Sage or Demon?

MagicEmpress - Lost City
MagicEmpress - Lost City Posts: 795 Arc User
edited May 2011 in Wizard
Which is best for a Wiz?

I just hit level 80 and need to start thinking about it.


If there is already an offical thread for this re-direct me please. I didn't see one.
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  • Adroit - Lost City
    Adroit - Lost City Posts: 4,628 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    MagicEmpress - Lost City wrote: »
    Which is best for a Wiz?

    I just hit level 80 and need to start thinking about it.


    If there is already an offical thread for this re-direct me please. I didn't see one.

    Neither cultivation is better than the other, it just comes down to personal preference. Sage essentially gets more chi and has better ultis, demon gets slightly better channeling/control/crit. Take a look at ecatomb and see what appeals to you more.
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  • Noc - Harshlands
    Noc - Harshlands Posts: 192 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Sage - Sage focus's on ultis and gaining chi to use them. They focus on big damage per hit. Gear wise they tend to work towards high crit rate and survivability. A good path to go if your not super rich.

    Demon - Demons tend to focus on triple spark and using there 300% skills while sparked. There more geared for damage per second. Gear wise they focus on -channeling. They get alot of control skills that are not to reliable, but with high -channel u can spam them and have a higher chance to get lucky. This path is more geared for the rich, I personally wouldn't make an endgame demon wiz unless I knew I could get atleast -70% channel which would be -95% channel with demon spark.
  • Arma_Geddon - Heavens Tear
    Arma_Geddon - Heavens Tear Posts: 163 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Noc - Harshlands wrote: »
    Sage - Sage focus's on ultis and gaining chi to use them. They focus on big damage per hit. Gear wise they tend to work towards high crit rate and survivability. A good path to go if your not super rich.

    Demon - Demons tend to focus on triple spark and using there 300% skills while sparked. There more geared for damage per second. Gear wise they focus on -channeling. They get alot of control skills that are not to reliable, but with high -channel u can spam them and have a higher chance to get lucky. This path is more geared for the rich, I personally wouldn't make an endgame demon wiz unless I knew I could get atleast -70% channel which would be -95% channel with demon spark.

    Wtf, are you serious?
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  • Fei_Lung - Sanctuary
    Fei_Lung - Sanctuary Posts: 34 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    You should see this is a common question and a large point of contention for wizzies. The truth is for wizards, that neither has a clear advantage over the other like with certain other classes. Do you like having extra chi and dropping ultimate spells like they're free? Then go sage. Do you like faster casting and more crits? Go demon. But if you're asking which is better, you won't get a clear non-flammable answer...its just not that simple.
  • Prohibited - Heavens Tear
    Prohibited - Heavens Tear Posts: 98 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    me from another thread wrote:
    generally...

    sage = more chi, atk, ele def

    demon = more crit, enemy control (stun freeze etc), pdef, -chan


    sage is more for TW
    demon is more for pk/1v1

    to say the least.


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  • Noc - Harshlands
    Noc - Harshlands Posts: 192 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Arma_Geddon - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Wtf, are you serious?

    Yes I am. Now come up with a counter argument or shhh pve nub.
  • Loltank - Harshlands
    Loltank - Harshlands Posts: 747 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Sage = Sage BIDS and MOAR CHI.

    Demon = Faster channeling and MOAR (unreliable) STUNS.


    Cloud Eruption gives me chi out the *** anyway, so I'm down with the demon path.
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  • JanusZeal - Heavens Tear
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,852 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Prefer sage if you are going to do nothing but ultis, but demon for the channeling spark bonus, plus a far more effective stone barrier for phys def and self healing DB, both of which will help heavily in AOE instances like RB, frost, lunar, etc.. Dunno why any class talks about sage chi skill as a perk anymore unless it's a class that gives itself sparks like a veno, sin, or celestial archer -- there's always cloud erupt.
  • Adroit - Lost City
    Adroit - Lost City Posts: 4,628 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Prefer sage if you are going to do nothing but ultis, but demon for the channeling spark bonus, plus a far more effective stone barrier for phys def and self healing DB, both of which will help heavily in AOE instances like RB, frost, lunar, etc.. Dunno why any class talks about sage chi skill as a perk anymore unless it's a class that gives itself sparks like a veno, sin, or celestial archer -- there's always cloud erupt.

