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  • sollvaxsollvax Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    but you aren't are you

    the point is you were retired a long time ago

    He thinks he needs to spend money to get doffs (you don't)

    you think a person who is a VA out ranks captains (he doesn't)
    all VA's are desk officers
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  • bubblygumsworthbubblygumsworth Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    I thought that fleet events were new end game content...
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  • sollvaxsollvax Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    no fleet events are living game content
    Live long and Prosper
  • baudlbaudl Member Posts: 4,060 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    sollvax wrote: »
    but you aren't are you

    the point is you were retired a long time ago

    He thinks he needs to spend money to get doffs (you don't)

    you think a person who is a VA out ranks captains (he doesn't)
    all VA's are desk officers


    i play more active than a year ago...

    with only 3 char slots per account, you are limited to only a certain amount of recruitment dailys.
    so, yes...he needs to buy DOFF's to advance his fleet base.
    you of course have 30+ toons...you have DOFF's in abundance. 30x100=3000...i guess you never run short on DOFF's for fleet assignments.
    you think a person who is a VA out ranks captains (he doesn't)

    you made that up, or understood it wrong...

    in this game NO Vice Admiral is a desk officer...deal with it. It is the maximum level in a computer game...not some retirement rank...i don't know why you have such difficultys to understand that.
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  • sollvaxsollvax Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    i
    play more active than a year ago...

    with only 3 char slots per account, you are limited to only a certain amount of recruitment dailys.

    so buy more slots (go alt or go home)
    so, yes...he needs to buy DOFF's to advance his fleet base.
    you of course have 30+ toons...you have DOFF's in abundance. 30x100=3000...i guess you never run short on DOFF's for fleet assignments.

    correct I can haul in 12 doff packs a day without any problem at all
    Quote:
    you think a person who is a VA out ranks captains (he doesn't)

    you made that up, or understood it wrong...

    as soon as you start thinking in terms of "wait til your a VA" you have resigned and hold no status

    a member of Starfleet takes orders only within his own chain of command

    in this game NO Vice Admiral is a desk officer...deal with it. It is the maximum level in a computer game...not some retirement rank...i don't know why you have such difficultys to understand that.

    but you make it so clear that it is

    half the VA's out there are borg you know (ie assimilated)
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  • baudlbaudl Member Posts: 4,060 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    so buy more slots (go alt or go home)

    i have 6, more than enough my freetime allows me to have. the recruitment missions i do with all of them, regularely. But i play only 2 with dedication. But all are VA, naturaly!

    Since you can create accounts indefinately it's easier to just create 10 accounts with 3 chars on each account. If you just want to generate DOFF's.

    (with all your ghost accounts, you postet on this forum already i'm sure you know about that)

    as soon as you start thinking in terms of "wait til your a VA" you have resigned and hold no status

    a member of Starfleet takes orders only within his own chain of command

    it's your opinion...because you ignore all endgame content, as you said yourself.
    Most other players only play on VA level, remember that. And they don't care about leveling another toon.
    half the VA's out there are borg you know (ie assimilated)

    i let this stand here for itself...typical senseless answer you are used to give.
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  • sollvaxsollvax Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    there are no ghost accounts (and please stop accusing me of being a small army of posters)

    theres just me
    all 30+ of me

    see id rather pay for alt slots than "grind"
    Live long and Prosper
  • baudlbaudl Member Posts: 4,060 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    sollvax wrote: »
    there are no ghost accounts (and please stop accusing me of being a small army of posters)

    theres just me
    all 30+ of me

    see id rather pay for alt slots than "grind"

    playing the same missions 30+ times is grinding...reguardless of rank.

    only purpose to grind to build a fleetbase to have access to the best ships and gear ingame. If you have no need for that kind of VA gear why build one, alone, in the first place?

    the base only provides stuff for VA's, what use does a lowlvl char have from the fleetbase?

