I'm a VA, but I remember what it was like to be a newbie.
Encourage new players to participate. Help them get better. Don't be like the OP, a self centered end game player, who not only has premades available to him/her, but they also think they deserve perfect PUGs too, because their premades aren't always available when they want them.
This community needs less people like the OP.
They won?t get better or enjoy the game by blowing up and getting frustrated because they are not able to contribute. Letting them compete in a bracket of their own simply makes the game more enjoyable for low-tier characters.
People at a lower tier are usually playing with other people on the same level(range). That?s what it?s always been like in every mmo(rpg) I have played so far and even in this game. Mirror-Event is gated, PvP is gated, Starbase 24 is gated, so why not the fleet event?
If it?s all about integrating new players, then I?m sure there are tons of players and alts out there which are at their level and which they can play with in events they can actually enjoy.
I got end content chars. flying in missions with end content bosses and mobs... but I have new players that are supposedly scaled up dying like crazy and dont have the skills, equipment to be effective. Yet the game matches them with me.
Before the trolls spaz and tell me to fly pre-mades, I do. But they arent always going to be available.
Cryptic, why do I have to go through failed mission over and over again with players not even skilled or equipped to be there?
I can understand that the low levels should have access to it as a long term supply option for fleets plus it gives them the time to build up and be part of a team but can you not adjust match maker to not allow fraking Lt.'s and Lt. Comm.'s in a match with VA's?
Screws the drops for VA's and is a waste of time for all involved if you cant complete mission.
Thanks.
I'm sorry, I don't understand what you are trying to get here?
I thought that if you went out in zone chat and put together a team of VA's and did Private you got what are you are asking for.
But to me I don't see that a gated group of VA's when you're Pugging is going to do any better. I have Pugged with VA's that were well equipped and still ended up with a failed mission because they were horseing around.
Personly I would rather be stuck with tier-2 player that is trying to do it right, than having a VA that is horseing around
In fact I know that I have screwed up on occasions, I don't mean to. And I have had times when my ISP has made me look bad.
If I am understading you correctly, then our only option is not to pug.
I also want to say thank you to the tier-2 Capton that was watching my back during a Sirius sector Borg fleet. I never would have thought as a tier-2 Caption to shoot down the large Plasma torpideos leaving the VA's to concentrate on killing the borg boss ship.
Personally, I think tiered fleet events are the best. This allows for everyone that chooses to play in one of the fleet events to have FUN, rather than feeling useless and getting blasted to smithereens. The narrower the band, the better, because this allows the NPCs to be a better level match as enemies. And not based on ship tier, but character level:
And the reason for the VAs to be in thier own tier is because a level 41 against a level 52 Klingon is just horrid. I was in a fleet defense and saw one get 1 shot with a regular torpedo... over, and over... I felt sorry for him, but there was nothing I could do except try to take agro, and with the Klingons NPCs getting buffed in the last patch, that was hard.
over half of players are now FTP and the MAJORITY of them are captain or lower
Where the hell are you getting this Guff most people level up there character to Lvl 50 in a couple of days and cryptic have said Season 6 was for more end game content which is what the fleet events are
NO TO ARC
Vice Admiral Volmack ISS Thundermole
Brigadier General Jokag IKS Gorkan
Centurion Kares RRW Tomalak
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
They won?t get better or enjoy the game by blowing up and getting frustrated because they are not able to contribute. Letting them compete in a bracket of their own simply makes the game more enjoyable for low-tier characters.
People at a lower tier are usually playing with other people on the same level(range). That?s what it?s always been like in every mmo(rpg) I have played so far and even in this game. Mirror-Event is gated, PvP is gated, Starbase 24 is gated, so why not the fleet event?
If it?s all about integrating new players, then I?m sure there are tons of players and alts out there which are at their level and which they can play with in events they can actually enjoy.
Really? I and countless others went through it and I for one, had fun, and looked forward to getting better. But hey, if it works, I don't see a reason to create content for low level players.
I wanna go back to being weird. I like being weird. Weird's all I got, oh, and my sweet style. -Maurice Moss, The IT Crowd
if you put a level cap it should be a maximum not a minimum
What noob are you if not trolling simply shut up and get out of this Forum !!!
They should make VA Versions for this Events or make them for VA only. And make Fleets for VA only too. But in the end i dont play them because Nukara at Fleet Marks Event gives me mutch more Fleet Marks.
