Main Discussion about NW pricing and effect on game

ChevaIier - Harshlands

Teseanna - Heavens Tear wrote: »

...a big **** plus one

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Thank you ^^, more thoughts on the subject would be nice though? b:kiss

ovenusarmanio

I agree. I don't think this will be so terrible. But this really does belong with the other thread about this. Thanks.

CynthiaDoll - Raging Tide

Full Nirvana gear here we come! b:pleased

Kinjeto - Raging Tide

Bubbles - Lothranis wrote: »

So let me get this straight...
The game first died when nixes were released.
It died again when genies were released and then nerfed.
It died again when packs were released.
It died again when oracles were popularized.
It died again when people realized they would never get low gold trade again.
It died again when tb chars started hitting the higher levels and 5 aps became popular.
It died again when packs were announced into the cash shop indefinitely.
It died again when goon glitch was popularized.
It died again when r9 medals could no longer be got from the dq shop.
It died again when goon glitch was "fixed".
It died again when the sale of 11 and 12 dorbs caused "client instability."
It died again when frost runs were popularized.

... I don't think this mishap will be the final blow.

Word, done and dusted. b:laugh

Teseanna - Heavens Tear

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Nareeah - Lost City

ChevaIier - Harshlands wrote: »

Thank you ^^, more thoughts on the subject would be nice though? b:kiss

lolyou

myself and my 5 friends have enough TT mats we can't sell to gear up 50 toons in HH
along with most other TT farmers
most people with gear today CAN SOLO TT YOU KNOW

BerserkBeast - Sanctuary

As title says.

Discuss?
(Personally I have no idea other than merchanting)

ovenusarmanio

Zanir - Lothranis wrote: »

I don't care if you're a mod or not...are we even playing the same game? Did you even work for any of the stuff on your character or did you have a sugar daddy buy it all for you? Or did you possibly swipe your credit card and *Poof* it magically appeared in your inventory.

Give me a break...how can you even argue that this is a GOOD thing? Are you really going to tell me that...let's say you just made yourself a G16 Nirvana weapon that you busted hump for, you're not going to be royally pissed if now that complete moron on your server that knows nothing about their class or how to play now magically has the same weapon that you spent all that hard time farming just because he participated in one night of Nation Wars (That's 2 hours in case you weren't aware) and can basically get whatever he wants?

I didn't swipe my credit card. In fact, I have a sin I worked very hard to get my nirvy gear on. And I did most of the work for that gear on my own with random squads, not just faction mates taking me places everyday. My faction helped with some of the cost of the dagger by helping me out with getting the tt99 dagger. But I nirvyed it, my leggings, got my rank 8 gear, got my ornaments, and such all by myself. Heck, it took me three weeks of no lifing to get the bracers of blood moon. Which I then sold to get my tt99 bracers.

And I also realize that I'm incredibly lucky that all of that was an option to me and that I can't hold onto my advantage forever. That's how literally everything works. Real life and in-games. Things depreciate in value over time. You got to use it earlier than everyone else. You got to gain money when they were just scraping buy for repairs. Whenever I was like Ugggh I'm soooo poor. I had the option to just shutup and solo TT and FC and get coin at three times the rate anyone else could. That's no small thing. And now that it's been a couple of years since nirvana has been released, that gear is naturally supposed to get cheaper and more widespread as new things get released. That's how games work.

And I have NEVER had a sugar daddy.

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Exclude people like me who can **** out a couple hundred/thousand gold. Where do you propose the commoners get 300 mil from?

Same place they got their APS gear from or their rank 8 gear. They save up. They don't get it all at once. They go little by little, piece by piece. Same way I got my stuff. I don't even have +10 yet because I was saving up for the 2nd cast daggers. Now I'll get those daggers dirt cheap and will use that money I was gonna spend to refine them.

fallingstars125

Zan said all i felt like. doesnt just ruin 100+ tho as warsoul weps are in there too and that...kinda makes any 80+ wep useless till 100. Its a huge gear standard swap over night, n instances are not built for it...atleast not to make gameplay challenging or fun anymore.

Aryarie - Sanctuary

Don't know how I feel about this so will have to wait until tonight to see. On another note, my small mountain of fortune has turned into a mole hill.

b:cry

Zanir - Lothranis

Haila - Sanctuary wrote: »

They just had to fix the fee to 750k per rap and 150k per uncanny or something.
10k is bit too cheap with the tokens handed out ...........

