Sage or Demon?
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MageFizban - Lost City wrote: »Yes, long gone are the days of sage wizzies trolling demonn wizzies off the forums. b:pleased
I remember times, when 85% of wizards were demons. And sage was considered as big fail.b:chuckle0 -
Adroit - Lost City wrote: »Being that cata barbs with close to 40k hp regularly get killed through turtle in TW.. you're going to have a hell of a time convincing me that you can tank in TW. Gear alone will never be enough to tank people, things like tiger form, solid shield, turtle, anti stun are all skills that allow barbs to do what they do. The extra hp/pdef you have over an average wizard gives you more time to kite, or get back. You'd be far more likely to get an ult off in TW.. because I get one shot by r9 archers with my poo gear. If you do get focused, you likely have enough time to react before you die.. but your job is never to stand there in the front trying to take damage lol.
LOL you really have no clue what rank 9 wizis can do. You really should get your wizi rank9. A rank9 Archer can maybe dream of ever one shotting me lol. An archer even with a warsoul bow hits me non crit for 800-1400, crit up to 3.5k. With 15khp dare to dream to one shot me lol. So while you are standing in the back hoping to get close enough to use on of your ultis I have already domained and shot out two ultis and have killed a hord of people.
I tell you what next time I have a big TW coming up I will video tape it and send it to you so can actually see what wizis with that much def and hp can do.0 -
Elendria - Dreamweaver wrote: »LOL you really have no clue what rank 9 wizis can do. You really should get your wizi rank9. A rank9 Archer can maybe dream of ever one shotting me lol. An archer even with a warsoul bow hits me non crit for 800-1400, crit up to 3.5k. With 15khp dare to dream to one shot me lol. So while you are standing in the back hoping to get close enough to use on of your ultis I have already domained and shot out two ultis and have killed a hord of people.
I tell you what next time I have a big TW coming up I will video tape it and send it to you so can actually see what wizis with that much def and hp can do.
You are confusing nonfactor TWs with real TW. If 40k hp barbs die in turtle (effectively 400k hp), you are nothing with 15k hp. Your job as a wizard is to deal damage, not get hard over being dead with a large damage log.Youtube Channel: youtube.com/user/D2VeT/videos?flow=grid&view=0
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Adroit - Lost City wrote: »You are confusing nonfactor TWs with real TW. If 40k hp barbs die in turtle (effectively 400k hp), you are nothing with 15k hp. Your job as a wizard is to deal damage, not get hard over being dead with a large damage log.
You're right.0 -
Elendria - Dreamweaver wrote: »Absolutely correct. But demon wizards don't have to hide behind a group of 30 people to deal damage. Nobody was talking that a wizard has to stand there and tank 20 people, but we don't have to hide in the back with the fear of getting one shot.
You are missin the point. Nobody is talking about tanking TW. Maybe read my posts correctly. b:thanks
Also your correct job in TW is to deal dmg and to kill as much as possible. Your job is not to stay alive the longest of all people in TW. Your job to support your cata pushes is to kill as much DD as possible that is trying to stop your cata barbs. And the difference between sage and demon wizards is that sage wizards work in the background while demon wizards work further up front. That's it easy right?
yes they do
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Elendria - Dreamweaver wrote: »Absolutely correct. But demon wizards don't have to hide behind a group of 30 people to deal damage. Nobody was talking that a wizard has to stand there and tank 20 people, but we don't have to hide in the back with the fear of getting one shot.
You are missin the point. Nobody is talking about tanking TW. Maybe read my posts correctly. b:thanks
Glad we got that settled (not a tank in TW). I fear getting one shot because of my gear, not my cultivation. Self buffed, you are talking 120% pdef vs 150% pdef.. or full buffed 270% vs 300%, it just isn't as dramatic a difference as you make it sound. It's definitetly nice, don't get me wrong.. but its not like night and day. It's just a tad bit more pdef.
edit.. wtf ur post poofed? /confusedYoutube Channel: youtube.com/user/D2VeT/videos?flow=grid&view=0
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b:surrenderyou haven't seen elendria's gear have you...Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »yes they do
every caster has to unless they have truely OP gearAdroit - Lost City wrote: »Glad we got that settled (not a tank in TW). I fear getting one shot because of my gear, not my cultivation. Self buffed, you are talking 120% pdef vs 150% pdef.. or full buffed 270% vs 300%, it just isn't as dramatic a difference as you make it sound. It's definitetly nice, don't get me wrong.. but its not like night and day. It's just a tad bit more pdef.
