Yesterday in a Infected space pug, 4 of us take out the cube and spheres, 1 guy (From one of the larger fed fleets) sits at spawn while on ingame voice comms loudly pretending to be masturbating.
The 4 of us go to the left as you usually do, he then goes right still making all his noises. After we have lost the optional because he's let nanites through he then says "Sorry I didn't know I had my mic on" and then starts talking in a TRIBBLE person voice.
That's when I decided the 1 hour leaver penalty was no punishment at all to be out of there.
Just a typical one today, was surprised to get a response from someone after I asked him why he needed everything, he replied for the money, I said that was selfish and he should greed, so he insisted we should be grateful he was in the game because he knew what to do (in a normal STF). He was Klingon so there's idiots on both sides.
Started pug group, Cure ground elite. 2 noobs, after some questions said never had played a STF, they even didn't know what a remodulator was (and had non).
Why go you have people like this ??
Started pug group, Cure ground elite. 2 noobs, after some questions said never had played a STF, they even didn't know what a remodulator was (and had non).
Why go you have people like this ??
This is why I don't PUG ground! Not having a remod and not knowing when to remod
Yesterday in a Infected space pug, 4 of us take out the cube and spheres, 1 guy (From one of the larger fed fleets) sits at spawn while on ingame voice comms loudly pretending to be masturbating.
I use the ignore a lot, including in teams with Noobes if the noobes are as bad as the one you had there. Get the whole team to use the ignore button. (At least those with their chat screens on.)
I was just watching an Elite STF chat, one of the players going on a Ground Elite asked, "Where do I get Large Hypos?"
I've had plenty... Just last night we had some emo teenager claiming he didn't want the optional so preceded to blow up the ganerators in Infected elite, even though he knew what he was doing. Luckily I had tractor beam repulsors and to his dismay (and complete lack of effort) we got the optional anyways. STF's needs a kick and/or special report button. I could care less if it gets abused as players are currently getting abused by a$$holes who want to troll and take away from the experience of the game.
4 more or less skilled guys and one with a Galaxy skittle refit
cube and spheres gone, on to the left...
all where looking to not drop the gens below 5-10% (can tell by seeing single beams hitting some gens)...except skittle-boy
luckily his DPS was so low that we could destroy the other gens in time aswell as the bigger one...i already had the optional kissed goodbye, but i was eager to get it nonetheless
so, nanite spheres where almost gone after quite some time and skittle-boy seemed to be in a hurry as he was pounding a right side gen while the rest of us where still killing the last nanite sphere...
he had the thing down to 30% so i told him to stop...no response
i sat in front of him and typed again...no response
so i PNed him...
now he stoped shooting (gen was down to 16% now), and sat like a duck...(he probably was puzzled for me not shooting at all)
meanwhile the others had arrived and started shooting the other gens...oh if skittle-boy had just remained the duck he was moments ago that could´ve gone well...but no, again he killed the gen ahead of time while another one was at 30%...and those few seconds cost us the optional...had the big gen down to 8% (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) when it got healed...
i did not bother to rant at this time, so again after killing spheres the thing was destroyed and the tac cube appeared...
skittle-boy was 35km off the action having fun with a sphere, but got killed eventually and respawned...
the others & me are still busy clearing the last nanite spheres when skittle-boy decides to come to our "aid" by using the direct path...of course he pulled the tac cube and prolonged the ordeal another 15-20 minutes
oh well...at least got a prototype tech out of this
afterwards i wasn´t angry or something...i just felt miserable...enough so to not try another STF today...
went playing forge missions and stuff instead
i think something really needs to be done about this...maybe a report button for this type of player which then sends them a standard message with a klick-away timer (60sec or so, one for each klick - if you get 4 messages double the time = court martial -->epic fail, get 4 messages 3 times = 3h ban for public elite) that other players think they are not ready for the elite STF and that they should stick to normal ones - also the reporting player may post a short text what was the reason for reporting or maybe this could be done by clicking different choices
of course this can be abused but i can´t think of anything else less abusive yet sort of forcing players to think about their actions
also: force the chatbox open and always display team chatter no matter what
Warping into an STF I qued into and realizing I was still in my gorram Peregrine Fighter.
