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  • theodrimtheodrim Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Common sense...

    Let me tell you something about common sense, and enlightened self-interest while I'm at it. I'll make this real simple for you, just to make sure folks at home can follow along. Consider this an act of charity, since I really have nothing whatsoever to gain from it.

    Common sense tells us that while someone really ought to learn the STF before they try it on elite, the poor sap about which you're talking did it anyway. And you're stuck with the consequences. That, by the way, is a part of the "tragedy of the commons" -- feel free to look it up, but it's irrelevant to this post or the topic at hand so I won't discuss it here.

    Common sense also tells us it takes maybe a minute -- if someone is slow on the uptake -- to explain what goes on in a given STF and how to beat it.

    Common sense also tells us that instead of spending that minute instructing this poor sap in what to do, you probably spent...what? 15-20 minutes minimum? waiting for this little problem to "sort itself out".

    That's 15-20 minutes of your time, not his. Against the one it spends explaining the damn instance. Facially, right there, you've already cost yourself 14-19 minutes or your time, each time you've ran into this poor sap. How many other ESTF's could you have run in that time? One, two with a really good group?

    Let's go with "one", since that's conservative. You did this, what, twice now? You cost yourself 2,000 dilithium, 200 marks, and 100-200K EC's because you didn't feel like taking a minute of your time to explain an ESTF to a random player. Moreover, since you didn't take that time you've put yourself up for further grief and lost time, dilithium, marks, and EC's if you run into this poor sap again in an ESTF...and everyone else who has to deal with it, but TRIBBLE them since we're discussing you and your enlightened self-interest.

    That's called "opportunity cost", you just frakked yourself pretty hardcore with it, and that's on your head. I can only urge you to read up on the subject more along with enlightened self-interest, at your earliest available opportunity.
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  • rezkingrezking Member Posts: 1,109 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    kusapark wrote: »
    I keep skimming through this just incase it describes me glad I'm not on here yet!

    Player of Kusa and Kusa Prime.

    I hope you aren't the one that was on earlier in a big, fat Fed cruiser complaining about why my coke-can Torp B'rel kept blowing up "easy" all the while he was pew-pew-pewing the SAME nanite gen in the time I was able to destroy 2.

    ...would THAT be you, sonny?
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  • marshalericdavidmarshalericdavid Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    theodrim wrote: »
    Let me tell you something about common sense, and enlightened self-interest while I'm at it. I'll make this real simple for you, just to make sure folks at home can follow along. Consider this an act of charity, since I really have nothing whatsoever to gain from it.

    Common sense tells us that while someone really ought to learn the STF before they try it on elite, the poor sap about which you're talking did it anyway. And you're stuck with the consequences. That, by the way, is a part of the "tragedy of the commons" -- feel free to look it up, but it's irrelevant to this post or the topic at hand so I won't discuss it here.

    Common sense also tells us it takes maybe a minute -- if someone is slow on the uptake -- to explain what goes on in a given STF and how to beat it.

    Common sense also tells us that instead of spending that minute instructing this poor sap in what to do, you spent...what? 15-20 minutes minimum? waiting for this little problem to "sort itself out".

    That's 15-20 minutes of your time, not his. Against the one it spends explaining the damn instance. Facially, right there, you've already cost yourself 14-19 minutes or your time. How many other ESTF's could you have run in that time? One, two with a really good group?

    Let's go with "one", since that's conservative. You did this, what, twice now? You cost yourself 2,000 dilithium, 200 marks, and 100-200K EC's because you didn't feel like taking a minute of your time to explain an ESTF to a random player. Moreover, since you didn't take that time you've put yourself up for further grief and lost time, dilithium, marks, and EC's if you run into this poor sap again in an ESTF...and everyone else who has to deal with it, themselves.

    That's called "opportunity cost", you just frakked yourself pretty hardcore with it, and that's on your head. I can only urge you to read up on the subject more along with enlightened self-interest, at your earliest available opportunity.