Not just an increase in the fee to manufacture them, some people have more money than brains and would just sell gold to make all of their tokens into canny/raps. By increasing the amount of tokens it takes to make it it will maintain market stability while still making them easily accessible (to the same degree that running Nirvana is).

Personally I don't think there should be a fee to make them (at least not more than what it's at now). People worked for their tokens (even if they didn't do much) they should be able to make some profit off that time same as if they ran Nirvana and sold their drops. A simple increase in the number of tokens needed to make them would solve the issue. That or if they set a cap on the number of Supply Tokens that could be earned per night (we're talking a severe decrease). I used an average of the "normal" numbers I saw tonight in WC and Faction chat, there were people who got some insane numbers of Tokens (600+).

Again, it's an MMO and we should be free to choose what we do with our things.

Teseanna - Heavens Tear

BerserkBeast - Sanctuary wrote: »

As title says.

Discuss?
(Personally I have no idea other than merchanting)

buying zen?


b:shocked

BerserkBeast - Sanctuary

CynthiaDoll - Raging Tide wrote: »

Full Nirvana gear here we come! b:pleased

What's the point of even calling it Nirvana gear if you don't farm it in Nirvana?

Jaabg - Sanctuary

Lunar, warsong, sell badges at 2m again b:cute (i can hope right).

Lunar, tt to make base gear for nirvana 3rd cast. Sure people are OP now, but it still takes time to make those gear.

Soloing bh on 6+ toons b:laugh. Saving on teles, because you don't have to world chat for squads.

The balance will depend on the players and whether the changes are reverted, changed. If a sizeable portion leaves and new players don't enter, that will be sad for the game. If changes are reverted to making canny, rap exchange a bit more expensive, that can fly. Removing canny, rap from the forges can fly as well, will be unpopular, but i can live without it.

Merchanting always wins for me. Btw, did you sell the ghost lord ribbons that you farmed? Mine sold out at 900k. I got 50 more afterwards, but never got around to setting up shop.

BerserkBeast - Sanctuary

Teseanna - Heavens Tear wrote: »

buying zen?


b:shocked

uh Did you even read the title?

Jaabg - Sanctuary wrote: »

Merchanting always wins for me. Btw, did you sell the ghost lord ribbons that you farmed? Mine sold out at 900k. I got 50 more afterwards, but never got around to setting up shop.

uh actually after that thread of some months ago I moved my efforts from TT to Nirvana....guess Im gonna go back lock myself in there?...

Seems like an horrible idea,all Nirvana-addicted farmers(o well some of em),will move back to the old TT, causing the already over-farmed instance to be even more OVER-farmed, making the already over-saturated TT market even more OVER-saturated.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

i dunno... you gotta brainstorm i guess...test stuff out, search areas... same thing we had to do when the server first came out several years ago >.>

Yuna_Sama - Heavens Tear

ChevaIier - Harshlands wrote: »

This game has a lack of trying to get new players into their member base, and even if they do it new players are not able to afford the kind of gear veteran players already have without spending thousands of dollars. PWI's subscriptions are decreasing, current members are depleting, they needed a solution. This update will allow the NEW PLAYERS who have joined the game late able to obtain gear that people have spent years to get (I know, but it's for the benefit of the game, right?) I know many of you guys are mad after spending so much time (like me), and probably money as well into the game to obtain the kind of gear you have now, but think of it for the benefit of PWI.

So therefore, to allow this game to have an actual FUTURE, this is what they needed to do. So good for you pwi, I was contemplating on quitting but now I guess il stick around and see what you guys are up to.

You're forgetting the fact that now DQ drops are completely nerfed, newbs will be forced anyway to quit around lvl 50-60... How the heck are they supposed to lvl their skills when they can't even grind the coin for it properly? And how about pots? And no skills make terrible class to play and no pots makes a lot of stuff impossible as well... So yeah they made Nirv gear available for everyone IF they'll even manage to make it to 100 1st without having to spend real money... b:surrender

Teseanna - Heavens Tear

BerserkBeast - Sanctuary wrote: »

uh Did you even read the title?

yep. I just bought zen. It's cool, i got gold and people buy it for coins.

It works good.

Teseanna - Heavens Tear

The point is this isn't a f2p game anymore...don't like it?

BerserkBeast - Sanctuary

Teseanna - Heavens Tear wrote: »

yep. I just bought zen. It's cool, i got gold and people buy it for coins.

It works good.