I was moving some cons and stuff around on different ships experimenting with best set up for my play style, My fleet mate teams me up and Ques us we jump into CURE normal, It turns out I pressed set to current on a ship that had nothing but the BREEN set and a MK XI Tetreyon Pulse generator, so I quickly blow a bunch in the DIlith Store to outfit my ship but we still get the Optional
infected, when someone splits off the main group and pops the other side spawning nanites.
also infected, people who don't know how to use repulsers...nanite sphere with maybe 5% health left, oddy charges in fires repulsers and shoves it into range of the generator >.<
saw another science ship do that with probes in ka. starting to think they're are assimilated spies out there already that secretly help the borg, O.O
also ka, the person who splits right to guard, destroys 2 gens...which is fine if they can handle the spheres and the probes...80% of the time they can't, and one ****tard died, respawned, then ran over to the left side, i wasn't watching him, only noticed when saw his stats suddenly plummet, engaged with 2 sphere's already, tried to get over there asap, made it but not in time to stop 1 probe from going through...and the guy who had been guarding that side whinges that we failed the optional
cure normal, 3 ships guarding the kang and they failed fast. had just started working on the first cube when mission failed. 3 ships, 2 oddy's and an escort couldn't handle freaking bops
always pugging so i've seen a lot @.@ and all in all...afkers aren't so bad...you at least know they're not going to TRIBBLE things up.
Yesterday, on KA ground elite, we had one guy that in the beginning of the mission just stand there, not moving while we cleared all borg before the nodes room.
Then, when we start the cleaning he goes to the room and begins to drop shields at random. We asked him to stop but hi didn't. Finally, one of us just beams out and as soon as he realized the team was down to 4 he beams out too. Reduced to only 3, we decided we would finish the mission and not loose our time.
We lost the bonus, but manage to finish the mission and got our rewards. Actually it was easier with 3 taking it seriously than with 5.
infected, when someone splits off the main group and pops the other side spawning nanites.
also infected, people who don't know how to use repulsers...nanite sphere with maybe 5% health left, oddy charges in fires repulsers and shoves it into range of the generator >.<
saw another science ship do that with probes in ka. starting to think they're are assimilated spies out there already that secretly help the borg, O.O
also ka, the person who splits right to guard, destroys 2 gens...which is fine if they can handle the spheres and the probes...80% of the time they can't, and one ****tard died, respawned, then ran over to the left side, i wasn't watching him, only noticed when saw his stats suddenly plummet, engaged with 2 sphere's already, tried to get over there asap, made it but not in time to stop 1 probe from going through...and the guy who had been guarding that side whinges that we failed the optional
cure normal, 3 ships guarding the kang and they failed fast. had just started working on the first cube when mission failed. 3 ships, 2 oddy's and an escort couldn't handle freaking bops
always pugging so i've seen a lot @.@ and all in all...afkers aren't so bad...you at least know they're not going to TRIBBLE things up.
This boggles my mind. Of all the space missions on normal, Cure is the easiest. How can you fail to those BoPs? Their hull is tissue paper! One CSV/TS volley and the front BoP is exploding... which does enough damage to the one behind it to finish it off too, and I can move on to the other two in quick succession.
I just don't get it. Maybe I am so used to dealing out good damage that I can't fathom someone running a poor damage setup in an STF.
My worst experience...there's so many. But I'll stick with the thing that almost always happens.
I normally fly Science ships. I loves me Intrepid Retrofit and me Nebula.
Well, I had just really returned to the game and saw the changes done to the STFS so I figured, why not, what's the worse that could happen?
Little did I know this would envoke the power of Murphy and his Law.
So I checked up on how to do the STFs now and went in..that's when my hell began.
Off the bat we destroy the Cube and Sphere and go after the Generator..and once we pop the Generators in come the Nanite ships, and all that could stop them..
A Nebula that was geared for support and healing roles with one Grav Well 3 to its name.
Oh yeah, this is gonna suck.
Well, the Rainbow Brites were still spamming fighters and all that on the Generators and here I was, fighting a holding action against a horde of Spheres and Probes...the entire time I was mentally hoping for a server crash so epic that Cryptic would be blasted back to the stone age.
Long story short, we finished the STF but failed the optional..
However no matter what happens when I run Infected, I find myself being the only one trying to keep the probes away. And in Cure: the only one that's protecting the Kang.
Moral of the story: Never Insult Murphy and call him a motherless TRIBBLE$hole.
Did you use the 10% strategy? That is, get all the generators to 10%, then blow them all up as quick as possible, and start nuking the transformer that is healing the gate. If you do it right and there's enough DPS in the group, you can nuke the transformer before any of the nanite spheres or probes reach the transformer, making the entire ordeal of trying to keep them at bay unnecessary. It's a lot faster than trying to kill every wave of nanites after every generator pops.
