Then let me make myself PERFECTLY CLEAR, FOR YOU!!!
I want the "Fleet Science Vessel Retrofit". In plain English, that's the NOVA CLASS at Tier 5.
Do you see any Tier 5 Science Vessel (Refit, Retrofit whatever ****ing naming scheme they use), in the C-Store? I certainly don't. Which means, I have to buy BOTH the 200k Fleet Credit one PLUS, 4 modules (for 20 bucks) if I want the Nova at T5.
If I want the Intrepid Class Fleet Retrofit (I already have the Intrepid Retrofit via VA token), then I need to shell out... 40 bucks. 20 to buy the Retrofit AGAIN, via the C-Store, and 20 for the modules.
CLEAR ENOUGH FOR YOU?
You're still wrong about the Intrepid. If you buy the T5 Retrofit Intrepid, it'll cost $20, yes. But it will reduce the cost of the Fleet version from 4 Modules to 1, so it'll only be another $5 after that.
As for the Nova, maybe I missed something about the Fleet version costs, but I thought the Fleet ones only cost 20k Merits and 4 Modules? Where's this 200k bull coming from?
My point is, why should I (who already HAVE the T5 Retrofit Intrepid), have to buy the ship AGAIN, when I really want the Fleet version? Answer: So that Cryptic can extract more money from me. I earnt my Intrepid Retrofit the hard way, back before they made leveling easy-mode, back before they removed the VA token as a "leveling reward".
So according to your math, i'll have to pay 20 bucks to buy the ship AGAIN (which I already have), PLUS another 5 bucks to get 1 module. I'm paying 25 bucks to get a slightly upgraded version of a ship I already have, when there are BRAND NEW ships in the C-Store for the same cost, and would provide better variety.
Do you see the flaw in this planning by Cryptic, or do I need to spell it out for you?
As for the Nova, I -assumed- I had to buy the normal "Science Vessel Retrofit" FIRST, in order to access the "Fleet Science Vessel Retrofit", which would cost a total of 4 modules + 220k Fleet Credits (20 bucks plus a **** load of grinding). If that assumption is incorrect, please enlighten me as to where I can read the FACTS on the matter.
As for the Nova, I -assumed- I had to buy the normal "Science Vessel Retrofit" FIRST, in order to access the "Fleet Science Vessel Retrofit", which would cost a total of 4 modules + 220k Fleet Credits (20 bucks plus a **** load of grinding). If that assumption is incorrect, please enlighten me as to where I can read the FACTS on the matter.
Meurik. The way it works is like this. You can grind up 200k for a normal T5 version of the older ships, or you can grind up 20k and drop 20 dollars on a better version. But you don't need to pay 200k and then 20k plus the 20 dollars.
As for getting discounts. you get a discount on any ship in the C-store that you paid 20 dollars or more for the ship. ( with the exception of the odyssey ships because they are already at the same tier as the fleet ships. ) any ship under 20 dollars you have to pay 20 dollars plus the grind to get the fleet version of the ship. If you got the ship for free like via a vice admiral token. then you have to pay the same as any free ship that is in the game. But if you bought one of the retrofits. you only have to get one mod instead of four.
That is the way the system works at this time.
Now what I would like to see is the option to grind up that 220k and get a discount on the ships, but it is not that way right now sadly.
It's a free to play game. They have to nickel and dime you somewhere. I like the idea of going back to a monthly sub and just paying for things by using in game credits.
That is a good question. I would like to know this too, but if I was to take a guess leviathan. I would be willing to bet that the answer is no. you would have to still buy 4 of the modules.
also does anyone know if someone releases a ship if I have to buy more modules to get it
back again or just grind fleet credits?
The answer is NO. The only way you get a discount is if you have the C-Store variant.
Same for me I've mostly played Dragon Age I and II. I just came back to test the new season (I haven't missed a single test reward so far don't want to start now). From what I can tell I will only stick around until I have a blue quality EVA suit. I can't get a T5 refit of the T2 cruiser, I can't upgrade my T5 Excelsior and I just spend 200.000 dilithium on my personal starbase just to open the windows and didn't get a singe fleet xp for that. Even if they release the ships I want it's smarter to wait and pay a bigger fleet for using their shipyard for a minute.