    You seriously don't see chi skill as a perk? How about freeing up a spot on your genie for another useful genie skill, or not having to use all your genie energy for chi.. saving it for survival/extra damage skills. Demon stone barrier is definitely nice, but I wouldn't call it far more effective. If I had demon stone barrier instead of my sage barrier, my % reduction would go from 62% to 65% (self buffed). Full buffed, it would go from a 73% reduction to a 74% reduction.
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  • JanusZeal - Heavens Tear
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,852 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Adroit - Lost City wrote: »
    You seriously don't see chi skill as a perk? How about freeing up a spot on your genie for another useful genie skill, or not having to use all your genie energy for chi.. saving it for survival/extra damage skills. Demon stone barrier is definitely nice, but I wouldn't call it far more effective. If I had demon stone barrier instead of my sage barrier, my % reduction would go from 62% to 65% (self buffed). Full buffed, it would go from a 73% reduction to a 74% reduction.
    Nope, especially when you take the time to channel a chi skill that could be spent channeling something else that can give chi, like maybe your sage pyro? That's like telling a sage veno to waste time using a chi skill when they could be spamming venomous scarab. b:bye

    Plus, at 89, a wizard might be more ready to afford the cost of a demon stone barrier opposed to the warsong/cube neck/belt. Obviously any pdef bonus would become less efficient as you get endgame gear, which doesn't take away from the fact that it's a far better deal than sage barrier. Hope I didn't run into someone who both is insecure about their cultivation and needs to be taught how to play it?
  • Arma_Geddon - Heavens Tear
    Arma_Geddon - Heavens Tear Posts: 163 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Noc - Harshlands wrote: »
    Yes I am. Now come up with a counter argument or shhh pve nub.

    A counter argument to what? A lowbie barb advising on wizard cultivation? Being rich or poor as a requisit for choosing demon/sage culti? You're a moron.
    The doctor will see you now.
  • Sun_Burn - Lost City
    Sun_Burn - Lost City Posts: 579 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Nope, especially when you take the time to channel a chi skill that could be spent channeling something else that can give chi, like maybe your sage pyro because you certainly cant cast sage pyro, chi burst, then pyro again? + id rather cast my chi burst if I absolutely need chi, instead of risking it on a chance with sage pyro.? That's like telling a sage veno to waste time using a chi skill when they could be spamming venomous scarab.providing other class's skills in certain situations does absolutely nothing in these forums. Different class, different story. Example: venomous scarab is spammable, while pyrogram has .3 seconds more channel time and 3 times as long of a cooldown. Its more beneficial for a wizard to use their chi skill in this instance. b:bye

    Plus, at 89, a wizard might be more ready to afford the cost of a demon stone barrier opposed to the warsong/cube neck/belt. Obviously any pdef bonus would become less efficient as you get endgame gear, which doesn't take away from the fact that it's a far better deal than sage barrier. sage -> demon stone barrier is imo blown out of proportion with the differences when you stop looking at the numbers in phys def and actually look at the % of reduction those numbers give. Going demon just for 1-2% more physical defense at endgame is not worth the choice. Hope I didn't run into someone who both is insecure about their cultivation and needs to be taught how to play it?

    The only reason I would have gone demon is if I wasn't planning to hit 99 in the future. Demon has the upperhand pre 99 imo but after 99 sage shines (more) in pvp and pve.

    edit: and just stop with the: "dur i go demon cuz I can get chi wit clowd eruptshiun" arguments because they are invalid. Sure you can get chi that way. But so can sage characters, providing us with almost OP chi resources to use in fights if we need extra for some reason.

    Im not saying sage or demon is better than the other, I'm just saying this persons' logic isn't logical.
  • Adroit - Lost City
    Adroit - Lost City Posts: 4,628 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Nope, especially when you take the time to channel a chi skill that could be spent channeling something else that can give chi

    Stopped reading there. Obvious, n00b is obvious.
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  • JanusZeal - Heavens Tear
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,852 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Sun_Burn - Lost City wrote: »
    The only reason I would have gone demon is if I wasn't planning to hit 99 in the future. Demon has the upperhand pre 99 imo but after 99 sage shines (more) in pvp and pve.

    edit: and just stop with the: "dur i go demon cuz I can get chi wit clowd eruptshiun" arguments because they are invalid. Sure you can get chi that way. But so can sage characters, providing us with almost OP chi resources to use in fights if we need extra for some reason.

