I said 'HI' in the chat like I usually do and someone responded 'I'll Take The Kang.'
I watch as 4 ships head off to the kang as I fly to the first cube.
I start shooting, take out the first couple BoP's in a couple quick vollies and start shooting the nodes.
I turn around while shooting and see one team member off about 70k and the other three shooting at the incoming ships.
Someone is hollering 'NOOBES NOOBES.'
I see they are having troubles so i fly back and kill a couple of the BoP's. Meanwhile i see Skittles and Rainbows just flyi ng everywhere.
I type, 'Great, Rainbows, Skittles AND a Farmer..'
Someone types, 'If you get over here and help instead of running off to the Cube we might win.' (Or something like that.)
I say 'Whatever' and went back to killing the nodes at the first cube. I killed 2 more BoP's on the way.
I turn around and look again as the Cube goes boom and see that the other three team members that are actually doing something are overwelmed.
So I return and start killing more BoP's.
Someone yells that I was supposed to take the Cubes to 10%. Now you have to remember, THIS IS A NORMAL!
I typed, "ThIS IS A NORMAL"
I flew to the second cube, killed a couple ships on the way. I kill all the nodes and notice that the other three are overwelmed again. So I fly back to the rescue and kill all the ships, we lose the optional just as I get there as the Kang drops below 75%.
I say, 'Don't you guys have heals?'
Nobody answers.
Someone yells, 'If you would have played right we would not have lost the optional!"
I typed, 'If I'd known I was in here with Farmers and Skittle Boats I would have bailed."
So I healed the Kang as good as i could and flew off to the second cube and finished it.
I see on the way that the three team members were now overwelmed by the two Raptors that had spawned from cube 3.
I kill a couple nodes on cube 3 and Boom,,, There goes the Kang.
One guy is yelling 'Next time take the cubes to 10% like you're supposed to.'
I yell, 'THIS IS A NORMAL!'
Someoned else chimes in, 'What's a Skittle Boat?' :eek:
I said 'HI' in the chat like I usually do and someone else responded 'I'll Take The Kang.'
I watch as 4 ships head off to the kang as I fly to the first cube.
I start shooting take out the first couple BoP's in a couple quick vollies and start shooting the nodes.
I turn around while shooting and see one team member off about 70k and the other three shooting at the incoming ships.
Someone is hollering 'NOOBES NOOBES.'
I see they are having troubles so i fly back and kill a couple of the BoP's. Meanwhile i see Skittles and Rainbows just flyi ng everywhere.
I type, 'Great, Rainbows, Skittles AND a Farmer..'
Someone types, 'If you get over here and help instead of running off to the Cube we might win.' (Or something like that.)
I say 'Whatever' and went back to killing the nodes at the first cube. I killed 2 more BoP's on the way.
I turn around and look again as the Cube goes boom and see that the other three team members that are actually doing something are overwelmed.
So I return and start killing more BoP's.
Someone yells that I was supposed to take the Cubes to 10%. Now you have to remember, THIS IS A NORMAL!
I typed, "ThIS IS A NORMAL"
I flew to the second cube, killed a couple ships on the way. I kill all the nodes and notice that the other three are overwelmed again. So I fly back to the rescue and kill all the ships, we lose the optional just as I get there as the Kang drops below 75%. I say, 'Don't you guys have heals?' Nobody answers.
Someone yells, 'If you would have played right we would not have lost the optional!"
I typed, 'If I'd known I was in here with Farmers and Skittle Boats I would have bailed."
So I healed the Kang as good as i could and flew off to the second cube and finished it.
I see on the way that the three team members were now overwelmed by the two Raptors that had spawned from cube 3.
I kill a couple nodes on cube 3 and Boom,,, There goes the Kang.
One guy is yelling 'Next time take the cubes to 10% like you're supposed to.'
I yell, 'THIS IS A NORMAL!'
Someoned else chimes in, 'What's a Skittle Boat?'
I have no words. How can anyone get overwhelmed by the paper-thin hulled BoPs and the weak Raptors on a Normal Cure run? I just don't understand.
I've done many many many normal Cures and it happens a lot more often then you may think.
Unfortunatly, I enjoy subjecting myself to torture so I'll most likely be doing many many many more.
I must have had amazing luck then, because I've done a large number of Cure Normal runs myself and have yet to fail the mission entirely. Fail the optional? Yeah, because someone said they could guard the Kang when in fact they could not. I usually take it upon myself to guard it now, see if anyone helps, then if they seem competent enough at it I'll wander off to help focus on the Cube/Nanite group everyone else is on.
But I'll still be looking in my "rear view mirror" to see if they need help. Thanks to the STFs, my situational awareness has certainly improved significantly!