If your team was attempting to do the above, best you could do was to either help them nuke the transformer or try to keep the nanites away by repelling or rooting them. The whole problem starts when people play different strategies. Seeing as how you say they were still killing the generators while there were nanites to kill I guess they didn't follow the 10% strategy. Then the only strategy would've been to switch from whatever they were doing to killing nanites. It'll be difficult to get the optional in time that way, but its still possible if there's enough DPS. Heck, anything is possible with just enough DPS.
I would have to say the first Infected run I ever made before the revamp was the worst. Pug group without a clue (me included). Nothing like dying in nearly every other mob. After coutless deaths, dropped and picked up players and attempting the last room about 3-4dozen times. We got through it.
This is not the worst one I have ever been in, but it was pretty bad. Yesterday infected ground. We do the whole everyone know the triggers etc. oh yeah yeah we all know. 3 victim in and optional is failed. One person for some reason had to be at the door to every room. Ok so we move on. Get to the final room do the whole left right center deal. Yah yah all good. One person walks in, and stands in the plasma and dies, resurrected, and happens again. 3 times total. Then another person starts spamming pets and mortars etc.. Argos the whole room. Then dies. Repeatedly. Finally 3 of us are moving along and the other two when not dead are agroing anything they could. Finally get Rebecca out, and they won't spread out. So chain lighting in effect. One more shot and she's a goner, and I disconnected. Got back in time to see an empty star base with no loot and a col down on the game. I was ****ed. I pray none of them got tech.
Once I was in an Infected Ground Elite with two guys wearing the EVA suit. As you have to put it into your armory slot they were nearly without any defence. So they were dying continously. When they were down they started spamming "Help"... After 10 minutes it was obvious that they don't want to change their "outfit" and the run is going to fail. So I left.
Seriously... Sometimes I really wonder about other players behaviour. Just to quote the AVGN: "What were they thinking?!?" ^^
They didn't use the 10% they out and out nuked the first one in a mass spam of firepower.
Add in when I called for help I was ignored and yeah...wasn't fun at all.
I'm in a business where knowing basic mathimatics is very important. One wrong calculation could spell disaster for many. What I have discovered is the average high school graduate which my company regularly hires will have a great deal of trouble counting to 10. Therefore, with the influx of new people who could not play before F2P because mommy would not let them use the credit card, many of them will not know what 10% is. So what it all boils down to is we are doomed to die horrible deaths in the STF PuG world for a very long time.
Part of the problem is that some "pros" are so quick to throw around insults, and then wonder why their hails go ignored.
I was in Infected Space Elite last night. I know about the 10% rule. Switched target to move to the next generator... let loose everything...
And the target hadn't switched. Boom. "Go back to normal, Rick! TRIBBLE!!!!" etc etc. No slack for a genuine mistake... just a "They're noob!!!! They're noob!!!" assumption. At that point, nothing I could say would restore things - the optional was a bust.
The group still cleared up within 20 mins overall. I do think that if you want to do the optionals reliably, you'd better form a premade. Better for the "pros" blood pressure, right?
Note that it's good to see those helpful few who give advice. It's the ones that just rant and rant that are doing nobody any good - least of all themselves. I always imagine someone frothing at the mouth and gibbering "FUUUUUUUUUUUU!" and rocking backwards and forwards. The thought amuses me a little.
As for me - I did come properly geared, knowing the strategy and with components to heal injuries. Next time I'll be more careful!
It seems like every STF I enter into in the past week has been filled with at least 1 or 2 noobs, not listening to team plans and ruining matches for people... like not just 1 or 2 a day... I play for several hours in a row, and 95% of them, particularly in space, any map, people are just messing up... it's getting quite ridiculous.
I was in IGE for the first time. _I_ made it the worst STF experience.
I've done IGN many times, and didn't know about some basic stuff (like trigger lines) because nobody had ever explained them. We just... moved through. Sometimes we got the optional, most times we didn't. Ok.
Yeah, I was a complete drag to the team, but it didn't help that the 'boss' of the group was snippy with me through the entire match.
Then I discovered that the final room doesn't have bridges. ... oh f me. I hate jumping. HATE JUMPING. I said 'wait, elite mode has no bridges?' and got some snide 'no s*t' comments in return.
I died a bunch and eventually just quit, feeling completely useless and embarrassed. (In retrospect, the leader, knowing I was new to the game mode, should have kept me on center duty)
What did I take away from it? I'm never doing ground STFs again. Simple. Way too much stress for minimal reward. Really, I was only doing them for fun and the off-chance of finally getting a helmet.