    Im not saying sage or demon is better than the other, I'm just saying this persons' logic isn't logical.
    Obviously you weren't following the topic since it wasn't me who even mentioned chi to begin with. You also didn't suggest in what way there is an "upperhand". At very least I went into specific skills and attack types, a post you didn't even bother to address, obviously, because that would then require a less bland and boring, as well as effortless, retort. The "derr" part is in the quote, as a refuting with no substance in an argument = invalid, i.e. your post, and of course the last one, since I'm sure "n00b" sure showed me.
  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Obviously you weren't following the topic since it wasn't me who even mentioned chi to begin with. You also didn't suggest in what way there is an "upperhand". At very least I went into specific skills and attack types, a post you didn't even bother to address, obviously, because that would then require a less bland and boring, as well as effortless, retort. The "derr" part is in the quote, as a refuting with no substance in an argument = invalid, i.e. your post, and of course the last one, since I'm sure "n00b" sure showed me.

    sage FoW, BIDS, BT, MS, GS are all amazing.
    Although if TW wasnt a major factor i would have probably went demonb:surrender
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • Adroit - Lost City
    Adroit - Lost City Posts: 4,628 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    and of course the last one, since I'm sure "n00b" sure showed me.

    TBH, someone that can't find a single use for the sage chi skill is too stupid to have a logical argument with. Saved some time by not writing a long drawn out post and just settled with a simple n00b comment so that you could understand it.
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  • JanusZeal - Heavens Tear
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,852 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    sage FoW, BIDS, BT, MS, GS are all amazing.
    Although if TW wasnt a major factor i would have probably went demonb:surrender
    Wow, that sounds awful familiar.. where have I heard this..
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Prefer sage if you are going to do nothing but ultis, but demon for the channeling spark bonus, plus a far more effective stone barrier for phys def and self healing DB, both of which will help heavily in AOE instances like RB, frost, lunar, etc.. Dunno why any class talks about sage chi skill as a perk anymore unless it's a class that gives itself sparks like a veno, sin, or celestial archer -- there's always cloud erupt.

    Oh right, that's where..
    Adroit - Lost City wrote: »
    TBH, someone that can't find a single use for the sage chi skill is too stupid to have a logical argument with. Saved some time by not writing a long drawn out post and just settled with a simple n00b comment so that you could understand it.
    A single use? No. A more practical use, to keep doing damage AND gain chi, using skills you have that both do damage and have a chance of gaining chi, opposed to wasting time channeling a chi skill once every minute.. yeah, if using a chi skill every 60 seconds (I know what it does, I have a sage veno and my cleric was sage before switching to demon) was that awesome when, with at least 50 points into magic, you'd gain back enough energy in that minute to use another cloud erupt? Wow, that chi skill sure is awesome! I'm not a fan of sage or demon (if I built my wiz around TW and PVP I'd probably have gone sage for the ultis too, and surely would have enjoyed the benefits of FOW in TW, and GS, in pretty much everything else) and I don't think either one is inherently better, but evidently I've run into fanboys of a cultivation, which is utterly not surprising, because there sure is no logical retorts here to suggest the post I gave was illogical. Maybe someone with a bit of logic can help you two out.
  • Prohibited - Heavens Tear
    Prohibited - Heavens Tear Posts: 98 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Sage chi skill is useful when you've just died and need chi to buff yourself. Or when you want to shake your booty.

    other than that, meh.
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  • Adroit - Lost City
    Adroit - Lost City Posts: 4,628 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Wow, that sounds awful familiar.. where have I heard this..



    Oh right, that's where..


    A single use? No. A more practical use, to keep doing damage AND gain chi, using skills you have that both do damage and have a chance of gaining chi, opposed to wasting time channeling a chi skill once every minute.. yeah, if using a chi skill every 60 seconds (I know what it does, I have a sage veno and my cleric was sage before switching to demon) was that awesome when, with at least 50 points into magic, you'd gain back enough energy in that minute to use another cloud erupt? Wow, that chi skill sure is awesome! I'm not a fan of sage or demon (if I built my wiz around TW and PVP I'd probably have gone sage for the ultis too, and surely would have enjoyed the benefits of FOW in TW, and GS, in pretty much everything else) and I don't think either one is inherently better, but evidently I've run into fanboys of a cultivation, which is utterly not surprising, because there sure is no logical retorts here to suggest the post I gave was illogical. Maybe someone with a bit of logic can help you two out.

    so you cant find 1-2 secs of downtime once a minute..? How about after blinking away when you are giving your charm a chance to cooldown, or perhaps after someone else kites from you (both happen ALL the time in pvp). Only an idiot would stand there using a chi skill when you could be atking, but there is alot of time in just about w/e you do where your target is out of range.. Not to mention you can use chi skill right after you die to get your barrier up and get back into the fight much faster than casting frostblade over and over or waiting for more energy on your genie. Although cloud and sage chi skill both give about the same chi/min, chi skill doesnt hoard ALL your genie energy. Yes cloud is a good skill, mainly for demons, but chi skill easily replaces it and allows you to use your your genie for more than just chi.

