Sage or Demon?

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  • Loltank - Harshlands
    Loltank - Harshlands Posts: 747 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    CE has no bearing in a sage vs demon argument. None at all. CE is great for filling chi up prior to a fight, once you get there you need to save your genie for absolute domain. Period.

    Sage chi skills are a good way to gain chi in a fight. Period.

    As for sage vs demon, they're both viable. I've had tremendous success with triple spark + glacial snare and sandstorming away. I'm finding it's easier to get a triple spark off in TW than previously thought, especially if I have absolute domain support. 8k+ non crits on catapullers don't really lie.

    Basically, it boils down to this: Sage is for crowd control. Demon is for single target DPS.

    One of these paths only really comes into effect at 99(Sage BIDS), demon's DPS change is noticeable at 89 and up(demon spark).

    Either is a viable choice, neither is really "better." It just depends on the role you wanna fulfill.


    EDIT: 50 magic makes it so that I have full chi from CE and also enough energy for AD by the time I get to the enemy base.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • MrHanky - Harshlands
    MrHanky - Harshlands Posts: 477 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    thats when you 1st go in
    your genie has no energy after you die.
    and when you go to a real tw you will die as a wiz
    b:bye
  • Noc - Harshlands
    Noc - Harshlands Posts: 192 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Arma_Geddon - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    We're not playing on a private server here you block, these forums are generally run about by people playing PWI. Your "suggestions" based on private server criterion is nonsense; I don't go around like "HEY I WOULNDT PERSONALLY GO SAGE UNLESS I GOT RANK IX WEAPON AND GEAR" and do you know how much coin it would take to get your 70% channel on a PWI server? I don't know or have ever heard of anyone on PWI with that kind of channel. Nobody goes demon thinking to themselves "I'm in it for the 70% channel" "which I'll never get" Sure demon is more suited to higher channel, but it's utterly ridiculous to think that 99% of demon mages will get anywhere near that. I think it's **** how you incorporated being rich or poor as picking one culti over the other. It's a lot more about playstyle.

    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=c7b2a97c0f693d27

    Rank 8 isn't to hard to get nowadays. This is 67% without even having 2 -6 procs on any of the ornaments. If you could find 1 or 2 ornaments with 2 -6 channels you would only need to get to rank 6 which is even cheaper or have rank 8 and have over 70%. This is easily obtainable within the game right now but will cost you some money.

    Here's a 69% build with no rank gear and 1 physical defense orn. This build will take luck and some time to make the the ornaments but is completely plausible to and much cheaper. Of course you could take the physical orn out and add a -6 one and have over 70%.

    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=f49e127c4bc9f00b


    When I was referring to the private server I was talking about -100% channel without spark which is just downright scary and would be near impossible to get in pwi. Of course you could achieve 100% sparked in pwi with a little dedication.

    You can try to deny that money doesn't play a part if you want, but the fact is if you want your demon wiz to perform at its best you want a lot of -channel, which is gonna cost more then crit for a sage, but with either money or some time and dedication obtainable. I thought this was common knowledge, but I guess you find idiot's in all walks of life.
  • Arma_Geddon - Heavens Tear
    Arma_Geddon - Heavens Tear Posts: 163 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    On the first build, you have a potential of 58% channel, which is a far cry from 70, also you say it's easily obtainable? Not to 99.9% of wizards in game right now, not without half a billion coin, seriously wtf? And why would you use the beamhoof slicer if you could get rank8 sword? Honestly, that build is pathetic. On top of that, the savant stones only give -3% each. I'm not going to even comment on the bottom build, it's just too ****ing pathetic and you have absolutely no valid point to try and continue to make... Channeling gear is expensive. I never argued that. Also most demon wizards I know don't use channel ornaments because uh... PDEF?
    The doctor will see you now.
  • Arma_Geddon - Heavens Tear
    Arma_Geddon - Heavens Tear Posts: 163 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Oh and lol @ getting one shot by lowbie 8x barbs with that kind of **** pdef.
    The doctor will see you now.
  • MrHanky - Harshlands
    MrHanky - Harshlands Posts: 477 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    <1k pdef=P R O ! !
    b:bye
  • Loltank - Harshlands
    Loltank - Harshlands Posts: 747 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    MrHanky - Harshlands wrote: »
    thats when you 1st go in
    your genie has no energy after you die.
    and when you go to a real tw you will die as a wiz

    No, that's after I die in TW. Trust me, I died plenty of times fighting Kylin this week.