    i'm asking you that, because you don't like to play VA, yet you are bussy building a fleetbase for all your chars, with all your chars. Only 2 of your chars are VA, and you say you don't play with them, yet those are the only ones that profit from the fleetbase.
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  • dancingmistsdancingmists Member Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    sollvax wrote: »
    thats its true meaning

    I have already shown a dictionary's definition of the word. The burden of proof is on you for any claim of "true meaning" you want to give.
    sollvax wrote: »
    but logic changes with situation data and racial attitudes

    "one for all and all for one" is logical (to a french musketeer) but so is " the needs of the many out weigh the needs of the one " (to a vulcan) and "never leave a man behind" to a marine.

    Barely any belief, opinion, value, or principle we hold is Logical. None of those you mentioned qualifies.

    I quote the begining of Wikipedia's article on the subject of logic: "Logic (from the Greek λογική logikē)[1] refers to both the study of modes of reasoning (which are valid and which are fallacious)[2] and the use of valid reasoning. In the latter sense, logic is used in most intellectual activities, including philosophy and science, but in the first sense is studied primarily in the disciplines of philosophy, mathematics, semantics, and computer science. It examines general forms that arguments may take. In mathematics, it is the study of valid inferences within some formal language.[3] Logic is also studied in argumentation theory.[4]"

    Logic studies and formalizes the processes governing proper reasoning. Mathematics is the simplest form of Logic. Does "1 + 1 = 2" stops being true if we switch the observer for a different one? No, it does not. It follows it is not subjective.

    I will also quote Merriam-Webster online's primary definition: "1
    a (1) : a science that deals with the principles and criteria of validity of inference and demonstration : the science of the formal principles of reasoning (2) : a branch or variety of logic <modal logic> <Boolean logic> (3) : a branch of semiotics; especially : syntactics (4) : the formal principles of a branch of knowledge"

    For a given argument to be logical it must follow the formal guidelines and satisfy the criteria that separates valid reasoning from fallacious reasoning. These guidelines and criteria exist independently from the observer even when the elements being studied do not.

    It is not my intention to insult you, but before trying to discuss the nature of Logic you should educate yourself on the topic. Logic being subjective is one of the most ludicrous things I have read in my life.



    But to go further down this road would lead us away from the point. You did claim what he said was not Logical, I did claim it was and did explain why. You can:

    1. Correctly demonstrate what he said was not logical.

    2. Surrender the point.

    And let me add one more thing: If your claim of Logic being subjective had not been wrong it would actually defeat your own point, as the only condition to it being "logical" would be one of us considering it so.


    dalolorn wrote: »
    Lol, you sound like a Vulcan. But yeah, I fully agree. :D

    You'll make me blush. :o
  • sollvaxsollvax Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    you mistake logic for dead

    theres a difference

    logic is any sequence that can be logically arrived at

    as only living minds think all logic is flawed
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  • baudlbaudl Member Posts: 4,060 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    sollvax wrote: »
    you mistake logic for dead

    theres a difference

    logic is any sequence that can be logically arrived at

    as only living minds think all logic is flawed


    sense...it makes absolutely none.

    just out of curiousity, what is a non-living mind? and examples taken from the real world...not science fiction.
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  • sollvaxsollvax Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    zx81 upwards
    Live long and Prosper
  • dancingmistsdancingmists Member Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    sollvax wrote: »
    you mistake logic for dead

    My argument was backed by the proper definition of Logic.