The point is that you still have to be in a fleet where the ship is unlocked in the shipyard to buy it with the fleet credits and fleet ship modules. If you want one of the most powerful ships now without being in a fleet buy an Oddy or an Armitage from the C-Store.
So... In theory I can upgrade my T5 Galaxy class to have the same amount of consoles as the Odyssey? Can I do the same thing with the Boff lay-out?
i know ppl are upset with the top tier fleet ships, but what about the lower ones? which ships are for 220k fleet marks and dont require 1-4 modules. night be low tier but for a player in a large fleet who is pure f2p is there a new version of any ships for me? are we receiving two lvls of ships w s6? or are they all requiring $5-20 to get?
The ships that don't need fleet modules are all retrofits (higher-tier versions). You can get a higher-tier version of ships like the Saber, Nova, Intrepid, Akira, Galaxy, Olympic, Cheyenne, Nebula, and Defiant for nothing but fleet credits. But your fleet will have to get to the proper level and stock some ship provisions.
This can be cheaper in cases where the retrofits normally cost money on the c-store, but you won't get the special consoles or costumes that come with the c-store versions.
Keep in mind that all the fleet available ships are effectively tier 5, so you'll have to be higher level to use them, even if they look like a lower-tier ship.
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The ships that don't need fleet modules are all retrofits (higher-tier versions). You can get a higher-tier version of ships like the Saber, Nova, Intrepid, Akira, Galaxy, Olympic, Cheyenne, Nebula, and Defiant for nothing but fleet credits. But your fleet will have to get to the proper level and stock some ship provisions.
This can be cheaper in cases where the retrofits normally cost money on the c-store, but you won't get the special consoles or costumes that come with the c-store versions.
Keep in mind that all the fleet available ships are effectively tier 5, so you'll have to be higher level to use them, even if they look like a lower-tier ship.
Question I keep wondering to myself is can the fleet ships be used anywheres. I know the ground weapons can only be used in areas near your starbase meaning in the neutral zone I figured. I sure would hate to fork over for a Galaxy or some other low tier ship for a refit only to find out I cant take it out of the neutral zone.
Question I keep wondering to myself is can the fleet ships be used anywheres. I know the ground weapons can only be used in areas near your starbase meaning in the neutral zone I figured. I sure would hate to fork over for a Galaxy or some other low tier ship for a refit only to find out I cant take it out of the neutral zone.
Only the Operational Assets are restricted to fleet event maps. Fleet ships, once bought, are no different from any other character-bound ship.
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Only the Operational Assets are restricted to fleet event maps. Fleet ships, once bought, are no different from any other character-bound ship.
Thats good to know. Now I am off to see if I can find a list of all fleet ship retrofits that are covered. I kind of doubt ships that you had to buy via the store would be covered.
. As it is, I have no doubt, the C-Store ships will eventually be changed to character-specific as well.
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That's just great... Let's hope that doesn't happen...
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THIS right here. Al may not have "promised" anything in said podcast, but he certainly heavily hinted at it. I KNOW, I listened to the full 1.5 hour long podcast where they discussed at lengths, about the new ships in Season 6. And who gets screwed over for all of this? The long-term players who have hung in here, since the start...
I actually feel a bit sorry for him. All he wanted was to bring the players some nice toys to play with, and he took the time out of his busy schedule to actually stay in contact with the community which is something most devs in most companies can't be bothered to do, but since the executives corporate greed office are complete TRIBBLE this whole mess is blowing up in their faces, and I'm sure Al is stuck in that explosion for trying to be a nice guy who was turned into a liar by people who couldn't give two ****s about their customers.
Keep in mind that all the fleet available ships are effectively tier 5, so you'll have to be higher level to use them, even if they look like a lower-tier ship.