18 Cpt on the way to 60: 14 of them are already 50 or over 50, one is 60 and 3 almost 43
Subscribed For: 4 years 5 months 20 days at 26.10.2014
I find there is a simple solution to when there are low levels in your group in fleet events. I always click on each player as soon as I can to check there rank, whenever I see anyone lower then VA, I warp out, no leaver penalty. I have to do this less then half the time.
On a side note I also find I bring BOFF into incursion pretty regularly, but I have no idea how this happens, I think this is a bug, and not an exploit as a player stated earlier in this thread.
Many of us just aren't interested in wearing EV suits so will be doing these events for FM instead of Nukara, I haven't bothered with it myself besides just beaming down to the begining area then beaming up after a couple minutes later when I found out I have to wear an EV suit instead of MACO I worked hard for.
Fleets should REQUIRE people to exist in multiple ranks
and as for your "obey or leave" demand
We beat the borg DAILY
we can beat the stupidity of elitism just as easily
no one here is a "noob"
except people who think its ok to block 90% of players from content because 10% want to be GOD
incursion in particular should be captains and under
simply because in a REAL intruder alert its security that sweeps for intruders not the fleet admiral and her tea boy
Fleets should REQUIRE people to exist in multiple ranks
and as for your "obey or leave" demand
We beat the borg DAILY
we can beat the stupidity of elitism just as easily
no one here is a "noob"
except people who think its ok to block 90% of players from content because 10% want to be GOD
So we should be forced to carry low level players rather then enjoy the game ourselves? This is ridiculous, it only takes a few days to make level 50, maybe 2 weeks to a month for new players to make it, there is more then enough episode content to keep them occupied until they make 50. Fleet events need to be either level 50 only, or made into seperate matches based on rank so we can get VA only fleet events while still leaving it available for the few players that think they need fleet marks now instead of focusing on leveling like they should.
My max level characters (I have three) exist only to support the lower level ones
the Game ENDS for them at 50 for now
and im not saying carry them im saying let them carry themselves
provide content that is theirs ALONE
and keep the higher levels out
Cap incursion at captain (possibly also fleet alert)
provide a mission at VA maybe (perhaps a borg cube at full power approaches the base and only admirals can fight it)
But a fleet should have at least some people of a rank low enough they can actually get some work done
Now you are suggesting to take away new content intended mostly for end game players (S6 was about endgame). This is just silly, most players are over level 50, and there is no shortage of content for lower levels to get them there. Your suggestions are completely unnecessary and would ruin the game by driving off higher level players (most of the population unless you can prove otherwise) but hey I think thats what you want, a boring game empty of population.
Branflakes is human
he like everyone else has opinions and views and is entitled to them
I disagree with them but I will protect his right to hold them
this is called Democracy its a concept we have where the bus is not the only option
democracy is not the same as freedom of speech or opinion...one is a political system, the other is supposed to be a human right.
A game with only maxed characters is DEAD
and Fleets should be cradle to grave (lt - admiral)
you want admiral only content you need to have no admiral allowed content
first sentence...you can't actually believe this TRIBBLE you are writing?! Complete nonsense. And thats not even my opinion, it's common sense.
A single player RPG may be boring if you hit maxlvl and finished the story...but it's the contrary for a MMORPG.
you should really get a lifetime forum ban...if that is not constantly trolling what you do...i don't know.
Freedom to speak works both ways and as soon as you start calling people names or trying to bully them into silence and obedience you have KILLED human rights for yourself and others
democracy is not the same as freedom of speech or opinion...one is a political system, the other is supposed to be a human right.
first sentence...you can't actually believe this TRIBBLE you are writing?! Complete nonsense. And thats not even my opinion, it's common sense.
you should really get a lifetime forum ban...if that is not constantly trolling what you do...i don't know.
Seems like he does hate this game and just wants to see it ruined.
There is no shortage of content for lower level people, more then enough to keep them occupied until they reach level 50. However once you reach max level you are there for good, and endgame content is where this game has been lacking in.
You will reach level 50 by doing all the episodes and mixing in the occasional pvp mission and old fleet actions, and mirror events. There is no need for more lower level content.
Well the rank system could have been managed better, but I just like to pretend my level 50 is just a senior Captain, not a VA. Works ok for me and makes sense since you only command one ship at a time while real Admirals command multiple ships.