I must have had amazing luck then, because I've done a large number of Cure Normal runs myself and have yet to fail the mission entirely. Fail the optional? Yeah, because someone said they could guard the Kang when in fact they could not. I usually take it upon myself to guard it now, see if anyone helps, then if they seem competent enough at it I'll wander off to help focus on the Cube/Nanite group everyone else is on.
But I'll still be looking in my "rear view mirror" to see if they need help. Thanks to the STFs, my situational awareness has certainly improved significantly!
Generally speaking, I can protect the Kang in a Normal Cure by myself without any BoP's or Raptors getting even close enough to fire a shot. And I have a ball doing it. But all too often often, someone who doesn't have a clue how to do a Cure says I'm spawn camping or Farming if I do it. This is even with it being obvious that I click PASS on almost everything that drops. So I've pretty much quit doing it.
The second senerio is when Nobody protects the Kang. In these I'll knock out a probe and a couple raptors at the Cube then rush back to protect the Kang. No problem, I can still keep the Borg away without them getting close enough to the Kang to fire a shot.
Often what happens now in a Normal Cure is One player who may or may not know what they are doing will yell, 'I'll Take the Kang.'
So he'll take the kang and all TOO often another ship or two or three or four will follow him to the Kang and set.
Now when someone blurts out 'I'll protect the Kang' I'm always suspicious. So I try to keep a good eye on what's happening while I work on the first Cube.
I'll even fly close enough to the Kang to see what the other ships are using for weapons when i can. If i see a bunch of Rainbows or Skittles then I know we're in trouble and i may have my work cut out for me.
I'll click on the ship also to see what kind of experiance the others have when I can but usually I can see right away. An Oddy with Rainbow Beams equals no experiance.
IF the one, two, three or four ships can REALLY protect the Kang I can usually take out all three Cubes by myself in the alotted time. I just like it a lot more when I have a little help which I usually do have.
One of the ships protecting the Kang will sometimes say something to the others who have followed him about killing the Cubes and I will ALWAYS say something to the other ships at the Kang to help out at the Cubes. Usually these pleas fall on deaf ears.
Usually at the last Cube all those protecting the Kang will move forward closer to the Cube and start helping to kill it.
But unfortunatly this isn't always the case.
I've seen several complete losses because the one, two, three, or four ships at the Kang didn't have the DPS to kill the BoP's.
In fact, One complete loss was within the first three (or there abouts) minutes before the first Cube was even dead!
There was one person protecting the Kang and nobody made it back, includi ng me, in time after the optional dropped to save the game. I saw ships heading that way before i could get away from the Cube but none made it in time. On the way back we all saw the ship protcting the Kang was a Rainbow Beam Boat, hence lies the problem. Plus, the guy protecting the Kang NEVER called for help. Which isn't at all unusual.
But I've heard several people say they've never had a complete loss on a Normal Cure. But don't worry, If you play enough you will see EVERYTHING.
I have had similar Normal Cure runs, where they need four to protect the Kang, and lately I would be the only TAC in the run and yet no one cures the Kang. Or I will tell them I need more then myself to take on the Cubes to beat the time limit.
I was onced called a Noob after destroying a cube and three cruisers with a another escort couldn't protect the Kang. The vocal player was telling me that they were doing the 10percent Cube. I told them it was unnecessary because it is a normal run and the BOPs and Raptors are not as powerful. What amazed me was not only could they take on the Bops and Raptors, the Kang was destroyed. The only thing of good merit I discovered was that I can take on a Cube base by myself, it may take a few more mins, but I can.
Khitomer space NORMAL, Myself and a Fleetmate decided to PUG in, How bad could it be, Everything starts great everybody chats, and we decide who is going where. The Cube in the middle drops like a rock, I'm thinking this is awesome.
My fleetmate takes off to do probes right, the rest of us go left, Everything is going good until the PUG on probes left runs into trouble! The other 2 run to help him and Never come back! And to top it all off they let a probe thru! My fleetmate and I end up taking both sides down by ourselves well these 3 PUGS flew around in circles NEEDING every drop,
I dunno if people (F2P) don't read the forums or what, But in the last week I have run into more Rainbow Beam Boats than ever before, And Cannons to PUG into Infected space Wednesday, counted red green and blue, on an Advance Escort. Every time he hit his Scatter Volley looked like a Pack of Skittles exploded
Pardon my noobness to the terms but when you say rainbow beam boats, what do you mean exactly?
A boat that carries one weapon of every type, or nearly
Phaser, Disrupter, Plasma, Tetryon, Polaron, and Anitproton. Usually doesn't shell out as much DPS as a boat with one type of weapon.