Given the stats, it's more like tier 4.5. You get all the weapons and consoles, and the boff layout, but these are going to explode more. I can see the lowered hull points, they are smaller after all, but what's up with the reduced shield modifiers? Why would my Tier 2 science vessel have more shields than a Tier 5 retrofit if I were to fit the same MK XII shields to it?
Yet for some reason I would still have to pay $20 for the fleet retrofit (the non fleet retrofit is useless by the way. It needs a LtC Tac to be worth grinding for), and all the $7.50 I spent on the refit gets me is a pretty skin for it.
the whole point of them requiring dilithium for fleet projects is to get ppl to dump thier dilith into the startbase that way when the base is ready for you to get ur fleet ship , u will have no more dilith and will have to buy it with real money.(thats why they started it off with a 200k dilith vanity project)
its all part of the more money less effort plan from pwe
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I am still suprised after all the i hate fleets and someone has to buy that noone actualy had taken the time to check on what ships qualify for discount.
After all Branflakes did say several times if you bought a T5 you get a discount.
So here it comes.
FED:
Tactical Retrofit Escort (Defiant)
Long Range Science vessel (Voyager)
Exploration Cruiser retrofit (Galaxy)
Advanced Research Vessel retrofit (Nebula)
Heavy Escort Carrier (Armitage)
KDF:
none
If you consider that three of the five FED Ships are Veteran/Vice Admiral token ships they wont qualify for most players either.
So still FED get discount it is just hilarious no matter what we as player allready have bought, we have to shell out 20$ a Fleet ship, especialy KDF gets shafted in the process.
Until all Fleet ships get a to one module discount unlock attached or the overal price for ship modules drop to a reasonable state people will continue to be upset customers and they have a right to be upset.
...yeah, it's pretty hard NOT to see how the KDF gets the shaft--again--here. Well, really, it's just a question of who gets it more. I mean, when I pay $20-25 for a C-store ship I am expecting a new model, skin, universal console, and of course the ship--unlocked for all of my characters and reclaimable at will. Here you can spend $20 in addition to any resources and dilithium you have put into your starbase just to get better ship stats for a ship you probably already have--for only one character. (Maybe a new skin, too, I forgot if these fleet variants were getting a new skin.)
P.S. The idea of paying $20, or some combination of cash and currency I earned through the game, for the new version of the Recon Science Vessel is simply galling. No matter how one tries to rationalize the situation, it's still painful...having something you want quite a bit dangled in front of you but knowing you're getting ripped off--in comparison to other in-game purchases--if you bite.
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I am still suprised after all the i hate fleets and someone has to buy that noone actualy had taken the time to check on what ships qualify for discount.
After all Branflakes did several time say if you bought a T5 you get discount.
So here it comes.
FED:
Tactical Retrofit Escort (Defiant)
Long Range Science vessel (Voyager)
Exploration Cruiser retrofit (Galaxy)
Advanced Research Vessel retrofit (Nebula)
Heavy Escort Carrier (Armitage)
KDF:
none
If you consider that three of the five FED Ships are Veteran/Vice Admiral token ships they wont qualify for most players either.
So still FED get discount it is just hilarious no matter what we as player allready have bought, we have to shell out 20$ a Fleet ship, especialy KDF gets shafted in the process.
Until all Fleet ships get a to one module discount unlock attached or the overal price for ship modules drop to a reasonable state people will continue to be upset customers and they have a right to be upset.
thats why every tier 2 and 3 retrofit ship that doesn't have the word fleet in front of it should be on sale in the c store for however much Z is 1400C. then all those fleet novas, sabers, ktinga's and somra's wouldn't cost so much per character if you bought them first. there would be the initial investment of it being unlocked forever on your account, and only a minor investment on the superior fleet version per character.
After all Branflakes did say several times if you bought a T5 you get a discount.
So here it comes.