Still no reason to limit content from higher levels or why lower levels need more content. You want more content for lower levels don't save the episodes until you reach captain, do them as soon as you can.
Why do they need fleet marks when the fleet items and ships are all level 50 stuff anyway.
I'm not worried about people leaving to play EVE, that game is almost ten years old and outdated, its not exactly appealing to new players, its just kept around for the existing population.
Im saying low levels need a way to earn fleet marks
and it should be incursion (where they are as effective if not more effective than skeved admirals)
if they are cut out from fleet mark events they are going to go play eve
you only want that, because you have a quadrillion low level toons...but guess what, the majority only plays on VA level.
and then ofcourse, your skill is insufficent even for the easiest of VA content...so you come here and demand that the game is made to suit your way of playing.
but guess what: having 30+ alts and a one player fleet is not the intended way of playing this game. Deal with it or leave.
Why do they need fleet marks when the fleet items and ships are all level 50 stuff anyway.
I heard of fleets which are so small, they need everyone to contribute fleet marks, regardless of level ... might be rumours though.
The fleet I'm in is pretty quick contributing everything except for fleet marks.
This makes fleet marks nearly the only thing to contribute for "late birds".
As it works out, no one is unhappy about it.
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They won?t get better or enjoy the game by blowing up and getting frustrated because they are not able to contribute. Letting them compete in a bracket of their own simply makes the game more enjoyable for low-tier characters.
People at a lower tier are usually playing with other people on the same level(range). That?s what it?s always been like in every mmo(rpg) I have played so far and even in this game. Mirror-Event is gated, PvP is gated, Starbase 24 is gated, so why not the fleet event?
If it?s all about integrating new players, then I?m sure there are tons of players and alts out there which are at their level and which they can play with in events they can actually enjoy.
It would seem that even Cryptic World employees don't want to have anything to do with lower levels in FE's like starbase defense.
I'm sorry, I don't understand what you are trying to get here?
I thought that if you went out in zone chat and put together a team of VA's and did Private you got what are you are asking for.
But to me I don't see that a gated group of VA's when you're Pugging is going to do any better. I have Pugged with VA's that were well equipped and still ended up with a failed mission because they were horseing around.
Personly I would rather be stuck with tier-2 player that is trying to do it right, than having a VA that is horseing around
In fact I know that I have screwed up on occasions, I don't mean to. And I have had times when my ISP has made me look bad.
If I am understading you correctly, then our only option is not to pug.
I also want to say thank you to the tier-2 Capton that was watching my back during a Sirius sector Borg fleet. I never would have thought as a tier-2 Caption to shoot down the large Plasma torpideos leaving the VA's to concentrate on killing the borg boss ship.
Tier 1: 1-9
Tier 2: 10-19
Tier 3: 20-29
Tier 4: 30-39
Tier 5: 40-49
Tier 6: 50
And the reason for the VAs to be in thier own tier is because a level 41 against a level 52 Klingon is just horrid. I was in a fleet defense and saw one get 1 shot with a regular torpedo... over, and over... I felt sorry for him, but there was nothing I could do except try to take agro, and with the Klingons NPCs getting buffed in the last patch, that was hard.
we got groups 1-6 in the time allowed but could not complete
Not a bad run considering
now im prepared to keep doing this indefinately if it solves the problem
Man of the match Lt com Hawksworth (human) for insane beam death blossom (faw) when completely surrounded by birds of prey
he didn't destroy any but he did weaken the shields enough for a team mates torp salvo to do so
special mention to Lt Mimi (some sort of alien) for calling "he is mine" on a fully armed negh and eventually getting it
Where the hell are you getting this Guff most people level up there character to Lvl 50 in a couple of days and cryptic have said Season 6 was for more end game content which is what the fleet events are
Vice Admiral Volmack ISS Thundermole
Brigadier General Jokag IKS Gorkan
Centurion Kares RRW Tomalak
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Really? I and countless others went through it and I for one, had fun, and looked forward to getting better. But hey, if it works, I don't see a reason to create content for low level players.
They should make VA Versions for this Events or make them for VA only. And make Fleets for VA only too.
Subscribed For: 4 years 5 months 20 days at 26.10.2014
On a side note I also find I bring BOFF into incursion pretty regularly, but I have no idea how this happens, I think this is a bug, and not an exploit as a player stated earlier in this thread.
