Main Discussion about NW pricing and effect on game

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  • hotaru5123
    hotaru5123 Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    you ppl realise that this will became like any private server,wher you can have high lvl gear in metter of days. Very nice this update killed nirvana and the liltle fun that was left in the game, with itb:irritated
  • The_owner - Lost City
    The_owner - Lost City Posts: 177 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    I'm okay with this. This helps me out

    I been sporting HH90 Pants, and hh90 gold bracers since 2009, and i been here since the first week of PWI, kinda syas a lil bit, not much time for me to play. Big break:) now maybe i can have my nirvana gear and even be a moar OP wiz.
  • SashaGray - Heavens Tear
    SashaGray - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,765 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Something tells me they wouldnt have added the mysterious old man to all the cities just to make him obselete
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  • Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear
    Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,864 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Something tells me they wouldnt have added the mysterious old man to all the cities just to make him obselete

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  • StarStrukkk - Heavens Tear
    StarStrukkk - Heavens Tear Posts: 43 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    You just ****ed everyone over :)

    Only people who are happy about the change are the people who can't farm their own ****, or are useless in general, and can't accomplish anything with any sort of hard work.
    Thanks for teaching people that you can be useless and still get somewhere.

    You won't be making as much money as you used too either, coz you just shat on everyone who spends money on the game. Enjoy your company falling.

    Game over.
  • Transcend - Lost City
    Transcend - Lost City Posts: 448 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    I like how PWI's GMs don't know how tokens will be handed out, it's like they don't test their content before release. But.. If this does crash the nv market I'm all for it because pvp grinding > nv/pve grinding any day.
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  • DeffyNature - Archosaur
    DeffyNature - Archosaur Posts: 1,400 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    So gtfo, leave, find a new game to enjoy and stop being a whiny b***h ... ffs everyone should stop playing and move on once they stop enjoying a game...games are for entertainment, when that stops, move on!
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  • Euthymius - Heavens Tear
    Euthymius - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,162 Arc User
    edited November 2012
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  • KrittyCat - Dreamweaver
    KrittyCat - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,273 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Now THIS is what I call an APS nerf.b:chuckle

    All joking aside... They finally have introduced a method by which acquiring end-game gear was made fair for everyone.

    Kudos, PWE.

    Also, I believe Asty may have been referring to refining and sharding...
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  • StarStrukkk - Heavens Tear
    StarStrukkk - Heavens Tear Posts: 43 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    So gtfo, leave, find a new game to enjoy and stop being a whiny b***h ... ffs everyone should stop playing and move on once they stop enjoying a game...games are for entertainment, when that stops, move on!

    What do you think my point is? ******.
  • fallingstars125
    fallingstars125 Posts: 9 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Meh, pretty sure everyones qqing by now. If u arnt, u havnt felt what its like to lose so much coin in a few mins, that or i agree to what op said. Many who are happy nvr did nirvana but are now handed what we fought for during months. So ye, i understand anyone raging at this point. Cheap trick in economy change:) people who spent time or even bought s3r9 was really fooled thinking theyd b different if they worked/paid for it.
  • StarStrukkk - Heavens Tear
    StarStrukkk - Heavens Tear Posts: 43 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    meh, Pretty Sure Everyones Qqing By Now. If U Arnt, U Havnt Felt What Its Like To Lose So Much Coin In A Few Mins, That Or I Agree To What He Said. Many Who Are Happy Nvr Did Nirvana But Are Now Handed What We Fought For During Months. So Ye, I Understand Anyone Raging At This Point.
    thank You
  • HyperNoob - Sanctuary
    HyperNoob - Sanctuary Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Great now u only need to do nation wars for ur gear.
    Good for lazy ppl. b:bye
    And sorry for the european and down under players b:avoid
  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Also, I believe Asty may have been referring to refining and sharding...

    Nah more than that. More nirv mats = more demand for Essence of Defense / Offense so prices go up.
    Cheaper warsoul mats = more demand for cube necks so cogs from cube of fate get more value.
    People are going to need more lunar and TT mats for a wave of G16 gear and more demand for G16 services from running warsong.