    The games cost me nothing they had still been completed maybe a few mins longer it is impossible to say. I am not a teacher and will not teach a idiot who has no common sense to follow the team and no common sense to stay out of elite missions they don't know about. I don't even know if he would of understood any advice I could of given him and I would hate to of given advice that does no good. I play missions a lot and wont teach people every time someone enters one without knowing what to do.

    I have been in games before with people who said I am new to this mission and I will follow everyone. That right their is what someone should do at the very least FOLLOW THE TEAM.
  • theodrimtheodrim Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    The games cost me nothing...

    That's complete bullcrap. STF's earn dilithium, which is refined and trade-able for zen. Zen, of course, being RMT currency.

    When STF's run longer than they rightfully should, especially inordinately longer, you're earning less dilithium per hour. Less dilithium per hour means less zen per hour, which means less dollars (well, cents) per hour. Time is money, literally in this game. When STF's run longer because you've chosen to not take on a leadership role and communicate, you've cost yourself. Doing that is against your self-interest: you're stuck with these people anyway, and it behooves you and the pursuit of your own self-interest to act in a manner that disadvantages you the least.

    One minute to explain an STF, versus the 15-odd minutes you could be using to run another ESTF and thereby earn more dilithium. Your choice. Don't complain so long as you're not doing what is available within your own power to pursue your self-interest to its fullest extent.
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  • marshalericdavidmarshalericdavid Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    theodrim wrote: »
    That's complete bullcrap. STF's earn dilithium, which is refined and trade-able for zen. Zen, of course, being RMT currency.

    When STF's run longer than they rightfully should, especially inordinately longer, you're earning less dilithium per hour. Less dilithium per hour means less zen per hour, which means less dollars (well, cents) per hour. Time is money, literally in this game. When STF's run longer because you've chosen to not take on a leadership role and communicate, you've cost yourself. Doing that is against your self-interest: you're stuck with these people anyway, and it behooves you and the pursuit of your own self-interest to act in a manner that disadvantages you the least.

    One minute to explain an STF, versus the 15-odd minutes you could be using to run another ESTF and thereby earn more dilithium. Your choice. Don't complain so long as you're not doing what is available within your own power to pursue your self-interest to its fullest extent.

    The mission was still completed barely failing the optional. I was not going to sit their teaching common sense to someone wile the rest of my teammates are fighting the Borg.
  • jake81499jake81499 Member Posts: 249 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    theodrim wrote: »
    When STF's run longer because you've chosen to not take on a leadership role and communicate

    And

    One minute to explain an STF.

    ROFLMAO

    Somebody is in dreamland.

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  • dapperdrakedapperdrake Member Posts: 254 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    With my klingon toon on a Kar'fi Mk XII KHG

    Cure Space Elite.

    I said Qa'pla

    Everyone said: Hi, heyo.

    One said MRRML.

    Everyone answered: "k"

    One said: I take left.

    Another one said: I protect the kang.

    We went to the middle cube. Kill all nanites.

    We went to the right. Kill all nanite. 2 killed the cube Last one helpt to protect the Kang

    We went to the middle cube. 2 killed the cube. Last one give hand to the left.

    All killed nanites and cube on the left.

    We were happy. And we lost opts. Why? Because we forgot to hail Kang :D

    But it wasn't important. We manged this eSTF really well and we were good team.
  • ferdzso0ferdzso0 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    last time I tried to teach someone he said I am stupid, and dunno what I am talking about. I guess he was right, I am probably clueless on how these stfs work, and I do not want to teach anyone, as I dont want my ignorance to spread :(

    10k DPS Vesta threads: 1; 2
  • jake81499jake81499 Member Posts: 249 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    ferdzso0 wrote: »
    last time I tried to teach someone he said I am stupid, and dunno what I am talking about. I guess he was right, I am probably clueless on how these stfs work, and I do not want to teach anyone, as I dont want my ignorance to spread :(

    LOL

    That's why all I usually say is HI. Many of the noobes get up to their second STF and they are a pro. They make VA in a week and they know the game inside and out. :P
  • kusaparkkusapark Member Posts: 23 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    rezking wrote: »
    I hope you aren't the one that was on earlier in a big, fat Fed cruiser complaining about why my coke-can Torp B'rel kept blowing up "easy" all the while he was pew-pew-pewing the SAME nanite gen in the time I was able to destroy 2.