edit.. wtf ur post poofed? /confused
b:surrenderWhat ele means is that she plays her wiz more offensively and more upfront. Not like, OMGZLAZERZLOOKATMETANK but more upfront than what a wiz normally does because she has the defense and HP to react.Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze0 -
Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »b:surrenderyou haven't seen elendria's gear have you...
b:surrenderWhat ele means is that she plays her wiz more offensively and more upfront. Not like, OMGZLAZERZLOOKATMETANK but more upfront than what a wiz normally does because she has the defense and HP to react.
perhaps her gear allows her to play more offensively, but suggesting that it's the cultivation that allows her to do that is misleading.Youtube Channel: youtube.com/user/D2VeT/videos?flow=grid&view=0
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Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »b:surrenderyou haven't seen elendria's gear have you...
b:surrenderWhat ele means is that she plays her wiz more offensively and more upfront. Not like, OMGZLAZERZLOOKATMETANK but more upfront than what a wiz normally does because she has the defense and HP to react.
I've seen wizzes with better gear get dropped without charm tick by a triple sparked sin with +12 r9 daggers. Not buying the argument.0 -
Aww thanks Mizi for clearing this up b:kiss
And Mage tell that wiz to get AD. Every sin that sparks gets kicked out of stealth so the only way they can spark on you is to either get kicked out of stealth and be seen or stun you first and then spark on you. Either way enough time to start the AD combo I was talking about. Just have to always watch your own back.
And question what better gear are you talking about? You haven't been even on our server to make a statement about my gear
See again Mage you are not getting around it, it's time for you to COME BACK b:angry 0 -
Elendria - Dreamweaver wrote: »Every sin that sparks gets kicked out of stealth
only with Triple Sparks, incase you didn't know..
And a lot of sins 3 spark from a 40 meter distance or so away, re-stealth-> tele to target and auto attack until the other person is dead. Regular people don't even see it coming half the time and by the time they click domain it's already over due to normal server lag.0 -
Elendria - Dreamweaver wrote: »Aww thanks Mizi for clearing this up b:kiss
And Mage tell that wiz to get AD. Every sin that sparks gets kicked out of stealth so the only way they can spark on you is to either get kicked out of stealth and be seen or stun you first and then spark on you. Either way enough time to start the AD combo I was talking about. Just have to always watch your own back.
And question what better gear are you talking about? You haven't been even on our server to make a statement about my gear See again Mage you are not getting around it, it's time for you to COME BACK b:angry
Only difference between you with super-uber gear and normal wizard is, when sin attacks on you your charm will tick but you will be death anyway. So result is the same and it doesn't depend on cultivation. Little extra 30% p.def don't make big difference ESPECIALLY when already have enough p.def. Because it's hyperbolic curve. I already posted this curve.0 -
What's with all the "get AD"... I don't know what you guys are doing in TW, but my genie is more or less constantly on cooldown because I use it to get chi (CE) and amo (Frenzy). Sure, with r9 +12 frenzy is kinda useless, but the chi is quite important, especially as a demon I suppose. Even as a sage wizard I can never have enough chi in TW. I hardly ever have 135 energy leftover just to protect myself coz I stand in the middle of the chaos. ^^ Why do we have 30m of range if we are not using it to full extent. I mean even BMs Holy Path out of the combat after they dropped their stun/bolt/dragon."Of course you should fight fire with fire. You should fight everything with fire."
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To Mortal, there has yet to show a sin that can kill me by himself. I have in TW constantly sins on me and so far (since I have gotten the rank9 gear) no sin has ever killed me in TW. My only kills come from a hord of archers like 4-5 on me at the same time or bms heavensflame on me. And remember we are talking about TW. In pk sins are pretty much OP, but in TW where they mostly don't have only one enemy on them they are pretty weak.
