personally i would love to see a mechanic put in place to convert emblems from dailies into c-store points, its something i've brought up in the past as well. let players earn in-game for what they want in the store.. to me that seems the fairest way really.
I agree, it would also solve the whole stupid sale issue when you've got a weird number of points.
And I bet it would really put a dent into sales, heck, it'd probably boost them
I agree, it would also solve the whole stupid sale issue when you've got a weird number of points.
And I bet it would really put a dent into sales, heck, it'd probably boost them
Unfortunately, they have probably got use to double dipping so to speak, and if they ever did that, they would loose sales. Don't hold your breath, they like the current set up, and the tedious long grinds, just gives people incentive to say"TRIBBLE this" and spend real world cash.
Getting ships done right is a long time coming and with the possibility of custom interiors in the future, there might not be anymore dev incentive to do so.
Yup. Most of the C-store stuff I have scoffed at, but have not been particularly bothered by. That bit with the properly scaled, somewhat more interactive interior really, really bothers me. It has me considering writing this game and the company off for good.
Unfortunately, they have probably got use to double dipping so to speak, and if they ever did that, they would loose sales. Don't hold your breath, they like the current set up, and the tedious long grinds, just gives people incentive to say"TRIBBLE this" and spend real world cash.
1) I really doubt it would put a dent in there sales, in fact, it might increase them.
2) Given the way grinding is done, it would take so long, most people would still just buy it and those that don't would be such a minority they already wouldn't be getting money anyway, except now there is a whole new group of players doing both, and buying more.
That may not be entirely true. There is more competition for companies to buy the broadband now. The cost of equipment has went down you can do a lot more with less equipment than ten years ago. Micro chips almost double in performance every few years. Many more companies sell the equipment. The software now compared to ten years ago is much more efficient. Taking less people and less time to do more work.
They make more money but no one on these boards know how much goes back into the game or in the share holders pocket.
I think that the above-quoted is an important point. The posters who are claiming that:
A) The C-Store is a ripoff. The C-store is necessary to either pay the bills or develop the content.
are engaging in baseless speculation, unless they happen to somehow have come into possession of the financial details related to the game, which is doubtful. The C-store could be a huge profit maker, or it could be barely paying the development costs.
My best advice is, instead of making long-winded threads, just vote with your dollar. If you do not want to support the C-store, do not buy anything. If the financial model of the game really bothers you that much, you should probably save your money and find something else to do with your spare time. I think it is reasonable to hypothesize that the bean-counters at Cryptic pay much closer attention to the money you spend than the threads you post.
seriously if you got an issue with the cstore thats all fine and dandy but why act like such a TRIBBLE to anyone that has or continues to spend money on either Lifeteime sub(cost efficiency) or C-Store items(don't really NEED them). You simply whinged and mouthed off, thats all i see.
I don't really care for the c-store approach myself honestly, but many company's are doing it and regardless of our feelings on the issue i suspect it is going to become the norm. Why? because they've found themselves a cash cow. It has been said that stuff in the cstore WOULD have probly come in anyway.....i seriously doubt that, but what ever.
ya and alll these "Career officers" who spent like 300 bucks *laugh* for full time subscription, are either 1. loaded financially, or 2. defending the fact that they spent 300 bucks on a cryptic game, they obviously haven't played a cryptic game before rofl
Sorry to disappoint you but I'm disabled and living on a fixed income of less than $800. a month. The cost of a lifetime subscription is far cheaper when compared to what I've paid for City of Heroes which I've been playing for the past 7 years.
My lifetime sub here $230.
Monthly sub fees to CoH for 81 months $1215.
Oh and since both STO and City of Heroes were made by Cryptic that blows your "haven't played a Cryptic game before" theory out of the water.
I also have an LTS to CO and since it went F2P I'm getting free C-Store points to buy stuff for STO thus saving me even more money.
But you go ahead and keep paying that monthly sub fee. roflmao.
ya and alll these "Career officers" who spent like 300 bucks *laugh* for full time subscription, are either 1. loaded financially, or 2. defending the fact that they spent 300 bucks on a cryptic game, they obviously haven't played a cryptic game before rofl
Ad hominem is always easier than answering critics directly and coherently.
My gripe isn't about c-store or that I can't afford the items. I could buy every item in the c-store but they are simply not worth their cost. I don't want them enough to grind them because I don't want them at all. I think what they are doing is price gouging.