    ...would THAT be you, sonny?

    Nope, I don't really say anything in stf's outside of R when ready, Go if no one else has and the generators are good to go for ISE or GG or surprise when certain things happen. Like no one aggros the TAC cube at the end of ISE.

    Horrible experiences in other STF's pugging, I just stick with ISE.

    Edit: And do other STF's with Fleet {UFP} ground or space.
  • theodrimtheodrim Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    The mission was still completed barely failing the optional. I was not going to sit their teaching common sense to someone wile the rest of my teammates are fighting the Borg.

    Hey, if you want to willfully act against your own self-interest in the name of complaining about a lack of "common sense", and unwillingness to learn to be a better player, I'm not going to waste my time trying to stop you.
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  • xdotsxxdotsx Member Posts: 60 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Join Hive Onslaught Elite - have 3 Tac Cubes in your face at spawn, right after joining.

    Play or get penalty, meaning try again tomorrow. Awesome.
  • marshalericdavidmarshalericdavid Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    theodrim wrote: »
    Hey, if you want to willfully act against your own self-interest in the name of complaining about a lack of "common sense", and unwillingness to learn to be a better player, I'm not going to waste my time trying to stop you.

    Like I have been saying I am not a teacher and I won't teach common sense. If someone has no common sense to follow the group I predict a painful process for me to try to teach it to them. I wont go through that process in the middle of a game and leave the rest of the team fighting the Borg.

    All I hope is that the person learns from their frustration and stops entering elite missions they have no clue about. Usually such people don't enter the same mission again until they have some clue of what to do so that lesson has been working real good in the past until that one time.

    Their has been times in some mission people do stupid stuff like destroy a Cube early in The Cure Found (Elite) after people have told them don't destroy it yet. I see a lot of other people ignore what people say in missions. In Khitomer in Stasis mission their is a trick to lure Borg to the starting room allowing you to kill them before the optional counter starts and someone says wait I will lure the Borg to us and guess what happens 90% of the time? Someone ignores what is said and runs to the Borg starting the countdown.

    Their are a lot of reason I don't try to teach people in elite missions.
  • kalavierkalavier Member Posts: 132 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I have to laugh at ******** about somebody when it sounds like something as simply as "Hey, stick with us." would have probably solved it.

    Destroying a cube early, accidents happen. Hell one time my birds of prey killed one when I was playing a carrier. Fun match seeing as 2-3 people started throwing a complete and utter fit about it while we ended the mission with the Kang taking zero damage and the optional easily gained.

    Those 'tricks', well again, sometimes it's accidental, other times who knows.
  • marshalericdavidmarshalericdavid Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    kalavier wrote: »
    I have to laugh at ******** about somebody when it sounds like something as simply as "Hey, stick with us." would have probably solved it.

    If I know that is all it takes I would say it but considering how stupid someone is not to know it in the first place I don't think that would be enough.
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  • majesticmsfcmajesticmsfc Member Posts: 1,401 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    My worse was last week, we started with only four players in a Elite Infected Conduct, my son and I, a Engineer in a Kumari and another Federation player I can't remember what he was flying.

    Well the guy in the Kumari had absolutely no idea what he was doing after I explained to him about the 10% generator method. He still blew them early, which I wasn't worried about. I told him next time to try the generator rule and how it makes the mission a lot easier. He then had the nerve to have a go at me for the ship I was flying. A few minutes later he was off in nowhere land taking on a sphere. Realising this was going nowhere the rest of us bailed on the guy. Something I have never done before, even in bad situations I stick with the team and thank them for the game.

