Remove Purify Proc: Y/N. We had it coming!

Hannsel - Dreamweaver wrote: »

currently HA=non purify user, AA=purify user. thx for confirming though.
short of getting a pocket cleric or purify axes (lol), i dont see HA pulling off such feats involving undergeared harems. i disagree on nerfing PS because of this, any proc/skill/feature which is balanced at equal gears shouldn't be tempered with to suit the lesser geared.

just nitpicking the last point HA outDD AA in tt farming, seekers outDD them in zhen with vortex. while not pvp scenarios they are circumstances where HA outperform AA

Azura - Lost City wrote: »

So your smart arguments comes down to a simple whim. Your wish to have heavy armor users on the top, because you want to. Too bad your opinion isn't the same as the people who make this game, right?

Since all your argument is based on what your personal believes, then there is nothing to talk to you. I guess keep qqing.

That's where you're wrong, I have a legitimate question. It is not on a whim I ask why arcanes should be on top for that situation, but rather a question of balance. Speaking of whims, it is you who seems to dismiss what I say or ask solely because of a whim, because you're unable to form a proper argument and that's what's most convenient.

However, since I'm a really nice guy I'm gonna tell you some advices:

1: If some class is proven to be actually really weak, China will eventually give you something new. Yes, they will give you something new, not take away anything to anyone.
Example: http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1529051
Yes I'm aware. Just waiting on my own class to become the thing people complain about. Notice that I didn't use the term QQ.

2: Accept things as they are, and in NW, work with your team to take down those sneeaky r9-3 flag wielders.

I've accepted how things are, but as I stated earlier that doesn't mean they should remain as they are nor that I can't want change.

3: Envy is not a positive feeling. Instead of focusing on what you don't have, focus on what you have.

Jealousy has nothing to do with it. Petty emotions like that contribute nothing to the discussion, just like accusing someone of the emotion in question.

f:farewellf:farewellf:farewell

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

"Under no circumstance should Arcanes have the potential to outperform melee when it comes to survival unless participating in PvE contect intended for magic users only. "

Says who?

So you're saying Arcanes should do more damage than Melee while also surviving better under those conditions? Gee, doesn't that just make sense.

"However that does not justify the degree to which it affects PvP under that level when adding a cooldown could very well change that without hindering higher level PvP in the slightest assuming the arcanes in question are competent at what they do."

Again asserting you know something about end game PvP. Adding a cooldown would definitely hinder "higher level PvP".. saying otherwise is absolute nonsense. I actually just watched one of your videos (1v1ing some terribad sin), and can very safely say you are absolute shet in PvP. I was originally giving you the benefit of the doubt and hoping it was just a gear issue, but you fit under the both category (noob gear and noob player). I just can't get over those random leaps.. I'm still laughing several mins after the video ended.

Tell me, if you're being focus fired would Purify really save you unless it chain proc'd? The answer here is no. It'll have more to do with use of genie/apo than Purify Spell activating to save you. Allowing it to still activate will save you at some point but adding a cooldown will keep it from doing so over and over potentially. If it doesn't proc that often in group then again, giving it a cooldown won't hinder you greatly. Do tell me how a cooldown would actually hurt you, rather than going on and on about how I'm not at end game. Give an actual reason instead of hiding behind that.

"You ask me if it's unbalanced in group PvP at end game levels, I gave you my answer. Now answer my question, how is Purify Spell balanced at lower levels and why should arcanes be allowed to survive better than an equally geared heavy armor under such a situation?"

The concept of balance doesn't even make sense when people are of two different gear levels, they are not supposed to be "balanced". The reason you get a new tier of gear is to gain an advantage over the older tier.. the magnitude of that advantage is not yours to decide. As to your other question about an arcane surviving better than a HA in certain situations.. what's the problem?

Yet again, you fail to understand. You claim you do, yet you twist what I say and try to make it seem as if you comprehend the point I'm trying to get across. You do not succeed. I answered your question in the first part of my post, I won't do so again.

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

Last I checked barbs have the highest DPH potential in game, melee certainly have higher dps than most casters (excluding extremely squishy channel builds).. all melee have ways to purge, have better control skills, better ability to tank damage (aren't forced to kite) etc etc.

With one skill that has a nice long cooldown and a nice high spark requirement. DPS is ineffectual in group PvP. You claim that I'm bad yet think to even suggest Melee having a DPS advantage when that advantage isn't useable in anything but 1v1 PvP or that rare time where they aren't under heavy fire? Arcanes aren't forced to kite, they simply do so to survive better. Melee has that option, but it would make them unable to deal damage, however sometimes for one to survive they have to kite like an Arcane does from time to time. Arcanes have the average highest DPH, and they far outnumber melee classes.

Yes, purify can save you without chain proc (which you contradict yourself with btw). If you can't figure out how a cd on proc could be worked around/abused, you don't deserve to figure it out. This is basic stuff.

Oh I'm well aware that it can save you without chain procing, which is why I stated that the cooldown wouldn't be as horrible as you seem to think. Thank you for actually agreeing with me on that note. I'm aware a cd could be worked around/abused, however there are many things already abused in order to land kills. People wait on genies, charms, and defense charms or tick them without wasting their vital skills in order to use them later. After those utilities have been used. Purify Spell would be no different in that people would try to find a way to bypass it, it's a defense measure to be bypassed if possible. People try to do that now, though it's not nearly as effective as they'd like it to be. Just because it could be abused doesn't mean it wouldn't be better than it is now, seeing as that would still take effort and people would still be forced to wait around for it or waste resources on ticking it while you can blast away.

You are not a "good" bm by any stretch of the imagination... LOL Describing you as "bad" really doesn't even do justice.

Your opinion, though wrong, is yours. I already stated that I don't care about it and as such I do not care to try to change it.

Zheii - Archosaur wrote: »

Different story on a server he does play though... cough cough, Haha I'm joking, but seriously guys chill a lil' Adroit, Zambie, I dun' wanna have to send you both to the naughty corner again, this time, it'll be for longer than 5 minutes too!