FED:
Tactical Retrofit Escort (Defiant)
Long Range Science vessel (Voyager)
Exploration Cruiser retrofit (Galaxy)
Advanced Research Vessel retrofit (Nebula)
Heavy Escort Carrier (Armitage)
KDF:
none
And what about the Multi Vector Assault? It's also a T5 ship and there's a fleet version too. Don't you get a discount on a fleet version when you buy the store version? And what about Bortas on the Klingon side?
thats why every tier 2 and 3 retrofit ship that doesn't have the word fleet in front of it should be on sale in the c store for however much Z is 1400C. then all those fleet novas, sabers, ktinga's and somra's wouldn't cost so much per character if you bought them first. there would be the initial investment of it being unlocked forever on your account, and only a minor investment on the superior fleet version per character.
I am not totaly certain if putting any none fleet retrofits in the Store would not devalue the whole Fleet Shipyard aspect.
After all people did spend cash on equal tier +1 refits in the first place to throw in another retrofit in the shop could do even more harm then benefit the whole thing imho.
And what about the Multi Vector Assault? It's also a T5 ship and there's a fleet version too. Don't you get a discount on a fleet version when you buy the store version? And what about Bortas on the Klingon side?
The Z-Store is a MVAM and the Fleet version is a Fleet Advanced Escort two diffrent ships so no discount.
Bortas and Oddy are the Free versions that we got handed out at christmas they are inferior to the Z-Store variants so again no discount, and there is no ship module needed in the firstplace for those. (actualy would be bad to downgrade anyway).
By "purchase a C-store ship" do you include costumes? For the original T5 ships there was no C-store ship, just skins. Will Fleet versions of these ships be discounted, too?
By "purchase a C-store ship" do you include costumes? For the original T5 ships there was no C-store ship, just skins. Will Fleet versions of these ships be discounted, too?
No discounts for ship costumes.
I have all ship costumes unlocked and none of em qualifys for a discount.
First, I know of no other company that would offer an upgrade for $5 dollars less than the original. So you actually have to play the game to get it, my god what a travesty. Isn't that what we're supposed to be doing? Or do you stare at your ships for hours on end? Oh, you won't get your special console if you don't buy the Z-Store ship? They aren't game changers, people.
Secondly, having to buy the lower tier version plus the higher tier version has been around since F2P launched. If you want both the Tier 3 Nebula and the Tier 5 Nebula you have to buy them separately. So if you buy the Tier 3 Rhode Island for $7.50, the Tier 5 Fleet Rhode Island will cost you $20, $2.50 cheaper than what a normal T5 upgrade would cost.
Lastly, how are the KDF getting the shaft? If they had T5 versions of the ships on the Z-Store, the would have to buy those for $25 and turn around and buy the fleet upgrade for $5 dollars more. The way I see it they are making out better than the Feds, they only have to buy T5 versions of their ships for $20, and they don't have to worry about missing out on a special console, saving $10 in the process.
Gold members have less to complain about as your stipend will cover the cost of your $5 upgrade.
The Z-Store is a MVAM and the Fleet version is a Fleet Advanced Escort two diffrent ships so no discount.
I'm sorry but that's the absolute stupidest, most money-grubbing thing I've ever heard. It's amazing how the exact same logic doesn't work in reverse: if the Adv. Escort and the MVAE are such wildly different ships, why isn't there a Fleet MVAE?
First, I know of no other company that would offer an upgrade for $5 dollars less than the original. So you actually have to play the game to get it, my god what a travesty. Isn't that what we're supposed to be doing? Or do you stare at your ships for hours on end? Oh, you won't get your special console if you don't buy the Z-Store ship? They aren't game changers, people.
Secondly, having to buy the lower tier version plus the higher tier version has been around since F2P launched. If you want both the Tier 3 Nebula and the Tier 5 Nebula you have to buy them separately. So if you buy the Tier 3 Rhode Island for $7.50, the Tier 5 Fleet Rhode Island will cost you $20, $2.50 cheaper than what a normal T5 upgrade would cost.
Lastly, how are the KDF getting the shaft? If they had T5 versions of the ships on the Z-Store, the would have to buy those for $25 and turn around and buy the fleet upgrade for $5 dollars more. The way I see it they are making out better than the Feds, they only have to buy T5 versions of their ships for $20, and they don't have to worry about missing out on a special console, saving $10 in the process.