Oh yeah I guess it works wonders for ya b:bye

Jaabg - Sanctuary

BerserkBeast - Sanctuary wrote: »

Seems like an horrible idea,all Nirvana-addicted farmers(or well some of em),will move back to the old TT, causing the already over-farmed instance to be even more OVER-farmed, making the already over-saturated TT market even more OVER-saturated.

TT mats are hard to sell, just checked prices. Sure i can sell them, but the 100~200m becomes 40~50m. Might as well keep them for now for future alts, friends who might need them.

Lunar mats is an option. Only 3 shops that regularly buy and sell lunar mats on our server. I know quite a few people save lunar mats.

Teseanna - Heavens Tear wrote: »

The point is this isn't a f2p game anymore...don't like it?

Yes, we know you cash shop . Awesome for you. BerserkBeast i believe is a more F2P player, he prefers to farm gear for free rather than using real money. Your comment is similar to how I come to you and say, "Sorry this year due to high taxes, your income is cut to a 1/4, and you have no bonuses or benefits". What will you do if your work place implemented that policy? You either quit or live with it.

Ripokeke - Sanctuary

seriously?

if u are refering to canny and rap being cheap now, ask how the catshops that were buying ur canny and raps where they get their coins from.

sell seal of war is also ok...

Teseanna - Heavens Tear

I haven't had such a wonderful meal of tears in some time.

FEED ME YOUR TEARS!

b:angryb:angryb:angry

Toomaga - Heavens Tear

BerserkBeast - Sanctuary wrote: »

I wish those who are so happy about these changes had a deeper look at things like the above guy.

Personally, I had a deep look at this already, but since this is almost catering to my play style it does not hurt me as much. I can't say the same for others sadly.

ovenusarmanio

Since this mostly talking about the nirvana crash, gonna move this thread to the existing one this issue.

RoidAbuse - Sanctuary

So easy to make money in PWI!

BerserkBeast - Sanctuary

Teseanna - Heavens Tear wrote: »

The point is this isn't a f2p game anymore...don't like it?

Its still early to say,but the weight of bad things in this game its slowing getting heavier than the weight of the good things, not sure if said it right.

There were bad things in this game before this expansion, don't assume that only because there are more Im simply going to quit, when 51% of the things will be bad then yeah I will probably quit.

RoidAbuse - Sanctuary wrote: »

So easy to make money in PWI!

Oh yeah right

Jaabg - Sanctuary wrote: »

Yes, we know you cash shop . Awesome for you. BerserkBeast i believe is a more F2P player, he prefers to farm gear for free rather than using real money. Your comment is similar to how I come to you and say, "Sorry this year due to high taxes, your income is cut to a 1/4, and you have no bonuses or benefits". What will you do if your work place implemented that policy? You either quit or live with it.

Yeah Im an old style RPG player who's too used to fight monsters(PvE) rather than people(PvP), I don't like this PvP expansion and the fact that I have to PvP now to make money(Maybe). And I thought I was in a PvE server!

Jaabg - Sanctuary

Yuna_Sama - Heavens Tear wrote: »

You're forgetting the fact that now DQ drops are completely nerfed, newbs will be forced anyway to quit around lvl 50-60... How the heck are they supposed to lvl their skills when they can't even grind the coin for it properly? And how about pots? And no skills make terrible class to play and no pots makes a lot of stuff impossible as well... So yeah they made Nirv gear available for everyone IF they'll even manage to make it to 100 1st without having to spend real money... b:surrender

Have you seen the coin rewards from quests? At lvl 100+ different quests can give me 1~5m a week. Lower levels have more than enough to get their skills. My archer has max skills for all things at lvl 32 from coin drops. I have yet to sell any hay, rough fur, glue or other items o it. We get free charms now, 24 hours, that is just pure awesomeness. There are things that help, but most people have not started a new alt in a long time. There are lots of ways to make money at lower levels, even with "dq nerf".

The positive side of dq nerf is that people will finally take the dragon quests seriously and get OP gear themselves rather than paying 20~40m for it.

Toomaga - Heavens Tear

Merchanting,TT,Lunar,Warsong,Power Leveling(While it last),DQ Farming,AEU,Other services for low levels,BH, Skill Book Farming etc etc etc...There are many alternatives, all I will say about Nirvana is that it simply was one of the easiest farming methods. It is just a little more challenging now.

ovenusarmanio

moving this the existing supply token and nirvana thread. b:thanks