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  • alexhurlbutalexhurlbut Member Posts: 292 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Don't forget that the Fleet Ship Modules are tradable so you may be able to find one on the exchange. And as always, you can sell Dilithium on the Dilithium Exchange for ZEN.

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    No offense, but you are tossing gas on fire. At very least I believe the Devs didn't think this through. Lets look at this way; have the fleet ships cost 2 FSM, this is the half cost of purchasing a Z-Store T5 ship which I might add is an ACCOUNT WIDE unlock. If the player already have a Z-STORE unlock version of a Fleet Ship, you shave off 1 from the FSM.

    So you still end up with the same "discount" for players who already have Z-Store versions. But you end up with a *full* "Z-Store" price tag (character-bound) for FSM that IS cheaper than the Z-Store Ship(Account Bound).

    Seriously, you need to clarify whenever the Fleet ships are a "Grind or Purchase" option OR a "GRIND AND PURCHASE" option only. It isn't very convenient for that last part.
  • milner62milner62 Member Posts: 129 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    I just recently heard from someone that you can take your ships and upgrade them tier wise by getting some kind of upgrade through your starbase. Is this true or just a rumor?

    Im curious cause after seeing the list of fleet starships none of them are the ones I want fleet versions of. My Galaxy class does real good and I wont waste money on that upgrade but I had high hopes that I could get a NX fleet ship or the Constitution Refit. Just like something that gives me higher rank consoles. Dont need a thicker stronger hull. Just ability to use more abilities from my officers on the lower tier ships I have. Even include the Galaxy I currently have.
  • splitboysplitboy Member Posts: 152 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    zodiemish wrote: »
    I don't even see a Fleet advanced escort on the star ship list for fleet ships. ( I will keep looking ) but if what you said is true. then I am sticking to my multi vectored. There is no way I am going to pay another 20 dollars for that ship to get a little bit more out of it and a new skin.

    But as far as I can tell at this time there is no Fleet Advanced Escort in the game yet.

    I did look again at the holodeck ship vendor and indeed the Fleet Advanced Escort is not part of it anymore.

    As a sidenote on tribble the ship was broken it had two diffrent BOff and consol layouts plus base stats.

    One the hover tooltip was equal to the Advanced Escort the other the vendor stats where broken and did show only null values and a Ensing ship layout.

    So several potential scenarios either it has to be fixed and returns as a Adv. Escort.
    It gets changed to a Fleet MVAM that makes no sense because without the consol it is not a MVAM after all.
    maybe it got pulled alltogether because FED have already that many Fleet Escorts.

    As it stands as the discount unlocks work now the Fleet Advanced would not benefit from a MVAM purchase unless it would be exactly specified to be that way after all both ships are in terms of Devs two seperate one because of the BOff layout.
  • zodiemishzodiemish Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    splitboy wrote: »


    As it stands as the discount unlocks work now the Fleet Advanced would not benefit from a MVAM purchase unless it would be exactly specified to be that way after all both ships are in terms of Devs two seperate one because of the BOff layout.

    Well it shouldn't be hard for the devs to go in and fix the discount, and honestly they should do that. asking the MVAM captains to pay twice is insanity. They need to go back and fix it, and lets hope they pulled the ship so they can fix it. ( but honestly I don't see why they would need to pull it. it is still a few months away before anyone can get one it seems. )

    This seems to keep on getting worse and worse. this move in my opinion is biggest waste of money in the game. Your going to drop 20 dollars for a single ship unlock that is only a little bit better then the free version. I am sorry but the fleet system is only worth it if you have one of the C-store ships that can get upgrades, Minus the MVAM Escort now, or if you buy one of the non Fleet versions of the older ships.


    I also still haven't gotten an answer if something happens and you decommission a ship. if you HAVE to buy the upgrade mods again or not. I can understand grinding, but if you have to buy it again then your not even unlocking the ship for on character, and that makes this an even lesser value.



    Edit: Also when did they remove the old ship skins from the C-Store. they are missing.
  • lostmoonylostmoony Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    question why feds get a upgradet version from armitage as fleet version and klingons not get a option to upgrade the kar fi carrier so i see for me absolutly no interesting ship on klingon side all is TRIBBLE.

    so for what i have to lvl my starbase?
  • burstdragon323burstdragon323 Member Posts: 853 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Lack of dev response to this flame thread shows they dont care at all about the game. Will grind for the FLeet Credit, but probably will flush EDC on fleet modules since the devs dont care one bit about their playerbase.
  • zodiemishzodiemish Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    lostmoony wrote: »
    question why feds get a upgradet version from armitage as fleet version and klingons not get a option to upgrade the kar fi carrier so i see for me absolutly no interesting ship on klingon side all is TRIBBLE.

    so for what i have to lvl my starbase?

