Really? Another leeching thread? Common boys and girls, this has been addressed before.
Leeching is not against the TOS. How many times must this be said?
As annoying as it is, nobody is breaking any rules by leeching. This seriously needs to stop popping up on the forums. In fact...these threads are now more annoying than leechers...more common too.
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A solution to leaching, is instead of Vote to Kick, would be to select the someone who is leeching, and then click a special button that places you in another map (and it would have 5 people in the map too ) so that person is on his own and cannot complete the STF to get marks.
Thing is, it only needs a team of 3 or something to target someone
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Really? Another leeching thread? Common boys and girls, this has been addressed before.
Leeching is not against the TOS. How many times must this be said?
As annoying as it is, nobody is breaking any rules by leeching. This seriously needs to stop popping up on the forums. In fact...these threads are now more annoying than leechers...more common too.
Yes but it is unsporting... I mean... kicking someone who donates a lot to a fleet isn't against the ToS but it's considered bad form, infact a whole host of things are considered bad form but not against the ToS. But using a system to gain an advantage over others IS against the ToS... Leeching could be construed that way, depends on your interpretation.
This thread is for the community to do something about it. I'm not asking for Cryptic/PW to take a stance, not asking for any GM involvement. Not asking for a change in ToS, not asking for a brand new system to kick... I'm asking fleet leaders to be willing to agree being a contact for their fleets so people can feel confident enough to approach them with an issue about a member of their fleet.
Problem with some folk on this site/game is that they are so damned hostile towards anyone. Keyboard warriors cooped up in their rooms but wouldn't say boo to a goose. So FL's band together and start tackling this problem from within. Eventually the fleets will weed out the leechers and, while they are not common now, they WILL come back, then we can be prepared for this eventuality. Hopefully kerb the vast majority of it.
I've been having a lot of trouble with this lately. In space someone will hide by an asteroid as if his teammates cannot see him. On the ground I've had players go as far as to run up to other players and just stand there and do nothing. :eek:
Leeches are a real problem in pick-up group missions, especially elite STFs. There are players who zone in and then afk for rest of mission. On ground missions they may try to hide to be inconspicuous , and on space missions they fly 100km away from action and try to avoid notice, but on elite STFs it is often very noticeable when you are trying to get bonus objective while short a member.
We just missed bonus on an elite STF due to such a leech. There must be some way to deal with them. One answer that comes to mind is to have STFs and possibly other group missions auto-boot a player who does not enter combat for 10 consecutive minutes (or less). If leeches start getting booted from STFs due to being afk, then perhaps they will stop taking up spot on team which can be filled by someone who wants to participate.
I'm sure this has been kicked around before but nothign has happend. You can report player to GM but you get back canned response and as far as I know nobody has been banned from game for excessive leeching.
Leeches are a real problem in pick-up group missions, especially elite STFs. There are players who zone in and then afk for rest of mission. On ground missions they may try to hide to be inconspicuous , and on space missions they fly 100km away from action and try to avoid notice, but on elite STFs it is often very noticeable when you are trying to get bonus objective while short a member.
We just missed bonus on an elite STF due to such a leech. There must be some way to deal with them. One answer that comes to mind is to have STFs and possibly other group missions auto-boot a player who does not enter combat for 10 consecutive minutes (or less). If leeches start getting booted from STFs due to being afk, then perhaps they will stop taking up spot on team which can be filled by someone who wants to participate.
I'm sure this has been kicked around before but nothign has happend. You can report player to GM but you get back canned response and as far as I know nobody has been banned from game for excessive leeching.
Oh my goodness, another one of these posts..
Nothing to see here people, move on.
PS..why would people get banned for something that is not against the game TOS/EULA? Want to avoid it? Go out and make a private group match. Problem solved.
I just really really want to see just one AFK or leecher! really I have not seen 1 single AFK player during any queue event and i am doing the grind on 2 toons so i am running them pretty much exclusivly. Is this really a problem or did some people see 1 and then jump on the forum bandwagon thinking it is in every single event?
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PS..why would people get banned for something that is not against the game TOS/EULA? Want to avoid it? Go out and make a private group match. Problem solved.
So griefing is allowed by the EULA? I dont think so.
its not griefing? How is, on purpose(!) joinin a Group of players, with the intention to make them loose, not griefing?
They dont want to make the team lose, but only to leech?
Well, joining a Game for FIVE players, and NOT playing, quite happily qualifies for "wanting to make your team loose on purpose"
Leeching is not against the TOS. Stop pugging if you want to avoid leechers. I dunno why you people don't understand this. Leeching is NOT against the TOS.
Say it with me...