    He was added to my ignore list, I hope he learns how to do the easiest Elite STF very soon for all the other players he ends up in a team with.
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  • marshalericdavidmarshalericdavid Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Just finished Infected: The Conduit (Elite) and someone attacked the right side wile the rest of team was fighting on the left side and it ruined the optional.

    I am starting to think people are doing stupid stuff to annoy people more then actually being stupid.
  • uriyaaluriyaal Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013

    Technicolor beams aren't appreciated...)


    And or Rainbow lazors.

    Pick one seriously. I haven't heard anything good about someone who cant make up there mind on a weapon type. it doesnt matter what you want to use just pick 1 type and use it.


    It also greatly reduces your damage out put to use a bunch of different types of weapons.


    With that Said I can honestly say I'm not worried about going into an STF and getting the bonus. What does bug me is people who sit in the middle and kill random pointless entity's instead of doing the objectives.

    The objectives are right there on your freaking screen, Im in an STF to run it as fast and comfortably as possible not to sit there and explain every little thing to you, Thats what Google and the millions of YouTube/other walkthroughs/guides are for.

    If you couldn't be bothered to learn a little something about your game in this case, STO or what ever your current Mmo. You deserve every bad word, every name, every little bit of being picked on your getting.

    Its not a Solo mission when you do an STF or Dungeon or something in a team.
    its a TEAM effort and your lazy/stupid/ignorant butt sitting there using up time that some of us just don't have to waste, really gets on our nerves.

    "I'm new to this" is a lazy and very poor excuse, Theres more then enough places to learn what you needed rather then just drop in and waste every body's time.

    Also another big Gripe of mine, If you don't know what your doing Please for the love of god stop using Torpedo spreads, Fire at will and the like and hitting tons of enemy's in an STF when you should just be single targeting.

    Your pulling every thing and were gonna end up leaving and not get any marks.
  • majesticmsfcmajesticmsfc Member Posts: 1,401 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Just finished Infected: The Conduit (Elite) and someone attacked the right side wile the rest of team was fighting on the left side and it ruined the optional.

    I am starting to think people are doing stupid stuff to annoy people more then actually being stupid.

    I had that a few days ago as well. Except two people did that while the rest of us were doing the standard way of going left and using the 10% generator method.

    It can be annoying, I often think there should be some pop-up that is required to be read before starting a ESTF where it outlines the go left and 10% generator method before starting. Most people just dive in and don't have a clue that doing an Elite is not always the same as a Normal difficulty STF.
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  • nveknvek Member Posts: 80 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Played a CSE The other Day and some Imbecile in a Galaxy Dreadnought was in The process of prematurely blowing one of The Cubes! and I said in Chat do not blow The Cube! and His reply was wtf are you talking about? he blew The Cube prematurely The Stf ended in Failure. and he had The Audacity to call us all idiots! I sent him a scathing PM Message and then put him on My ignore list!:mad:
  • dkratascodkratasco Member Posts: 585 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    nvek wrote: »
    Played a CSE The other Day and some Imbecile in a Galaxy Dreadnought was in The process of prematurely blowing one of The Cubes! and I said in Chat do not blow The Cube! and His reply was wtf are you talking about? he blew The Cube prematurely The Stf ended in Failure. and he had The Audacity to call us all idiots! I sent him a scathing PM Message and then put him on My ignore list!:mad:

    There is question, what tactic was choose by team at the start RML or RMMRL?
  • jake81499jake81499 Member Posts: 249 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    uriyaal wrote: »
    With that Said I can honestly say I'm not worried about going into an STF and getting the bonus.

    Then I seriously hope to NOT see you in any STF's. :D


    THERE I WAS>>>>

    This is 2 in a row with the exact same problem...

