Posts: 113 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    bitemepwe wrote: »
    Quiting does nothing to help show PWE/Cryptic that we are a valuable part of the fanbase and need attention or growth as befits being such.

    Keep in mind that we are saddled with the 16%-18% faction number and while this seems like a small amount, 16%-18% of the total playerbase if even it is only 50,000 players is still 8000 to 9000 players that have wallets and may spend money if given some love.
    Hardly a number so small as to warrant being overlooked. We nned to push the fact we are not worth overlooking.

    Sorry to disappoint you Roach but i am a 29yo working man who doesnt take up to much things.

    I am not a kid i am a man and if someones comes in my house to try to rob it i wont sit with my hands crossed.

    Kids wont even notice plasma leech will be shared cause they only care to play a few hrs after school.

    But i cant take up this **** when fed got all the attention and all the new good ships and we got nothing instead. We ONLY had plasma leech and aceton assim for pvp when they got much more and constant tractors which are rly annoying as we all see each day it passes.

    I DONT TAKE THIS **** NO MORE NO MATTER HOW MUCH I LIKE THE GAME!

    Rumor or not the only way for me to stay in the game is an official post from PWE and its boss that they will never but never as long as the servers are up and running that they will never but never share our last thing we got unique and our last stand in order to maintain competitive in pvp our leech console will be NEVER shared not even with romulans!

    Do that and despite the attention kdf has i will return and i will keep doing more with less with KDF.
  • rrincyrrincy Member Posts: 1,023
    edited August 2012
    God the level or rage in this thread is astronomical , and over what ? a single starship console ? jesus christ :rolleyes:

    out of all the things wrong with the way cryptic has done with the KDF , the vandals uni console is pretty far down the list if you ask me , hardly worth quitting over a rumour

    besides , every KDF console that makes it into the box gets one in return from the fed side , so its not like your console is being stolen and you get nothing in return :rolleyes: instead of bemoaning the rumoured loss of a console to a lockbox , think what could potentially be in from the feds in return.. Nadeon Detonator? Ionized Gas Sensor? hell even Enhanced Plasma Manifold or Tachyon Detection Field are up for grabs

    chill out
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  • z0graz0gra Member Posts: 113 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    rrincy wrote: »
    God the level or rage in this thread is astronomical , and over what ? a single starship console ? jesus christ :rolleyes:

    out of all the things wrong with the way cryptic has done with the KDF , the vandals uni console is pretty far down the list if you ask me , hardly worth quitting over a rumour

    besides , every KDF console that makes it into the box gets one in return from the fed side , so its not like your console is being stolen and you get nothing in return :rolleyes: instead of bemoaning the rumoured loss of a console to a lockbox , think what could potentially be in from the feds in return.. Nadeon Detonator? Ionized Gas Sensor? hell even Enhanced Plasma Manifold or Tachyon Detection Field are up for grabs

    chill out


    No sir you dont understand good enough let me explain better for one more time!

    I dont want any other console if i wanted federation console i would be playing my federation character.

    What i rly want is plasma leech on KDF side ONLY.

    Because thats the reason i rolled played and payed LOTS of money in KDF side.

    I didnt do that so one year later the greedy company comes and changes this all around.

    Also its not a simple console that it will be shared and both sides will have fun with it.

    IF IT WILL BE SHARED DRAIN EFFECTS WILL BE CANCELLED AND SO ITS LIKE NERFING KDF CAUSE LEECH EFFECTS WILL BE GONE BUT OP TRACTOR PETS WILL KEEP ON SPAMMING TRACTORS.

    So overall kdf will loose its leech effect and FED will retain MACO SHIELDS tractor pets and new OP Ships+ gaining leech/drain effect resulting in an federation OP domination in PvP

    I bet that experienced maniac feds will be running quad cannons along with leech console and maco shields without suffering slow turn rates......


    WAKE UP MASTERMINDS UR KILLING KDF AND ITS PPL
  • spartangamerspartangamer Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    rrincy wrote: »
    God the level or rage in this thread is astronomical , and over what ? a single starship console ? jesus christ :rolleyes:

    out of all the things wrong with the way cryptic has done with the KDF , the vandals uni console is pretty far down the list if you ask me , hardly worth quitting over a rumour

    besides , every KDF console that makes it into the box gets one in return from the fed side , so its not like your console is being stolen and you get nothing in return :rolleyes: instead of bemoaning the rumoured loss of a console to a lockbox , think what could potentially be in from the feds in return.. Nadeon Detonator? Ionized Gas Sensor? hell even Enhanced Plasma Manifold or Tachyon Detection Field are up for grabs

    chill out

    Dude its not just the console its all the TRIBBLE we have had to put up with, this is just the breaking point for some players and I cant blame them. Cryptic needs to get their act together.
  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    z0gra wrote: »
    Sorry to disappoint you Roach but i am a 29yo working man who doesnt take up to much things.