    By the time the seal wears off and you've been buffed and left the base, you'll have at least 1.5 sparks from CE alone.(130 energy) Then, unless the fight is in your base, you'll have another 1.5 by the time you fly halfway down the lane.

    This is with 50 magic, though, so the recharge rate is doubled.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • MrHanky - Harshlands
    MrHanky - Harshlands Posts: 477 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    CE lvl1=130 energy
    50mag =2points per second
    so u wait 65 seconds to be buffed ?
    once seal is off i leave if im not buffed by then
    im usually flying before my seal wears off
    b:bye
  • Adroit - Lost City
    Adroit - Lost City Posts: 4,628 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Epic. Though, only you have used "awesome" in any sort of serious context to describe something -- if I've stated it, it's entirely to mock you, if you can comprehend what that means. I've stated that it's better. Nice try though sinking me to your level of exaggerations. b:laugh

    You've been fapping to demon stone barrier since post one brah. Go read yourself drool over a slight pdef increase.

    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    o rly? So it looks like that I-Must-Have-50-Chi-Now-For-Stone-Barrier **** just got thrown out the window didn't it. Not only did you just tell me something everyone who does TW know (thanks captain obvious), but in that span of waiting for buffs and soon as seal goes away (I never did TW so I didn't know this either), it's certainly not out of the way to throw a few frostblades to give yourself a buff that only requires 30 chi.

    I thought I'd already shown you how chi skill is amazing for just after you died. I see I'm dealing with someone with the memory span of a goldfish. Alright, I'll say it again. When you die, using chi skill saves time, because it is faster than spamming a skill over and over for chi.. and your genie has no energy. Figured you needed to know what real TW is like, because you describe yourself as, "standing out there being an unbuffed pylon".. which honestly wouldn't surprise me seeing as you have no clue about this game. Doesn't matter how you look at it, casting chi skill and heading out , or casting chi skill and then spamming frostblade a few times, you still have more chi than without chi skill. Wow that was such an incredibly difficult concept to grasp, I hope you can catch half of it.

    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Funny, my wiz genie had most of those skills, though split down the middle for PVE vs TW. But rly? Genies are useful for more than just chi? Damn, you're so pro.

    Okay I'll try to explain to you as long as you promise to have something greater than 3rd grade reading comprehension. Deal? Your oh so awesome chi skill gives you a whopping 50 chi. Last I checked, you need more than 50 ****ing chi (actually, 20 once you use barrier) to do any epic sage ultis, so what do you do to build chi.. oh right, spam your chi skill! No wait, that's 60 seconds cooldown. Oh wait, maybe you actually use attacks to build chi! Wow, isn't that a novel concept, wish I had thought of that one. But it gets even better. Cloud eruption gives you 100 to 150 chi each time, depending on the level of cloud and your genie's strength (though more the level of cloud, and most find it not necessary to level that high). If you have more than 50 magic in a genie and use a single cloud erupt (giving enough time to fly to a target and regenerate genie energy, another novel concept for expert TW wizard) that means you just gave enough chi to last 2 or 3 epically awesome and OP chi skills which means 2-3 minutes, which is, by the same time, more than enough time to fill your entire chi bar using cloud. You have to be incredibly stupid and need to go back to the very beginning of elementary math to not grasp that 100-150 chi > 50 chi. Nonetheless, we're talking about you.


    Inb4yousay "ZOMG 50 CHI > 100-150" once more. b:chuckle

    So we've gone back to the only skill you use is cloud eruption. You can go ahead and fail at this game, but we aren't talking about you. Chi skill is > cloud because chi skill doesn't use genie energy. I'm glad you conveniently forgot to mention that, because it just shows how desperate you're getting. You don't even quote/respond to the bolded text/main point of my post, which shows that you have no response. This would be a great time for you to stop posting, there isn't anything you can say. Even you (I know this is a stretch) must realize by now that the chi skill is a perk for sage.. which was the original point to all of this.