And on the other hand all of you who state the difference between 120 to 150% is not big, are any of you actually demon wizards with demon stone barrier? Or just talkers that like to make statements without actually experiencing the skills for themselves? There is a huge difference between calculating on ecotomb than to actually use skills on your own toon.0 -
You do have to admit demon skills are more offensive based...Adroit - Lost City wrote: »perhaps her gear allows her to play more offensively, but suggesting that it's the cultivation that allows her to do that is misleading.
but on DW all the sins with +12 r9 daggers are in nonfactor factions so...MageFizban - Lost City wrote: »I've seen wizzes with better gear get dropped without charm tick by a triple sparked sin with +12 r9 daggers. Not buying the argument.
np, I been in your TW squad so I know what you mean cause I've seen it in action. Elendria is the reason that I actually switched cultivations to demon.Elendria - Dreamweaver wrote: »Aww thanks Mizi for clearing this up b:kiss
And Mage tell that wiz to get AD. Every sin that sparks gets kicked out of stealth so the only way they can spark on you is to either get kicked out of stealth and be seen or stun you first and then spark on you. Either way enough time to start the AD combo I was talking about. Just have to always watch your own back.
And question what better gear are you talking about? You haven't been even on our server to make a statement about my gear See again Mage you are not getting around it, it's time for you to COME BACK b:angrySins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze0 -
ive played both culti's and the difference isnt tht big with endgame pdef. The actual % physical reduction is only like 2-3%. Meaning its nice, but not a reason to go demon over sage.
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Elendria - Dreamweaver wrote: »To Mortal, there has yet to show a sin that can kill me by himself. I have in TW constantly sins on me and so far (since I have gotten the rank9 gear) no sin has ever killed me in TW. My only kills come from a hord of archers like 4-5 on me at the same time or bms heavensflame on me. And remember we are talking about TW. In pk sins are pretty much OP, but in TW where they mostly don't have only one enemy on them they are pretty weak.
And on the other hand all of you who state the difference between 120 to 150% is not big, are any of you actually demon wizards with demon stone barrier? Or just talkers that like to make statements without actually experiencing the skills for themselves? There is a huge difference between calculating on ecotomb than to actually use skills on your own toon.
I would like to see video how +4 APS sin with R9 +10 cannot kill you. Because your attack power is useless when you are +6s stunned. At 6s he attacks at least 24 times and your p.def + HP is not enough to stay alive. I don't believe that you can survive equally geared sin.0 -
Elendria - Dreamweaver wrote: »Aww thanks Mizi for clearing this up b:kiss
And Mage tell that wiz to get AD. Every sin that sparks gets kicked out of stealth so the only way they can spark on you is to either get kicked out of stealth and be seen or stun you first and then spark on you. Either way enough time to start the AD combo I was talking about. Just have to always watch your own back.
And question what better gear are you talking about? You haven't been even on our server to make a statement about my gear See again Mage you are not getting around it, it's time for you to COME BACK b:angry
I am not coming back to that hellhole of boredom that you call a server. Your sins probably live in instances. I've watched Angela$ pk, and I'm definitely not impressed. Also, AD has a 3 minute CD. GL surviving after the initial attack to provoke you to use domain.
The gear on the aforementioned wiz is full R9 + 11 with full jades with +12 r9 wep and g12 saphs with a +11 g15 pdef cube neck. I'm pretty sure you don't get much better than that. Unless you're really going to tell me you went full +12 on a pve server. b:shutup
Here's the thing. I TOLD the mage that the sin had triple sparked 3 seconds before the actual attack (because I was spamming T). He was prepared. He just didn't have time to react even then. Let me frame the situation for you a little more. The wiz was only selfbuffed and the sin is r9+12 with full sharded with dots.0 -
@Miz - I don't really think demon skills are any more offensive than sage tbh. It's hard to really even distinguish the difference, I mean.. stone barrier could be looked at as a defensive skill, but Elendria is saying it helps her be more offensive. I think channeling can be looked at the same way, as well as control skills etc. Sometimes the best offense is a good defense and vice versa :P They are too interrelated to really say one cultivation is moreso than the other xD
@Elendria - I'm just going to assume you've never fought a good sin. Domain might save you once.. every 3 mins.. but it's hardly a counter to sins. I don't know how it is on DW, but here on LC.. it feels like close to half the population (if not more) are sins. As a side note, I'd love to see a video of you in TW.Youtube Channel: youtube.com/user/D2VeT/videos?flow=grid&view=0
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Mortal_Kiss - Heavens Tear wrote: »I would like to see video how +4 APS sin with R9 +10 cannot kill you. Because your attack power is useless when you are +6s stunned. At 6s he attacks at least 24 times and your p.def + HP is not enough to stay alive. I don't believe that you can survive equally geared sin.