    The burden of proof is on you.
    sollvax wrote: »
    logic is any sequence that can be logically arrived at

    What you want Logic to be is irrelevant to the topic of what Logic is. The proper definition was already given.
    sollvax wrote: »
    as only living minds think all logic is flawed

    The burden of proof is on you. Please demonstrate the way in which "all logic is flawed."
  • marc8219marc8219 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    sollvax wrote: »

    stealth usually COSTS the mission
    I have run this many times with teams in the low range we average 25 marks and a total clean sheet on the corner sabs

    largely because we don't stealth or spread out a bunch of drones and blow the end mission



    You must not know how to play stealth or have very good ground gear. My tac in Mk XII Omega and a Mk XII very rare Pulsewave has no problem stealthing to the saboteur and quickly taking it out with ambush, then escaping with the extra stealth from Omega which lasts long enough for my kit stealth to be ready again. I usually can quickly take out 3 saboteurs this way, and I can get the 4th if my group sucks but we will be short on time in the third round. Its fastest if everyone is equiped this way then we each split up and stealth and take 1 saboteur out.

    If you are wasting your time fighting through the enemies to get the sabotuer you are wrong. Even when I am on a eng or sci I still ignore the other enemies and just rely on survivng long enough to take the saboteur out, then using Omega stealth to help escape.
    Tala -KDF Tac- House of Beautiful Orions
  • baudlbaudl Member Posts: 4,060 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    sollvax wrote: »
    zx81 upwards

    is that your final answer to the question "what is a non-living mind? and examples taken from the real world...not science fiction. "?

    my response is this little clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEkWH8DB7b0
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  • sollvaxsollvax Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    we have one guy here who thinks modern dictionaries (of which there are hundreds) define words older than the print process

    another who does not get that a human mind(living) is the only one capable of real logic

    and another who thinks its the best option to let over 100 angry orions converge on the one person in your team who CAN'T stealth
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  • marc8219marc8219 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    dont need that one person that gets mobbed if if me and one or 2 others are able to take the saboteurs out quickly enough with stealth. you waste too much time fighting your way through the mobs if you don't stealth past them or tank and run past them as an eng or sci.
    Tala -KDF Tac- House of Beautiful Orions
  • baudlbaudl Member Posts: 4,060 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    and we have one person who states his opinions as facts, despite being proven wrong over and over again, refuses to give any proof to his claims and did not contribute any usefull thing to the topic.
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  • dancingmistsdancingmists Member Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    sollvax wrote: »
    we have one guy here who thinks modern dictionaries (of which there are hundreds) define words older than the print process

    another who does not get that a human mind(living) is the only one capable of real logic

    and another who thinks its the best option to let over 100 angry orions converge on the one person in your team who CAN'T stealth

    Was a weak Ad Hominem attempt the best you could muster? Please.

    You have been invited to present proper arguments backed by proper evidence. You have not done so. Are you unable to do so?

    More so, I will invite you now to provide proper arguments backed by proper evidence that shows beyond the shadow of a doubt that:

    1. The definitions I presented are invalid.

    2. Nothing but a human mind is capable of logic.

    3. Leaving the person who can't stealth to be slaughtered by angry Orions isn't the best option in at least one case.

    I will be waiting.
  • baudlbaudl Member Posts: 4,060 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    all you are waiting for is another idiotic troll posting. After reading through 2 threads about the same subject i found one point he was actually right. And that was the concern that if lower levels are restricted to their tier, that they have to wait forever to join a fleet event.

    he is known for his postings already, i tried to ignore his postings, but sometimes it's just soo damn obvious that he has no idea of anything in this world that i feel the need to correct that.
    But since he is either a troll or a lost cause, or both...i think it is the smart move to just ignore his postings alltogether.
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  • sollvaxsollvax Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    it is NEVER valid to get a team member killed to save time
    (its considered incompetence)

    only living minds think (computers are inherently illogical as they obey only the commands given and thus will NEVER be capable of logic)

    you definitions are limited and a thousand years too modern/500 years out of date
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  • catliketypingcatliketyping Member Posts: 611
    edited July 2012
    In the Starbase Blockade thing (KDF side), one of the people in the PUG had a Norgh Bird of Prey (the starter ship on the KDF side).

    We saved 20 of 21.