    Just because I'm feeling awfully nice, I guess I can explain to you how to calculate the chi you are getting from cloud/chi skill per minute. Pay attention, I don't wanna lose you after the first sentence. Lets start right after you log in.
    Chi skill is used every minute. After the first minute is passed, you have used chi skill twice (this is the hard part, you can actually use the chi skill right after you spawn, and then a minute later :O omgright?)
    Cloud eruption will likely be used between 1-2 mins, depending on lvl and mag on genie. It will then not be used for most pvp because you save your genie energy for other more important genie skills (maybe used an extra time if you are really daring).

    So wait a minute, lets review.
    chi skill actually gets you to one spark before cloud? yes
    chi skill can be spammed with no negative consequences? yes
    cloud requires a crapton of genie energy? yes
    overall chi/min goes to chi skill because it ends up being used more? yes
    chi skill is a perk for sage? yes

    inb4JanusZeal NEEEEERD RRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
    Youtube Channel: youtube.com/user/D2VeT/videos?flow=grid&view=0
    Current gear: pwcalc.com/6ab2893fbfb080a8
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  • Arma_Geddon - Heavens Tear
    Arma_Geddon - Heavens Tear Posts: 163 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Oh oh!! Elemental shell also gives 45chi in one minute! Right? b:cute
    The doctor will see you now.
  • Adroit - Lost City
    Adroit - Lost City Posts: 4,628 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Arma_Geddon - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Oh oh!! Elemental shell also gives 45chi in one minute! Right? b:cute

    in the first min after you log in/after you die ya b:shocked
    Youtube Channel: youtube.com/user/D2VeT/videos?flow=grid&view=0
    Current gear: pwcalc.com/6ab2893fbfb080a8
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  • Sun_Burn - Lost City
    Sun_Burn - Lost City Posts: 579 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Arma_Geddon - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Oh oh!! Elemental shell also gives 45chi in one minute! Right? b:cute

    its 30 chi a minute, each cast gives 15 chi b:surrender


    edit: nvm <_< cast at 1 second, cast at 30, cast at 60 = 45 chi

    dont mind me...
  • Loltank - Harshlands
    Loltank - Harshlands Posts: 747 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    MrHanky - Harshlands wrote: »
    CE lvl1=130 energy
    50mag =2points per second
    so u wait 65 seconds to be buffed ?
    once seal is off i leave if im not buffed by then
    im usually flying before my seal wears off

    It depends on the base buffer. In my experience, my seal is off around the same time I get buffed. By the time I've cast Stone Barrier and gotten out of the base, CE is ready to cast.

    EDIT: I blame my slow-*** flyer. :(
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Sun_Burn - Lost City
    Sun_Burn - Lost City Posts: 579 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    unno how harshlands TW is nowadays.. But on LC there is no such thing as TW anymore really.b:surrender
  • Noc - Harshlands
    Noc - Harshlands Posts: 192 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Arma_Geddon - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    On the first build, you have a potential of 58% channel, which is a far cry from 70, also you say it's easily obtainable? Not to 99.9% of wizards in game right now, not without half a billion coin, seriously wtf? And why would you use the beamhoof slicer if you could get rank8 sword? Honestly, that build is pathetic. On top of that, the savant stones only give -3% each. I'm not going to even comment on the bottom build, it's just too ****ing pathetic and you have absolutely no valid point to try and continue to make... Channeling gear is expensive. I never argued that. Also most demon wizards I know don't use channel ornaments because uh... PDEF?

    God you really are an idiot. See the little button that says statistics? Push that and it shows how much channel those builds have, 58% lmao.

    Second of all you said it was nearly impossible to get 70% on a pwi server, those were just examples of obtainable items to prove you wrong. In regards to using the rank 8 over the beamhoof, did you not notice the 0 channel on the rank 8 and the -10 on the beamhoof? Lol and of course the defense is gonna be low I just put the gear in the slots without sticking shards in or refining.

    You hyper baby's really are cute. If you would like to know how I would really build a demon wiz here you go.