    CSN

    I PUG in and say 'HI' as usual. (Both instances)

    No responce. (Both instances)

    I fly right, nobody follows. (Both instances)

    I look back, all four ships setting at the Kang. (Both instances)

    I kill the probes and cube and both of the first spawned BOPs. (Both instances)

    I fly on to cube 2 and see 2 ships have tetryons, 2 have Rainbow/Technicolor beams. (1st Instance)

    I fly on to cube 2 and see all 4 have Rainbow /Technicolor beams. (2nd Instance)

    Nobody is leaving the Kang to intercept the Borg, they all wait for the Borg to come to them. (Both Instances)

    I kill cube 2 and fly to cube 3.

    I see 2 ships die at the same time and notice they both have a slew of injuries. (Instance 2)

    Optionals fails just as I start on cube 3. (Instance 2)

    I complete cube 3 and fly on to kill what the other 4 couldn't. (Both instances)

    The rest of both instances went on as normal.

    I've had a pretty good couple of weeks until yesterday. It seemed like everyone was out to fail. :eek:
  • notorycznynotoryczny Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Just had a good laugh in ISE.

    One veteran in D'kora.
    One skittles+rainbow looser from known looser fleet in Kumari (wing cannons, polaron cannons, plasma dbb and plasma torps).
    One almost afker, I didnt notice what he was flying.
    One apparently new guy in a Vesta, plasma beams and AP beams.

    Had to rudely direct them to shoot transformer, since they just ran around trying to kill spheres. Situation repeated itself at the second trans, only D'kora guy and me were shooting what had to be shot. At this point one of loosers died at least 3 times. I wasn't even getting annoyed, just entertained. It was clear that we will miss optional - 3 guys were doing almost no damage, D'kora vet was getting all the aggro and was killed at least twice.
    Tac cube showed up, spheres were scattered all over, 2 guys were shooting the gate.
    I typed in team chat something like "X, stop dragging them and let them play with tac cube, it should be entertaining". Vesta guy responded with "SOB!" while being one-shotted.
    They eventually managed to kill the gate, and I just was flying around, laughing, occasionally killing a stray sphere.
    Couldn't really force myself to do more.
    They were struggling against the tac, getting killed a lot.
    Finally I started to do strafing runs, ordered my fighters to attack etc. Vesta guy was one-shotted again. I typed "keep the cube under AoE, then it won't one-shot anyone". I followed it with PM to vesta guy, "you may want to stick to single color builds, esp. with aux cannons". His response was "I don't know what anything of that means". So I replied with "thats why you get killed a lot".
    I wanted to send him a friend invite and give him a crash course in basics - turned out he added me to ignore list.

    Guess he just turned from newb into noob.
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  • jake81499jake81499 Member Posts: 249 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    deokkent wrote: »
    First of all, seems to me you weren't helping at all. Second, humility is a lost art hehe. I've had people that weren't familiar with build synergy as well and I did such a better job with them by being humble and personal when I approached them. Third, it's not you vs them, you were also part of the team you know?

    Don't you love it when the dreamers post? When you do a few hundred or better yet a few thousand STF's, you'll begin to understand our frustration. :P
  • notorycznynotoryczny Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    deokkent wrote: »
    First of all, seems to me you weren't helping at all. Second, humility is a lost art hehe. I've had people that weren't familiar with build synergy as well and I did such a better job with them by being humble and personal when I approached them. Third, it's not you vs them, you were also part of the team you know?

    I knew it will be a mess when I had to herd them toward shooting the trans - they would probably turn it into Hundred Years War if the D'kora guy or me weren't there. Since STF was completed with optional failed by about 2 minutes, I guess I was helping them after all.

    Second, I wasn't excessively rude, I wasn't speaking in Capslock. That guy added me to ignore list because he didn't understand what I was PMing him about. Well, I guess he has to learn about "build synergy" the hard way, if ever.