If we are talking Skittle Boats, it's a Rainbow Boat, but replace all Beam weapons with Dual Cannons or Heavy Cannons and Turrets
I'm going to add to that.
Before Season 5 a player had a little more flexability to specialize in a certain weapons type using the skills tree. Season 5 changed that ability to include only Energy Weapons and Torpedos.
Season 5 made multible beam or cannon types a little more viable but still a very poor choice.
Building a Rainbow/Technicolor or Skittles boat can deprives you of the ability to stack weapons consoles depending on your build. (These are also often called Fail Boats.)
Some ships may only have two weapons console slots but stacking two of the same weapons console with all matching weapons will give you a higher DPS rating for one weapons type than if you were using two weapons types with two different consoles.
A ship with four different weapons and four different consoles will have about 2/3 (more or less) the effeciency of a ship with all the same weapons and consoles.
This doesn't mean you can't mix DMG, CrtH, Acc and such as long as they are the same type.
A handfull of people will argue that this isn't at all true and I have seen a couple Rainbows with fair DPS but they are few and far between.
Most players would ask you to think twice and do some research before building a Rainbow and most would ask you to refrain from bringing them into an STF. But it's a free world at least for a few more months, do as you choose.
PS, I recently dropped torpedoes and added another DHC. When I had a torpedo onboard I didn't use a torpedo console in favor of one extra energy weapons console. I got an additional 100 or more DPS in sector space and 500 or more in battle. Just a little something to think about.
The only time it's reasonable to run a rainbow/skittle boat:
You are primarily torps and only slotting torp consoles (because then there are no consoles affecting energy weapons anyway, so go nuts). Note that only slotting torp consoles is a very tricky thing, and don't do this unless you REALLY know what you are doing. (IE: a fixed team, generally, or you are very very good sci boat specializing in shield stripping)
You don't actually have different energy types but the same energy type that happens to look different, like the retro phaser beam array -- it looks blue. So if you have a mix of phasers and retro phasers, you will be shooting blue and gold beams.
(I think there are a small number of weapons like this)
If you are ever slotting directed energy distribution manifold (bonus to all beam arrays regardless of energy) or prefire chamber (same with cannons/turrets), you are doing it wrong.
One of things that really annoy me are those Puggers who only fight the regular spheres in Infected and in KA and ignore the nanite anything. Honestly, I will not fault anyone flying a technicolor dream boat, but generally these are the ones not communicating, not paying attention to what they are doing, and when two of them cannot even kill a nanite generator, I finish the best I can.
This is my 4 day weekend, I had to work OT so it was cut short otherwise I'd have had more time for a few STF's.
But
There I was.....
Things were great for the couple Cure Normals I took time to play before work.
But...
The last one was the usual fiasco.
Two Escorts
Two Rainbows
One Shuttle.
Need I really say more?
The shuttle was the loudmouth this trip with, "I've done dozens of STF's with my Shuttle." or " I can tank a Tac Cube with my Shuttle."
The other Escort got fed up and bailed but I stuck it out.
The two Rainbows were doing their best at the Kang, for whatever good it was.
I was pounding away at the Cubes and watching this itty bitty Shuttle doing whatever he was doing. And the whole time he was yelling, "Is That The Best You Can Do?" at everyone else.
So the Kang drops below 75 and he starts yelling at the Rainbows. Well, I can't blame him there.
But I'm back trying to kill the Cubes and this guy is yelling at me, "Your DPS Is Too Low, We Should Have Been Done By Now."
Well, We finished and the Shuttle guy just kept on how he's putting us on the ignore list and we suck and don't know how to do STF's.
I checked his stats, Rear Admeral Upper Half, Accolade Points setting at 3200. My guess is he probably joined STO last week sometime.
well i had lots of those myself, today for example in space elite stf i see at the beginning 2 dreds and 2 escorts, i was so happy it would go fast... nothing more wrong, dreds turned out to be multicolor beams happy boats... and so escorts, my cruiser was doing more dps than all 4 others combined (i parse stfs)... it took 40 minutes with me soloing both cubes... and most of everything else...
If ship is doing less than 2k dps its not a ship, its a fishing boat...
This is my 4 day weekend, I had to work OT so it was cut short otherwise I'd have had more time for a few STF's.
But
There I was.....
Things were great for the couple Cure Normals I took time to play before work.
But...
The last one was the usual fiasco.
Two Escorts
Two Rainbows
One Shuttle.
Need I really say more?
The shuttle was the loudmouth this trip with, "I've done dozens of STF's with my Shuttle." or " I can tank a Tac Cube with my Shuttle."
The other Escort got fed up and bailed but I stuck it out.