    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=3fe3f7bf0813b8b8

    If you had the money you could make this build np on a pwi server.
    71% channel
    7143 hp
    19 defence lvls
    10088 physical defense with demon barrier
    3 attack lvls
    10967 base mag defense

    Here is the ultimate build for a demon wiz. Most of the gear is obtainable, but basically impossible to get right now. I don't think the cape or tome have been released in pwi yet.

    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=d27791df825c8182
  • MrHanky - Harshlands
    MrHanky - Harshlands Posts: 477 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    same here it looks like maybe a month maybe 2 b4 it picks up
    b:bye
  • MrHanky - Harshlands
    MrHanky - Harshlands Posts: 477 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Noc - Harshlands wrote: »
    God you really are an idiot. See the little button that says statistics? Push that and it shows how much channel those builds have, 58% lmao.

    Second of all you said it was nearly impossible to get 70% on a pwi server, those were just examples of obtainable items to prove you wrong. In regards to using the rank 8 over the beamhoof, did you not notice the 0 channel on the rank 8 and the -10 on the beamhoof? Lol and of course the defense is gonna be low I just put the gear in the slots without sticking shards in or refining.

    You hyper baby's really are cute. If you would like to know how I would really build a demon wiz here you go.

    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=3fe3f7bf0813b8b8

    If you had the money you could make this build np on a pwi server.
    71% channel
    7143 hp
    19 defence lvls
    10088 physical defense with demon barrier
    3 attack lvls
    10967 base mag defense

    Here is the ultimate build for a demon wiz. Most of the gear is obtainable, but basically impossible to get right now. I don't think the cape or tome have been released in pwi yet.

    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=d27791df825c8182


    nice necklace are cereal?
    lol

    i mean the cube 1
    b:bye
  • Arma_Geddon - Heavens Tear
    Arma_Geddon - Heavens Tear Posts: 163 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Noc - Harshlands wrote: »
    God you really are an idiot. See the little button that says statistics? Push that and it shows how much channel those builds have, 58% lmao.

    Second of all you said it was nearly impossible to get 70% on a pwi server, those were just examples of obtainable items to prove you wrong. In regards to using the rank 8 over the beamhoof, did you not notice the 0 channel on the rank 8 and the -10 on the beamhoof? Lol and of course the defense is gonna be low I just put the gear in the slots without sticking shards in or refining.

    You hyper baby's really are cute. If you would like to know how I would really build a demon wiz here you go.

    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=3fe3f7bf0813b8b8

    If you had the money you could make this build np on a pwi server.
    71% channel
    7143 hp
    19 defence lvls
    10088 physical defense with demon barrier
    3 attack lvls
    10967 base mag defense

    Here is the ultimate build for a demon wiz. Most of the gear is obtainable, but basically impossible to get right now. I don't think the cape or tome have been released in pwi yet.

    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=d27791df825c8182


    Alright DUDE, on the build you so intelligently displayed on the previous page, the terrible build with 67% channel... You can't get 67% with that build, it says 67% in the "statistics" but that's false, and I'll tell you why... I've already tried to reason with you that you can't get -6% channel with each savant stone, so that takes off -6 channel right there, also the tt99boots ONLY give the -3channel when you have another piece of the armor, so therefore in that build, it's negated. So if 6 + 3 = 9, then from a total of 67% channel, minus the 9 is what? 58 like I said. Please Noc, don't you have some leveling to do?
    67% lmaob:chuckle

    EDIT: Oh and here it is, so you don't need to look back at that awful thing. http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=c7b2a97c0f693d27
    The doctor will see you now.
  • Sun_Burn - Lost City
    Sun_Burn - Lost City Posts: 579 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    gotta love people who believe ecatomb/pwcalc descriptions word for word without question.

    also, lol @ him +10ing magic rings. because we absolutely need more magic def.

    amirite?
  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Wow, that sounds awful familiar.. where have I heard this..



    Oh right, that's where..