Leeching is not against the TOS.
One more time.
Leeching is not against the TOS.
Man oh man..I dunno what is wrong with this community. I dunno why it has to be said over and over and over.
Leeching is not griefing. Just because someone is AFK, does not mean you instantly lose the match. If you cannot pick up the slack, then you are a bad player. I have had my fair share of run-ins with AFKers in EVERY game type going. What did I do? I gave it 120%...and I made up for the fact that someone was AFK.
Reporting AFKers clogs up an already overburdened report system. Ignoring does nothing. Complaining on the forums does nothing.
I hate to sound like a jerk...but this is getting old.
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Unless a dev or mod comes in here, and corrects me on the fact that leeching is NOT against the TOS...I will stand by this statement till my dying breath.
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PS..why would people get banned for something that is not against the game TOS/EULA? Want to avoid it? Go out and make a private group match. Problem solved.
Well, the fact that we get several posts like this a week (I'm also sick of reading them too, I nearly didn't even bother clicking on this one after reading the summary) - does clearly indicate that AFKers are a big problem in this game for the casual solo-gamer. Personally I don't run any public games (like plenty of the forum regs) so can't guage it - but lots of non-posting members are coming on the the forums to moan about this. It's probably about time something was done.
Now, I know it's not currently against the TOS so there's nothing that the developers can do about them (except *fix the problem* ) but it's probably time that changed - but every solution that's been put forward by us seems a bit shakey at best. The Devs have said "we're discussing it" for months, but it's probably about time something was sorted.
Telling people to stop using public queues to go and form private ones is only a short term solution, and one that works (so I recommend it) but long term having nobody in public queues would be a terrible thing for the game, so it's not really a solution - just a band aid.
So griefing is allowed by the EULA? I dont think so.
its not griefing? How is, on purpose(!) joinin a Group of players, with the intention to make them loose, not griefing?
Now, I don't AFK from STFs but I would imagine the whole point of doing it isn't to make people fail, but to get free rewards without actually doing anything. That's not against the rules, it doesn't say anywhere that *users must fire there weapons and help out their team mates* because that would be completely stupid. All you're doing is not contributing, which is annoying and jerk-ish but can't be made against the rules. Making these people get no rewards will stop AFKers! The problem is... how...
Being AFK may not necessarily be against the TOS. Getting full rewards for zero effort is another matter entirely. It's a form of griefing in addition to a broken game mechanic that allows events to grant full rewards to those who put forth no effort.
Stop calling it greifing, that word doesn't mean what you think it means.
Stop calling it greifing, that word doesn't mean what you think it means.
When you leech you know that it is making things harder for other people. When you leech you know that it will annoy people. What would you call someone who knows that and does it anyways?
The problem is, that it is not your definition, nor anyone else's, outside of Cryptic/PWE's, definition that makes a difference. They don't see it as a terribly important issue tbh.
If it makes you feel better, then by all means go ahead and report them. As others have suggested, the only way to avoid this problem is going to channel/private matches.
If you dont belong to these channels, consider asking the other people in the mission with you if they want to team... you already know they aren't going to leech on you. If the next random player you pick up is decent, add him to the team when you reform... and you are all set.
2 days in a row doing Mirror Universe Incursion to level up a Romulan character their was 1 person who kept leeching the mission. Something needs to be done to stop leeching.
If you dont belong to these channels, consider asking the other people in the mission with you if they want to team... you already know they aren't going to leech on you. If the next random player you pick up is decent, add him to the team when you reform... and you are all set.
That is not reality I had played multiple games with someone they sent me a friend invite I accepted and at a later time that person leeched a entire match.
I just really really want to see just one AFK or leecher! really I have not seen 1 single AFK player during any queue event and i am doing the grind on 2 toons so i am running them pretty much exclusivly.
I started playing shortly after the game went F2P because I'm a Trekkie. I've seen about 4 leechers in STFs since then. It's unfair to get free rewards like that but fortunately it is not a frequent problem.
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That is not reality I had played multiple games with someone they sent me a friend invite I accepted and at a later time that person leeched a entire match.
u... then add them to your ignore list, and dont accept team invites from them in the future.
u... then add them to your ignore list, and dont accept team invites from them in the future.
When I see someone leech I add them to ignore but my point was even in private matches their is sometimes leeching going on.
Things to help stop leeching.
When something is kill/destroyed only people that attacked and damaged it will get experience/expertise points and will have a chance at getting any loot drops.
Allow players to flag someone as a leecher and if the person who was flagged a leecher does not engage in combat after a few min they are booted from the mission.