    Cryptic's answer is this... KarFi Carrier along with the Guramba, B'rel ( if I remember right ) and the excelsior, is that those ships do not have consoles, and because they do not have consoles they want to keep them in the C-store. In their mind if they added them to the Fleet store they would lose money because people would just get the fleet version....

    at least that was the answer in the interviews. that was also a time when the fleet ships were going to cost a LOT less then the C-store ships...

    so honestly. there is no reasons what so ever anymore that there is not a fleet version of those ships.
  • lostmoonylostmoony Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    but its not logical the karfi and the armitage same ships in cstore only one for fed and one for klingons, but feds get a fleet version of them kdf not.?:confused:
  • blitzy4blitzy4 Member Posts: 839 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    It's the same with the Atrox carrier too. I think those particular ships should get a slot upgrade like the lockbox ships, to make things fair.
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  • lostmoonylostmoony Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    the mainpoint is atrox was realeased unfairly all the time cryptic say carriers will be a unique item for kdf and feds will never get this class and now....

    so remove any cstore ship from starbase shop or put all of them in or endless flame will never end or compensate the mistake with upgradet version like jemhadar , galor,....
  • blitzy4blitzy4 Member Posts: 839 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    lostmoony wrote: »
    the mainpoint is atrox was realeased unfairly all the time cryptic say carriers will be a unique item for kdf and feds will never get this class and now....

    so remove any cstore ship from starbase shop or put all of them in or endless flame will never end or compensate the mistake with upgradet version like jemhadar , galor,....

    All the lockbox ships (Jem Hadar, Galor, and D'kora) WERE all upgraded with the extra slot. I mentioned that is the post above yours
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  • zodiemishzodiemish Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    lostmoony wrote: »
    but its not logical the karfi and the armitage same ships in cstore only one for fed and one for klingons, but feds get a fleet version of them kdf not.?:confused:

    Once again we need to look at cryptic logic ( at least what they were saying before )

    In one of the interviews ( At the 30 minute mark ) it was stated that ships without consoles would not get a fleet upgrade, and that was because they did not want to tank their C-store business model. ( that was their words too. )

    So by their logic. the Armitage and the Karfi are different ships. You have a built in power that can't be traded to the fleet version, and I have a photon torpedo turret that I can take to the new Armitage. so if I want get the armitage and have that turret I would have to buy both the C-store version and the Fleet version. Where your ship would be the same, but better then the C-store version and you could be getting it for less then the C-store version.

    Now... here is where their logic breaks down. I agree with you. they are not logical about this. but it breaks down because the prices of the Fleet ships are not considerably lower then the C-store ships. they are the same price as most of the T5 C-store ships.

    I can understand if the Fleet ships were say 10 dollars, or something like that, but at the current price point their logic fails. they COULD have the Kar'Fi in the Fleet store and still make money. If they are worried about the cost being 5 dollars lower then the Kar'fi. then adjust it so you have to get 5 upgrade modules instead of 4. But on the other hand the heavy escort carrier is only 4 modules, and the armitage cost 25 dollars. So it once again comes down to the consoles that come with the ship. I have a console, and you have a power.


    of course the easy answer ( out side of dropping the prices or buffing the non console ships. ) is to make the phase shift generator a console, but lock it to the Kar'fi. Just like the photon turrets can only be used on heavy escort carriers.


    But I feel your pain. soon my excelsior will be left in the dust behind all these fleet ships.
  • cse7encse7en Member Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    zodiemish wrote: »
    of course the easy answer ( out side of dropping the prices or buffing the non console ships. ) is to make the phase shift generator a console, but lock it to the Kar'fi. Just like the photon turrets can only be used on heavy escort carriers.

    FYI, the Phase shift generator IS a console that only works on the KarFi, its sitting right here in my science console slot.

    This whole S6 roll out is unacceptable, Cryptic and PW are blatantly TRIBBLE us. They don't care about their customer base and it ****ing shows.
  • zodiemishzodiemish Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    cse7en wrote: »
    FYI, the Phase shift generator IS a console that only works on the KarFi, its sitting right here in my science console slot.

    This whole S6 roll out is unacceptable, Cryptic and PW are blatantly TRIBBLE us. They don't care about their customer base and it ****ing shows.

    Hmm.. So they changed that... well in that case that is more break down of crpytic's logic it seems. There is no reason why the Kar'Fi doesn't have a fleet version at this point.