Space is easy and rewarding. If I want ground gear, I'll just use EDC from space and be done with it.
Why don't people want to win?! Space elite STF's are sooo easy if you just do what you're supposed to do! No, you DON'T nuke the generators. You get them to 10%. And then you DON'T GO AND NUKE THEM ON THE OTHER SIDE AGAIN! You just don't. It's like sabotaging a run on purpose!
And yes! You do keep your ship repaired! You wouldn't go ride your car without oil and ignore it, would you? So why do you insist on flying your spaceship with PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING BROKEN. You blow up a lot? Well guess how that happens! Might it have something to do with shield damage? Hull stress and breaches? Nooooo, that can't be it! It must be that everyone else sucks and isn't healing enough. And I guess with all that damage to your ship you'll certainly help everyone a lot by firing your broken rainbow DPS. Yes, THAT'LL HELP A LOT.
And why do people insist on ignoring the BoP's in Cure? Thank God I don't have to run that STF anymore because I got all I want from it. Because GOOD GRIEF, people, it's not THAT HARD to kill the BoP THAT WAS JUST FLYING PAST YOU. What, you purposefully ignored it because your tiny bit of DPS was better wasted shooting some generators so you can create more spawn which you'll also ignore so that, OF COURSE, the Kahn blows up, AGAIN!? And NOOOO, let's CERTAINLY not communicate! NoooOOOhh! We don't want anybody to know that we've just spawned Negh'var warships, do we? It's not like we're ACTUALLY A TEAM HERE, right? Noo! We're all on our own! And as long as NOBODY KNOWS that there's a Negh'var and 3 raptors going towards the Kahn everything is just HONKYDORY right?!
NOT to even mention the probes in Kithomer. There was a bunch of probes flying past me? I thought someone else was supposed to shoot those while I blindly went and got blown up by a cube ALL THE BLOODY TIME, and then COMPLETELY IGNORE the whole idea of blowing up both gates in tandem, because WE ALL LOVE SPAWNS don't we?! If possible, we'd all just want to kill spawns ALL THE BLOODY TIME right?! I mean, that's why we learned to NUKE THE GENERATORS in Infected right? It's not as if we're actually trying to WIN! That would be preposterous! If possible we'd all just want to keep killing spawns for the rest of the day! And because STF's are so FREAKING easy, it's best if we bring sub-tier4 ships! And lots of silly mines! And rainbows! Shiny shiny rainbows! Another freaking skittle boat! And YES! It can't even heal! It can't DO ANYTHING!
And how is it even possible that every day there are people who AGAIN don't know what to do? Is the supply of ineptitude literally endless? Was Einstein right when he said that human stupidity is infinite? Is it impossible to learn WHILE failing instead of just KEEP ON FAILING? It's like one of those babies trying to fit a triangular shaped block through a circular shaped hole! If it doesn't work, why KEEP going on doing the same? If NUKING the generators got you scolded last time, what would be a good idea to do now? YES, NUKE MORE GENERATORS! It's FUN! WE WANT MORE SPAWN!
Cryptic, please make a tutorial where people have to get all generators to 10% before they're allowed to get out again. Or make it a vote-kick option, call it space-ship purgatory. Perhaps then stupidity can be purged.
Edit: Actually, I'm not all that ragey. I wrote that pretty much chuckling at the banality of it all the time. And there are plenty of times and people out there who can REALLY make an STF run a lot of fun. THANK YOU! to all the competent players who took time to learn how to do STF's.
It seems like every STF I enter into in the past week has been filled with at least 1 or 2 noobs, not listening to team plans and ruining matches for people... like not just 1 or 2 a day... I play for several hours in a row, and 95% of them, particularly in space, any map, people are just messing up... it's getting quite ridiculous.
Are you actually trying to HELP them? Or are you just trash talking to them? My own experience when I was new to elite STFs involved someone at the beginning of the mission asked if everyone was aware of the 10% rule, me saying "no," and nobody filling me in. Once the mission began I was only being called names and swore at by the other players.
Enough with the "noob" hate. You were new once. Actually HELP them instead of complaining about them.