    So yes, chi skill is still an AMAZING perk for sage. I cant believe you think you should be offering advice about anything.. this is one of those basics that you'd expect anyone playing more than a couple months would understand.
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  • SilvaGunZ - Harshlands
    SilvaGunZ - Harshlands Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Arma_Geddon - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    A counter argument to what? A lowbie barb advising on wizard cultivation? Being rich or poor as a requisit for choosing demon/sage culti? You're a moron.

    Jeez, lowbie barb huh. Well this barb knows how to play your wiz better then you do. -Channel gear costs alot more then crit and -channel is the way to go for demon wiz at endgame. What I stated wasnt a fact it was a suggestion. You obviously have no idea what your talking about, so have fun battling mobs on your pve server.

    Any1 that has played on a private server knows the destructive power of high -channel and how expensive and time consuming it would be to get it on a pwi server.
  • Adroit - Lost City
    Adroit - Lost City Posts: 4,628 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    SilvaGunZ - Harshlands wrote: »
    Jeez, lowbie barb huh. Well this barb knows how to play your wiz better then you do. -Channel gear costs alot more then crit and -channel is the way to go for demon wiz at endgame. What I stated wasnt a fact it was a suggestion. You obviously have no idea what your talking about, so have fun battling mobs on your pve server.

    Any1 that has played on a private server knows the destructive power of high -channel and how expensive and time consuming it would be to get it on a pwi server.

    as much as I agree that it only makes sense for people to go demon if they focus on channeling, it doesnt matter what you say b/c ur posting from an alt.. posting from alts is so 2009.
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  • Prohibited - Heavens Tear
    Prohibited - Heavens Tear Posts: 98 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    in open PvP, at least from what ive seen, the chi skill isnt really that amazing.
    when u respawn its great to buff, when ure running around its great for the boost, when u are out of range or w/e as u said its good just to have that extra 50 but if ure in an open 1v1 with say a bm or barb that will always been on ur *** most of the time u cant afford to waste a seal/sleep for the 50 chi - u would be better off using an actual skill as said before
    so yea, the chi skill does have its perks but its not like its the end all of why u should go demon/sage etc. i really dont find it as useful as u do, but only sage char i have is barb (97). thx to beastial rage im never out of chi b:victory

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  • Noc - Harshlands
    Noc - Harshlands Posts: 192 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Adroit - Lost City wrote: »
    as much as I agree that it only makes sense for people to go demon if they focus on channeling, it doesnt matter what you say b/c ur posting from an alt.. posting from alts is so 2009.

    I thought it was pretty obvious who I was, considering I called myself a barb and replied to a post that was aimed towards my barb and presented the same argument that I was expressing on my barb.

    On a side note it feels good to know that some mages on here aren't complete noobies. b:victory
  • Adroit - Lost City
    Adroit - Lost City Posts: 4,628 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    a majority of pvp takes place in the air, so you can drop as part of your kiting, and you wont need to use seal/sleep to use the chi skill :P
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  • JanusZeal - Heavens Tear
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,852 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Adroit - Lost City wrote: »
    so you cant find 1-2 secs of downtime once a minute..? How about after blinking away when you are giving your charm a chance to cooldown, or perhaps after someone else kites from you (both happen ALL the time in pvp). Only an idiot would stand there using a chi skill when you could be atking, but there is alot of time in just about w/e you do where your target is out of range.. Not to mention you can use chi skill right after you die to get your barrier up and get back into the fight much faster than casting frostblade over and over or waiting for more energy on your genie. Although cloud and sage chi skill both give about the same chi/min, chi skill doesnt hoard ALL your genie energy. Yes cloud is a good skill, mainly for demons, but chi skill easily replaces it and allows you to use your your genie for more than just chi.