    Also I agree with you. this the single most amount of money you could waste on this game. your paying the same price that would normally get you a ship unlock on ALL characters, but instead your getting it as a single unlock. ( and I am still not sure if it just a single unlock and if you decommission it then you have to pay 20 dollars again. )

    For the money that your paying. this is not worth the value with the exception of MAYBE a few of the T5 C-store ships. Maybe.
  • milner62milner62 Member Posts: 129 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    zodiemish wrote: »
    Cryptic's answer is this... KarFi Carrier along with the Guramba, B'rel ( if I remember right ) and the excelsior, is that those ships do not have consoles, and because they do not have consoles they want to keep them in the C-store. In their mind if they added them to the Fleet store they would lose money because people would just get the fleet version....

    at least that was the answer in the interviews. that was also a time when the fleet ships were going to cost a LOT less then the C-store ships...

    so honestly. there is no reasons what so ever anymore that there is not a fleet version of those ships.

    The Excelsior does have a console. I have it on mine its the transwarp drive console where I can transwarp anywheres without costing me "money".
  • sovereignmansovereignman Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    And the built in transwarp thing isn't for combat. Unless if they're equating the Exc with the freighter.

    Kar'fi's only innate ability is... hangars and its special ability which barely anyone uses is a console. Which is the same as another ship but is in the fleet store.

    Oh well though. None of the ships look particularly tasty unless if you wanted one for novelty reasons. Probably get one by the time S7 rolls around and a new ship is actually needed rather than just nice to have.

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  • lostmoonylostmoony Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    can anyone from cryptic team gives a answer on that why karfi+excelsior both have from the first day consoles dont get a fleet version and other ships like armitage get?
  • zodiemishzodiemish Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    milner62 wrote: »
    The Excelsior does have a console. I have it on mine its the transwarp drive console where I can transwarp anywheres without costing me "money".

    Hmm that is strange. Mine doesn't have the console but still have the ability to transwarp anywhere too without costing me money. I know the lower level one has a console, but I am not so sure about the T5 version of it.

    lol I am going to have to go test this to double check. it has been so long since I really paid attention to my C-store ships. at least my old ones.
  • milner62milner62 Member Posts: 129 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    And the built in transwarp thing isn't for combat. Unless if they're equating the Exc with the freighter.

    Kar'fi's only innate ability is... hangars and its special ability which barely anyone uses is a console. Which is the same as another ship but is in the fleet store.

    Oh well though. None of the ships look particularly tasty unless if you wanted one for novelty reasons. Probably get one by the time S7 rolls around and a new ship is actually needed rather than just nice to have.

    But the poster was saying that the Excelsior didnt have a unique console from the C-store thats why they didnt offer it as a fleet ship. I am saying that it does have a unique console by having the Transwarp console that can only be had by buying the C-store Excelsior.
  • zodiemishzodiemish Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    milner62 wrote: »
    But the poster was saying that the Excelsior didnt have a unique console from the C-store thats why they didnt offer it as a fleet ship. I am saying that it does have a unique console by having the Transwarp console that can only be had by buying the C-store Excelsior.

    We are both correct.

    The Advanced Heavy Cruiser has the console... Where my Advanced heavy cruiser retrofit does not have the console but still has the Advanced Transwarp powers.

    That being said. to get the fleet discount the ships for the discount had to have had a console and be T5 it seems. At least that was until they decided they were going to charge 20 dollars for the fleet ships. Now honestly there is no reason not to have it as a fleet ship.
  • qjuniorqjunior Member Posts: 2,023 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    The T3 Excelsior has the Transwarp console, the T5 has more locations to transwarp to.

    The Armitage doesn't have a built-in power. It has a console. Hangars are not built-in powers, otherwise the Fleet Vo'quv makes no sense.
  • sovereignmansovereignman Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    milner62 wrote: »
    But the poster was saying that the Excelsior didnt have a unique console from the C-store thats why they didnt offer it as a fleet ship. I am saying that it does have a unique console by having the Transwarp console that can only be had by buying the C-store Excelsior.

    What that guy said, the t3 version has a console and transwarp, the t5 one, no console, but still trans.

    So why a non-combat ability locks you out of having a fleet version makes about as much sense as the Kar'fi not being in it. Aka all signs point to none :D

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  • ravinravin Member Posts: 509 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    splitboy wrote: »

    1. Almost no ship at all qualifys for a 5$ discount no matter if you have a none Fleet version or not. It will be almost always 20$ on a per toon basis.
    2. All Fleet Ships are toon specific not account unlocks charging 20$ is indeed alot more then 20$, 25$ or 40$ for all your toons of the same faction. (should you have more then one toon ofcourse)
    3. All free rank up token or veteran token ships also do not qualify for a discount.
    4. KDF have not a single ship that does qualify for a discount so it is always 20$ for a singel ship.
    5. It was said on a podcast that Fleet ships will cost a small Store fee because of the fact you get a Store ship with better stats but without the consol. Infact as soon as you want a second ship you pay more then a T5 Store ship costs.
    1. Again $5 cheaper than if they actually made Z-Store T5 versions of the lower tiered ships.
    2. Unless you're some ship geek that has to have every ship on every toon, I don't see this as a problem. Now you have to pick the ship you want, and base your strategy around that choice. Seems to add to the immersion a bit.
    3. Well, obviously not, of course you would have to buy account unlock version from the Z-Store to qualify for the discount.
    4. Again, where the Feds will have to pay $30 to get these fleet versions, that qualify, at a discount, the KDF only have to pay $20 to get T5 versions of their ships. Still not seeing the problem here.
    5. Mr. Rivera always says a disclaimer before he says anything. No promises were made and what he said was pure speculation. All things are always subject to change, without notice.
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  • grnlbrtnfrntgrnlbrtnfrnt Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    LOL....