    A single use? No. A more practical use, to keep doing damage AND gain chi, using skills you have that both do damage and have a chance of gaining chi, opposed to wasting time channeling a chi skill once every minute.. yeah, if using a chi skill every 60 seconds (I know what it does, I have a sage veno and my cleric was sage before switching to demon) was that awesome when, with at least 50 points into magic, you'd gain back enough energy in that minute to use another cloud erupt? Wow, that chi skill sure is awesome! I'm not a fan of sage or demon (if I built my wiz around TW and PVP I'd probably have gone sage for the ultis too, and surely would have enjoyed the benefits of FOW in TW, and GS, in pretty much everything else) and I don't think either one is inherently better, but evidently I've run into fanboys of a cultivation, which is utterly not surprising, because there sure is no logical retorts here to suggest the post I gave was illogical. Maybe someone with a bit of logic can help you two out.
    sage fanboy what?
    you asked for good sage skills, gave them to you. Its pretty much the 99 skills
    besides the 99 ones, maybe distance shrink, dragons breath, will of the phoenix. But ya other than that not really.
    Once TW dies out on my server im going demon with tons of channeling
    Arma_Geddon - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Alright DUDE, on the build you so intelligently displayed on the previous page, the terrible build with 67% channel... You can't get 67% with that build, it says 67% in the "statistics" but that's false, and I'll tell you why... I've already tried to reason with you that you can't get -6% channel with each savant stone, so that takes off -6 channel right there, also the tt99boots ONLY give the -3channel when you have another piece of the armor, so therefore in that build, it's negated. So if 6 + 3 = 9, then from a total of 67% channel, minus the 9 is what? 58 like I said. Please Noc, don't you have some leveling to do?
    67% lmaob:chuckle

    EDIT: Oh and here it is, so you don't need to look back at that awful thing. http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=c7b2a97c0f693d27

    first
    he has tt99 sleeves and boots
    pwcalc says -6%, but if you remove one stone of savant it goes down to 64%
    Noc is legit
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • JanusZeal - Heavens Tear
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,852 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Adroit - Lost City wrote: »
    You've been fapping to demon stone barrier since post one brah. Go read yourself drool over a slight pdef increase.
    Oh I certainly bow to your exceptional fapping to 50 chi when it isn't even the most practical way to gain chi, except for giving yourself stone barrier from the start, but the embellishment you created over it when you can just cast a few frostblades which takes a mere couple seconds longer.. shows utter failure akin to most players who don't know much, yet don't pretend they do like you.
    I thought I'd already shown you how chi skill is amazing for just after you died. I see I'm dealing with someone with the memory span of a goldfish. Alright, I'll say it again. When you die, using chi skill saves time, because it is faster than spamming a skill over and over for chi.. and your genie has no energy. Figured you needed to know what real TW is like, because you describe yourself as, "standing out there being an unbuffed pylon".. which honestly wouldn't surprise me seeing as you have no clue about this game. Doesn't matter how you look at it, casting chi skill and heading out , or casting chi skill and then spamming frostblade a few times, you still have more chi than without chi skill. Wow that was such an incredibly difficult concept to grasp, I hope you can catch half of it.

    So we've gone back to the only skill you use is cloud eruption. You can go ahead and fail at this game, but we aren't talking about you. Chi skill is > cloud because chi skill doesn't use genie energy. I'm glad you conveniently forgot to mention that, because it just shows how desperate you're getting. You don't even quote/respond to the bolded text/main point of my post, which shows that you have no response. This would be a great time for you to stop posting, there isn't anything you can say. Even you (I know this is a stretch) must realize by now that the chi skill is a perk for sage.. which was the original point to all of this.
    No, I referred to you as an unbuffed pylon. I'm sure a goldfish has better reading comprehension than you.

    And congrats, you know I recognize it's a "perk". How many times does one need to recognize it for you to comprehend -- oh right, the goldfish thing..

    A perk is a benefit, but not awesomely awesome to the embellished extent you keep hilariously asserting. I guess because I don't **** to a chi skill like you do it means, well, whatever elementary school ad hominem you borishly wish to make up.
    Just because I'm feeling awfully nice, I guess I can explain to you how to calculate the chi you are getting from cloud/chi skill per minute. Pay attention, I don't wanna lose you after the first sentence. Lets start right after you log in.
    Chi skill is used every minute. After the first minute is passed, you have used chi skill twice (this is the hard part, you can actually use the chi skill right after you spawn, and then a minute later :O omgright?)
    Cloud eruption will likely be used between 1-2 mins, depending on lvl and mag on genie. It will then not be used for most pvp because you save your genie energy for other more important genie skills (maybe used an extra time if you are really daring).