    The game is just going to shift to other instances (most of which require long forgotten classes like clerics and barbs).
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  • KrittyCat - Dreamweaver
    KrittyCat - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,273 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Great now u only need to do nation wars for ur gear.
    Good for lazy ppl. b:bye
    And sorry for the european and down under players b:avoid

    The mats will be cheaper, even if the players can't attend the wars themselves.
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  • Deceptistar - Sanctuary
    Deceptistar - Sanctuary Posts: 10,454 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Meh, pretty sure everyones qqing by now. If u arnt, u havnt felt what its like to lose so much coin in a few mins, that or i agree to what op said. Many who are happy nvr did nirvana but are now handed what we fought for during months. So ye, i understand anyone raging at this point. Cheap trick in economy change:) people who spent time or even bought s3r9 was really fooled thinking theyd b different if they worked/paid for it.
    you only hear alot of QQs cause those that complain are vocal about it. That is the forums, you hear more complaints than praise. Most of the pple who like it are engrossed in the game already. Like someone said in another thread, alot of pple are happy ingame than they are unhappy on the forums.
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  • Nareeah - Lost City
    Nareeah - Lost City Posts: 81 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    well if they do decide to change it they will do a server re-roll
    also
    farewell PWI
    you can go suck it
    game is worth nothing without is playerbase and yours will be burning the ship before they abbandon it
    GG b:bye
  • Jaabg - Sanctuary
    Jaabg - Sanctuary Posts: 2,256 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Meh, pretty sure everyones qqing by now. If u arnt, u havnt felt what its like to lose so much coin in a few mins, that or i agree to what op said. Many who are happy nvr did nirvana but are now handed what we fought for during months. So ye, i understand anyone raging at this point. Cheap trick in economy change:) people who spent time or even bought s3r9 was really fooled thinking theyd b different if they worked/paid for it.
    thank You

    I can understand the hurt, but it's not end of the world. Sure things will become super cheap. Back in the day things did cost 5~100k to get, people still played back at that time. People still play now. If people made an aps toon just to farm vana and spent 400~900m on that toon, well, it's painful, but life is like that. I made a bm as my main, and a sin to give bp, but i rarely go on vana runs, other than helping out on 99keys for friends. I have always stated in my previous posts going back a year. There is more to pwi than simply doing Vana, FCC, TT. If people fail to accept what that means, this game never really shone for you sadly.

    I am just worried about josd prices b:chuckle, my r9 3rd cast awaits me.
  • Zanir - Lothranis
    Zanir - Lothranis Posts: 106 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    It doesn't matter, you don't completely replace an instance in a matter of 2 hours. That's just bad form on PWEs' part.

    I believe change is good and I welcome it, but this was a bit overkill.

    People are pissed and have a right to be, some people can't afford to cash shop enough to buy R9 and +10/12 it with full JoSDs so Nirvana gear was their end game stuff. Then 3rd cast came along and it was comparable, but not entirely equal to, R9 stuff. Best part was you couldn't CS it, it had to be farmed.

    People felt a sense of accomplishment from getting those weapons and armor pieces and now in a matter of minutes after Nation Wars are over people are running around in full sets of 2nd cast Nirv stuff or linking G16 weapons/armor that they had molds for just sitting in bank with no desire to even use due to being lazy as hell and not wanting to go farm for their stuff.

    Do you not see it as being a slap in the face? I sure as hell do. Really wishing I had never spent a dime on this game at this point (not that I spent much anyways).
  • viktorbg
    viktorbg Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    The best update ever, the old farmers will QQ but the update is the best for the new players.
  • Jaabg - Sanctuary
    Jaabg - Sanctuary Posts: 2,256 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    This is only good for ppl who already had their r9 done technically.