    Really, I've seen far worse players in Kar'fis and such.
    Nessia (KDF Sci)
    IKS Korrasami (Fleet B'rel Bird of Prey Retrofit T5-U)
  • dancingmistsdancingmists Member Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    sollvax wrote: »
    it is NEVER valid to get a team member killed to save time
    (its considered incompetence)

    The burden of proof is on you.
    sollvax wrote: »
    only living minds think (computers are inherently illogical as they obey only the commands given and thus will NEVER be capable of logic)

    The burden of proof is on you.
    sollvax wrote: »
    you definitions are limited and a thousand years too modern/500 years out of date

    The burden of proof is on you.



    Your opinions on all three matters have been noted, yet they remain irrelevant when I have asked for formal arguments backed by evidence. Are you unable to provide anything but arbitrary declarations, baseless claims, and your own opinions?

    You have presented no proper arguments backing your declaration of marc8219's actions being illogical nor have you presented a proper counter to my defense of it. Moreover, you have shown once and again a complete lack of education and understanding on all matters pertaining formal logic.

    Demonstrating your claim as invalid being what I embarked to do this discussion is now over. Have a nice day.
  • sollvaxsollvax Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    The burden of proof is on you.

    nope getting a team mate killed is being incompetent
    there is NO situation where its ok
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by sollvax
    only living minds think (computers are inherently illogical as they obey only the commands given and thus will NEVER be capable of logic)

    The burden of proof is on you.

    Turing already proved it

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by sollvax
    you definitions are limited and a thousand years too modern/500 years out of date

    The burden of proof is on you.

    I spoke its proven
    case closed

    Your opinions on all three matters have been noted, yet they remain irrelevant when I have asked for formal arguments backed by evidence. Are you unable to provide anything but arbitrary declarations, baseless claims, and your own opinions?

    you provided only someone elses opinions
    At least i gave you mine

    You have presented no proper arguments backing your declaration of marc8219's actions being illogical nor have you presented a proper counter to my defense of it. Moreover, you have shown once and again a complete lack of education and understanding on all matters pertaining formal logic.

    no you have shown your mind is locked in the wrong century
    logic only exists in PEOPLE

    Demonstrating your claim as invalid being what I embarked to do this discussion is now over. Have a nice day

    I accept your surrender
    have a mediocre decade
    Live long and Prosper
  • baudlbaudl Member Posts: 4,060 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    sollvax wrote: »
    The burden of proof is on you.

    nope getting a team mate killed is being incompetent
    there is NO situation where its ok

    Turing already proved it

    Quote:

    I spoke its proven
    case closed

    you provided only someone elses opinions
    At least i gave you mine

    no you have shown your mind is locked in the wrong century
    logic only exists in PEOPLE

    I accept your surrender
    have a mediocre decade

    he didn't surrender, he simply ignores your comments until you come up with some proof to your ridiculous claims.
    As we both know, there can't be no proof to your claims outside of your limited mind. So i guess the discussion ends here.

    you should really by now have learned to use the quote button right...but you didn't. you may want to improve that. Also you should spend less time in STO and more time informing yourself properly before bringing them up on the forums.
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  • sollvaxsollvax Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    but you and he combined carry less weight than a wet paper hanky

    Turing proved AI was impossible
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  • baudlbaudl Member Posts: 4,060 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    sollvax wrote: »
    but you and he combined carry less weight than a wet paper hanky

    Turing proved AI was impossible

    how? i want to know, really. can you give me a name of a book or something where i can read about it? Sure you must have read about it somewhere, so you must have some evidence for this.
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  • sollvaxsollvax Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Google it

    the Turing test proves the non existance of artificial intelligence (to date)
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  • baudlbaudl Member Posts: 4,060 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    sollvax wrote: »
    Google it

    the Turing test proves the non existance of artificial intelligence (to date)

    no thanks..."internet sources are by definition false" your own words:D remember?
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  • sollvaxsollvax Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    but you don't have books
    so you can't look it up in an encylopedia
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