Pk'ing on a PvP Server [Update]

killeresras wrote: »

I don't understand why people don't like pvp. If someone attacks me while im questing them I just say, "whatever it's just another mob for me to kill". Why do people want things to be so easy? It's so much funner when we are given challenges and hey you can even get friends to help to kill this "mob".

They just don't like it and that, in my opinion, doesn't need any justification or explanation. Whether it's good to have PvE servers in this game or not (considering the original version is all PvP) doesn't matter since people are offered the choice of playing on a PvE server and they shouldn't be forced to PvP or be in PK mode to play the game's content except for events which are optional. The convoy is arguably an optional quest but, like I mentioned, the Lycaeum isn't really optional (there is no other way to get Feral Soul Stars).

There are some people that choose the PvE servers for a reason so you can't just dismiss their opinion and/or concerns with "lol pk mode is not a big deal" but like I said, I do not sympathize with those that complain and rage for being killed in PK mode even if they did it just for the quests/Lycaeum.

I suppose its kinda ironic because I do play on a PvE server, although my reasons for sticking on this server had more to do with friends and less with what kind of server it is and this also doesn't bother me since I'm in PK mode at all times (unless I bot with my main). My post is also not directed at you, the person I quoted, but I'm using it as reference.

However, Azura's point is right..the chances of things being fixed/modified for the PvE servers are very low considering how many other PvP enabled "bugs" have been around since the beginning and never been addressed.

Domethies - Raging Tide wrote: »

Why not just tell that person to go blue name if they dont want to be killed? b:avoid

Ok..u want me to say like: sorry all tt99/g15/g16..u cant go PK mode.. because there will be r9rr+12 CS who will kill u NON STOP.. sorry guys u cant have fun in this game ;D because some just wanna bully others for no reason

sounds good enough?

I would understand if they wanna PK for fun- go west o.o ppl are actually asking- can some1 come west and have fun..but nooooooo
those r9rr+12 CS go primal world..search for ppl and hunt them down.


Every1 come in game to have fun- not being harassed and used as test subject to check how high crit would casher would hit ;D


But yah, i hope CM will deal with it

Domethies - Raging Tide wrote: »

b:surrender my mystic has been in pk mode since lvl 30 its now lvl 80 and yes, i do get killed by the elite few, but my mystic is still in pk mode, and you dont see me complaining about getting killed by r9s

r u chased down and killed on sight countless times?
more than 4-5 times

LadyOya - Raging Tide wrote: »

You did complain about it b:laugh

Remember I came to see if I could help you because a higher level player was killing your mystic while in pk mode?

Did you forget about that?

b:laugh only complained cause he stealthed off so i didnt get the chance of revenge b:cry still havnt found him again b:chuckle

and for the record i just did tiger event and must of been pk'd about 12 times but meh, i have sl on so idc b:victory

This is why I consider this clarification from sparkiesoft to be so valuable.

Inb4 people question the gear standard of me and my opponents (only assurance I can give is much of Harshlands can attest that I die quick when I actually -take- damage; I'm +8 orns and armors, and several times you'll see my charm ticking and there's one BRIEF window where the archer hits me 4.5k in white voodoo to give you an idea how quickly I WILL go down if you simply catch me without a shield up, otherwise I actually did a pretty good job there of keeping a resistance or charm up at all times if I do say so myself, so I take low damage)

That aside... I think any experienced PKer will look at that, see mistakes made by opponents and see a total lack of coordination and think that's just inexcuseable. Any experienced player can tell you numbers are key, because even the most poorly geared veno can purge, even the most poorly geared cleric can heal, and even the most poorly geared sin can CC. I state in that video exactly what needed to happen: archer needed to attack, veno needed to follow in with purge, and that's that. It happened I believe a grand total of once and then I think the archer just completely abandoned the scenario cuz scurred.