    I am not a kid i am a man and if someones comes in my house to try to rob it i wont sit with my hands crossed.

    Kids wont even notice plasma leech will be shared cause they only care to play a few hrs after school.

    But i cant take up this **** when fed got all the attention and all the new good ships and we got nothing instead. We ONLY had plasma leech and aceton assim for pvp when they got much more and constant tractors which are rly annoying as we all see each day it passes.

    I DONT TAKE THIS **** NO MORE NO MATTER HOW MUCH I LIKE THE GAME!

    Rumor or not the only way for me to stay in the game is an official post from PWE and its boss that they will never but never as long as the servers are up and running that they will never but never share our last thing we got unique and our last stand in order to maintain competitive in pvp our leech console will be NEVER shared not even with romulans!

    Do that and despite the attention kdf has i will return and i will keep doing more with less with KDF.

    I'm not disapointed.
    As you say, you're a grown man capable of making your own choices.
    Merely saying if we KDF fans all give up then we lose in the end, as no one is left to push the point that we deserve more attention as fans and paying customers and less TRIBBLE from Cryptic as far as STO is concerned.
    Leonard Nimoy, Spock.....:(

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  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Cryptic needs to get their act together.

    I agree. They need to make a game for everyone instead of just the majority.
    The old saying, "The needs of the many....." should not be used as evidence to ignore any paying customer.
    Leonard Nimoy, Spock.....:(

    R.I.P
  • rrincyrrincy Member Posts: 1,023
    edited August 2012
    I think you're overreatcting a tad here mate , people understand exactly what this means , and i state again , its just a console.
    If pwe/cryptic want it in a lockbox , then it'll be in a lockbox , its not a spiteful attack aimed at the hearts and minds of KDF players everywhere, its just what they're doing these days , for whatever reason
    some fed players may not want their consoles in a lockbox either , but getting upset about it wont change the fact its happened / could happen

    Also , have you ever considered that some klingon players who dont want to play the fed side may actually welcome some of the fed consoles being avilable to them ?

    dont get me wrong , i have KDF char myself , and know full well the state of things , im just saying that getting mad over something cryptic will do regardless of how many complain wont solve anything , have you mentioned this in septs ask cryptic ?
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  • z0graz0gra Member Posts: 113 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    bitemepwe wrote: »
    I'm not disapointed.
    As you say, you're a grown man capable of making your own choices.
    Merely saying if we KDF fans all give up then we lose in the end, as no one is left to push the point that we deserve more attention as fans and paying customers and less TRIBBLE from Cryptic as far as STO is concerned.

    Yes but at least the company will learn to take us into consideration also will learn to be fair when it comes to faction balance and we wont spent anymore money in a faction that is dead or dying.

    Why should i keep on paying the game and the company when feds will be having full power all over across the board using quad cannons with maco shield and leech and i strangle to keep my engine power high enough so my turn rate on my SLOW turning destroyer is decent enough in order to keep my guns into firing arc?????

    This is just so wrong KDF already had bad turn rate raptors/destoryer !
    sharing leech console will only make this problem even worst along with many other weakness kdf got latetly and powers fed got.

    DO I LOOK LIKE AN IDIOT? keep paying to loose?

    NO THATS WHY I QUIT
  • z0graz0gra Member Posts: 113 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    rrincy wrote: »
    I think you're overreatcting a tad here mate , people understand exactly what this means , and i state again , its just a console.
    If pwe/cryptic want it in a lockbox , then it'll be in a lockbox , its not a spiteful attack aimed at the hearts and minds of KDF players everywhere, its just what they're doing these days , for whatever reason
    some fed players may not want their consoles in a lockbox either , but getting upset about it wont change the fact its happened / could happen

    Also , have you ever considered that some klingon players who dont want to play the fed side may actually welcome some of the fed consoles being avilable to them ?

    dont get me wrong , i have KDF char myself , and know full well the state of things , im just saying that getting mad over something cryptic will do regardless of how many complain wont solve anything , have you mentioned this in septs ask cryptic ?

    Its not the console only its all the favouring the company is showing to FED against KDF ALONG with the intension to share this unique console.

    Fed got to many stuff we got nothing worthy at all.
    Also quantity over quality doesnt apply here since fed is getting all the quantity AND quality ALSO!

    And now they want the reason we rolled KDF in a lockbox???
    Also the only reason keeping KDF alive in pvp maybe?

    So wrong thats why i ragequited.
  • spartangamerspartangamer Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    z0gra wrote: »
    Its not the console only its all the favouring the company is showing to FED against KDF ALONG with the intension to share this unique console.

    Fed got to many stuff we got nothing worthy at all.

    And now they want the reason we rolled KDF in a lockbox???
    Also the only reason keeping KDF alive in pvp maybe?

    So wrong thats why i ragequited.

    Yeah and I just check the STO Homepage. Feds get a new uniform for the tailor and the KDF gets NOTHING AGAIN.
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