The two Rainbows were doing their best at the Kang, for whatever good it was.
I was pounding away at the Cubes and watching this itty bitty Shuttle doing whatever he was doing. And the whole time he was yelling, "Is That The Best You Can Do?" at everyone else.
So the Kang drops below 75 and he starts yelling at the Rainbows. Well, I can't blame him there.
But I'm back trying to kill the Cubes and this guy is yelling at me, "Your DPS Is Too Low, We Should Have Been Done By Now."
Well, We finished and the Shuttle guy just kept on how he's putting us on the ignore list and we suck and don't know how to do STF's.
I checked his stats, Rear Admeral Upper Half, Accolade Points setting at 3200. My guess is he probably joined STO last week sometime.
Yep, you can guess who got put on ignore.
As soon as he said "I can tank a Tac Cube in a shuttle" I'd have put him on ignore anyway, for being .. well I can't say it here without an infraction.
Oh just about every other one I join now. I'm actually in one of those now. I'm not sure what the timer is at but it's well past 15 mins and only one cube is down. I tabbed out about 8 mins in when all three were still very much alive. /sigh
I had a team member yelling at me yesterday for not blowing up the cubes fast enough in an Elite Cure Space PUG run... we were clearly not having much DPS as I was the only tac escort, rest were slow *** cruisers of bortasqu and odysseys with rainbow light brites.
Me and another team member was like, you don't blow up cubes early or else you risk raptor swarms and taking out Kang... and the guy guarding Kang was a Bortas literally parking his ship on top of the Kang and pecking off BoP slowly with his puny disruptor beams so the Kang was getting pounded quite a lot...
We eventually dropped all probes, and stated having people slowly take down the Cubes, someone blew one of the cubes early. Guy just would not get it and after mission failed with Kang, he blamed the whole thing on us not blowing up cubes faster despite the fail screen said the Kang was destroyed
So I need the optional on Infected Ground normal. I figure PUG it. No need to pull in elite peeps. Well optional is blown on the first room.
Figure lets just go with it. Loose 1 out of the game in the second room. I'm like ok 4 can do fine. MK XII gear can blow through this. We manage to get to the end. They rush into the room, throw turrets, pets everything. Basically Agro the whole room. Clear the whole room. And I walk to the first corner, one follows 2 are running around. I ask for 2 more on the consoles so we can progress. The one on the platform with me is shooting the shielded generator. The Borg re-spawn, and the 2 who were running around quit, leaving me and another. Se we got to a no can do situation. Did not even do a single corner. Thing is if they could have gotten to the consoles we could have cake-walked through Rebecca with my DPS.
Anytime I zone in to an STF that's already FUBAR rather than getting a fresh one makes me wish I could turn my guns on my team mates, but on one occasion, I zoned in just in time to watch the Kang buy the farm. That was that. A couple of 'splosions, an escort pilot hurling abuse at his team, and an hour to wait before I could have another crack at it.
The moral of the story? Cryptic need to stop foistering failed STFs on players queuing up. Nobody should be saddled with somebody else's mess. Ever.:mad:
The only time it's reasonable to run a rainbow/skittle boat:
You are primarily torps and only slotting torp consoles (because then there are no consoles affecting energy weapons anyway, so go nuts). Note that only slotting torp consoles is a very tricky thing, and don't do this unless you REALLY know what you are doing. (IE: a fixed team, generally, or you are very very good sci boat specializing in shield stripping)
(snip of details)
I would add the circumstance that you've just leveled a new character, and are in that transition phase between flying cheap with loot drops while you save your resources, and building out your final captain+boffs+ship configuration. I call it "starship puberty". It's bound to be awkward for a little while, but eventually you'll grow out of it.
You know what's worse than a newbie who doesn't know what he's doing?
A veteran player who throws a fit, then throws the rest of the team to the wolves.
I was doing a ISE run a couple days ago. One of the newbies ignored the 10% rule (even after being instructed on how to do it). Oh well, stuff happens.
And that's when the vet player starts crying about how newbies always TRIBBLE things up.... etc etc... the usual verbal wastage that comes out of their mouths. When trying to explain to the newbie how the scenario messed up and what to do for next time, this vet keeps running his mouth and undermining helpful advice. So finally I just had to tell the guy off, to be quiet.
So in response, the vet player decides to park his starship next to Starbase 82 and not help for the rest of the STF.
You know how aggravating it is to try and take out the end boss Tac Cube at the end with an undermanned and raw team of inexperienced players when one of the decent players decides to throw a fit and sit this one out?
So I say this to anyone that plays. Don't take the ball and stomp off in a bad mood, ruining the game for everyone. A foulup or two doesn't entitle you to act like a brat and leave the team out to hang.