This is why I camp these people. Yes, for entertainment because it's a game, and I'm sorry if you think I'm a ****, but I play to have fun. You not having fun? I'm sure you can log off and play a single-player game for a bit.
But aside from that I constantly feel like there's a large playerbase that hides behind the excuse of ticketing to never bother trying to improve, and that's the results. I go to the quest spots NOT to be a **** and not out of pure schadenfreude, but because it's the only place where I feel I can FORCE players to actually try and fight back and FORCE them to realize their mistakes. If I do this at Silver pool, the result is they all go home. If I do this in Primal, I get a fight every time. Yes, some remain derp, but hey I get entertainment so that's cool. Others? Others actually -do- improve and then the competition on the server grows more interesting because of it.


So that's why I love this post. Before it's always the same: "I TICKET U!!" and that's the go-to excuse before they end up PURPOSEFULLY taking gears off to try and bait me into killing them. Dunno if this qualifies as naming and shaming so forgive me if it does, but I personally think it deserves to be said and this attitude DESERVES shame in that the barb in SZ who never comes out (turned on fraps halfway through, he was done by then) had done JUST that. He legit took his gear off, I noticed he died to a single DoT tick, I got PMed "good, only need one more kill from you for a ticket," and (mind you I'm not afraid to kill him again) to make sure I was seeing things right, I melee'd him with my soulsphere and sure enough got a third of his health or so.
THEN it gets funny because some guys started ganking me at that moment so I stopped and never killed him. I had to go kill all the people on me so didn't have time to melee some naked barb who wasn't fighting back. You know what he does? He STILL, after a delay, PMs me saying "ok that'll do" all angry and ready to ticket me, as if he were disappointed and angry I didn't kill there. I'm sorry, but I find this absolutely childish. Stop reacting to losing a fight by trying to get anyone who temporarily shatters your illusion of grandeur permanently banned from interacting with your world.
In life, you meet people who challenge who you are, how you think and all your opinions. If you can't function under those settings, you're looking forward to a hard life. In this game, you'll meet players that challenge your skill and experience. If you can't handle the occassional failure, learn from it and improve, then in my opinion you deserve to have the snot beat out of you in game because you and your childish attitude are responsible for your poor skill.

And if you truly don't want to PK? Try asking nicely. I promise you PKers aren't the evil demons people try to paint them as; they're people enjoying a game for just that: a game. They log into game thinking "what is the purpose of this game? To provide me with entertainment in my free time" so they seek entertainment at all costs. Some of us enjoy competition, thus, we PK. Doesn't mean if I get a TRULY polite person asking for a pass, I'll say no. Hell, I DID let someone pass right before the video starts for just that reason.



But yeah, that's my take on it. Am I the only one who can distinctly remember times in high school where the teacher asked a question, I eagerly raised my hand all proud I had the answer, then my answer was dumb as rocks? I remember those: those are the questions and facts I remember in great detail to this day: my failures led me to never forget those things again. That's what this is, that's what many PKers do. I merely want to force people to improve because I want better competition, nothing more. And thanks to this sticky thread, the amount of blatant "I'MMA TICKET U!1!1" threats has gone down and PK resistance has gone up. Don't feed the PK victims, don't let them think they're entitled victims; that attitude just kills competition to a degree. But when I upload a video like this or my last one? You better believe the players involved notice their mistakes, never forget them cause I've called them out like this, and then they improve.

If you are on a pve server and you don't want to participate in pvp then do not go white name.

Why not just tell that person to go blue name if they don't want to be killed?

You completely missing the point of the problem. People have problem because they cant do QUEST which is far as I know against TOS. Problem is that you stand at caravan spawn point and you get 5-6 people (constantly same one) who comes there just to kill people who standing there just to do quest.

Don't give me that **** "its just 100 vitae cause its not, its 100 vitae + average 3 mil exp! which you get for few min". If that is nothing, then I don't see the point of those "few elite pkers" to go there in first place, cause for sure they don't need that quest, so again they are just there to kill people that waiting for quest and that is harassment.

Since those few people coming from the same faction normal thing would be to address problem to the faction officers and they should solve the problem and non of this qqing would happen, but unfortunately they don't care. Thats why people started to take SS and send tickets.