    I did close to 1k STFs, overwhelming majority of it pugging, getting optional in decent time in most cases, and I genuinely want to play more of them. This means STFs are still an entertainment for me. You can't blame me if I get additional kicks out of them.
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  • m4tth3wk4n3m4tth3wk4n3 Member Posts: 54 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I have to put up this tale aswell...

    Yesterday; 5-man team enters Infected Space Normal; as usual I say greetings in chat followed with my personal intention in the mission (I usually defend, do probe duty or protect kang).

    Ok so far, so good... ISE requires you to take down 2 sets of generators and finally the 2 transformers...

    So what happened? After I gently said in chat lets go left after the cube (can I be more polite than this???) I noticed 2 or 3 guys were shooting stuff (I dont know what they shot...) on the other (right...) side even though I mentioned left first...

    All of the sudden we were engolfed by spheres, nanite spheres/probes, the transformer we (I will call us the 'vets' by lack of a proper term), the 'vets' were shooting was getting healed back up to 100 percent and all this time the other guys were still shooting the stuff on the other (right) side...

    After I counted maybe 10 units of each type (speheres, N-speheres, N-probes...) I decided to put in a funny remark in chat...: ->

    My chat was: Well, this is rather useless...
    The one other guy that knew what to do said back I have never seen this many spheres and probes before...

    Long story short; (I shouldnt be using this term, but they are what they are: noobs..., dratz I should have said new players because now I will become an elitist stf player...)

    I only have this to say... Whenever you join an stf I expect you to know what to do. I will not explain how the mission goes (you have the bridge officers and their windows for that - you know the "interaction buttons... There you can read up on how the mission goes. If you dont I will still help out, but dont expect much sympathy from me...)

    I had a number of should I say bad stf's? Nah I will say went less than optimal.

    I am actually just glad when its over, more so when you have new players present who dont know the first thing about stf's...

    I am starting to think that it is my build (skill allocation...) or its just me, making bad (tactical) calls to engage targets... Or it could be the other 3 players were in rainbow escorts and cruisers...

    Sorry, I realize my post in in bits and pieces but you get the gist of it...

    Peace
  • theodrimtheodrim Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    jake81499 wrote: »
    Don't you love it when the dreamers post? When you do a few hundred or better yet a few thousand STF's, you'll begin to understand our frustration. :P

    Complains about other people not helping themselves, or knowing what to do in a game.

    Runs "a few hundred or better yet a few thousand STF's" and still doesn't understand "don't PuG".

    Continues to PuG, complains about it. Doesn't do anything to help others, even though it's been explained to him it's in his, unenlightened even, self-interest to do so.

    Still doesn't understand the irony of complaining about players who don't help themselves, while doing nothing to help himself.
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  • hikaru1024hikaru1024 Member Posts: 24 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Hmm. I'm noticing frankly that there is a lot of negativity here with newbies. A lot of people here have apparently run into noobs who won't listen to directions, or worse, trolls that deliberately do exactly what you DON'T want them to do. In reaction it seems some of you are preaching the idea that it's okay to completely deny any information to the newbies as to what they're doing wrong.

    It's not unusual for me to get into an stf and have a noob argue with me that he knows what he's doing while doing the exact thing I told him he should not, so we lose the optional. It's also becoming a fairly regular thing for me to join an instance and see someone deliberately doing things incorrectly just because they know we hate it.

    When the opportunity presents itself however, I try to take a few minutes out of my life to explain to these people what they're doing wrong, and how they can succeed next time. Certainly it doesn't help win an already lost optional - but there is a very good chance that I will wind up having to play with some of them again in the future.

    It's only to my benefit if they know how to do the stf correctly the next time I have to play with them.

    Yes, I do advocate reading about stfs before jumping in the deep end... However these newbies obviously haven't done so. They may not even know where to go for said information. It is NOT okay to simply ignore the situation and blame them just because they don't know what they're supposed to be doing.
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