    So yes, chi skill is still an AMAZING perk for sage. I cant believe you think you should be offering advice about anything.. this is one of those basics that you'd expect anyone playing more than a couple months would understand.
    Translation: I want to exaggerate how awesome sage chi skill is so I feel better about being a fanboy of my wizard's cultivation. Indeed it's useful right after you die to get your barrier up, if that's all you're going to buff yourself with. Especially demon stone barrier, which I'm told is in fact not very useful at all. On the other hand, a few quick frostblades (which is a couple seconds more -- and I'm sure given the amount of time being sealed you should be standing out there being an unbuffed pylon) could also get you stone barrier, wow, that's amazing! I've used a wizard in TW too so I know how to play one. Thanks though for mentioning it.

    And no, you couldn't be more incorrect about the same chi per minute, especially when cloud erupt gives 1.25 - 1.5 sparks per charge, and a person with 50 or more magic on their genie (which should be the case), that means 60-80 seconds gaining 2 to 3 times more chi than the fabulous sage chi skill. Wow, amazing. I think your post needs a few more "idiot" comments to make up for an absolutely crappy argument and pretty hilarious hyperbole about a chi skill that isn't even that great.
  • Adroit - Lost City
    Adroit - Lost City Posts: 4,628 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Translation: I want to exaggerate how awesome sage chi skill is so I feel better about being a fanboy of my wizard's cultivation. Indeed it's useful right after you die to get your barrier up, if that's all you're going to buff yourself with. Especially demon stone barrier, which I'm told is in fact not very useful at all. On the other hand, a few quick frostblades (which is a couple seconds more -- and I'm sure given the amount of time being sealed you should be standing out there being an unbuffed pylon) could also get you stone barrier, wow, that's amazing! I've used a wizard in TW too so I know how to play one. Thanks though for mentioning it.

    And no, you couldn't be more incorrect about the same chi per minute, especially when cloud erupt gives 1.25 - 1.5 sparks per charge, and a person with 50 or more magic on their genie (which should be the case), that means 60-80 seconds gaining 2 to 3 times more chi than the fabulous sage chi skill. Wow, amazing. I think your post needs a few more "idiot" comments to make up for an absolutely crappy argument and pretty hilarious hyperbole about a chi skill that isn't even that great.

    You ridiculously over exaggerate the effectiveness of demon stone barrier over sage.. its 150% vs 120%.. which is more reduction.. not OMGWTFIMCREAMINGMYPANTSAWESOME.

    Y the ** would you be out in the middle of a TW w/o buffs? Have you ever even gone to a TW? Any real faction has base buffers that try to buff you b4 you run out there. I'm not going to expect you to understand the next sentence I wrote.. but I figure i'll try anyway. GENIES ARE USEFUL FOR MORE THAN JUST CHI. We are talking about the sage chi skill/cloud eruption from a practical standpoint.. and apparently you have never heard of spark, extreme poison, frenzy, domain, expel, fortify, badge of courage, faith, occult ice, wind force, wind shield, or any of the other dozens of useful genie skills. You can see them for the first time here before you post again. Now plz continue explaining to me how cloud eruption gives you more chi than sage chi skill, and how you won't be able to use anything else on your genie because you need to rely on your genie for all your chi.