And that's why I have more animosity towards vets who ruin STF's than I do towards newbies who ruin STF's. Newbies can be worked on. They're not newbies forever. People can learn from mistakes and get better. But Troll behavior usually doesn't change.
Got in a pug where -four- captains decided to defend Kang, while leaving the offense to my lone BoP. None of them wrote a word, or answered my lines about getting some assistance. I managed to clear -two- cubes from the drones, and I was on the third when they evidently failed in the defense. I died so many times I ran out of repair stuff, and finished with plenty of injuries.
It was a fun, sisyphean task after all, in PvP I got used to work (and lose) for no reward anyways.
Got in a pug where -four- captains decided to defend Kang, while leaving the offense to my lone BoP. None of them wrote a word, or answered my lines about getting some assistance. I managed to clear -two- cubes from the drones, and I was on the third when they evidently failed in the defense. I died so many times I ran out of repair stuff, and finished with plenty of injuries.
It was a fun, sisyphean task after all, in PvP I got used to work (and lose) for no reward anyways.
Similar thing happened with my Engineer KDF character, except replace the BOP with a Negh'var (underequipped one due to the fact he's financially challenged. My aft Beam arrays are Mk 8 and Common). Three ships are defending the Kang and only me and a Star Cruiser were killing Cubes. Needless to say I died a couple of times The team was 4 cruisers and an Escort.
I completed yet another Normal Cure Space PuG today.
Yes I am a glutton for punishment.
Once again, 4 ships with Technicolor Rainbow Skittle beams and cannons pounding away at the ships coming up on the Kang.
The one escort with the skittles did seem to have the smarts to come help with the probes every now and again.
But when the BoP's or Nag Veys (or whatever they are called) generated off he went following them like a little puppy. Skittles just firing away....
We won with about 15 seconds to spare.
One of the hundreds of things the noobes haven't figured out yet is that you have to hail the Kang. Even with with everthing dead, the timer won't stop until the Kang is hailed.
On a side note, If you want to see exactly how bad the Rainbow Technicolor Skittles epidemic is, go do some Enemy Signal Contacts. :eek:
Playing KASE a few days ago - I accidentally went to the wrong side and started blowing up generators, and got the cube out and was working it down by the time someone told me everyone else was on the other side (we agreed to start left but they went right...um ok)
The guy on probe defense took it on himself to come over and shoot the cube (?? as I was in an Escort and had it under control) and then died I guess...anyway he spent the next 10 minutes raging on how he'd lost his 1 EDC for not dying (I don't even think it works that way) and calling me a council estate something, swearing and calling me every name in the book.
Despite my telling him to stop raging and get back on his task he kept going on with the insults and rage...
You can guess what happened next...His two probes went right on through the gate while he was busy typing hatred...then blamed me!
We lost the whole optional due to him raging on 1 death. Talk about missing the forest for the trees. :rolleyes:
Playing KASE a few days ago - I accidentally went to the wrong side and started blowing up generators, and got the cube out and was working it down by the time someone told me everyone else was on the other side (we agreed to start left but they went right...um ok) :rolleyes:
LOL. That happens. I've been doing fleets and elite channels the last few days and to tell you the truth, they are only a little bit better. PuGs are actually more fun depending on what you're trying to do. I find them to be a good place to blow off steam. LOL
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I said 'HI' in the chat like I usually do and someone responded 'I'll Take The Kang.'
I watch as 4 ships head off to the kang as I fly to the first cube.
I start shooting, take out the first couple BoP's in a couple quick vollies and start shooting the nodes.
I turn around while shooting and see one team member off about 70k and the other three shooting at the incoming ships.
Someone is hollering 'NOOBES NOOBES.'
I see they are having troubles so i fly back and kill a couple of the BoP's. Meanwhile i see Skittles and Rainbows just flyi ng everywhere.
I type, 'Great, Rainbows, Skittles AND a Farmer..'
Someone types, 'If you get over here and help instead of running off to the Cube we might win.' (Or something like that.)
I say 'Whatever' and went back to killing the nodes at the first cube. I killed 2 more BoP's on the way.
I turn around and look again as the Cube goes boom and see that the other three team members that are actually doing something are overwelmed.
So I return and start killing more BoP's.
Someone yells that I was supposed to take the Cubes to 10%. Now you have to remember, THIS IS A NORMAL!
I typed, "ThIS IS A NORMAL"
I flew to the second cube, killed a couple ships on the way. I kill all the nodes and notice that the other three are overwelmed again. So I fly back to the rescue and kill all the ships, we lose the optional just as I get there as the Kang drops below 75%.
I say, 'Don't you guys have heals?'