    Not so sure about that, people have refined, sharded r9 to end game status. It would take chienkuns to keep same refines, shards. I am expecting prices to go up, so the option to transfer might be cheaper for once. Will still cost immense amounts though. Especially on the rerolling b:surrender.
  • fallingstars125
    fallingstars125 Posts: 9 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    viktorbg wrote: »
    The best update ever, the old farmers will QQ but the update is the best for the new players.
    for new ones? Lol. Ye ull nvr farm urself to r9s3 status as fast as with nirv present, if ever now that the nirv cashflow is gone. Markets dyin as everyone can solo farm most stuff with s3 on all their alts. Hello ff, meet my upgraded warsoul wep! Yay for official private server!
  • StarStrukkk - Heavens Tear
    StarStrukkk - Heavens Tear Posts: 43 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    you only hear alot of QQs cause those that complain are vocal about it. That is the forums, you hear more complaints than praise. Most of the pple who like it are engrossed in the game already. Like someone said in another thread, alot of pple are happy ingame than they are unhappy on the forums.

    Those are the people who never have done anything to achieve anything :)
    People who worked so hard to get where they are...when other people just get it over night from doing nothing at all LOL.
  • Sakubatou - Sanctuary
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary Posts: 4,001 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    small cash shoppers will start to buy r9. but seriously, it's only a slight improvement from r9 to r9r.

    non cash shoppers will do more TT and lunar for mats.

    everyone will start forming warsong and lunar squads for molds, re-refine their already +10 G15 and r9 and start upgrading instead of leaving it at G15/r9.

    people doing lunar means coin sink for in-game economy, gold price will go up in short term as people want buy MoG and GST. but will go down as coins start to disappear through dq nerf and lunar instance.

    win-win situation not?

    b:victory

    R9r is equal or really better than Nirvana t3 and r9t3 stomps r9r.

    The difference is that r9 takes a huge initial investment and is cash shop based (you can farm the coin, but MoG, chips, and rep are cash shop items meaning at some point someone has to buy it from the cash shop). R9r used to be impossibly out of reach for most of us, considering the price of Summerwind Tokens. And then R9t3 was very cheap and easy to farm molds and badges for.

    It was the first two stages that were the hindrance to r9t3. Thats why I went Vana t3 route, as well as some personal preferences like -int pieces and G16 is tradable.

    I farmed Lunar and TT like crazy to make my G15 Nirvana pieces, and of course Nirvanas. Then I farmed Warsong like crazy for duty badges, mostly for rerolls. My claws I've sunk 220 badges into for 8 rerolls, and my boots are at 54 badges for 3 rerolls.

    R9t3 doesn't require tt. It doesn't require lunar mats. It doesn't require Nirvana. And it doesn't need to be rerolled as much so will require less duty badges from Warsong/Lunar. Lunar is less efficient for duty badges/mats and has a startup cost. And R9t3 molds are easy to come by.

    So besides farming for mats that will have a drastically reduced market in tt, why will anyone do Lunar, TT, or Nirvana? Warsong is the last needed instance and r9t3 is easier to complete than Nirvana once you have r9r.
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  • ChevaIier - Harshlands
    ChevaIier - Harshlands Posts: 300 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Gave it at least another 30 minutes to digest the fact that raptures have reduced to mere 50k each and raptures like what 100k-250k each now? Personally, I dislike this update because I spent the entire summer farming for NV3 gear, which now has been made easily attainable in one nation war....ANYWAYS ON THE BRIGHTER SIDE.

    Think of it in this angle:

    Remember the time when everybody was running around with tt90/lunar weapons and only some had g13 weapons? And there was only ONE op famous "oh my gawd" player that had the r8? I believe we can think of it like this.

    NV3 = the TT90 "end game" gear back then where everybody was running around with
    R9r2 = the "G13"
    70 attack levels (I'm not too sure how easy it's to get this wep) = the "R8"

    We've experienced this before where TT90 was the end game gear and everybody had it, and the game was fine then. Everybody competed each other with shards and refines, and also PVP will now be based on more of "SKILL" rather than "GEAR".

