Main Discussion about NW pricing and effect on game

If I remember correctly, some thread suggested you could get ~500 mats per event. That would make 500 cannies/raps... That event would make nirvana obsolete after the first time <.<. Unless, of course, nirvy droprate is increased by 10x or smth.

Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Some of you browsing the new forge might have noticed the following recipes.

This made me wonder if Nirvana might become an obsolete instance soon if these Supply Tokens come at a decent rate from Nation Wars (and if the resulting items are tradeable).

Seeing the amount of tokens needed for some stuff seems to suggest you should be able to get at least 100 tokens every war (or at least every week), but I guess we won't know until friday.

Any thoughts on this?

Well if that happens & Nirvana is shut down, it would prove that PWE doesn't care about PvE players and is pushing more & more towards PvP & Nation Wars, as how are PvE players that don't, or don't get the chance to, play Nation wars supposed to be able to obtain cannies/Raps other than buying them or doing Nirvy runs?

BringinDeath - Archosaur wrote: »

Well if that happens & Nirvana is shut down, it would prove that PWE doesn't care about PvE players and is pushing more & more towards PvP & Nation Wars, as how are PvE players that don't, or don't get the chance to, play Nation wars supposed to be able to obtain cannies/Raps other than buying them or doing Nirvy runs?

I don't see them shutting it down

Let's just wait and see before we make assumptions and theories.
I do hope Nirvana won't be affected too much by it indeed though. Whilst Nirvana is not my main source of income, there's a lot of friends and faction mates that rely a lot on Nirvana (both caster and regular) and I wouldn't want them screwed over.

well if u checked it right u noticed it has 2 opts: 5 cannies and 1 rap per 1 supply token - which is probaly a BS and it wont work
but the 2nd opt says u get:
1 canny per 8 supply tokens +150k coins
1 rapture per 60 supply tokens +1m coins

so yea nirvana wont die fast i believe

EDIT:
on the other hand the forge says canny and rap requires only 1 supply token - so yea now im kinda confused

As a mercenary answering the call for Nation Wars, players are rewarded a currency called Supply Tokens. With these, players will be able to exchange for materials to craft Rank 8 gear upgrades, Warsoul weapons, exclusive Tomes, and Uncanny/Rapture Crystals (for Rank 9 Ascended gear).

See that part in red ?

How much more of an explanation do you need to understand that the Cannys and Raps gained from Nation War is to be tied to the manufacturing of R9 recast gear only ???

So don't expect to be farming all these Raps and Cannys for dirt cheap upgrades to Nirvana G16. This of course means that the Nirvana dungeon isn't going anywhere either.

truekossy wrote: »

And your point being?

Unless it's completely separate from regular Uncannies and Raptures, people will use it for whatever they feel like within whatever constraints it has. If it's untradable, we'll probably have a lot more G13/G15 Nirvana cheaply. If it can be traded, the regular Nirvana market will be heavily affected (think Aurora agent style).

Either way, we won't be able to say 100% until we've actually gone through this the first time and confirmed various things for ourselves.

Seriously ???

You think PWE put "for Rank 9 Ascended gear" next to Uncannys/Raps because they felt it would just look COOL there ?

I think its fairly obvious that these nirvana mats are going to be different than the regular ones but hey... as you said, we'll soon see.

truekossy wrote: »

Either way, we won't be able to say 100% until we've actually gone through this the first time and confirmed various things for ourselves.

What kossy said. We have to wait and see the in-game effects/consequences before we can judge.
I have to agree though... I can't see Nirvana dropping so much all of a sudden considering they added G16 not too long ago but yeah...we'll see.

IllumiZoldyk - Sanctuary wrote: »

*Takes out Pokeball*

Des, back in your ball woman :P

b:cry but..but...

Hexalot - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Seriously ???

You think PWE put "for Rank 9 Ascended gear" next to Uncannys/Raps because they felt it would just look COOL there ?

I think its fairly obvious that these nirvana mats are going to be different than the regular ones but hey... as you said, we'll soon see.

Hanging on PWE PR announcement, which is mostly aimed towards casual players and is intentionally vague - I consider that quite weak argument for restricted crystals. But we`ll see, I heavily doubt they are restricted though.

Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Any word on the tradability of the crafted raps/cannies?

If they are bound, then the majority of non-american players (that can't attend the wars due to their timezone) get shafted big time.

According to the database its the same as a normal rap cannie, but only shows manufacturing on the China database but is the same item if you switch to US while on the page.

Rap CN US

Cannie CN US

Weather it differs for our version and they are bound I don't know, but they look just the same as what comes out of the nirvana instance to me.

NestFreemark - Raging Tide wrote: »

If canny and rap were so easy to get, and Nirvana stopped being worth running, that would mean it's extemely easy to get the gear. PWE wouldn't take so much money out of their own pockets...

Missed this earlier. But actually, they wouldnt lose money, they`d force everybody who wants to be competitive to go R9 as free 2nd cast and farmable 3rd cast are just lightyears away in power compared to N3.

they already said they were receiving [customized] content specific to our iteration of the game.

this is an "international" game run from a U.S. timezone, i think the issue over available timeslots has been argued and discussed to death. any timezone you put it in is going to be inconvenient to somebody. this game caters largely to Americans. the new TW times are pretty crappy for some in the US but work for others around the world. just.... stop it with the QQ over times already, its a dead subject.

i think the new way to get cannies and raps as other have already stated, just create a new status quot. it does look like they are hurting our ability to farm-for-free r9 gears, but at the same time giving us the ability to reach nirvana stage 3 (full suits) pretty easily. i'm not sure i can be so mad that they are making the farming of those mats more accessible in a sense to people normally not able to farm vana (either) efficiently.

its gonna be the same item, the only diff i can logically see is that the cannies and raps are bound but stashable, which will kind of protect the vana market. i dont think ppl will be getting 100's of coins per week, more like up to 10 would seem reasonable. i only hope that awards will be given regardless of win/lose.

i dunno, i think ppl are just shocked at the changes because they are significant ones. many people who have created a comfort zone where they can exploit the current system to their benefit, just dont like any change that effects this comfort. the changes favor free-players a bit more (while still not giving away cash gear) than cash shoppers. it also adds some variety to farming, and more exp all around pushing ppl to endgame quicker might de-emphasize FCC.

so basically they widened the gap between free player and cash shoppa by shooting the farming grinders in the foot while feeding them candy (you can farm non r9 easier now but getting to the 1.5bil will be harder unless you power merch)

There should be a hidden fee on this craft.

Are the new supply tokens tradable btw at chinese servers b:puzzled