I think they are way overpriced for whats fair and they are starting to hurt the game. They aren't going to stop selling these outrageously priced ships. People keep claiming that the money goes back in to develop more content but they have no way of knowing how much goes back in the game to Atari, CBS or as profits for the share holders.
Please provide evidence that they are hurting the game.
Clearly they C-Store goods are not overpriced. If they were they would not be selling.
C-Store Money that's used in buying the items from here is FUNNELED back into Cryptic's Content Creation, Cryptic uses this to help pay for the CONTENT we want and need to see ingame erg ships, races, characters, weapons etc. THINK BEFORE you POSTED this "OMG I HATE C-STORE" THREAD jeez christ.
CRYPTIC DOES NOT SCREWS STO PLAYERS. now, THINK back if here was no C-STORE with ITEMS we WANTED and need, they would have not existed in today's STO by now. you better stop with the hate threads it's really annoying to see this kind of thing that HURTS and DAMAGE CRYPTIC's Rep.. BESIDES, CRYPTIC is ONLY one COMPANY that's developing our STO we know today. <.<
C-Store Money that's used in buying the items from here is FUNNELED back into Cryptic's Content Creation, Cryptic uses this to help pay for the CONTENT we want and need to see ingame erg ships, races, characters, weapons etc. THINK BEFORE you POSTED this "OMG I HATE C-STORE" THREAD jeez christ.
CRYPTIC DOES NOT SCREWS STO PLAYERS. now, THINK back if here was no C-STORE with ITEMS we WANTED and need, they would have not existed in today's STO by now. you better stop with the hate threads it's really annoying to see this kind of thing that HURTS and DAMAGE CRYPTIC's Rep.. BESIDES, CRYPTIC is ONLY one COMPANY that's developing our STO we know today. <.<
and to this... Any Moderators, Please Close this Thread right away, that'll be end of this Disscussion.
You've never played the Star Wars Galaxies Trading card game that's advertised in the game, have you?
Just about every SOE has a cash shop, even if it takes another name and gets filtered through a few game mechanics.
I play the SWG TCG regularly.
I was simply stating that not all MMOs rely on cash stores.
The TCG isn't there to sell you in game items for SWG. You actually purchase "cards" to play the "TCG game". The TCG is a game in itself and is in no way a cash strore.
The items you get from the TCG that are redeemable in SWG are "bonus" items you get outside the actual cards for playing the game. The cards are what your purchasing, by the way. On top of that, any items you receive from decks you purchased are tradable to other players.
Another thing you may or may not be aware of is SWG gives every player 10 free packs a month which give you just as much of a chance of a redeemable item as someone who pays for cards.
Despite the mistakes that were made 7 years ago, they still haven't found a need to sell items in game to keep it running. That's all I was pointing out.
Will it last? Who knows.
And I have a feeling SWTOR will be as much of a disappointment at launch as STO was.
I was simply stating that not all MMOs rely on cash stores.
The TCG isn't there to sell you in game items for SWG. You actually purchase "cards" to play the "TCG game". The TCG is a game in itself and is in no way a cash strore.
The items you get from the TCG that are redeemable in SWG are "bonus" items you get outside the actual cards for playing the game. The cards are what your purchasing, by the way. On top of that, any items you receive from decks you purchased are tradable to other players.
Another thing you may or may not be aware of is SWG gives every player 10 free packs a month which give you just as much of a chance of a redeemable item as someone who pays for cards.
Loot cards are items for the game; it's playing another game (and spending money) on a lottery RMT shop.
The TCG isn't there to sell you in game items for SWG. You actually purchase "cards" to play the "TCG game". The TCG is a game in itself and is in no way a cash strore.
The items you get from the TCG that are redeemable in SWG are "bonus" items you get outside the actual cards for playing the game. The cards are what your purchasing, by the way. On top of that, any items you receive from decks you purchased are tradable to other players.
What an entertainingly convoluted justification. It reminds me of how some people were saying that Cryptic shouldn't bother honoring the STO-related commitments it sold to CO lifers because they were 'just bonuses'.
Loot cards are items for the game; it's playing another game (and spending money) on a lottery RMT shop.
Yeah, if you feel like, or you can just wait and maybe get it for free.
Perhaps the C-Store could do that, every month, you could get a little pack of 10 "gifts" kinda like the ones from aid the planet missions with a small chance of a C-Store item.
Or do some kind of in game thing once a month that does that.
Or use emblems to buy one from a vendor that has a small chance of a free C-Store item.