That's easy. Maybe not for a beginner wiz, but for any exp TW wiz np. Remember just because you are stunned doesn't mean you cannot use genie skills. All you do is wait a few seconds as no R9 sin can just 1 shot you unless your gear is weak, then you use AD, you get 4 seconds invulnarble plus seconds of immune to any further stun after the 4 seconds are off, enough time to pop IG and kill the sin. Remember sins hit hard but are super weak to magic dmg because most of them run around with pdef ornaments which basically makes them weak in TW. I can one shot even EQs 104 sin, so usually they try to jump into stealth so I use WOP which either kills them or knocks them instantly back out of stealth. Send another demon gush and most likely its bye bye. If that doesn't help, FOW + undine strike + glacial snare + gush will with R9 sword most likely send them sleeping...
Mage of course you have to kill the sin after you use your domain otherwise you are right when all your "stay alive" skills are used off its either charm **** for a while or death. But with a R9+12 weapon iceborn stones trust me not many sins stay alive to tell their tale. And you are right I went +12 on a pve server why not. My fun in this game is TW, killing masses of people and not pk. You are the pker of us both that is why you went to a pk server which is fine, I enjoy the game itself with a weekly TW to top it of. Its each own choice I guess.0 -
Elendria - Dreamweaver wrote: »That's easy. Maybe not for a beginner wiz, but for any exp TW wiz np. Remember just because you are stunned doesn't mean you cannot use genie skills. All you do is wait a few seconds as no R9 sin can just 1 shot you unless your gear is weak, then you use AD, you get 4 seconds invulnarble plus seconds of immune to any further stun after the 4 seconds are off, enough time to pop IG and kill the sin. Remember sins hit hard but are super weak to magic dmg because most of them run around with pdef ornaments which basically makes them weak in TW. I can one shot even EQs 104 sin, so usually they try to jump into stealth so I use WOP which either kills them or knocks them instantly back out of stealth. Send another demon gush and most likely its bye bye. If that doesn't help, FOW + undine strike + glacial snare + gush will with R9 sword most likely send them sleeping...
Mage of course you have to kill the sin after you use your domain otherwise you are right when all your "stay alive" skills are used off its either charm **** for a while or death. But with a R9+12 weapon iceborn stones trust me not many sins stay alive to tell their tale. And you are right I went +12 on a pve server why not. My fun in this game is TW, killing masses of people and not pk. You are the pker of us both that is why you went to a pk server which is fine, I enjoy the game itself with a weekly TW to top it of. Its each own choice I guess.
and if the sin uses its own domain + ironguard? Or just force stealths? Now what. Your genie is out of energy, your apoth are on cooldown.. the sin is going to walk right over you for the next 3 mins until your domain comes off cooldown.. and remember.. domain isn't a way to kill a sin, its a way to delay a sin for 4-6 seconds.Youtube Channel: youtube.com/user/D2VeT/videos?flow=grid&view=0
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Elendria - Dreamweaver wrote: »That's easy. Maybe not for a beginner wiz, but for any exp TW wiz np. Remember just because you are stunned doesn't mean you cannot use genie skills. All you do is wait a few seconds as no R9 sin can just 1 shot you unless your gear is weak, then you use AD, you get 4 seconds invulnarble plus seconds of immune to any further stun after the 4 seconds are off, enough time to pop IG and kill the sin. Remember sins hit hard but are super weak to magic dmg because most of them run around with pdef ornaments which basically makes them weak in TW. I can one shot even EQs 104 sin, so usually they try to jump into stealth so I use WOP which either kills them or knocks them instantly back out of stealth. Send another demon gush and most likely its bye bye. If that doesn't help, FOW + undine strike + glacial snare + gush will with R9 sword most likely send them sleeping...
Mage of course you have to kill the sin after you use your domain otherwise you are right when all your "stay alive" skills are used off its either charm **** for a while or death. But with a R9+12 weapon iceborn stones trust me not many sins stay alive to tell their tale. And you are right I went +12 on a pve server why not. My fun in this game is TW, killing masses of people and not pk. You are the pker of us both that is why you went to a pk server which is fine, I enjoy the game itself with a weekly TW to top it of. Its each own choice I guess.