Being fairly new myself I haven't had too many terrible experiences. I only pug the stfs I've trained with my fleet for (cure and infected with an accidental ka ground elite due to a team set up snafu - still got the optional somehow). Because of this I stick to following the lead of the team. That doesn't always work, though. Especially when the team splits up in infected space after taking down the cube and triggers both sets of nate probes and spheres. Thank god I had my graviton pulse equipped because I was working double time to keep them contained (to be fair, when I said I needed help, i got it from one of the teammates). I did notice our lone ranger was firing all rainbows and after the match I sent him a pm asking if it was his first run. He said it was and I went over what I knew with him, gave him the tips I had been given and offered to pug with him in the future. It went really well. I guess that is bad and good. That same good/bad happened in an infected ground (ive believe it was infected). Before we even got a quarter of the way we lost one (of course I'm not sure if it was a disconect it not). Then just before we could finish the final boss (after 6 attempts) we lost another. This is where it was good, though we were down to 3, we still tried 3 more times. It was a full hour and a half of fighting a losing battle but I gained a friend out of it and we both got pretty good at the mission. We didnt suffer a penalty either when we finally gave up. So I guess what I got out of it was to help the new folks and to not leave too soon.
Are you actually trying to HELP them? Or are you just trash talking to them? My own experience when I was new to elite STFs involved someone at the beginning of the mission asked if everyone was aware of the 10% rule, me saying "no," and nobody filling me in. Once the mission began I was only being called names and swore at by the other players.
Enough with the "noob" hate. You were new once. Actually HELP them instead of complaining about them.
I try to help or give direction but these people do not follow instructions, nor respond, nor give any indication they can see or comprehend anything being said, they jusr do whatever
So, I was bored out of my mind (which is not surprising in STO for the past year), so I thought 'What the hell...I'll do an STF."
So my first mistake was not leaving right as it began...a full team of tacs...I even stated that I felt concern about the lack of diversity in the group, but we came to the assumption that, with luck, our dps would out do any issues.
So we pave the map, killing all the borg spawns and challenges with ease (well maybe doing the shield puzzles 2-3 times each).
Then the random drop team bug hit us all and we tried to get our team together. Only 4/5 instantly got back to the team...the 5th one didn't even answer in zone until 20 minutes after this bug...and he actually just happened to walk to the boss where we were...he didn't even answer and tells, etc.
So....the Boss fight...I started off telling the team we had to make sure we spread out and lookout for his AoE. No one replies. I thought everyone was just gettin prepped...so right as the fight starts all of them group together and die instantly....I go 'wth was that? I stated to look out for his AoE' No reply again. So rinse and repeat this about 10 times (eventually that last member got to us...but kept denying team invites). And in the process one of the members kept pm'n me that he was confused as hell to as to why the rest wasn't folling the basic setup for this STF.
Eventually I just exploded in rage.....hey you guys weren't there saying something like "Are you guys even trying??? I keep telling you to look out for the damn AoE..and you just walk right next to each other each time. What are you people doing???"
One of them finally went "lol," and that's when I said "Really...? Lol !?" How is this even funny? Do you even read any guides or God forbid, listen?" Another 'lol' and a troll post which made me happily ignore sadi member later I said "Well sorry, hope you guys have fun, but I'm out of here. No point in trying with you people. The leaver penality shall be worth it."
So myself and the other member that at least pm'd me earlier stating how the others were annoying him too, left.
.....I recieved no leaver penalty...
Moral of the story: I should give up on STF's...it's like this ever sinse the "update" to them...got borg tech on 2/4 characters, an aegis on 1/4 and reman on 1/4. Oh well, that's my tale. :cool:
The worst are always where one guy decides he is the king-daddy, and everyone else are noobs. He begins shouting or name calling or whining about what a fail team he is on. The next worse are those that bail just because they are unhappy with whatever they perceive as a fail situation.
Question for the veteran players: In infected space normal, was there a time when there wasn't a Borg Sphere hanging above the Transformers?
There was a time when the STFs were completely different (and much more unforgiving). Alas, they're long one now. Back then it was the other side of the planet and holding off several waves of Borg a they came through the gate; painful if you didn't know what you were doing but challenging.
Right now though it's either the Sphere (normal) or a Cube (elite).
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The 4 of us go to the left as you usually do, he then goes right still making all his noises. After we have lost the optional because he's let nanites through he then says "Sorry I didn't know I had my mic on" and then starts talking in a TRIBBLE person voice.
That's when I decided the 1 hour leaver penalty was no punishment at all to be out of there.
Just a typical one today, was surprised to get a response from someone after I asked him why he needed everything, he replied for the money, I said that was selfish and he should greed, so he insisted we should be grateful he was in the game because he knew what to do (in a normal STF). He was Klingon so there's idiots on both sides.
Why go you have people like this ??
This is why I don't PUG ground! Not having a remod and not knowing when to remod
I use the ignore a lot, including in teams with Noobes if the noobes are as bad as the one you had there. Get the whole team to use the ignore button. (At least those with their chat screens on.)