Gold members have less to complain about as your stipend will cover the cost of your $5 upgrade.
Heh please consider to check the conditions that are involved first before you take on a tone that could be considered unfriendly.
Here a summary of some of the issues the rest you have to look up for your own so you see what is the issue.
Almost no ship at all qualifys for a 5$ discount no matter if you have a none Fleet version or not. It will be almost always 20$ on a per toon basis.
All Fleet Ships are toon specific not account unlocks charging 20$ is indeed alot more then 20$, 25$ or 40$ for all your toons of the same faction. (should you have more then one toon ofcourse)
All free rank up token or veteran token ships also do not qualify for a discount.
KDF have not a single ship that does qualify for a discount so it is always 20$ for a singel ship.
It was said on a podcast that Fleet ships will cost a small Store fee because of the fact you get a Store ship with better stats but without the consol. Infact as soon as you want a second ship you pay more then a T5 Store ship costs.
If this is not already enough that there are some flaws that could be easily addresed i don't know what in addition is needed to open some peoples eyes.
It is not about we (me and my fleeties) want those ships right away no we want to grind for them.
And no we don't want them for absolutly free either. Still as long as those ships are one toon throw away ships and not unlocks they should not cost more then 1$ to 5$ at all.
That is customer feedback simple stated as it is.
No rage no flamme no insults.
The Z-Store is a MVAM and the Fleet version is a Fleet Advanced Escort two diffrent ships so no discount.
Bortas and Oddy are the Free versions that we got handed out at christmas they are inferior to the Z-Store variants so here also no discount (actualy would be bad to downgrade anyway).
I'm sorry but that's the absolute stupidest, most money-grubbing thing I've ever heard. It's amazing how the exact same logic doesn't work in reverse: if the Adv. Escort and the MVAE are such wildly different ships, why isn't there a Fleet MVAE?
Nothing to disagree with you from my side.
The Advanced Escort is a freebe or dilithium ship from the ship vendor not a Store ship the MVAM is a pure Store ship.
And that is the point where all the discount unlocks do bite them self they just don't apply.
I don't wan't to say it was intentional.
rather i think it was a oversight as for the STF lockout of the Armitage on release day.
Still the DEV's have one more Day before the first potential Fleets unlock the T1 Shipyard and change it.
The Z-Store is a MVAM and the Fleet version is a Fleet Advanced Escort two diffrent ships so no discount.
That is... Unthinkable... I know they are "different" ships but it's the same class. I guess I'll be buying only the MVAM then I won't pay twice for nearly the same thing.
Bortas and Oddy are the Free versions that we got handed out at christmas they are inferior to the Z-Store variants so here also no discount (actualy would be bad to downgrade anyway).
Again... There are Z-Store versions of Bortas and Odyssey (I never thought about the freebies here). I simply can't understand it. Klingons are in even worse situation than the Feds. Only Vor'cha for me then. Maybe one of the carriers too but I'm not sure about that.
The Z-Store is a MVAM and the Fleet version is a Fleet Advanced Escort two diffrent ships so no discount.
I don't even see a Fleet advanced escort on the star ship list for fleet ships. ( I will keep looking ) but if what you said is true. then I am sticking to my multi vectored. There is no way I am going to pay another 20 dollars for that ship to get a little bit more out of it and a new skin.
But as far as I can tell at this time there is no Fleet Advanced Escort in the game yet.
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You're still wrong about the Intrepid. If you buy the T5 Retrofit Intrepid, it'll cost $20, yes. But it will reduce the cost of the Fleet version from 4 Modules to 1, so it'll only be another $5 after that.
As for the Nova, maybe I missed something about the Fleet version costs, but I thought the Fleet ones only cost 20k Merits and 4 Modules? Where's this 200k bull coming from?
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i feel like thier makeing me re- buy somthing i already bought
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So according to your math, i'll have to pay 20 bucks to buy the ship AGAIN (which I already have), PLUS another 5 bucks to get 1 module. I'm paying 25 bucks to get a slightly upgraded version of a ship I already have, when there are BRAND NEW ships in the C-Store for the same cost, and would provide better variety.