    So wait a minute, lets review.
    chi skill actually gets you to one spark before cloud? yes
    chi skill can be spammed with no negative consequences? yes
    cloud requires a crapton of genie energy? yes
    overall chi/min goes to chi skill because it ends up being used more? yes
    chi skill is a perk for sage? yes

    inb4JanusZeal NEEEEERD RRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
    So liek zomg u dunt use genie energy for chi skill it r so amazign! Even tho liek in order to use it more than once per minuet u gotta die a lot it's so awsum!1 Oh and even after the frist minuet if you haev cloud more than level 1 by teh tiem you get to use your 2nd chi skill cluod has already given you more chi than teh epic (!!!) chi skill. Oh and only a nub use chi skill in PVP cuz we r liek talking about every instnace of PVP and not TW nao, oh and only a nub nao uses cloud if they gotta DD Snakefist cuz chi skill duz so awsum. Oh, sorry, I didn't realize my nerdrage was supposed to mimic yours. Did I interrupt the chi skill fapping again?

    Overall chi/min goes to cloud, not chi skill, oh brilliant one, unless you leave your magic at 5, in which case, congrats, you are even more brilliant, well, in the zomgAdroitlubschiskill fashion. Chi skill does not get you there faster if you have 50 or more points into magic on genie. My wiz has 95. So looks like my wiz beats the living **** out of yours in gaining chi. And hilariously to gain chi, more than cloud, I do ticky tack gush pyro snare combos until I have the chi to do ultis -- hey, that's the reason you went sage right? It must be great with that dying before the 60 second cooldown is up so you can use it again. So pro -- not. You're one of the biggest fail wizards I've seen. Ever. b:chuckle
  • Arma_Geddon - Heavens Tear
    Arma_Geddon - Heavens Tear Posts: 163 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    sage fanboy what?
    you asked for good sage skills, gave them to you. Its pretty much the 99 skills
    besides the 99 ones, maybe distance shrink, dragons breath, will of the phoenix. But ya other than that not really.
    Once TW dies out on my server im going demon with tons of channeling


    first
    he has tt99 sleeves and boots
    pwcalc says -6%, but if you remove one stone of savant it goes down to 64%
    Noc is legit

    Oh right, I am WRONG about the -3% from the sleevesb:surrender, don't see how I overlooked that.
    So how does it go from -67 to -64 if you take off -6?

    :EDIT oh nvm. :) didn't notice the typo on calc
    The doctor will see you now.
  • Noc - Harshlands
    Noc - Harshlands Posts: 192 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Arma_Geddon - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Alright DUDE, on the build you so intelligently displayed on the previous page, the terrible build with 67% channel... You can't get 67% with that build, it says 67% in the "statistics" but that's false, and I'll tell you why... I've already tried to reason with you that you can't get -6% channel with each savant stone, so that takes off -6 channel right there, also the tt99boots ONLY give the -3channel when you have another piece of the armor, so therefore in that build, it's negated. So if 6 + 3 = 9, then from a total of 67% channel, minus the 9 is what? 58 like I said. Please Noc, don't you have some leveling to do?
    67% lmaob:chuckle

    EDIT: Oh and here it is, so you don't need to look back at that awful thing. http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=c7b2a97c0f693d27
    Sun_Burn - Lost City wrote: »
    gotta love people who believe ecatomb/pwcalc descriptions word for word without question.

    also, lol @ him +10ing magic rings. because we absolutely need more magic def.

    amirite?

    Its funny cause I don't believe it word for word, that why I know that the -6 on the savants are a typo and it actually does add up as -3.

    In regards to the +10 ring, Its endgame why not? Its a little more defense against other arcane users.
  • MrHanky - Harshlands
    MrHanky - Harshlands Posts: 477 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    it is slightly more chi
    but chi skill is F R E E
    genies dont feed themselves brah
    ever go to hit that button and it wont light up?
    yea he needs food
    b:bye
  • JanusZeal - Heavens Tear
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,852 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Janus you are wrong. Is not just about this 50 chi skill. The is also another huge amount chi from pyro. But most important is maintenance chi for sage. So when you have chi your chi last much longer then demon chi. Thanks to ultimates, distant shrink. It;s huge difference if after using ultimates in TW(VERY important), you still have at least 1 spark, because launching ultimates cost you just 1 spar with high probability. So if you use your super genie skill+50chi from sage spell, you have again 3 spark so with little luck you can launch 2 another ultimates. (if you don't use genie for something else of course).
    Wow, I'm wrong but I just asserted that sage pyro is highly useful at gaining chi. Good lord what's with people sucking at reading yet suggesting someone is wrong?