All you have to do is read the comments on the forums in this thread and on the web. Search c-store bing, google these forums.
You don't know how many are selling and there are people saying they're not buying them. An item can be to expensive and some will still buy it.
If the majority of people who buy this aren't on the forums, then the numbers speak for themselves. The fact that quite a few who argue against the Galaxy-X pricing have actually paid for it probably doesn't help their case either.
If the majority of people who buy this aren't on the forums, then the numbers speak for themselves. The fact that quite a few who argue against the Galaxy-X pricing have actually paid for it probably doesn't help their case either.
I can say I'm a proud non-owner of a Galaxy-X.
What numbers? You have absolutely no way of knowing if the majority of c-store users are on the forums or not. You don't know what the numbers are so you don't know what they say.
If the people who bought the Galaxy X are saying it's to expensive that's probably a good indication that it's over priced. They would know more about than the ones who didn't by it.
What numbers? You have absolutely no way of knowing if the majority of c-store users are on the forums or not. You don't know what the numbers are so you don't know what they say.
If the people who bought the Galaxy X are saying it's to expensive that's probably a good indication that it's over priced. They would know more about than the ones who didn't by it.
Considering how few post on the forums and how many people I see flying them in-game, I'd say, if they were overpriced, then the market seems to have acted irregularly.
Considering how few post on the forums and how many people I see flying them in-game, I'd say, if they were overpriced, then the market seems to have acted irregularly.
Granted, it's all anecdotal.
That's all perspective that proves nothing. You don't know how many people use the forums or fly Galaxy X's. You saying you see many people flying them and lots of people flying them. Are to different things and can't determine any market with any accuracy.
ya and alll these "Career officers" who spent like 300 bucks *laugh* for full time subscription, are either 1. loaded financially, or 2. defending the fact that they spent 300 bucks on a cryptic game, they obviously haven't played a cryptic game before rofl
Took me a few months to save up for my life time sub, while I was paying off all my bills on top of it.
That's all perspective that proves nothing. You don't know how many people use the forums or fly Galaxy X's. You saying you see many people flying them and lots of people flying them. Are to different things and can't determine any market with any accuracy.
hence my use of and the very definition of "anecdotal."
I was simply stating that not all MMOs rely on cash stores.
The TCG isn't there to sell you in game items for SWG. You actually purchase "cards" to play the "TCG game". The TCG is a game in itself and is in no way a cash strore.
The items you get from the TCG that are redeemable in SWG are "bonus" items you get outside the actual cards for playing the game. The cards are what your purchasing, by the way. On top of that, any items you receive from decks you purchased are tradable to other players.
Another thing you may or may not be aware of is SWG gives every player 10 free packs a month which give you just as much of a chance of a redeemable item as someone who pays for cards.
Despite the mistakes that were made 7 years ago, they still haven't found a need to sell items in game to keep it running. That's all I was pointing out.
Will it last? Who knows.
And I have a feeling SWTOR will be as much of a disappointment at launch as STO was.
I'll point out that the TCG in Galaxies did more damage to that game than anything since the NGE. It created a phenomenal amount of hate and drove heaven only knows how many players out of the game (of which I am one).
The microtransaction model is the latest stage in the slippery slope. Is it the last one? Who knows, but the online gaming industry is self-immolating. I suspect the end will come sooner rather than later.
It seems the only time I receive emails regarding STO these days is when there's new tat in the C-Store (which I'm never ever ever ever ever going to buy, on general principle).
I bought your stoopid game, now kindly have the decency to finish it and include all sprites, costumes, weapons and whatever else as standard please.
It seems the only time I receive emails regarding STO these days is when there's new tat in the C-Store (which I'm never ever ever ever ever going to buy, on general principle).
I bought your stoopid game, now kindly have the decency to finish it and include all sprites, costumes, weapons and whatever else as standard please.
More than that, you bought it, you're paying them to play it, and they're asking you to pay for the pieces to play it, too.
More than that, you bought it, you're paying them to play it, and they're asking you to pay for the pieces to play it, too.
Don't get me wrong, they've got a right to make money, I just think micro's are by far the most customer-alienating way to do it. Why not instead charge for the expansion packs? I wouldn't have a problem with that.
It's clear nobody's willing to front the money to develop a Star Trek MMO, so they have to do this "give me a dollar and I'll make a new outfit" thing.