    In addition, this update has completely screwed sins over. Sin's tt99 gear and ornaments isn't enough to protect them from the new firepower other classes will get from their FULL G16 GEAR. To survive, most sins will now have to get full G16 gear (therefore reducing aps, YAY!) and compete on the same level as other classes.

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    This game has a lack of trying to get new players into their member base, and even if they do it new players are not able to afford the kind of gear veteran players already have without spending thousands of dollars. PWI's subscriptions are decreasing, current members are depleting, they needed a solution. This update will allow the NEW PLAYERS who have joined the game late able to obtain gear that people have spent years to get (I know, but it's for the benefit of the game, right?) I know many of you guys are mad after spending so much time (like me), and probably money as well into the game to obtain the kind of gear you have now, but think of it for the benefit of PWI.

    So therefore, to allow this game to have an actual FUTURE, this is what they needed to do. So good for you pwi, I was contemplating on quitting but now I guess il stick around and see what you guys are up to.

    But PLEASE, start MARKETING this game again increase awareness on your new update and increase your player base. I'm a marketer in real life and this is absolutely essential to keep a business running.

    Also: Try to make money off of other things:

    Some example to note, weapon covers, pets that pick up your drops, weekly updated fashion, exclusive hair designs and facial expressions that can only be accomplished through randomization (like packs), character name change (i would pay 20 bucks to change my name), server transfers, adding design to character names, adding effects to your text box, offline npc to set up your shop. Make these things expirable they will be constantly making money. I don't know why they have done this yet.

    Dress up your pet with fashion, add CS items that will make your pet run further to pick up drops, a special effect aura to surround your character, devil wings; angel wings; fairy wings; on your char, skill effect changes (instead of boring plume shot fire a freaking black-flamed arrow or something), 2x exp/2x drop that lasts for ~4 hours at a time that expires (1 person will only need it per squad), implement group training for leveling...so many other things they could include...I could go on and on and on....

    Anyways, thoughts?
  • viktorbg
    viktorbg Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Oh look the old farmer farming NV mats to "buy" his r9,3,4,5,s just spoken... QQ
  • fallingstars125
    fallingstars125 Posts: 9 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Most ive spoken to rage over it. Having goals auto finished or cash go bye bye. How fun is it srsly to run 80+ stuff with warsoul weps and every 100+ in s3 or above. If u change the gear average, change the fkn game content we fight with it aswell. And more to it than average gameplay? U mean afking in RoR? With new gear and no bosses or mobs hitting harder...no challenge. Fun game;)
  • Toomaga - Heavens Tear
    Toomaga - Heavens Tear Posts: 221 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    It doesn't matter, you don't completely replace an instance in a matter of 2 hours. That's just bad form on PWEs' part.

    I believe change is good and I welcome it, but this was a bit overkill.

    People are pissed and have a right to be, some people can't afford to cash shop enough to buy R9 and +10/12 it with full JoSDs so Nirvana gear was their end game stuff. Then 3rd cast came along and it was comparable, but not entirely equal to, R9 stuff. Best part was you couldn't CS it, it had to be farmed.

    People felt a sense of accomplishment from getting those weapons and armor pieces and now in a matter of minutes after Nation Wars are over people are running around in full sets of 2nd cast Nirv stuff or linking G16 weapons/armor that they had molds for just sitting in bank with no desire to even use due to being lazy as hell and not wanting to go farm for their stuff.

    Do you not see it as being a slap in the face? I sure as hell do. Really wishing I had never spent a dime on this game at this point (not that I spent much anyways).

    Well if PWI is slapping me in the face I like it then.
  • Zanir - Lothranis
    Zanir - Lothranis Posts: 106 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Then you're an idiot to not realize the impact this will have on the rest of the game.
  • BreezeD - Raging Tide
    BreezeD - Raging Tide Posts: 9 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Not so sure about that, people have refined, sharded r9 to end game status. It would take chienkuns to keep same refines, shards. I am expecting prices to go up, so the option to transfer might be cheaper for once. Will still cost immense amounts though. Especially on the rerolling b:surrender.

    They killed the most important and for some ppl the only way to make money. This is the end of that after all.