    It takes time just to friggen gain sparks to do ultis, and you can't rely on "chance". What I see here is yet another embellishment by another sage wizard, when my wiz was in nuke squads with other wizards, some of whom were sage, some of whom were even named Mumintroll, and I noticed no difference whatsoever, evidently you can go from death to sage chi skill for stone barrier to ultis. Wow. Maybe when people can stop trying to make something better than it really is, they can be taken seriously and not laughed at.

    To above poster, yes genies need time to charge but by the time you're fully buffed and throw a few fb's you've done the same thing minus what, 20 chi? Still gotta build sparks, and cloud will still get you there faster, minus a very lucky pyro gush snare or w/e combo you use to gain chi, unless maybe you're like Adroit who probably stands there waiting for his epic chi skill to cooldown until he gets enough sparks to lay down ultis. xD
  • Sun_Burn - Lost City
    Sun_Burn - Lost City Posts: 579 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Wow, I'm wrong but I just asserted that sage pyro is highly useful at gaining chi. Good lord what's with people sucking at reading yet suggesting someone is wrong?

    It takes time just to friggen gain sparks to do ultis, and you can't rely on "chance"    . What I see here is yet another embellishment by another sage wizard, when my wiz was in nuke squads with other wizards, some of whom were sage, some of whom were even named Mumintroll, and I noticed no difference whatsoever, evidently you can go from death to sage chi skill for stone barrier to ultis. Wow.

    you do know sage pyro is a "chance" to gain the chi benefit right? You just contradicted yourself, Id rather 100% sure know im getting 50 chi when I need it.
  • Noc - Harshlands
    Noc - Harshlands Posts: 192 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Arma_Geddon - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Oh right, I am WRONG about the -3% from the sleevesb:surrender, don't see how I overlooked that.
    So how does it go from -67 to -64 if you take off -6?

    :EDIT oh nvm. :) didn't notice the typo on calc

    I'm sorry, just had to rub this in. b:pleased
  • Arma_Geddon - Heavens Tear
    Arma_Geddon - Heavens Tear Posts: 163 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Noc - Harshlands wrote: »
    I'm sorry, just had to rub this in. b:pleased

    I can admit when I'm wrong. But that build still sucks.b:chuckle
    The doctor will see you now.
  • JanusZeal - Heavens Tear
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,852 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Sun_Burn - Lost City wrote: »
    you do know sage pyro is a "chance" to gain the chi benefit right? You just contradicted yourself, Id rather 100% sure know im getting 50 chi when I need it.
    Great, and how about them ultis? I guess that epic sage chi skill is gonna start knocking them down too before the epic sage wizard leaves the base.

    The chance is of using two sparks, it was iterated to me of doing 2 and 3 ultis either in a row or very quickly, which would actually need to be done with cloud and a lot of luck, on top of that sage chi skill. Sage pyro is very useful for gaining chi (for the umpteenth time now?) because it will give you chi always regardless of sage or demon, but the added chance of bonus chi makes it even more useful. Iterated numerous times now, so I suppose stating something for the 50th time so someone who jumps in the middle of the debate can read it (because they chose not to), is necessary. I would definitely prefer sage pyro to demon, and there is no contradiction because that retort wasn't even about sage pyro concerning sparks. It was about ultis.
  • Sun_Burn - Lost City
    Sun_Burn - Lost City Posts: 579 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    you could easily have 2 sparks by the time you get buffed and reach the gate.. Im not sure what your question/complaint about ultis are. Or whatever you were implying about "epic sage wizard knocking them down" made no sense.

    but i agree trying to use 2 ultis in a row is risky, depending on the situation/who is around u. (assuming its in TW)
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