C-Store Money that's used in buying the items from here is FUNNELED back into Cryptic's Content Creation, Cryptic uses this to help pay for the CONTENT we want and need to see ingame erg ships, races, characters, weapons etc. THINK BEFORE you POSTED this "OMG I HATE C-STORE" THREAD jeez christ.
CRYPTIC DOES NOT SCREWS STO PLAYERS. now, THINK back if here was no C-STORE with ITEMS we WANTED and need, they would have not existed in today's STO by now. you better stop with the hate threads it's really annoying to see this kind of thing that HURTS and DAMAGE CRYPTIC's Rep.. BESIDES, CRYPTIC is ONLY one COMPANY that's developing our STO we know today. <.<
I m sorry but you have no idea of what they are doing with the C store revenue...
2 scenarios come into my mind
1 they need this extra revenue to keep the STO boat afloat... it s call surviving
2 they use the C store to make more money by keeping the same amount of staff. it s call profit
their explanation of the C store brings more stuff to the game does not make sense cause we haven t seen the dev team getting bigger or content coming faster with a C store fully loaded.
Since the team who made the TOS package are not making direct playable content (they are artists) they are making other stuff...fair enough... however in this case they could have worked on fixing the already present in game bridges, interiors, uniforms etc...which are all far to be perfect or even insulting(see the Intrepid bridge) But no they decided to make something bright and shiny available through the C store.( and i just can t remember that many players asking for TOS interiors prior to the official announcement)
It s call having priorities. Shall i remind you that Mr Stahl stated he had Sales goals...if he can t make them through Subs he s got to find other ways to reach them.
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I agree, it would also solve the whole stupid sale issue when you've got a weird number of points.
And I bet it would really put a dent into sales, heck, it'd probably boost them
Unfortunately, they have probably got use to double dipping so to speak, and if they ever did that, they would loose sales. Don't hold your breath, they like the current set up, and the tedious long grinds, just gives people incentive to say"TRIBBLE this" and spend real world cash.
Yup. Most of the C-store stuff I have scoffed at, but have not been particularly bothered by. That bit with the properly scaled, somewhat more interactive interior really, really bothers me. It has me considering writing this game and the company off for good.
1) I really doubt it would put a dent in there sales, in fact, it might increase them.
2) Given the way grinding is done, it would take so long, most people would still just buy it and those that don't would be such a minority they already wouldn't be getting money anyway, except now there is a whole new group of players doing both, and buying more.
I think that the above-quoted is an important point. The posters who are claiming that:
A) The C-Store is a ripoff.
are engaging in baseless speculation, unless they happen to somehow have come into possession of the financial details related to the game, which is doubtful. The C-store could be a huge profit maker, or it could be barely paying the development costs.
My best advice is, instead of making long-winded threads, just vote with your dollar. If you do not want to support the C-store, do not buy anything. If the financial model of the game really bothers you that much, you should probably save your money and find something else to do with your spare time. I think it is reasonable to hypothesize that the bean-counters at Cryptic pay much closer attention to the money you spend than the threads you post.
seriously if you got an issue with the cstore thats all fine and dandy but why act like such a TRIBBLE to anyone that has or continues to spend money on either Lifeteime sub(cost efficiency) or C-Store items(don't really NEED them). You simply whinged and mouthed off, thats all i see.
Sorry to disappoint you but I'm disabled and living on a fixed income of less than $800. a month. The cost of a lifetime subscription is far cheaper when compared to what I've paid for City of Heroes which I've been playing for the past 7 years.
My lifetime sub here $230.
Monthly sub fees to CoH for 81 months $1215.
Oh and since both STO and City of Heroes were made by Cryptic that blows your "haven't played a Cryptic game before" theory out of the water.
I also have an LTS to CO and since it went F2P I'm getting free C-Store points to buy stuff for STO thus saving me even more money.
But you go ahead and keep paying that monthly sub fee. roflmao.
Ad hominem is always easier than answering critics directly and coherently.
Please provide evidence that they are hurting the game.
Clearly they C-Store goods are not overpriced. If they were they would not be selling.
CRYPTIC DOES NOT SCREWS STO PLAYERS. now, THINK back if here was no C-STORE with ITEMS we WANTED and need, they would have not existed in today's STO by now. you better stop with the hate threads it's really annoying to see this kind of thing that HURTS and DAMAGE CRYPTIC's Rep.. BESIDES, CRYPTIC is ONLY one COMPANY that's developing our STO we know today. <.<
and to this... Any Moderators, Please Close this Thread right away, that'll be end of this Disscussion.
I play the SWG TCG regularly.