PWE may take any actions and impose any penalties we deem necessary to discourage and punish any violation of these terms or any other illegal or inappropriate conduct, all without prior notice or warning. The determination as to whether a violation has occurred and who is responsible for such act is solely within PWE's discretion, and is based on what we deem best for the community and the Website. By using the Website, you agree you will be bound by PWE's determination as to whether a violation has occurred and any penalty we choose to implement.
Leeching doesn't HAVE to be against the TOS for PWE or Cryptic (as a subsidiary) to take action. As a prime example, look at the STF early leave penalty. Leaving early was not, and is not, a violation of the TOS, and yet, they took action.
Arguing against action being taken simply because it is not covered in the EULA doesn't mean anything. They have proven that.
I for one would like to see something done about people that are leeching. What exactly that may be, I'm not sure. Account banning is excessive for this offense. Loss of marks or other rewards, however, I feel would be appropriate. How it would be determined that someone is leeching (in the code, mind you, it isn't as easy to see as it is for you and I) is another issue.
I would, for one, like to see what Cryptic has to say to the community regarding this issue. I have yet to see a response from even the community manager, and this, I fear, tells me everything I need to know about their stance on it.
well a few of us are frankly sick of afkers and leechers and we are choosing not to play it as much , its rather frustrating that Cryptic have totally buried their heads in the sand they don't care.
THey say its "not against the spirit of the game" well if leeching isn't against the spirit of the game what they don't realise is that THESE players must be using automatic parsing programs to join missions then need on all drops then reflag for the next mission.
BUt you cant prove it because they arnt moving,
Like I say and have said a lot before Crytpic doenst care they only care that people are playing when the game is flooded with auto bot players then the players who still buy zen will depart.
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Well then, please continue to encourage the AFK-ing, but don't whine about it here.
Leeching is not against the TOS. How many times must this be said?
As annoying as it is, nobody is breaking any rules by leeching. This seriously needs to stop popping up on the forums. In fact...these threads are now more annoying than leechers...more common too.
Thing is, it only needs a team of 3 or something to target someone
I hope STO get's better ...
Yes but it is unsporting... I mean... kicking someone who donates a lot to a fleet isn't against the ToS but it's considered bad form, infact a whole host of things are considered bad form but not against the ToS. But using a system to gain an advantage over others IS against the ToS... Leeching could be construed that way, depends on your interpretation.
This thread is for the community to do something about it. I'm not asking for Cryptic/PW to take a stance, not asking for any GM involvement. Not asking for a change in ToS, not asking for a brand new system to kick... I'm asking fleet leaders to be willing to agree being a contact for their fleets so people can feel confident enough to approach them with an issue about a member of their fleet.
Problem with some folk on this site/game is that they are so damned hostile towards anyone. Keyboard warriors cooped up in their rooms but wouldn't say boo to a goose. So FL's band together and start tackling this problem from within. Eventually the fleets will weed out the leechers and, while they are not common now, they WILL come back, then we can be prepared for this eventuality. Hopefully kerb the vast majority of it.
@nabreeki, thanks for your support!
We just missed bonus on an elite STF due to such a leech. There must be some way to deal with them. One answer that comes to mind is to have STFs and possibly other group missions auto-boot a player who does not enter combat for 10 consecutive minutes (or less). If leeches start getting booted from STFs due to being afk, then perhaps they will stop taking up spot on team which can be filled by someone who wants to participate.
I'm sure this has been kicked around before but nothign has happend. You can report player to GM but you get back canned response and as far as I know nobody has been banned from game for excessive leeching.
Oh my goodness, another one of these posts..
Nothing to see here people, move on.
PS..why would people get banned for something that is not against the game TOS/EULA? Want to avoid it? Go out and make a private group match. Problem solved.
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So griefing is allowed by the EULA? I dont think so.
its not griefing? How is, on purpose(!) joinin a Group of players, with the intention to make them loose, not griefing?
They dont want to make the team lose, but only to leech?
Well, joining a Game for FIVE players, and NOT playing, quite happily qualifies for "wanting to make your team loose on purpose"
Say it with me...
Leeching is not against the TOS.
One more time.
Leeching is not against the TOS.
Man oh man..I dunno what is wrong with this community. I dunno why it has to be said over and over and over.
Leeching is not griefing. Just because someone is AFK, does not mean you instantly lose the match. If you cannot pick up the slack, then you are a bad player. I have had my fair share of run-ins with AFKers in EVERY game type going. What did I do? I gave it 120%...and I made up for the fact that someone was AFK.
Reporting AFKers clogs up an already overburdened report system. Ignoring does nothing. Complaining on the forums does nothing.
I hate to sound like a jerk...but this is getting old.