Yes, what Adroit said. Any SMART sin would just re-invis during your ironguard and wait it out and now your apoth and genie are both on CD. Also, sins have focused mind, which essentially halves your potential damage if they're demon and even more so if they're sage.
Furthermore, level doesn't matter when it's not sin vs sin. There are 102 sins much harder to kill than 104 sins. Level isn't a factor.
And when I said +12, I didn't mean just the wep. I meant FULL +12. Because if you're not FULL +12, then your gear is not better than that of the mage I mentioned earlier. And I already painted the scenario of what happened for you.
I am also +12 r9 with icebournes. I know how much I can deal damage to sins. I still die to sins with 100 def lvls in white voodoo. I think the difference is the sins on DW must not know what they're doing.
But I AM really looking forward to watching TW vids from you Ele. It'd be nice to maybe see some familiar names again (even if they're the ones getting oneshot). I hope you do them every week :P0 -
I wish sins on LC would make it that easy, lol. I guess DW pk is still the same...
Just a few things:
1.) Tidal + Deaden Nerves, no one shot, seals not working by 50% (66% if sage)
-> Usually enough time to restealth
2.) Sin stunlocks you till you use domain, then domains himself and restealths
3.) Sin double sparks, power dash glitches and auto attacks with wind shield after headhunt, not leaving you enough time to "wait a few seconds" till you domain. Yes I have seen a +12 r9 sin killing a top geared BM through Buddhas Guard
4.) Sin can use pk pots too. You domain, sin goes Maze Steps + ironguard + restealth/faceroll...
5.) you somehow manage to kill the sin, one of the 2093809 other sins gets you while domain is on cooldown. And yes, even if the second sin coming is not r9 +12 you will die. I have been stunlocking a skilled BM with lvl 1 daggers for like 1 min easily. And I suck at playing sin in pvp lol.
I am sure you kill sins fast if you get a hit in and in TW that might not be the problem, since TW is chaos and aoe everywhere. The problem is getting a single hit in in world pvp. For a wizard with your gear ther emay be ways to counter a sin, but that involves different genie skills than AD..."Of course you should fight fire with fire. You should fight everything with fire."
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I think you guys don't read what I wrote in detail. Of course any good sin will force stealth. But that is why in that moment since the skill has almost instant channeling you use WOP. An aoe skill that is shot off before the sin force stealths still hits him, so like I said the sin either dies to your skill or gets kicked back out of stealth. Seriously guys I thought everyone knew that aoe's still hits sins even when they force stealth if the aoe was shot of before they force. Then again if the sin uses AD himself to force stealth WOP will not hit him but wind shield will most likely be impossible as AD drains all your genie's vit.
And again you guys are talking about pk. pk to me is irellevant, I don't like to pk since OT has become sin city as nowerdays everyone only pks on sins and not other classes anymore. I am talking about TW. In TW sins don't have a very easy time you have to admit that as actually Arenceous did. So keep this convo in TW and not pk. We all know sins are OP 1v1 pk. Why do you think everyone rerolls sins to pk.0 -
Elendria - Dreamweaver wrote: »I think you guys don't read what I wrote in detail. Of course any good sin will force stealth. But that is why in that moment since the skill has almost instant channeling you use WOP. An aoe skill that is shot off before the sin force stealths still hits him, so like I said the sin either dies to your skill or gets kicked back out of stealth. Seriously guys I thought everyone knew that aoe's still hits sins even when they force stealth if the aoe was shot of before they force. Then again if the sin uses AD himself to force stealth WOP will not hit him but wind shield will most likely be impossible as AD drains all your genie's vit.
And again you guys are talking about pk. pk to me is irellevant, I don't like to pk since OT has become sin city as nowerdays everyone only pks on sins and not other classes anymore. I am talking about TW. In TW sins don't have a very easy time you have to admit that as actually Arenceous did. So keep this convo in TW and not pk. We all know sins are OP 1v1 pk. Why do you think everyone rerolls sins to pk.
Using WotP as you described will not knock the sin out of stealth. After the sin goes into stealth, any skills you did will do damage.. but won't knock it out. You'd need a new aoe from a different target or a continuous aoe such as DB to knock them out afterwards.