Personally idc if someone qqing when being white name and get killed, ofc thats your choice if you are in pk mode...and I agree with statement that people here freely walking white name and expect that is normal and no one should attack them which is silly.

But just to come to spawn caravan spot because you KNOW there will be white name kill and walk away... sorry for me thats against TOS cause its attention harassment which prevents you to do quest. What makes it even worst is that most people that standing there (including me) have protection on white name people because I don't want to aoe someone by accident. I'm there to kill mobs not the people around. So it so cool when you get one shot while waiting for quest and you cant even defend yourself.

So please stop advising us not to go white name, and instead maybe explain those people how lame is to go to quest spawn spot just to kill people there. Is that what makes you pker? Is that something that some respectfull pker should do? Its plain and simple lame move from lame people who attentionally harassing others and that doesn't have anything to do with pvp.

Temptatio/V - Dreamweaver wrote: »

You completely missing the point of the problem.

As far as im concerned the issue should be "the quest requires pk, please fix so pk isnt required" but instead its more of a "this quest requires pk, please ban everyone who pk there". The only pk thingy ive ever agreed that the threat of a ban was called for, was when lvl 100+ would sit in secret passage and wait for lowbies to kill and then harrass those players. And to tell the truth, i was one of the lvl 100s that was in sp HOWEVER, i went there to pk with my friends without any penaltys that pk has, gear shattering, items dropping etc but if a lowbie's stray arrow hit me for whatever reason, they will get a stray axe back at them but i wouldnt attack them first.

So yeah imo if your on a pvp server quit complaining, and if your on a pve server and dont want to be killed dont do it and just wait for a possible fix. ive lvled just fine without doing itb:chuckle

these days PK is all about revenge ..nothing fun in there anymore

In other games i used to play there was a rule- if u pk same person more than 5 times in an hour- its taken as harassment

If both players r just having fun, its fine

Seriously tho, people who complain should not go white, and they should maybe refrain from playing mmos in the first place, fps and arcade games does exist for people who can't take it..

Temptatio/V - Dreamweaver wrote: »

You completely missing the point of the problem. People have problem because they cant do QUEST which is far as I know against TOS. Problem is that you stand at caravan spawn point and you get 5-6 people (constantly same one) who comes there just to kill people who standing there just to do quest.

Don't give me that **** "its just 100 vitae cause its not, its 100 vitae + average 3 mil exp! which you get for few min". If that is nothing, then I don't see the point of those "few elite pkers" to go there in first place, cause for sure they don't need that quest, so again they are just there to kill people that waiting for quest and that is harassment.

Since those few people coming from the same faction normal thing would be to address problem to the faction officers and they should solve the problem and non of this qqing would happen, but unfortunately they don't care. Thats why people started to take SS and send tickets.

Personally idc if someone qqing when being white name and get killed, ofc thats your choice if you are in pk mode...and I agree with statement that people here freely walking white name and expect that is normal and no one should attack them which is silly.

But just to come to spawn caravan spot because you KNOW there will be white name kill and walk away... sorry for me thats against TOS cause its attention harassment which prevents you to do quest. What makes it even worst is that most people that standing there (including me) have protection on white name people because I don't want to aoe someone by accident. I'm there to kill mobs not the people around. So it so cool when you get one shot while waiting for quest and you cant even defend yourself.

So please stop advising us not to go white name, and instead maybe explain those people how lame is to go to quest spawn spot just to kill people there. Is that what makes you pker? Is that something that some respectfull pker should do? Its plain and simple lame move from lame people who attentionally harassing others and that doesn't have anything to do with pvp.

so basically you create your own problem by continuing to go there and get frustrated.
how about avoiding the problem and do something that gives you the same reward in the same amount of time without any anger and frustration? fc for example.

its like me starting a fight with the cool kids sitting at the end of the bus, because i like their seats the most... every single day.

RankNine - Momaganon wrote: »

its like me starting a fight with the cool kids sitting at the end of the bus, because i like their seats the most... every single day.

lol cool kids
and no Its more like..U just go to school walking in hall, minding ur own business and then come the *cool kids* smack u, push u idk throw away ur books xD..every single hour...every single day ;D

So since they harass u..u should not go to school?