Nobody answers.
Someone yells, 'If you would have played right we would not have lost the optional!"
I typed, 'If I'd known I was in here with Farmers and Skittle Boats I would have bailed."
So I healed the Kang as good as i could and flew off to the second cube and finished it.
I see on the way that the three team members were now overwelmed by the two Raptors that had spawned from cube 3.
I kill a couple nodes on cube 3 and Boom,,, There goes the Kang.
One guy is yelling 'Next time take the cubes to 10% like you're supposed to.'
I yell, 'THIS IS A NORMAL!'
Someoned else chimes in, 'What's a Skittle Boat?' :eek:
I have no words. How can anyone get overwhelmed by the paper-thin hulled BoPs and the weak Raptors on a Normal Cure run? I just don't understand.
I've done many many many normal Cures and it happens a lot more often then you may think.
Unfortunatly, I enjoy subjecting myself to torture so I'll most likely be doing many many many more.
I must have had amazing luck then, because I've done a large number of Cure Normal runs myself and have yet to fail the mission entirely. Fail the optional? Yeah, because someone said they could guard the Kang when in fact they could not. I usually take it upon myself to guard it now, see if anyone helps, then if they seem competent enough at it I'll wander off to help focus on the Cube/Nanite group everyone else is on.
But I'll still be looking in my "rear view mirror" to see if they need help. Thanks to the STFs, my situational awareness has certainly improved significantly!
first one borg invincible undetectable overpowered romulan plasma torp
second one, when the whole team does not know what there doing and using repulse tractor and pushing a npc infront of me and ending killing me
there more but i can live with it
Generally speaking, I can protect the Kang in a Normal Cure by myself without any BoP's or Raptors getting even close enough to fire a shot. And I have a ball doing it. But all too often often, someone who doesn't have a clue how to do a Cure says I'm spawn camping or Farming if I do it. This is even with it being obvious that I click PASS on almost everything that drops. So I've pretty much quit doing it.
The second senerio is when Nobody protects the Kang. In these I'll knock out a probe and a couple raptors at the Cube then rush back to protect the Kang. No problem, I can still keep the Borg away without them getting close enough to the Kang to fire a shot.
Often what happens now in a Normal Cure is One player who may or may not know what they are doing will yell, 'I'll Take the Kang.'
So he'll take the kang and all TOO often another ship or two or three or four will follow him to the Kang and set.
Now when someone blurts out 'I'll protect the Kang' I'm always suspicious. So I try to keep a good eye on what's happening while I work on the first Cube.
I'll even fly close enough to the Kang to see what the other ships are using for weapons when i can. If i see a bunch of Rainbows or Skittles then I know we're in trouble and i may have my work cut out for me.
I'll click on the ship also to see what kind of experiance the others have when I can but usually I can see right away. An Oddy with Rainbow Beams equals no experiance.
IF the one, two, three or four ships can REALLY protect the Kang I can usually take out all three Cubes by myself in the alotted time. I just like it a lot more when I have a little help which I usually do have.
One of the ships protecting the Kang will sometimes say something to the others who have followed him about killing the Cubes and I will ALWAYS say something to the other ships at the Kang to help out at the Cubes. Usually these pleas fall on deaf ears.
Usually at the last Cube all those protecting the Kang will move forward closer to the Cube and start helping to kill it.
But unfortunatly this isn't always the case.
I've seen several complete losses because the one, two, three, or four ships at the Kang didn't have the DPS to kill the BoP's.
In fact, One complete loss was within the first three (or there abouts) minutes before the first Cube was even dead!
There was one person protecting the Kang and nobody made it back, includi ng me, in time after the optional dropped to save the game. I saw ships heading that way before i could get away from the Cube but none made it in time. On the way back we all saw the ship protcting the Kang was a Rainbow Beam Boat, hence lies the problem. Plus, the guy protecting the Kang NEVER called for help. Which isn't at all unusual.
But I've heard several people say they've never had a complete loss on a Normal Cure. But don't worry, If you play enough you will see EVERYTHING.
:rolleyes:
I was onced called a Noob after destroying a cube and three cruisers with a another escort couldn't protect the Kang. The vocal player was telling me that they were doing the 10percent Cube. I told them it was unnecessary because it is a normal run and the BOPs and Raptors are not as powerful. What amazed me was not only could they take on the Bops and Raptors, the Kang was destroyed. The only thing of good merit I discovered was that I can take on a Cube base by myself, it may take a few more mins, but I can.
Pardon my noobness to the terms but when you say rainbow beam boats, what do you mean exactly?
A boat that carries one weapon of every type, or nearly
Phaser, Disrupter, Plasma, Tetryon, Polaron, and Anitproton. Usually doesn't shell out as much DPS as a boat with one type of weapon.