And there is nothing that stops sins from being annoying in TW. They can immune just the same as anyone else.. with triple spark and kill whoever they please (including demon wizards)Youtube Channel: youtube.com/user/D2VeT/videos?flow=grid&view=0
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Elendria - Dreamweaver wrote: »I think you guys don't read what I wrote in detail. Of course any good sin will force stealth. But that is why in that moment since the skill has almost instant channeling you use WOP. An aoe skill that is shot off before the sin force stealths still hits him, so like I said the sin either dies to your skill or gets kicked back out of stealth. Seriously guys I thought everyone knew that aoe's still hits sins even when they force stealth if the aoe was shot of before they force. Then again if the sin uses AD himself to force stealth WOP will not hit him but wind shield will most likely be impossible as AD drains all your genie's vit.
And again you guys are talking about pk. pk to me is irellevant, I don't like to pk since OT has become sin city as nowerdays everyone only pks on sins and not other classes anymore. I am talking about TW. In TW sins don't have a very easy time you have to admit that as actually Arenceous did. So keep this convo in TW and not pk. We all know sins are OP 1v1 pk. Why do you think everyone rerolls sins to pk.
We assumed you knew that sins don't get knocked out of stealth if you're channeling and cast a skill right as they go into stealth. And for your 2nd point, I guess you've never seen cheze or Rinc in TW.0 -
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Well it works for me everytime. I think then it must be a glitch on DW server, but when I use WOP they get kicked out here, well then again they usually die so you might be right. Also again I am talking about TW. If you know how to TW correctly it means team work right? Not "oh I go on my own pk rampage". So what do you have your squad for?
Sins cannot attack multiple targets at once. Especially if you stand in distance to each other. Assuming your squad members are all in vent channel with you, you call out the minute you have someone on you. Sins are in big trouble in TW when they come out of stealth attacking a member that communicates well in vent. Assist attack from another OP wizard and the sin has to either force and run or die. At the end of the day this is a discussion about wizards, if you are all so mezmerized by sins skills why don't you reroll a sin? I still love my wizard and still see how many sins I kill in TW. Or is there already an OP Sin_Fizban? I wanna see, I wanna see... b:victory
Also you always have dedicated squads that take out sins as they attack other targets. Unless the sins are 103+ detection potions always work if you are 103 or one of your squad members is. Always make sure your highest lvl has them equipped. Usually in our TW each squad has one dedicated person with the highest lvl that has them equipped and mainly is using those to detect them early give information to ranged squad members, they assist attack and the sin is killed even before they have a chance to react.
Mizi remember that one time when I used the potion and realized we had three sins around us and we all assist attacked and killed all three of them? That was freaking hillarious as they were just standing there probably shocked that we could detect them....b:laughb:chuckleb:laugh0 -
Elendria - Dreamweaver wrote: »Well it works for me everytime. I think then it must be a glitch on DW server, but when I use WOP they get kicked out here, well then again they usually die so you might be right. Also again I am talking about TW. If you know how to TW correctly it means team work right? Not "oh I go on my own pk rampage". So what do you have your squad for?
Sins cannot attack multiple targets at once. Especially if you stand in distance to each other. Assuming your squad members are all in vent channel with you, you call out the minute you have someone on you. Sins are in big trouble in TW when they come out of stealth attacking a member that communicates well in vent. Assist attack from another OP wizard and the sin has to either force and run or die. At the end of the day this is a discussion about wizards, if you are all so mezmerized by sins skills why don't you reroll a sin? I still love my wizard and still see how many sins I kill in TW. Or is there already an OP Sin_Fizban? I wanna see, I wanna see... b:victory
Also you always have dedicated squads that take out sins as they attack other targets. Unless the sins are 103+ detection potions always work if you are 103 or one of your squad members is. Always make sure your highest lvl has them equipped. Usually in our TW each squad has one dedicated person with the highest lvl that has them equipped and mainly is using those to detect them early give information to ranged squad members, they assist attack and the sin is killed even before they have a chance to react.
Mizi remember that one time when I used the potion and realized we had three sins around us and we all assist attacked and killed all three of them? That was freaking hillarious as they were just standing there probably shocked that we could detect them....b:laughb:chuckleb:laugh
Elendria on Vent: Undine, Assist, Dead, Undine, Assist, Dead, Undine, Assist, Dead.
b:laughLitterally in one sentence. They didn't even fight back. Probably AFK mid-TW
Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze0
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