Addendum:
Unless a dev or mod comes in here, and corrects me on the fact that leeching is NOT against the TOS...I will stand by this statement till my dying breath.
I do. Its people that literally say that leeching is okay. :rolleyes:
Well, the fact that we get several posts like this a week (I'm also sick of reading them too, I nearly didn't even bother clicking on this one after reading the summary) - does clearly indicate that AFKers are a big problem in this game for the casual solo-gamer. Personally I don't run any public games (like plenty of the forum regs) so can't guage it - but lots of non-posting members are coming on the the forums to moan about this. It's probably about time something was done.
Now, I know it's not currently against the TOS so there's nothing that the developers can do about them (except *fix the problem* ) but it's probably time that changed - but every solution that's been put forward by us seems a bit shakey at best. The Devs have said "we're discussing it" for months, but it's probably about time something was sorted.
Telling people to stop using public queues to go and form private ones is only a short term solution, and one that works (so I recommend it) but long term having nobody in public queues would be a terrible thing for the game, so it's not really a solution - just a band aid.
EDIT:
Now, I don't AFK from STFs but I would imagine the whole point of doing it isn't to make people fail, but to get free rewards without actually doing anything. That's not against the rules, it doesn't say anywhere that *users must fire there weapons and help out their team mates* because that would be completely stupid. All you're doing is not contributing, which is annoying and jerk-ish but can't be made against the rules. Making these people get no rewards will stop AFKers! The problem is... how...
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Also, there is this thing called common courtesy. You are playing with a group of other people trying to accomplish a common goal. So don't be a d***
If you can't arsed to, or are to lazy to actually play the game, then why the heck are you here in the first place?
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Stop calling it greifing, that word doesn't mean what you think it means.
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When you leech you know that it is making things harder for other people. When you leech you know that it will annoy people. What would you call someone who knows that and does it anyways?
The problem is, that it is not your definition, nor anyone else's, outside of Cryptic/PWE's, definition that makes a difference. They don't see it as a terribly important issue tbh.
If it makes you feel better, then by all means go ahead and report them. As others have suggested, the only way to avoid this problem is going to channel/private matches.
If you dont belong to these channels, consider asking the other people in the mission with you if they want to team... you already know they aren't going to leech on you. If the next random player you pick up is decent, add him to the team when you reform... and you are all set.
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That is not reality I had played multiple games with someone they sent me a friend invite I accepted and at a later time that person leeched a entire match.
For the glory of Tempus!
I am the hands of Shar!
Flames of Kossuth, protect me!
Oghma, grant me knowledge!
Lolth commands, and I obey!
u... then add them to your ignore list, and dont accept team invites from them in the future.
Star Trek Online, Now with out the Trek....
When I see someone leech I add them to ignore but my point was even in private matches their is sometimes leeching going on.
Things to help stop leeching.
When something is kill/destroyed only people that attacked and damaged it will get experience/expertise points and will have a chance at getting any loot drops.
Allow players to flag someone as a leecher and if the person who was flagged a leecher does not engage in combat after a few min they are booted from the mission.
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PWE may take any actions and impose any penalties we deem necessary to discourage and punish any violation of these terms or any other illegal or inappropriate conduct, all without prior notice or warning. The determination as to whether a violation has occurred and who is responsible for such act is solely within PWE's discretion, and is based on what we deem best for the community and the Website. By using the Website, you agree you will be bound by PWE's determination as to whether a violation has occurred and any penalty we choose to implement.
Leeching doesn't HAVE to be against the TOS for PWE or Cryptic (as a subsidiary) to take action. As a prime example, look at the STF early leave penalty. Leaving early was not, and is not, a violation of the TOS, and yet, they took action.
Arguing against action being taken simply because it is not covered in the EULA doesn't mean anything. They have proven that.
I for one would like to see something done about people that are leeching. What exactly that may be, I'm not sure. Account banning is excessive for this offense. Loss of marks or other rewards, however, I feel would be appropriate. How it would be determined that someone is leeching (in the code, mind you, it isn't as easy to see as it is for you and I) is another issue.
I would, for one, like to see what Cryptic has to say to the community regarding this issue. I have yet to see a response from even the community manager, and this, I fear, tells me everything I need to know about their stance on it.
THey say its "not against the spirit of the game" well if leeching isn't against the spirit of the game what they don't realise is that THESE players must be using automatic parsing programs to join missions then need on all drops then reflag for the next mission.
BUt you cant prove it because they arnt moving,
Like I say and have said a lot before Crytpic doenst care they only care that people are playing when the game is flooded with auto bot players then the players who still buy zen will depart.