If we are talking Skittle Boats, it's a Rainbow Boat, but replace all Beam weapons with Dual Cannons or Heavy Cannons and Turrets
I'm going to add to that.
Before Season 5 a player had a little more flexability to specialize in a certain weapons type using the skills tree. Season 5 changed that ability to include only Energy Weapons and Torpedos.
Season 5 made multible beam or cannon types a little more viable but still a very poor choice.
Building a Rainbow/Technicolor or Skittles boat can deprives you of the ability to stack weapons consoles depending on your build. (These are also often called Fail Boats.)
Some ships may only have two weapons console slots but stacking two of the same weapons console with all matching weapons will give you a higher DPS rating for one weapons type than if you were using two weapons types with two different consoles.
A ship with four different weapons and four different consoles will have about 2/3 (more or less) the effeciency of a ship with all the same weapons and consoles.
This doesn't mean you can't mix DMG, CrtH, Acc and such as long as they are the same type.
A handfull of people will argue that this isn't at all true and I have seen a couple Rainbows with fair DPS but they are few and far between.
Most players would ask you to think twice and do some research before building a Rainbow and most would ask you to refrain from bringing them into an STF. But it's a free world at least for a few more months, do as you choose.
PS, I recently dropped torpedoes and added another DHC. When I had a torpedo onboard I didn't use a torpedo console in favor of one extra energy weapons console. I got an additional 100 or more DPS in sector space and 500 or more in battle. Just a little something to think about.
You are primarily torps and only slotting torp consoles (because then there are no consoles affecting energy weapons anyway, so go nuts). Note that only slotting torp consoles is a very tricky thing, and don't do this unless you REALLY know what you are doing. (IE: a fixed team, generally, or you are very very good sci boat specializing in shield stripping)
You don't actually have different energy types but the same energy type that happens to look different, like the retro phaser beam array -- it looks blue. So if you have a mix of phasers and retro phasers, you will be shooting blue and gold beams.
(I think there are a small number of weapons like this)
If you are ever slotting directed energy distribution manifold (bonus to all beam arrays regardless of energy) or prefire chamber (same with cannons/turrets), you are doing it wrong.
But
There I was.....
Things were great for the couple Cure Normals I took time to play before work.
But...
The last one was the usual fiasco.
Two Escorts
Two Rainbows
One Shuttle.
Need I really say more?
The shuttle was the loudmouth this trip with, "I've done dozens of STF's with my Shuttle." or " I can tank a Tac Cube with my Shuttle."
The other Escort got fed up and bailed but I stuck it out.
The two Rainbows were doing their best at the Kang, for whatever good it was.
I was pounding away at the Cubes and watching this itty bitty Shuttle doing whatever he was doing. And the whole time he was yelling, "Is That The Best You Can Do?" at everyone else.
So the Kang drops below 75 and he starts yelling at the Rainbows. Well, I can't blame him there.
But I'm back trying to kill the Cubes and this guy is yelling at me, "Your DPS Is Too Low, We Should Have Been Done By Now."
Well, We finished and the Shuttle guy just kept on how he's putting us on the ignore list and we suck and don't know how to do STF's.
I checked his stats, Rear Admeral Upper Half, Accolade Points setting at 3200. My guess is he probably joined STO last week sometime.
Yep, you can guess who got put on ignore.
If ship is doing less than 2k dps its not a ship, its a fishing boat...
As soon as he said "I can tank a Tac Cube in a shuttle" I'd have put him on ignore anyway, for being .. well I can't say it here without an infraction.
/signed and /signed
RAAAAAAAAAAGE! Of course you were laughing and not at all serious. *lie detector explodes*
I don't know what that last post was.
Have you guys ever sat and watched what is said in the Chats about STF's?
Some of it is just mind boggeling.
It'll give you a good giggle.
Me and another team member was like, you don't blow up cubes early or else you risk raptor swarms and taking out Kang... and the guy guarding Kang was a Bortas literally parking his ship on top of the Kang and pecking off BoP slowly with his puny disruptor beams so the Kang was getting pounded quite a lot...
We eventually dropped all probes, and stated having people slowly take down the Cubes, someone blew one of the cubes early. Guy just would not get it and after mission failed with Kang, he blamed the whole thing on us not blowing up cubes faster despite the fail screen said the Kang was destroyed
Figure lets just go with it. Loose 1 out of the game in the second room. I'm like ok 4 can do fine. MK XII gear can blow through this. We manage to get to the end. They rush into the room, throw turrets, pets everything. Basically Agro the whole room. Clear the whole room. And I walk to the first corner, one follows 2 are running around. I ask for 2 more on the consoles so we can progress. The one on the platform with me is shooting the shielded generator. The Borg re-spawn, and the 2 who were running around quit, leaving me and another. Se we got to a no can do situation. Did not even do a single corner. Thing is if they could have gotten to the consoles we could have cake-walked through Rebecca with my DPS.