    inb4yousay "I onlyz usezzz cloud sometimezzz so I can usezzz other geniezzz skillzzz". Oh ****, so you can spam chi skill but not cloud eruption..?!?! b:puzzled I'd never have guessed.
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  • JanusZeal - Heavens Tear
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,852 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Adroit - Lost City wrote: »
    You ridiculously over exaggerate the effectiveness of demon stone barrier over sage.. its 150% vs 120%.. which is more reduction.. not OMGWTFIMCREAMINGMYPANTSAWESOME.
    Epic. Though, only you have used "awesome" in any sort of serious context to describe something -- if I've stated it, it's entirely to mock you, if you can comprehend what that means. I've stated that it's better. Nice try though sinking me to your level of exaggerations. b:laugh
    Y the ** would you be out in the middle of a TW w/o buffs? Have you ever even gone to a TW? Any real faction has base buffers that try to buff you b4 you run out there.
    o rly? So it looks like that I-Must-Have-50-Chi-Now-For-Stone-Barrier **** just got thrown out the window didn't it. Not only did you just tell me something everyone who does TW know (thanks captain obvious), but in that span of waiting for buffs and soon as seal goes away (I never did TW so I didn't know this either), it's certainly not out of the way to throw a few frostblades to give yourself a buff that only requires 30 chi.
    I'm not going to expect you to understand the next sentence I wrote.. but I figure i'll try anyway. GENIES ARE USEFUL FOR MORE THAN JUST CHI. We are talking about the sage chi skill/cloud eruption from a practical standpoint.. and apparently you have never heard of spark, extreme poison, frenzy, domain, expel, fortify, badge of courage, faith, occult ice, wind force, wind shield, or any of the other dozens of useful genie skills. You can see them for the first time here before you post again.
    Funny, my wiz genie had most of those skills, though split down the middle for PVE vs TW. But rly? Genies are useful for more than just chi? Damn, you're so pro.
    Now plz continue explaining to me how cloud eruption gives you more chi than sage chi skill, and how you won't be able to use anything else on your genie because you need to rely on your genie for all your chi.
    Okay I'll try to explain to you as long as you promise to have something greater than 3rd grade reading comprehension. Deal? Your oh so awesome chi skill gives you a whopping 50 chi. Last I checked, you need more than 50 ****ing chi (actually, 20 once you use barrier) to do any epic sage ultis, so what do you do to build chi.. oh right, spam your chi skill! No wait, that's 60 seconds cooldown. Oh wait, maybe you actually use attacks to build chi! Wow, isn't that a novel concept, wish I had thought of that one. But it gets even better. Cloud eruption gives you 100 to 150 chi each time, depending on the level of cloud and your genie's strength (though more the level of cloud, and most find it not necessary to level that high). If you have more than 50 magic in a genie and use a single cloud erupt (giving enough time to fly to a target and regenerate genie energy, another novel concept for expert TW wizard) that means you just gave enough chi to last 2 or 3 epically awesome and OP chi skills which means 2-3 minutes, which is, by the same time, more than enough time to fill your entire chi bar using cloud. You have to be incredibly stupid and need to go back to the very beginning of elementary math to not grasp that 100-150 chi > 50 chi. Nonetheless, we're talking about you.
    inb4yousay "I onlyz usezzz cloud sometimezzz so I can usezzz other geniezzz skillzzz". Oh ****, so you can spam chi skill but not cloud eruption..?!?! b:puzzled I'd never have guessed.
    Inb4yousay "ZOMG 50 CHI > 100-150" once more. b:chuckle
  • Mumintroll - Heavens Tear
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Janus you are wrong. Is not just about this 50 chi skill. The is also another huge amount chi from pyro. But most important is maintenance chi for sage. So when you have chi your chi last much longer then demon chi. Thanks to ultimates, distant shrink. It;s huge difference if after using ultimates in TW(VERY important), you still have at least 1 spark, because launching ultimates cost you just 1 spar with high probability. So if you use your super genie skill+50chi from sage spell, you have again 3 spark so with little luck you can launch 2 another ultimates. (if you don't use genie for something else of course).
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • MrHanky - Harshlands
    MrHanky - Harshlands Posts: 477 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    last time i checked your genie don't have energy after you die so sit there and wait for that pro genie regen.
    b:bye
  • Arma_Geddon - Heavens Tear
    Arma_Geddon - Heavens Tear Posts: 163 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    SilvaGunZ - Harshlands wrote: »
    Jeez, lowbie barb huh. Well this barb knows how to play your wiz better then you do. -Channel gear costs alot more then crit and -channel is the way to go for demon wiz at endgame. What I stated wasnt a fact it was a suggestion. You obviously have no idea what your talking about, so have fun battling mobs on your pve server.

    Any1 that has played on a private server knows the destructive power of high -channel and how expensive and time consuming it would be to get it on a pwi server.

    We're not playing on a private server here you block, these forums are generally run about by people playing PWI. Your "suggestions" based on private server criterion is nonsense; I don't go around like "HEY I WOULNDT PERSONALLY GO SAGE UNLESS I GOT RANK IX WEAPON AND GEAR" and do you know how much coin it would take to get your 70% channel on a PWI server? I don't know or have ever heard of anyone on PWI with that kind of channel. Nobody goes demon thinking to themselves "I'm in it for the 70% channel" "which I'll never get" Sure demon is more suited to higher channel, but it's utterly ridiculous to think that 99% of demon mages will get anywhere near that. I think it's **** how you incorporated being rich or poor as picking one culti over the other. It's a lot more about playstyle.
    The doctor will see you now.
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