Do you see the flaw in this planning by Cryptic, or do I need to spell it out for you?
As for the Nova, I -assumed- I had to buy the normal "Science Vessel Retrofit" FIRST, in order to access the "Fleet Science Vessel Retrofit", which would cost a total of 4 modules + 220k Fleet Credits (20 bucks plus a **** load of grinding). If that assumption is incorrect, please enlighten me as to where I can read the FACTS on the matter.
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Meurik. The way it works is like this. You can grind up 200k for a normal T5 version of the older ships, or you can grind up 20k and drop 20 dollars on a better version. But you don't need to pay 200k and then 20k plus the 20 dollars.
As for getting discounts. you get a discount on any ship in the C-store that you paid 20 dollars or more for the ship. ( with the exception of the odyssey ships because they are already at the same tier as the fleet ships. ) any ship under 20 dollars you have to pay 20 dollars plus the grind to get the fleet version of the ship. If you got the ship for free like via a vice admiral token. then you have to pay the same as any free ship that is in the game. But if you bought one of the retrofits. you only have to get one mod instead of four.
That is the way the system works at this time.
Now what I would like to see is the option to grind up that 220k and get a discount on the ships, but it is not that way right now sadly.
The answer is NO. The only way you get a discount is if you have the C-Store variant.
So... In theory I can upgrade my T5 Galaxy class to have the same amount of consoles as the Odyssey? Can I do the same thing with the Boff lay-out?
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This can be cheaper in cases where the retrofits normally cost money on the c-store, but you won't get the special consoles or costumes that come with the c-store versions.
Keep in mind that all the fleet available ships are effectively tier 5, so you'll have to be higher level to use them, even if they look like a lower-tier ship.
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Question I keep wondering to myself is can the fleet ships be used anywheres. I know the ground weapons can only be used in areas near your starbase meaning in the neutral zone I figured. I sure would hate to fork over for a Galaxy or some other low tier ship for a refit only to find out I cant take it out of the neutral zone.
Only the Operational Assets are restricted to fleet event maps. Fleet ships, once bought, are no different from any other character-bound ship.
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Thats good to know. Now I am off to see if I can find a list of all fleet ship retrofits that are covered. I kind of doubt ships that you had to buy via the store would be covered.
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That's just great... Let's hope that doesn't happen...
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Given the stats, it's more like tier 4.5. You get all the weapons and consoles, and the boff layout, but these are going to explode more. I can see the lowered hull points, they are smaller after all, but what's up with the reduced shield modifiers? Why would my Tier 2 science vessel have more shields than a Tier 5 retrofit if I were to fit the same MK XII shields to it?
Yet for some reason I would still have to pay $20 for the fleet retrofit (the non fleet retrofit is useless by the way. It needs a LtC Tac to be worth grinding for), and all the $7.50 I spent on the refit gets me is a pretty skin for it.
its all part of the more money less effort plan from pwe
welcome to china gaming
pretty soon their gonna charge us 1 dilith per word we type..................
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After all Branflakes did say several times if you bought a T5 you get a discount.
So here it comes.
FED:
KDF:
If you consider that three of the five FED Ships are Veteran/Vice Admiral token ships they wont qualify for most players either.
So still FED get discount it is just hilarious no matter what we as player allready have bought, we have to shell out 20$ a Fleet ship, especialy KDF gets shafted in the process.
Until all Fleet ships get a to one module discount unlock attached or the overal price for ship modules drop to a reasonable state people will continue to be upset customers and they have a right to be upset.
P.S. The idea of paying $20, or some combination of cash and currency I earned through the game, for the new version of the Recon Science Vessel is simply galling. No matter how one tries to rationalize the situation, it's still painful...having something you want quite a bit dangled in front of you but knowing you're getting ripped off--in comparison to other in-game purchases--if you bite.