Like here in DW ppl minding their own business..killing mobs for quest and then see 3 r9rr+12 guys running at u..and kill u..u go again..and they kill u again

So only because of few jerks u should stop PK- since u do it actually for fun..not sport -as hunt down ppl for fun

Temptatio/V - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Did you just seriously sad that we created problem?!?!?

And how about not run way from "cool kids" and just submit ticket and see can "cool kids" do w/e they want. But guess for you is better to run then to stand up for yourself.

I agree submit ticket. I hope CM wont care that those r hard core cashers mostly..and that they will punish them to understand that they cant do anything what comes in their minds.


Funny thing, now that people start sending tickets, no one been complaining anymore in WC.. and seems that those few ppl who loved to bully others, cant be seen much around there ;O


Remember Pk is supposed to be fun for both sides

Heartz - Dreamweaver wrote: »

oh we are around, but most of the cry babies has went blue now. But it's funny, we die = we comment in fac chat and get help. other faction die = qq in wc and harass in pms lol.

I understand ur hate to dyna..and some other members to dyna and tempest (i heard they had probs with u guys too)
Maybe yes most went - blue names- cuz they dont want trouble with other faction or drama

Point is.

What did all those tt99/g15/g16 (in other smaller factions)..what did they do to u?
Do they deserve to be chased down? Killed on sight when try to do quest? No..
I talked to few of them in whisper, they even said that officer answer was like- if u r noob dont go PK (really?) every1 deserve to have fun in game not just cashers
They been talking to guild leader and as they said- he was really polite and understanding..but officers-not so much

I hope they all send tickets (5 of them who I talk to said they will) and i hope those who harassed them will get banned (1-2 weeks, maybe ppl will learn then)


If u want PK..why dont u guys do it for fun? (i know its fun for u to bully but i meant fun for both side)
What is there was an event, where dyna/relic/tempest/more ppl who love to PK..would make a tourney? for fun..in mixed groups..not gathers on their own and then hunt down other guild member 1 by 1.

Ppl are asking in WC to come PK for fun at West..why no1 goes there anymore but instead-lets pk and revenge on other guild who we hate (as it seems)

Idk if you will bother reading this all, and probably you wont care either but meh...there r many who might

If that doesnt work ..well i hope PWI will make rule: you cant pk same person more than 5 times a day (which was rule in other game i played, and all ppl who went ppl were respectful.)
Unless Pk is well..fun for both players

Lets all be friendly and have fun in game ;D

sparkiesoft wrote: »

If it gets to the point that you are killing someone continually, non-stop, then we will consider it harassment, PvP server or not.

+1

RankNine - Momaganon wrote: »

wrong. normal school = blue name @pve server.

nobody forces you to go white named, if you do, deal with the consequences. but i guess i can talk to a wall here.

Lol i dont go pk. I care for those who got harassed.
In all school there r bully xD if u dont see it, doesnt mean it doesnt happen. but that off topic ;D

Like i said before- hope CM will do something ;D

U are the person who just dont care...some in here does and agree with CM/GM

RankNine - Momaganon wrote: »

wrong. normal school = blue name @pve server.

nobody forces you to go white named, if you do, deal with the consequences. but i guess i can talk to a wall here..

Learn from this guy , 1 time dead ,now his 24/7 blue name b:cute

And for the topic,gm said to you its allowded to kill same player few times ,so its kinda 2-3-10 times ? nobody knows what that few means b:surrender. and i kill anything white mooving on my server and dont really bother looking who it is or to whitch faction it belongs xDb:kiss

PREIIST - Morai wrote: »

And for the topic,gm said to you its allowded to kill same player few times ,so its kinda 2-3-10 times ? nobody knows what that few means b:surrender.

my guess is 20-30 times??? lol ;o as long as you explain the situation and the GMs actually deem it harassment enough.

dunno why some pple keep on insisting, in a ball "suck it up, its PK"
its like they never actually read sparkies first post to begin with lol...........
thee judgement hammer has already been cast down b:cool