I was just watching an Elite STF chat, one of the players going on a Ground Elite asked, "Where do I get Large Hypos?"
You're kidding, Right?
4 more or less skilled guys and one with a Galaxy skittle refit
cube and spheres gone, on to the left...
all where looking to not drop the gens below 5-10% (can tell by seeing single beams hitting some gens)...except skittle-boy
luckily his DPS was so low that we could destroy the other gens in time aswell as the bigger one...i already had the optional kissed goodbye, but i was eager to get it nonetheless
so, nanite spheres where almost gone after quite some time and skittle-boy seemed to be in a hurry as he was pounding a right side gen while the rest of us where still killing the last nanite sphere...
he had the thing down to 30% so i told him to stop...no response
i sat in front of him and typed again...no response
so i PNed him...
now he stoped shooting (gen was down to 16% now), and sat like a duck...(he probably was puzzled for me not shooting at all)
meanwhile the others had arrived and started shooting the other gens...oh if skittle-boy had just remained the duck he was moments ago that could´ve gone well...but no, again he killed the gen ahead of time while another one was at 30%...and those few seconds cost us the optional...had the big gen down to 8% (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) when it got healed...
i did not bother to rant at this time, so again after killing spheres the thing was destroyed and the tac cube appeared...
skittle-boy was 35km off the action having fun with a sphere, but got killed eventually and respawned...
the others & me are still busy clearing the last nanite spheres when skittle-boy decides to come to our "aid" by using the direct path...of course he pulled the tac cube and prolonged the ordeal another 15-20 minutes
oh well...at least got a prototype tech out of this
afterwards i wasn´t angry or something...i just felt miserable...enough so to not try another STF today...
went playing forge missions and stuff instead
i think something really needs to be done about this...maybe a report button for this type of player which then sends them a standard message with a klick-away timer (60sec or so, one for each klick - if you get 4 messages double the time = court martial -->epic fail, get 4 messages 3 times = 3h ban for public elite) that other players think they are not ready for the elite STF and that they should stick to normal ones - also the reporting player may post a short text what was the reason for reporting or maybe this could be done by clicking different choices
of course this can be abused but i can´t think of anything else less abusive yet sort of forcing players to think about their actions
also: force the chatbox open and always display team chatter no matter what
I was moving some cons and stuff around on different ships experimenting with best set up for my play style, My fleet mate teams me up and Ques us we jump into CURE normal, It turns out I pressed set to current on a ship that had nothing but the BREEN set and a MK XI Tetreyon Pulse generator, so I quickly blow a bunch in the DIlith Store to outfit my ship but we still get the Optional
also infected, people who don't know how to use repulsers...nanite sphere with maybe 5% health left, oddy charges in fires repulsers and shoves it into range of the generator >.<
saw another science ship do that with probes in ka. starting to think they're are assimilated spies out there already that secretly help the borg, O.O
also ka, the person who splits right to guard, destroys 2 gens...which is fine if they can handle the spheres and the probes...80% of the time they can't, and one ****tard died, respawned, then ran over to the left side, i wasn't watching him, only noticed when saw his stats suddenly plummet, engaged with 2 sphere's already, tried to get over there asap, made it but not in time to stop 1 probe from going through...and the guy who had been guarding that side whinges that we failed the optional
cure normal, 3 ships guarding the kang and they failed fast. had just started working on the first cube when mission failed. 3 ships, 2 oddy's and an escort couldn't handle freaking bops
always pugging so i've seen a lot @.@ and all in all...afkers aren't so bad...you at least know they're not going to TRIBBLE things up.
Then, when we start the cleaning he goes to the room and begins to drop shields at random. We asked him to stop but hi didn't. Finally, one of us just beams out and as soon as he realized the team was down to 4 he beams out too. Reduced to only 3, we decided we would finish the mission and not loose our time.
We lost the bonus, but manage to finish the mission and got our rewards. Actually it was easier with 3 taking it seriously than with 5.
This boggles my mind. Of all the space missions on normal, Cure is the easiest. How can you fail to those BoPs? Their hull is tissue paper! One CSV/TS volley and the front BoP is exploding... which does enough damage to the one behind it to finish it off too, and I can move on to the other two in quick succession.
I just don't get it. Maybe I am so used to dealing out good damage that I can't fathom someone running a poor damage setup in an STF.
I normally fly Science ships. I loves me Intrepid Retrofit and me Nebula.