I was simply stating that not all MMOs rely on cash stores.
The TCG isn't there to sell you in game items for SWG. You actually purchase "cards" to play the "TCG game". The TCG is a game in itself and is in no way a cash strore.
The items you get from the TCG that are redeemable in SWG are "bonus" items you get outside the actual cards for playing the game. The cards are what your purchasing, by the way. On top of that, any items you receive from decks you purchased are tradable to other players.
Another thing you may or may not be aware of is SWG gives every player 10 free packs a month which give you just as much of a chance of a redeemable item as someone who pays for cards.
Despite the mistakes that were made 7 years ago, they still haven't found a need to sell items in game to keep it running. That's all I was pointing out.
Will it last? Who knows.
And I have a feeling SWTOR will be as much of a disappointment at launch as STO was.
Loot cards are items for the game; it's playing another game (and spending money) on a lottery RMT shop.
What an entertainingly convoluted justification. It reminds me of how some people were saying that Cryptic shouldn't bother honoring the STO-related commitments it sold to CO lifers because they were 'just bonuses'.
Are you in Marketing by any chance?
All you have to do is read the comments on the forums in this thread and on the web. Search c-store bing, google these forums.
You don't know how many are selling and there are people saying they're not buying them. An item can be to expensive and some will still buy it.
Yeah, if you feel like, or you can just wait and maybe get it for free.
Perhaps the C-Store could do that, every month, you could get a little pack of 10 "gifts" kinda like the ones from aid the planet missions with a small chance of a C-Store item.
Or do some kind of in game thing once a month that does that.
Or use emblems to buy one from a vendor that has a small chance of a free C-Store item.
If the majority of people who buy this aren't on the forums, then the numbers speak for themselves. The fact that quite a few who argue against the Galaxy-X pricing have actually paid for it probably doesn't help their case either.
I can say I'm a proud non-owner of a Galaxy-X.
What numbers? You have absolutely no way of knowing if the majority of c-store users are on the forums or not. You don't know what the numbers are so you don't know what they say.
If the people who bought the Galaxy X are saying it's to expensive that's probably a good indication that it's over priced. They would know more about than the ones who didn't by it.
Considering how few post on the forums and how many people I see flying them in-game, I'd say, if they were overpriced, then the market seems to have acted irregularly.
Granted, it's all anecdotal.
That's all perspective that proves nothing. You don't know how many people use the forums or fly Galaxy X's. You saying you see many people flying them and lots of people flying them. Are to different things and can't determine any market with any accuracy.
Took me a few months to save up for my life time sub, while I was paying off all my bills on top of it.
I made a thread about it, I'd love to know how you think it should be changed or left alone
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hence my use of and the very definition of "anecdotal."
I'll point out that the TCG in Galaxies did more damage to that game than anything since the NGE. It created a phenomenal amount of hate and drove heaven only knows how many players out of the game (of which I am one).
The microtransaction model is the latest stage in the slippery slope. Is it the last one? Who knows, but the online gaming industry is self-immolating. I suspect the end will come sooner rather than later.
It seems the only time I receive emails regarding STO these days is when there's new tat in the C-Store (which I'm never ever ever ever ever going to buy, on general principle).
I bought your stoopid game, now kindly have the decency to finish it and include all sprites, costumes, weapons and whatever else as standard please.
More than that, you bought it, you're paying them to play it, and they're asking you to pay for the pieces to play it, too.
It's clear nobody's willing to front the money to develop a Star Trek MMO, so they have to do this "give me a dollar and I'll make a new outfit" thing.
Such a letdown.
I m sorry but you have no idea of what they are doing with the C store revenue...
2 scenarios come into my mind
1 they need this extra revenue to keep the STO boat afloat... it s call surviving
2 they use the C store to make more money by keeping the same amount of staff. it s call profit
their explanation of the C store brings more stuff to the game does not make sense cause we haven t seen the dev team getting bigger or content coming faster with a C store fully loaded.
Since the team who made the TOS package are not making direct playable content (they are artists) they are making other stuff...fair enough... however in this case they could have worked on fixing the already present in game bridges, interiors, uniforms etc...which are all far to be perfect or even insulting(see the Intrepid bridge) But no they decided to make something bright and shiny available through the C store.( and i just can t remember that many players asking for TOS interiors prior to the official announcement)
It s call having priorities. Shall i remind you that Mr Stahl stated he had Sales goals...if he can t make them through Subs he s got to find other ways to reach them.