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thats why every tier 2 and 3 retrofit ship that doesn't have the word fleet in front of it should be on sale in the c store for however much Z is 1400C. then all those fleet novas, sabers, ktinga's and somra's wouldn't cost so much per character if you bought them first. there would be the initial investment of it being unlocked forever on your account, and only a minor investment on the superior fleet version per character.
Ever since yesterday, and in every thread related to the whole fleet ship thing, yes.
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I am not totaly certain if putting any none fleet retrofits in the Store would not devalue the whole Fleet Shipyard aspect.
After all people did spend cash on equal tier +1 refits in the first place to throw in another retrofit in the shop could do even more harm then benefit the whole thing imho.
The Z-Store is a MVAM and the Fleet version is a Fleet Advanced Escort two diffrent ships so no discount.
Bortas and Oddy are the Free versions that we got handed out at christmas they are inferior to the Z-Store variants so again no discount, and there is no ship module needed in the firstplace for those. (actualy would be bad to downgrade anyway).
No discounts for ship costumes.
I have all ship costumes unlocked and none of em qualifys for a discount.
First, I know of no other company that would offer an upgrade for $5 dollars less than the original. So you actually have to play the game to get it, my god what a travesty. Isn't that what we're supposed to be doing? Or do you stare at your ships for hours on end? Oh, you won't get your special console if you don't buy the Z-Store ship? They aren't game changers, people.
Secondly, having to buy the lower tier version plus the higher tier version has been around since F2P launched. If you want both the Tier 3 Nebula and the Tier 5 Nebula you have to buy them separately. So if you buy the Tier 3 Rhode Island for $7.50, the Tier 5 Fleet Rhode Island will cost you $20, $2.50 cheaper than what a normal T5 upgrade would cost.
Lastly, how are the KDF getting the shaft? If they had T5 versions of the ships on the Z-Store, the would have to buy those for $25 and turn around and buy the fleet upgrade for $5 dollars more. The way I see it they are making out better than the Feds, they only have to buy T5 versions of their ships for $20, and they don't have to worry about missing out on a special console, saving $10 in the process.
Gold members have less to complain about as your stipend will cover the cost of your $5 upgrade.
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I'm sorry but that's the absolute stupidest, most money-grubbing thing I've ever heard. It's amazing how the exact same logic doesn't work in reverse: if the Adv. Escort and the MVAE are such wildly different ships, why isn't there a Fleet MVAE?
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[9:52] [Zone #11] Neal@trapper1532: im a omega force shadow oprative and a maoc elite camander and here i am taking water samples
Heh please consider to check the conditions that are involved first before you take on a tone that could be considered unfriendly.
Here a summary of some of the issues the rest you have to look up for your own so you see what is the issue.
If this is not already enough that there are some flaws that could be easily addresed i don't know what in addition is needed to open some peoples eyes.
It is not about we (me and my fleeties) want those ships right away no we want to grind for them.
And no we don't want them for absolutly free either. Still as long as those ships are one toon throw away ships and not unlocks they should not cost more then 1$ to 5$ at all.
That is customer feedback simple stated as it is.
No rage no flamme no insults.
The Z-Store is a MVAM and the Fleet version is a Fleet Advanced Escort two diffrent ships so no discount.
Bortas and Oddy are the Free versions that we got handed out at christmas they are inferior to the Z-Store variants so here also no discount (actualy would be bad to downgrade anyway).
Nothing to disagree with you from my side.
The Advanced Escort is a freebe or dilithium ship from the ship vendor not a Store ship the MVAM is a pure Store ship.
And that is the point where all the discount unlocks do bite them self they just don't apply.
I don't wan't to say it was intentional.
rather i think it was a oversight as for the STF lockout of the Armitage on release day.
Still the DEV's have one more Day before the first potential Fleets unlock the T1 Shipyard and change it.
Again... There are Z-Store versions of Bortas and Odyssey (I never thought about the freebies here). I simply can't understand it. Klingons are in even worse situation than the Feds. Only Vor'cha for me then. Maybe one of the carriers too but I'm not sure about that.
But as far as I can tell at this time there is no Fleet Advanced Escort in the game yet.