Well, I had just really returned to the game and saw the changes done to the STFS so I figured, why not, what's the worse that could happen?
Little did I know this would envoke the power of Murphy and his Law.
So I checked up on how to do the STFs now and went in..that's when my hell began.
Off the bat we destroy the Cube and Sphere and go after the Generator..and once we pop the Generators in come the Nanite ships, and all that could stop them..
A Nebula that was geared for support and healing roles with one Grav Well 3 to its name.
Oh yeah, this is gonna suck.
Well, the Rainbow Brites were still spamming fighters and all that on the Generators and here I was, fighting a holding action against a horde of Spheres and Probes...the entire time I was mentally hoping for a server crash so epic that Cryptic would be blasted back to the stone age.
Long story short, we finished the STF but failed the optional..
However no matter what happens when I run Infected, I find myself being the only one trying to keep the probes away. And in Cure: the only one that's protecting the Kang.
Moral of the story: Never Insult Murphy and call him a motherless TRIBBLE$hole.
If your team was attempting to do the above, best you could do was to either help them nuke the transformer or try to keep the nanites away by repelling or rooting them. The whole problem starts when people play different strategies. Seeing as how you say they were still killing the generators while there were nanites to kill I guess they didn't follow the 10% strategy. Then the only strategy would've been to switch from whatever they were doing to killing nanites. It'll be difficult to get the optional in time that way, but its still possible if there's enough DPS. Heck, anything is possible with just enough DPS.
Add in when I called for help I was ignored and yeah...wasn't fun at all.
Seriously... Sometimes I really wonder about other players behaviour. Just to quote the AVGN: "What were they thinking?!?" ^^
I'm in a business where knowing basic mathimatics is very important. One wrong calculation could spell disaster for many. What I have discovered is the average high school graduate which my company regularly hires will have a great deal of trouble counting to 10. Therefore, with the influx of new people who could not play before F2P because mommy would not let them use the credit card, many of them will not know what 10% is. So what it all boils down to is we are doomed to die horrible deaths in the STF PuG world for a very long time.
I was in Infected Space Elite last night. I know about the 10% rule. Switched target to move to the next generator... let loose everything...
And the target hadn't switched. Boom. "Go back to normal, Rick! TRIBBLE!!!!" etc etc. No slack for a genuine mistake... just a "They're noob!!!! They're noob!!!" assumption. At that point, nothing I could say would restore things - the optional was a bust.
The group still cleared up within 20 mins overall. I do think that if you want to do the optionals reliably, you'd better form a premade. Better for the "pros" blood pressure, right?
Note that it's good to see those helpful few who give advice. It's the ones that just rant and rant that are doing nobody any good - least of all themselves. I always imagine someone frothing at the mouth and gibbering "FUUUUUUUUUUUU!" and rocking backwards and forwards. The thought amuses me a little.
As for me - I did come properly geared, knowing the strategy and with components to heal injuries. Next time I'll be more careful!
I've done IGN many times, and didn't know about some basic stuff (like trigger lines) because nobody had ever explained them. We just... moved through. Sometimes we got the optional, most times we didn't. Ok.
Yeah, I was a complete drag to the team, but it didn't help that the 'boss' of the group was snippy with me through the entire match.
Then I discovered that the final room doesn't have bridges. ... oh f me. I hate jumping. HATE JUMPING. I said 'wait, elite mode has no bridges?' and got some snide 'no s*t' comments in return.
I died a bunch and eventually just quit, feeling completely useless and embarrassed. (In retrospect, the leader, knowing I was new to the game mode, should have kept me on center duty)
What did I take away from it? I'm never doing ground STFs again. Simple. Way too much stress for minimal reward. Really, I was only doing them for fun and the off-chance of finally getting a helmet.
Space is easy and rewarding. If I want ground gear, I'll just use EDC from space and be done with it.
And yes! You do keep your ship repaired! You wouldn't go ride your car without oil and ignore it, would you? So why do you insist on flying your spaceship with PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING BROKEN. You blow up a lot? Well guess how that happens! Might it have something to do with shield damage? Hull stress and breaches? Nooooo, that can't be it! It must be that everyone else sucks and isn't healing enough. And I guess with all that damage to your ship you'll certainly help everyone a lot by firing your broken rainbow DPS. Yes, THAT'LL HELP A LOT.