    So people finally caught on that bases are just a big Zen store you have to grind to build and then get milked for every dime they can.
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  • zodiemishzodiemish Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    ravin wrote: »
    1. Again $5 cheaper than if they actually made Z-Store T5 versions of the lower tiered ships.

    Your right. it would be 5 dollars cheaper, but on the other hand. it is a SINGLE CHARACTER unlock. now the current T5 ships range from 20 dollars to 25 dollars for account wide unlocks. How are you getting the same value. even if your saving 5 dollars to have SINGLE character unlock?
    ravin wrote: »
    1. Unless you're some ship geek that has to have every ship on every toon, I don't see this as a problem. Now you have to pick the ship you want, and base your strategy around that choice. Seems to add to the immersion a bit.
    Why punish the ship geeks? some people like to collect ships. some people done. sure I agree on one level. a captain should have one ship, but that is my play style. if they want to have more then one ship then let them. that is their choice and they should not be punished for it.

    Also while immersion is good, it should not be forced on people.

    ravin wrote: »
    1. Again, where the Feds will have to pay $30 to get these fleet versions, that qualify, at a discount, the KDF only have to pay $20 to get T5 versions of their ships. Still not seeing the problem here.

    I would like to point out again the SINGLE CHARACTER UNLOCK. It is crazy. I am sorry. there is no way anyone can paint that as a deal when your paying as much as an account wide unlock. sure the klingons only have to pay 20 dollars, but they are paying the same price for one character that you would normally pay for the entire account.
    ravin wrote: »
    1. Mr. Rivera always says a disclaimer before he says anything. No promises were made and what he said was pure speculation. All things are always subject to change, without notice.

    Also I don't remember him giving a disclaimer in his priority one interview. I have listened to it a few times, and I haven't heard him say that. If you know where in his interview he says it please link it.

    Also another. even if he does give a disclaimer. when he is doing an interview. it is representing cryptic, and PWE. If he gives out expectations. then he should be careful what he says because when you set expectations for a customer. ( even if you can keep them or not. ) you will upset the customer if you fail those expectations. Simple as that. That is a basic of a Quality Customer Experience. You don't set expectations that you can't keep, and not expect the customers to be upset when you didn't keep it.
  • lostmoonylostmoony Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    what excelsior have or not finaly i dont know ... i dont own them

    but karfi 1600cpoints have transphasic console, 2 hangars no fleet version!!!
    armitage 2000cpoints have torpedo console, 1 hangar +fleet version for not known reason!!
  • linyivelinyive Member Posts: 1,086 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Are you ready for this one?
    Okay, I joined a great fleet. Topnotch in my book. I bought tons of zen points, bought four modules, and gathered enough fleet credits. Since my fleet has not hit the first tier, I cannot purchase my ship of choice.

    Hahaha...

    Even though I meet all of the other requirements, also injected the system with more zen, I still cannot access the product of my desire.

    I don't know if I want to laugh or cry.

    I am one button push away from obtaining the ship, and I cannot because the content is gated.

    Hahaha...

    Did I also mention that the exchange is running out of resources; thus, the ability to keep progressing steadily upwards is beginning to slow?

    *begins to cry*
  • sovereignmansovereignman Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Ohh, the tears of unfathomable sadness. Mmm Yummy.

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  • zodiemishzodiemish Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    linyive wrote: »
    Are you ready for this one?
    Okay, I joined a great fleet. Topnotch in my book. I bought tons of zen points, bought four modules, and gathered enough fleet credits. Since my fleet has not hit the first tier, I cannot purchase my ship of choice.

    Hahaha...

    Even though I meet all of the other requirements, also injected the system with more zen, I still cannot access the product of my desire.

    I don't know if I want to laugh or cry.

    I am one button push away from obtaining the ship, and I cannot because the content is gated.

    Hahaha...

    Did I also mention that the exchange is running out of resources; thus, the ability to keep progressing steadily upwards is beginning to slow?

    *begins to cry*

    Well. no offense but you should have checked with your fleet first, and did a little research before blowing your money on zen.

    Ohh, the tears of unfathomable sadness. Mmm Yummy.

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  • burstdragon323burstdragon323 Member Posts: 853 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    The lack of a Dev response to these complaints says all IMO.
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