Many of us just aren't interested in wearing EV suits so will be doing these events for FM instead of Nukara, I haven't bothered with it myself besides just beaming down to the begining area then beaming up after a couple minutes later when I found out I have to wear an EV suit instead of MACO I worked hard for.
and as for your "obey or leave" demand
We beat the borg DAILY
we can beat the stupidity of elitism just as easily
no one here is a "noob"
except people who think its ok to block 90% of players from content because 10% want to be GOD
incursion in particular should be captains and under
simply because in a REAL intruder alert its security that sweeps for intruders not the fleet admiral and her tea boy
So we should be forced to carry low level players rather then enjoy the game ourselves? This is ridiculous, it only takes a few days to make level 50, maybe 2 weeks to a month for new players to make it, there is more then enough episode content to keep them occupied until they make 50. Fleet events need to be either level 50 only, or made into seperate matches based on rank so we can get VA only fleet events while still leaving it available for the few players that think they need fleet marks now instead of focusing on leveling like they should.
the Game ENDS for them at 50 for now
and im not saying carry them im saying let them carry themselves
provide content that is theirs ALONE
and keep the higher levels out
Cap incursion at captain (possibly also fleet alert)
provide a mission at VA maybe (perhaps a borg cube at full power approaches the base and only admirals can fight it)
But a fleet should have at least some people of a rank low enough they can actually get some work done
and cryptic can be wrong guys (look at the 700 zen space suit for an example)
Personally im considering running events for lower ranks only (as in if you are over captain you don't come )
and trollvax disagrees with them...guess what he doesn't care...where he lives the buses don't go.
he like everyone else has opinions and views and is entitled to them
I disagree with them but I will protect his right to hold them
this is called Democracy its a concept we have where the bus is not the only option
Now you are suggesting to take away new content intended mostly for end game players (S6 was about endgame). This is just silly, most players are over level 50, and there is no shortage of content for lower levels to get them there. Your suggestions are completely unnecessary and would ruin the game by driving off higher level players (most of the population unless you can prove otherwise) but hey I think thats what you want, a boring game empty of population.
and Fleets should be cradle to grave (lt - admiral)
you want admiral only content you need to have no admiral allowed content
democracy is not the same as freedom of speech or opinion...one is a political system, the other is supposed to be a human right.
first sentence...you can't actually believe this TRIBBLE you are writing?! Complete nonsense. And thats not even my opinion, it's common sense.
A single player RPG may be boring if you hit maxlvl and finished the story...but it's the contrary for a MMORPG.
you should really get a lifetime forum ban...if that is not constantly trolling what you do...i don't know.
We invented them (and everything else of value)
Freedom to speak works both ways and as soon as you start calling people names or trying to bully them into silence and obedience you have KILLED human rights for yourself and others
but not for them
Seems like he does hate this game and just wants to see it ruined.
You will reach level 50 by doing all the episodes and mixing in the occasional pvp mission and old fleet actions, and mirror events. There is no need for more lower level content.
personally I like to save the mission content until I reach captain in most cases
those who hate the game want only "endgame"
I want
ongoing game
demotion to captain and then levels 51-whatever doing missions as a captain
I want to see people treated as people
not told "come back when you are ready to retire"
Still no reason to limit content from higher levels or why lower levels need more content. You want more content for lower levels don't save the episodes until you reach captain, do them as soon as you can.
and it should be incursion (where they are as effective if not more effective than skeved admirals)
if they are cut out from fleet mark events they are going to go play eve
I'm not worried about people leaving to play EVE, that game is almost ten years old and outdated, its not exactly appealing to new players, its just kept around for the existing population.
you only want that, because you have a quadrillion low level toons...but guess what, the majority only plays on VA level.
and then ofcourse, your skill is insufficent even for the easiest of VA content...so you come here and demand that the game is made to suit your way of playing.
but guess what: having 30+ alts and a one player fleet is not the intended way of playing this game. Deal with it or leave.
I heard of fleets which are so small, they need everyone to contribute fleet marks, regardless of level ... might be rumours though.
The fleet I'm in is pretty quick contributing everything except for fleet marks.
This makes fleet marks nearly the only thing to contribute for "late birds".
As it works out, no one is unhappy about it.