And why do people insist on ignoring the BoP's in Cure? Thank God I don't have to run that STF anymore because I got all I want from it. Because GOOD GRIEF, people, it's not THAT HARD to kill the BoP THAT WAS JUST FLYING PAST YOU. What, you purposefully ignored it because your tiny bit of DPS was better wasted shooting some generators so you can create more spawn which you'll also ignore so that, OF COURSE, the Kahn blows up, AGAIN!? And NOOOO, let's CERTAINLY not communicate! NoooOOOhh! We don't want anybody to know that we've just spawned Negh'var warships, do we? It's not like we're ACTUALLY A TEAM HERE, right? Noo! We're all on our own! And as long as NOBODY KNOWS that there's a Negh'var and 3 raptors going towards the Kahn everything is just HONKYDORY right?!
NOT to even mention the probes in Kithomer. There was a bunch of probes flying past me? I thought someone else was supposed to shoot those while I blindly went and got blown up by a cube ALL THE BLOODY TIME, and then COMPLETELY IGNORE the whole idea of blowing up both gates in tandem, because WE ALL LOVE SPAWNS don't we?! If possible, we'd all just want to kill spawns ALL THE BLOODY TIME right?! I mean, that's why we learned to NUKE THE GENERATORS in Infected right? It's not as if we're actually trying to WIN! That would be preposterous! If possible we'd all just want to keep killing spawns for the rest of the day! And because STF's are so FREAKING easy, it's best if we bring sub-tier4 ships! And lots of silly mines! And rainbows! Shiny shiny rainbows! Another freaking skittle boat! And YES! It can't even heal! It can't DO ANYTHING!
And how is it even possible that every day there are people who AGAIN don't know what to do? Is the supply of ineptitude literally endless? Was Einstein right when he said that human stupidity is infinite? Is it impossible to learn WHILE failing instead of just KEEP ON FAILING? It's like one of those babies trying to fit a triangular shaped block through a circular shaped hole! If it doesn't work, why KEEP going on doing the same? If NUKING the generators got you scolded last time, what would be a good idea to do now? YES, NUKE MORE GENERATORS! It's FUN! WE WANT MORE SPAWN!
Cryptic, please make a tutorial where people have to get all generators to 10% before they're allowed to get out again. Or make it a vote-kick option, call it space-ship purgatory. Perhaps then stupidity can be purged.
Edit: Actually, I'm not all that ragey. I wrote that pretty much chuckling at the banality of it all the time. And there are plenty of times and people out there who can REALLY make an STF run a lot of fun. THANK YOU! to all the competent players who took time to learn how to do STF's.
Enough with the "noob" hate. You were new once. Actually HELP them instead of complaining about them.
I try to help or give direction but these people do not follow instructions, nor respond, nor give any indication they can see or comprehend anything being said, they jusr do whatever
So my first mistake was not leaving right as it began...a full team of tacs...I even stated that I felt concern about the lack of diversity in the group, but we came to the assumption that, with luck, our dps would out do any issues.
So we pave the map, killing all the borg spawns and challenges with ease (well maybe doing the shield puzzles 2-3 times each).
Then the random drop team bug hit us all and we tried to get our team together. Only 4/5 instantly got back to the team...the 5th one didn't even answer in zone until 20 minutes after this bug...and he actually just happened to walk to the boss where we were...he didn't even answer and tells, etc.
So....the Boss fight...I started off telling the team we had to make sure we spread out and lookout for his AoE. No one replies. I thought everyone was just gettin prepped...so right as the fight starts all of them group together and die instantly....I go 'wth was that? I stated to look out for his AoE' No reply again. So rinse and repeat this about 10 times (eventually that last member got to us...but kept denying team invites). And in the process one of the members kept pm'n me that he was confused as hell to as to why the rest wasn't folling the basic setup for this STF.
Eventually I just exploded in rage.....hey you guys weren't there
One of them finally went "lol," and that's when I said "Really...? Lol !?" How is this even funny? Do you even read any guides or God forbid, listen?" Another 'lol' and a troll post which made me happily ignore sadi member later I said "Well sorry, hope you guys have fun, but I'm out of here. No point in trying with you people. The leaver penality shall be worth it."
So myself and the other member that at least pm'd me earlier stating how the others were annoying him too, left.
.....I recieved no leaver penalty...
Moral of the story: I should give up on STF's...it's like this ever sinse the "update" to them...got borg tech on 2/4 characters, an aegis on 1/4 and reman on 1/4. Oh well, that's my tale. :cool:
There was a time when the STFs were completely different (and much more unforgiving). Alas, they're long one now. Back then it was the other side of the planet and holding off several waves of Borg a they came through the gate; painful if you didn't know what you were doing but challenging.
Right now though it's either the Sphere (normal) or a Cube (elite).