The moral of the story? Cryptic need to stop foistering failed STFs on players queuing up. Nobody should be saddled with somebody else's mess. Ever.:mad:
I would add the circumstance that you've just leveled a new character, and are in that transition phase between flying cheap with loot drops while you save your resources, and building out your final captain+boffs+ship configuration. I call it "starship puberty". It's bound to be awkward for a little while, but eventually you'll grow out of it.
A veteran player who throws a fit, then throws the rest of the team to the wolves.
I was doing a ISE run a couple days ago. One of the newbies ignored the 10% rule (even after being instructed on how to do it). Oh well, stuff happens.
And that's when the vet player starts crying about how newbies always TRIBBLE things up.... etc etc... the usual verbal wastage that comes out of their mouths. When trying to explain to the newbie how the scenario messed up and what to do for next time, this vet keeps running his mouth and undermining helpful advice. So finally I just had to tell the guy off, to be quiet.
So in response, the vet player decides to park his starship next to Starbase 82 and not help for the rest of the STF.
You know how aggravating it is to try and take out the end boss Tac Cube at the end with an undermanned and raw team of inexperienced players when one of the decent players decides to throw a fit and sit this one out?
So I say this to anyone that plays. Don't take the ball and stomp off in a bad mood, ruining the game for everyone. A foulup or two doesn't entitle you to act like a brat and leave the team out to hang.
And that's why I have more animosity towards vets who ruin STF's than I do towards newbies who ruin STF's. Newbies can be worked on. They're not newbies forever. People can learn from mistakes and get better. But Troll behavior usually doesn't change.
I've done that twice.
Both times in Cure normals.
One was with 3 ships with rainbow weapons and a shuttle.
I did ALL the killing and protecting because they were too weak.
When I said something about taking their weapons off stun the abuse began.
Once everything was cleared I just sat back and watched while they tried to kill the Carrier.
It took them 11 minutes to kill it. :eek:
The second time was more like what you said with an abusive midrange player (7000 accolade).
After everything was done 3 of us sat it out on the carrier and told him if he was so good, kill it himself.
It took him and another ship several minutes to kill the carrier.
He was throwing abuse the whole time. I told him to check my accolade points but I don't think he knew how.
It was a fun, sisyphean task after all, in PvP I got used to work (and lose) for no reward anyways.
Similar thing happened with my Engineer KDF character, except replace the BOP with a Negh'var (underequipped one due to the fact he's financially challenged. My aft Beam arrays are Mk 8 and Common). Three ships are defending the Kang and only me and a Star Cruiser were killing Cubes. Needless to say I died a couple of times The team was 4 cruisers and an Escort.
I completed yet another Normal Cure Space PuG today.
Yes I am a glutton for punishment.
Once again, 4 ships with Technicolor Rainbow Skittle beams and cannons pounding away at the ships coming up on the Kang.
The one escort with the skittles did seem to have the smarts to come help with the probes every now and again.
But when the BoP's or Nag Veys (or whatever they are called) generated off he went following them like a little puppy. Skittles just firing away....
We won with about 15 seconds to spare.
One of the hundreds of things the noobes haven't figured out yet is that you have to hail the Kang. Even with with everthing dead, the timer won't stop until the Kang is hailed.
On a side note, If you want to see exactly how bad the Rainbow Technicolor Skittles epidemic is, go do some Enemy Signal Contacts. :eek:
The guy on probe defense took it on himself to come over and shoot the cube (?? as I was in an Escort and had it under control) and then died I guess...anyway he spent the next 10 minutes raging on how he'd lost his 1 EDC for not dying (I don't even think it works that way) and calling me a council estate something, swearing and calling me every name in the book.
Despite my telling him to stop raging and get back on his task he kept going on with the insults and rage...
You can guess what happened next...His two probes went right on through the gate while he was busy typing hatred...then blamed me!
We lost the whole optional due to him raging on 1 death. Talk about missing the forest for the trees. :rolleyes:
LOL. That happens. I've been doing fleets and elite channels the last few days and to tell you the truth, they are only a little bit better. PuGs are actually more fun depending on what you're trying to do. I find them to be a good place to blow off steam. LOL
one stayed back griefed ships ontop of kang while rest of team was wrapping up first cube
i f by kang invest in heal ablities hazzard team and extend shields use those and click on kang you heal it do the same to ne drop ship